posted October 19, 2007 10:11 PM            

I also have Mars in Aquarius, 2nd house.

posted October 19, 2007 10:16 PM            

In one respect you are correct. The 2nd house can suggest your personal finances, but it is mainly about self-worth and stability. Here's a way to look at it. When there is a transit to whatever planet rules the cusp of your 2nd house, where ever planet is in your chart, it's going to ring the bells of your second house and all the issues suggested by the 2nd house.

If Saturn conjuncts, squares, or opposes that planet, I guarantee, you're gonna feel it. Your finances will either dry up temporarily or you will show signs of seriously organizing your financial life.

If Uranus aspects that planet with any of those aspects, there will be intense feelings about your self-worth, finances or some kind of electrifying excitement around your values and finances.

Etc. for Pluto with those aspects, Pluto can destroy to renew, to rebirth. Your feelings about your self worth will probably be put through the ringer somehow.

But your correct in that it doesn't just symbolize money. It can also symbolize your resources whether it's money, luxury items, jewelry, cars, you name it. But it has to be within the parameters of how you're living, what events are occuring for you in real time at the time the transits or Solar Arcs are occuring.

So, you're doin' good kid.

Geocosmic Valentine

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"Everybody is a star!"

posted October 19, 2007 11:01 PM            

Venus in the 2nd here – I feel ya and you’re NOT a weirdo
I get tired of reading those interps about needing to be surrounded by expensive things, how the search for wealth and (financial) security is important, that you must have impeccable taste in luxurious items, ad nauseum. Well, I ain’t well-to-do or even very well off financially. I have a small house with mismatched furniture and that’s OK, because these outside trappings of “success” and “security” are not what’s important to me.

I like the interp here: http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-second-house-2nd-house.htm

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The second house describes both inner and outer resources. We draw on emotional and mental inner resources in dealing with the situations with which life presents us. These assets form our sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Our outer resources are our finances and physical possessions: movable property that we own (as opposed to real estate). These assets form our sense of security. Some of us identify with what we own; others with what we are. They both, however, are what we value, and we attract to us what we value. Thus the second house is where we build in true value and our power of attraction. Planets here show how and to what we are attached, and the degree of our possessiveness. Classically speaking, this house also symbolizes our strongest desires, and the manner in which we meet our obligations. Isabelle Hickey said that this house indicated "that which the life is dedicated to redeem," and is thus related to one’s peace of mind.

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Howard Sasportas ("The Twelve Houses") writes:

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The traditional labelling of the 2nd house makes it sound as if it covers only that which is concrete and tangible and of interest to the tax inspector. Don’t be fooled – there is much more under this umbrella [of “Values, Possessions, Money and Resources”] than meets the eye.

The body is the first thing by which we define ourselves [1st house], but the way is now paved for further self-definition as we attach more and more things to ourselves through which we derive and give substance to our ego-identity. As time goes by we will develop a sense of other things we possess besides the body – a good mind, a clever tongue, a sympathetic nature, a practical ability, an artistic flair, etc. The 2nd house describes what we possess or hope to possess as well as those resources or attributes which, when developed, will give us the sense of substance, value, worth, safety and security previously provided by our identification with Mother. For most people this is money, although its mindless pursuit leads not to self-definition but to despair: witness the number of men queueing up to jump off the 10th floor window-ledges after the crash of 1929.

Signs and planets in the 2nd house also serve as guidelines indicating the kinds of inherent faculties and capabilities which we can develop and concretize, and through which we gain a greater sense of self-worth. The 2nd house depicts our innate wealth which can be tapped – our substance or soil which can be tilled productively.

In addition to providing a stocklist of potential capacities, the 2nd house also designates our relationship to the sphere of money and possessions: that is, our attitudes towards the material world and the conditions we encounter in this realm. Whether we worship Mammon as a god or consider the world of form as all Maya or illusion would be shown by placements here. Also indicated is the manner, style or rhythm with which we approach earning money and the development of skills and resources – be it keen, lethargic or fitful. Do we hold on tight or do we allow things to slip through our fingers? Do we have to exert tremendous effort in this area of life or are we blessed with a Midas touch? Do we still want what we have once we have managed to attain it?

We all tend to form our sense of identity and security primarily from what we own, posess or attach to ourselves – be it the body, the home, the bank balance, the spouse, our children or a religious philosophy. However, deriving an identity from anything external or relative is ultimately precarious and conditional. Any of these could at any time be removed from us or suddenly lose their relevance. Even our body, which is the first thing we have labelled as our own and through which we gained our initial sense of “I,” must eventually be “let go of” and sacrificed. Perhaps our only real security comes from an identification with that part of us which remains when everything else we thought we were is stripped away. To paraphrase Jung: we only discover what supports us when everything else we thought supported us doesn’t support us any more. It is worth reflecting on the wisdom of certain American Indian tribes which required that at the end of each year, the richest man in the village – the one who had successfully appropriated the most wealth to himself – gave away everything he had accrued.

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posted October 20, 2007 02:34 AM            

My impression:

If you've got a packed 2nd house, money-making (and keeping) habits will manifest automatically by default regardless of what you think or what your feelings are about it.

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it just seems almost fear-based or something and to me that just doesn't really have the taurus vibe. you know?

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posted October 20, 2007 03:40 AM            

I would categorize Taurus' and 2nd house influences as hugely concerned with security, and there are many things that can make a person feel secure, aside from money.

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If you've got a packed 2nd house, money-making (and keeping) habits will manifest automatically by default regardless of what you think or what your feelings are about it.

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I'm not really down with the absolute "finality" of that statement...that one can be accused of being a certain way because of certain astrological placements, "by default regardless of what they think or what they feel about it"...

posted October 20, 2007 05:09 AM            

I agree that it is security, but I disagree that there are "many" things that make people secure in a "Taurus" way that don't involve money. Friends/family who will support you emotionally are one. Weapons or fighting capability is another. Their reputation is a source of security, but it's also part of their mechanism for obtaining security through money. Spiritual faith would be another one, but I don't see many heavily Taurean influenced people basing their sense of security on that. Security is a material (earthly) thing for the Taurus, and I believe they manifest it on a material plane.

posted October 20, 2007 08:03 AM              

I have my Saturn conj Pluto in my 2nd housein Libra.8 Yup i do not have a lot,my family once had,but i do not have the ability to get possessions,or luck on that; and i do not have a fixation on money-as its said on cafe astrlogy having Pluto in the 2nd hihihi)

My emphasis in life is all about feeling secure,warmth and cared off and for ( i also have Moon in Taurus then..)

i get really "its not me" when people view my venus/sun falling on my partners 2nd house,as being a ´look for money and finantial growth ... what the truth is is that i seek stability,security,emotional security and support in him,and not money!!

I like to be in beautiful places and that also means some luxury at times ( i think its my taurus moon) but what i really value is to be able to feel recogniziton of my self worth by the ones i love.

I value most what i am and what others are, higher above of what hey have.

The biggest dream i have involving money is to have a big house with a big garden and flowers -and some trips to Egypt or Italy

posted October 20, 2007 08:18 AM            

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but I disagree that there are "many" things that make people secure in a "Taurus" way that don't involve money. Friends/family who will support you emotionally are one. Weapons or fighting capability is another. Their reputation is a source of security, but it's also part of their mechanism for obtaining security through money. Spiritual faith would be another one, but I don't see many heavily Taurean influenced people basing their sense of security on that.

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That sounds like "many" things to me...

Security in the form of a reliable, solid relationship is another example as well.

But I'm the first to admit I'm at best, an amateur astrologer. I just don't think that my (or anyone's) limited experiences w/ a certain sign or aspect can be taken to mean anything remotely absolute about everyone w/ that placement, as is kind of presented here by some. But hey, I could be totally wrong on this one...

It just seems that what you're saying AG is tantamount to me saying, "well every Cappy I've met sucked (I used the word "sucked" merely for simplicity so as not to make this a discussion about Cappys), so therefore you must possess those same traits and inner motivations, automatically by default regardless of what you think or what your feelings are about it..."

posted October 20, 2007 01:31 PM            

I used this phrase: "automatically by default regardless of what you think or what your feelings are about it..." because when going over my Sag friends chart with him, he didn't see the 2nd house focus right off the bat, but when I pointed out the manifestations of it that I see in his life he understood. He has at least one contradictory impulse in his 2nd house as well, which may be part of the reason he didn't see it at first. In addition to being a good money-maker and saver, he also likes being a person who can bail someone out financially if need be. So there exists the concentration on material aquisition, but also a focus on having something to give away if need be.

posted October 22, 2007 03:29 PM              

do you have any capicorn in you?

i rember there was an aqua i knew with a lot of capircorn in her and money was one of the things that she thought of, not the first thing on her mind, but she thought of it.

posted October 23, 2007 08:35 AM              

I believe money is a useful tool.

It's people's attitude and relationship with it that turns into something ugly.

posted October 28, 2007 11:41 PM              

i do not think of money as evil or bad. but here's what i do think about stuff, resources, beauty, blah blah. maybe having aquarius here makes me idealistic, but i have these ongoing fantasies about living off the land and everyone just living in nature, having gardens and very minimal "stuff". it's just this weird fantasy and i have nothing against stuff, either. i just love nature i guess and think it would be so much easier and bring people together. a marriage of taurus and aquarius, i guess.

anyway, i guess this vision is devoid of money and it is so powerful in me that i rarely think about money very much. though i do understand where it relates to security and how that is important.

i guess my beef was just about how many interps offer only the money-centered aspect, which i find so strange and annoying, frankly.

posted October 29, 2007 06:34 AM              

I could not be less interested in making money. My main goals and aspirations are spiritual, not material or financial in any way.

I do need security, which to me materially means a permanent place to live, no more, no less. I don't want to be tied down with material things, which is why I recycle a lot and use public transport (I live in a city).

I always pay my bills in time, because if not, unpayed bills and debts would take too much of my mental energy, but I work as a freelancer and save for the rainy day. The savings I then use during periods in between jobs. I guess this means I am good with money.

I have never been able to fully understand what the 2nd house is for me astrologically...

posted February 23, 2012 11:31 AM              

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Originally posted by heart cakes:
arg. maybe i am just a weirdo, but seriously, i am just so tired of everything second house supposedly relating to money. i am a taurus moon with sun, mercury and mars in the 2nd in aquarius, and i like hardly think about money at all. it is not important to me. VALUES are, yes, COMFORT, yes, warmth and nurturing and being stable, steady, yes, but WHY all this emphasis on money all the time??

am i the only one who is driven nuts by this? it just doesn't seem to even fit. i mean, i understand money=stuff=security, but it just seems almost fear-based or something and to me that just doesn't really have the taurus vibe. you know?

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You have had some really good responses here, but no one has mentioned or asked you what house system you use?? Do you simply use the default on astro?

I ask this as I use Equal house system, BUT my chart in placidus would move my stellium from 4th to 2nd house. Def no me

Second is also about your self esteem, self worth and what physical possessions will bring you that security we all crave..

posted February 26, 2012 03:48 PM            

i dunno if that is a very aquarian example or not..?!

saggieMC, this is my old moniker and this post was from almost 5 years ago. i've come to understand the 2nd house a lot better. i use placidus, personally.