posted October 18, 2007 04:00 PM              

"sO im seeing that the most strong aspect now is the venus-mars trine (not the indicative long lasting :P but instead a atraction factor )"
Yes, but Westran also sais that the Sun-Venus-conjunction and trine give warmth, affection and the wish to settle with each other, but it does not give fireworks. That`s the area of Venus-Mars. So, it`s not too bad, I think. Of course in the best of all worlds you would have both.

" liked the sun-DSC but unfortunatelly he didnt studied that"
No, but he also said, that now and then he comes across a relationship that seems to fall out of the theory. No theory is 100%.
Even though most couples have Sun-Venus, Venus-Venus or Venus-Mars-aspects, some don`t.

One example is the relationship between Linda Eastman and Paul McCartney.
They don`t have those Venus-aspects.
But her Sun was in close conjunction to his DSC! Westran writes of this aspect: "In real terms this is similiar to a Sun-Venus-conjunction, but the actual relationshp acts in terms as if the couple belong together, despite all things. There does not have to be electricity before there is light."
They have so strong synastry, that they didn`t need the progressed Venus-synastry.

On another page he states that he has sometimes found the Moon in aspect to Sun or Venus as a substitute for Venus; but only in cases when he knew the birthtime. And Paul`s Venus was opposite Linda`s Moon, so another point for them.

When they met, they actually had a progressed aspect: Linda`s progressed Sun exactly trine Paul`s natal Sun.
Even though this is not a convenient relationship-trigger in the sense of romantic relationships, their natal synastry was so romantic and strong, that this Sun-Sun-trine was enough to bring those synastric connection into light.

posted October 18, 2007 04:01 PM              

But all of this leads me to the conclusion, that

1. strong natal synastry is always a plus
2. we can also include the Moon and the angles, which gives us following aspects for a strong love-synastrie:

1. Sun-Moon
2. Sun - Venus
3. Sun - DSC
4. Moon - Venus
5. Moon - DSC
6. Venus - Venus
7. Venus - ASC
8. Venus - DSC
9. Mars - DSC

He leaves out Moon- Mars and Moon - ASC, even though I personally think especially the first one is very passionate.
He also leaves out the Sun-Mars-aspect, because for his taste this one has too great emphasis on pure physical attraction or competitiveness to be counted as a "love-aspect". But whenever I looked at progressed synastry, this one kept on popping up, but mostly with other, softer aspects. So I maybe would also consider Moon - Mars, Moon - ASC, Sun-Mars and Sun-ASC.

Additionally WEstran sais that the sextile is a very good and nice aspect, but it`s no aspect of great love or passion, it has more a friendship-vibe. It`s not a bad thing; the only problem is that it will get trumped by other stronger aspects.

"I looked at my progresssed composite and have
-sun/venus conjunction"
Yes, I have looked at some progressed composites, and noticed that there was very often a Sun-Venus-conjunction.

"-venus conj karma/valentine conj "
That is beautiful. So much love, and all written in the stars.

"- Pluto/ac conj - this one must be quite dificult hihihi"
Or intensely passionate.

"o wonder that we feel so frsustrated at times"
And I thought it might have to do with the distance.

"-NN trine AC"
Didn`t IQ say this is one of the best to have in a synastry? WEll, I guess this also goes for the composite then.

posted October 19, 2007 08:31 AM              

ACG
well im a Virgo and heīs a Libra and right now the progr comp sun falls onto Libra adn the AC onto Virgo - all balanced hihihi

DD,
i love that couple and they area definatelly SM - they seemed perfetc for each other and also they have all Dr Zīs SM Clues

And i also look at them very as an example-they also had their moons skuared like me and Jnnhy

ABout that composite,i was mistaken,those placements were about my progressed map and not our composite progressive.

Now i looked onto his progressive and he is having also like me the sun-venus conjunction.

- sun conj saturn and conj pluto also;
- his venus is also conj saturn and pluto
- karma/juno/VX trine in the 5th
- but his moon is receivinng a lot of skuares from Mefc/venus/dsturn/pluto
- by other side, heīs having a lot of Cinderellaīs Lonkages: kiron/venus-kiron/nep-kiron/pluto and kiron/moon
-but also the saturn-clash unfortunatelly

on the progressed composite

-Sun conj Mars in libra in the 2nd house
- sun receiving a sesquiquadrate from Moon
- Venus is conj the AC
- VX is conj Juno in the 6th ( i wonder what will happen when this is on the 7th hihi)
- Moon ( home isnt it?) is receiving skuares from Merc/uranus/kiron) -but trines Mars/Saturn/Pluto/NN
- Moon conj Juno
- Merc is conj Venus in the 1st House (but still im fighting with my comunication problems in Love...)
- Venus is skuaring Nep/NN ( Here is again the ilusion thing isnst it)
- Mars is conj Saturn and Pluto closely (Iakikes)
- Trines NN - Moon/Mars/Saturn/Pluto/Juno
- Trines Karma-Pluto/Juno/saturn/mars/moon
-valentine trines VX

Regarding kiron

Clashes again: with jupiter/uranus oposition
Saturn Clash: itīs a 0šorb one and kiron in retro - i looked up till 2009 and it always appears this Clash in our progressed composite-whcih Magi says thatīs the worst aspect regarding relationships - i wonder why this aspect appears so many time in our progressed - is it gonna last long? We donthave that one is sinastry fortunatelly but this aspect does frigthens me since i red Magiīs books
- Hopefully we have the Kiron/venus and kiron/pluto Cinderellas Linkages

posted October 19, 2007 08:56 AM              

I dont know if you saw but some time ago Jane wrote sth very interesting about the transits/progressions that appears when we meet someone very important in life. And that theory served for her,other people and also me and Jonnhy:

This is it:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002901.html

"It says that a significant relationship starts when progressed or natal planets are conjunct the progressed ascendant, or progressed planets are conjunct the natal ascendant. The planets that form the conjunctions supposedly describe the nature of the person you will meet. When progressed Moon is in your progressed 7th, that's also a sign of starting a significant relationship."

When we met:

my progressed sun conjunted my ac(0orb),P.Moon was conjuncting Vertex(1š),P.NN/P.Vesta conjuncted my NN(3) and my Natal Valentine/N.PF was conjuncting my P.NN(0š) and more - P.Valentine was also conjuncting my karma and my own Valentine -
My P.VX/Osiris/Juno were in my 7th house,and PF was also conj my DC!

In his:
- hIS P.Isis/Eros/Mars/Uranus/VX/Juno/Moon/Osiris were all in his 5th house and Vesta conj his DC.
- His MOOn oposed his P.AC(0) and natal karma was conj his MC(0).
I dont see any conj to his P.AC or N.AC..but i see P.Venus conj his N.Pluto(0);N.saturn conj his P.Venus;N.Valentine conj P.PF(0);N.VX conj P.Eros(0) and P.VX conj N.Osiris/Juno(0).N.karma conj P.MC.
His N.Isis..conjuncting P.Moon(0),conj p.vx/juno(1),and Osiris(4).

He had T.Uranus/kiron transiting his 7th;and T.Valentine/Pluto transiting his 5th.
T.Mars/Saturn/karma were conj his N.AC- and T.Eros was conj his N.NN.His NIsis/Osiris were conj T.Moon and T.Amor was conj N.Valentine.
AS for me..T.NN was transiting my 7th,conjuncting my N.Vx.and DC.
T.Kiron/Uranus were transiting my 5th.
~T ERos conj my NN and N.Valentine conj my T.Karma/T Saturn

The one in line with the THeor~y Jane wrote was my progressed sun conjunct my natal asc, & his moon conjunct his progressed asc

posted October 19, 2007 10:09 AM              

"It says that a significant relationship starts when progressed or natal planets are conjunct the progressed ascendant, or progressed planets are conjunct the natal ascendant. The planets that form the conjunctions supposedly describe the nature of the person you will meet. When progressed Moon is in your progressed 7th, that's also a sign of starting a significant relationship."

I didn`t know that. Gonna go and check my progressed chart.

EDIT:
Oh God, I did this, and I found an aspect, that might interest you.

I`m having Valentine conjunct True Node in my progressed chart and the orb is 0°01.

And progressed Neptune is conjunct that VAlentine / NN - conjunction by a tad more than 2°.

Progressed Valentine / NN are conjunct my natal ASC (almost 2° and separating), conjunct my natal Neptune (1), conjunct my natal NN (1) and conjunct my natal Atlantis.

It`s interesting to note that three of the four singers I`m gonna see over the next weeks have actually planets or asteroids on the very same degree, my Valentine / NN conjunction is.
Singer 1 has his Isis there, singer 2 has his Neptune there and Singer 3 has Valentine, Siva and his progressed Kaali there.

posted October 19, 2007 10:29 AM              

Oh and regarding the progressed Valentine / NN-conjunction - progressed Kaali is exactly opposite it. Progressed Karma is also opposite it but with a bit more than 2° orb.

However back to my progressed chart for this year, which looks pretty interesting, I admit.

Progressed Amor is conjunct progressed ASC (1,5)
Progressed ASC is almost conjunct my natal Venus (orb is 2°08) - it will be in 2° orb exactly on the day I`m gonna attend the second concert I planned. Timing is everything, he?

Other impressive conjunctions are:

Progressed Sun is exactly conjunct progressed Isis (0°56)

Progressed Mercury is exactly conjunct progressed Venus (0°01)

Progressed Mercury is exactly conjunct my natal Moon (0°10)

Progressed Venus is conjunct my natal Moon (0°11)

Progressed Jupiter is conjunct natal Juno (0°05)

Progressed Karma is conjunct natal SN (1,5)

So, I guess, of those conjunctions, these are the ones that would fit into Jane`s theory:

Progressed Valentine conjunct natal ASC
Progressed NN conjunct natal ASC
(What about progressed Kaali conjunct natal DSC?)
Progressed Amor conjunct progressed ASC
Natal Venus conjunct progressed ASC

So the planets / asteroids that make the connections are Valentine, NN, Kaali, Amor and Venus. I understand that this should be a hint, that this is a very important year relationship wise,

so WHERE IS HE?

my progressed sun conjunted my ac(0orb),
That sounds wonderful, generous, warm, full of joy. And like you have been very much yourself, or have become aware of who you are.

P.NN/P.Vesta conjuncted my NN(3) and my Natal Valentine/
See, you`ve had also a Valentine-NN-conjunction.

P.Valentine was also conjuncting my karma and my own Valentine -
What better constellation to announce the arrival of a great love can there be than that?

see P.Venus conj his N.Pluto(0);
Sounds very passionate to me.

Very interesting.

posted October 19, 2007 10:34 AM              

You must go this time and see it all!

Dont forget that special placement you are having!

posted October 19, 2007 11:14 AM              

yes, I will see them all.

I checked the three dates.

The one that is coming up next, on sunday (I feel so like not going, actually; I don`t know why I`m nervous, the one on stage should be, not his audience ).

However, progressed Valentine / NN will be conjunct natal ASC in all three cases.
As well as progressed Kaali will be conjunct natal DSC and SN in all three cases.

But on sunday there will be Transit Karma conjunctiong my natal DSC (2) and conjuncting my natal SN (1) - applying.

Transit Pluto will be almost exactly solstice conjunct my progressed ASC.

2nd concert:

Progressed VAlentine / NN conjunct natal AC and NN.
Progressed Kaali conjunct natal DSC and SN. (like above)

New is:
Progressed ASC has just come into 2°-conjunction to natal Venus.

Transit Moon conjunct progressed ASC (and natal Venus of course) - but more likely at the end of the concert or very shortly afterwards. Maybe a good time to get an autograph?
It would somehow be fitting, since the Mercury of one of the singers is conjunct my natal Venus and exactly conjunct that progressed ASC. my natal Venus, Isis, Osiris and progressed ASC are also trine the other singer`s Kaali and also trine his progressed Karma. BTW this man`s progressed NN-Eros-conjunction is conjunct his natal NN and conjunct my natal Valentine, while his progressed Valentine is opposite and his progressed Mars is conjunct my natal Karma. I better don`t delve much deeper into this. Oh but one more thing. There`s a goody according to WEstran, his progressed Venus is trine my Sun and will be so for the next decade.
AND our progressed composite (I got curious, I admit it) contains an exact Sun-Venus-conjunction in SCorpio will falls onto his progressed NN-Eros-conjunction and is very close to his natal NN and my natal Valentine.
Looking a bit further into time, my own progressed Valentine will before too long be conjunct my natal NN and his natal Valentine, setting off the other VAlentine-NN-conjunction there is.

Oh and no 3 on 30th december.

Progressed Valentine /NN conjunct my natal ASC and NN.
Progressed Kaali still conjunct my natal DSC and SN.
progressed ASC conjunct my natal Venus.

And now there are some more transits as in the other cases:

Transit Juno is conjunct my natal ASC by 0°17
Transit Juno also conjunct my progressed VAlentine and progressed NN.

Transit Jupiter conjuncts my progressed ASC and conjunct my natal Venus

- this one is interesting, because the singer`s Venus is exactly trine my natal Venus, progressed ASC and Transit Jupiter.

Funny, when I first took notice of him and developed this crush, Transit Jupiter was opposite my natal Venus and progressed Karma was conjunct my DSC.

Transit Sun is also conjunct my natal Isis-Osiris-conjunction; well I know it is not connected to the ASC, but I thought it was important nevertheless, because my natal Venus, Isis and Osiris connects with his Karma, Venus and Pluto to make a Grand Trine, and if Transit Sun pays a visit, that constellation may be "enlightened".

I can`t really come to a conclusion about this, other than this seems to be a very meaningful period in my life. And all three concerts will hopefully be worthwile.

DD

posted October 19, 2007 12:43 PM            

Thats interesting.. How did those Leo Cancers make out? they really happy or what? I like the thought of a early Cancer cusp Leo girl. Ive only been in one relationship with a Leo.. but it was so long ago when we were in like middle school.. so I havent had anything serious..
but there was this one Leo girl I knew.. god in some ways she was so typical lol.. on the door to her dorm room she had all these pictures of herself hahaha covering the whole door except for a couple of random ones.. but it was funny.. no pictures of her roomy .. just herself .. but she wasnt really leoish in some other ways.. she could be very gentle and sensual.. she would run her fingers through my hair and it felt soo good.. I swear I prolly could have orgasmed It felt ecstatic and relaxing.. mmmm what I would give for some of that ..

posted October 19, 2007 05:08 PM            

One example--my parents they are sag.-cap. and have been married 31 years.

There seems to be something about the semi-sextile couples. I do believe it has to do with progressions of personal natal planets.

posted October 19, 2007 07:38 PM            

But maybe pSun conjunct pMercury is not that uncommon, as Mercury is often next to the Sun (in the birth charts) right? (sorry for my lack of knowledge.. ^_^; )

Personally, I guess that this aspect enforces the will for communication in the relationship, so when this aspect is gone, the relationship might lose a bit of communication and become less lively in communication.. But other than this, I don't really see this aspect as the main aspect that determines whether two people would either come together or separate. ^_^

Diandra23, I must take a look at that thread later.. ^_^

posted October 20, 2007 07:00 AM              

What does that means when NN turns direct?Ive heard of that being iportant but i dont know on whcih level might be...

I saw that Janeīs theory was really impressing and fitting in reality - so i am seeing also that those specific moments of the concerts,DD,are also very meaningful as each one has at least one of the premisses of that theory - and i believe that sh very important is gonna happen - so dont you even think of not going

I only realised that transist when i met when i red your thoughts about them hihihi - me who loves the Valentine/NN conjunction..didnt saw it at my own chart - what a shame!

Let me know what happened sunday!!

posted October 20, 2007 07:39 AM              

I agree with you.
The Sun-Mercury is good for opening the communication lines.
And I`ve seen it in some composites. But I also think it`s not enough to base a whole relationship on, since Mercury is not the most romantic planet of all.
I would see an exception in those cases in which MErcury rules ASC, DSC, IC, 5th or 8th house - the importance of the aspect would even increase and it could very well indicate a romantic exchange.

The Sun-Mercury-conjunction certainly appears more often than other conjunctions in the natal chart, but i`m not so sure if in terms of the composite this holds true; at least it might be a tad more rare than in the natals.

Diandra,

I donīt really know what it means, if NN turns direct, other than the Valentine-NN-conjunction will be valid longer than it would be otherwise.
But since the NN usually is retograde, I guess it could mean a change of direction in one`s life? NOt sure.

Yes, I agree with Jane`s theory, too, even though I often found not only planets in conjunction with pr ASC, but in some cases Karma, Valentine, Juno or Osiris.

Apart from astrology: I`m going totally bonkers here, as you can tell from my post above in the thread about magi - astrology.

I just feel like I`m headed for a big crash. I don`t know, I`m probably hyperimaginative and hypersensitive, but I feel like all my nerves are raw and I might going to explode. I would appreciate to explode, so maybe some of my inner tension could be released a little.
And you know what is crazy? It`s not the singer that I`m gonna see that makes me nervous, but the announcement of that mysterious "Special Guest". It`s so ridiculous, but I hate not knowing who`s gonna be there. lol Ah, yes, yes, I`m going, even though right now I feel like I either want to hide in my bed and pull the covers over my head or scratch the painting of the wall with my fingernails.

DD