posted October 20, 2007 01:47 PM              

I did want to pop in and say Hello and to the forums.
I look forward to learning more about you in time.

*Edited to add:
PSYCHE 16 [psychic connections, intuitiveness, perseverance in love]
Read an in depth description Click Here
Transits to Psyche do affect the state of psychological health.

Overall I'd read this as:
This would be a man who has powerful spiritual experiences in connection with the dark sides of woman.
It is not always emotionally or physically healthy for him.
You may not act particualarly rational in this relationship. Yes, this man may actually be attracted to your dark side! Chances are he will be surprised by it however.

posted October 20, 2007 02:30 PM              

I know asteroids arent as important as planets but black lilith keeps popping out at me and i'm trying to ignore her but she's not havin any of it.

My natal lilith also conjuncts his solar MC 3 degrees and my solar lilith conjuncts his natal Vertex 1 degree.

The general theme is looking more like I'm the evil one in this, which as sick as that sounds actually makes me feel better. I know my own nature so I'm confident in my morals relationship wise. I don't know him too well so that's where my concern is.

And that dam fortune is in there too. Double whammy.

posted October 20, 2007 02:40 PM              

I know the planet person is the one who's supposed to feel the impact of the house it lands in more then the House person but it just bugs me.

posted October 20, 2007 02:42 PM              

Ok...ok... I'm your girl!
I totally get this one with all my heart.

Yes, you are the evil one, LOL!

Is this to be a life long committment with this man? If so we need to have a little talk about pregnancies, childbearing, children, extraordinary challenges and events...

posted October 20, 2007 02:55 PM              

quote:

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I dont ever want children

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Because of his lilith in 5th house / virgo combo you may actually be a perfect compliment to him.

You see those with Lilith hanging out there have ALOT of issues producing children to full term. [miscarraiges are common as are just becoming pregnant, etc.] if you want more details, say the word...

posted October 20, 2007 03:27 PM              

If its Lilith the asteroid 1181,then it is conjunct my karma/valentine/mars in my 11th..

in mt bf´s chart. the one of the tables its in his 6th and oposes his NN.
The 1181 conj his karma in Taurus in the 10th house..

posted October 20, 2007 03:33 PM              

So it is the one at my 5th...conj my Ceres also-- as i see it is goin tobe dificult for me being Mom..

And to get things worse,my lIlith conj his Moon(0º) and his Lilith trine my sun(4º)

I took this
Apogee (Black Moon) Lilith

In the Moon's orbit of the Earth it periodically reaches its closest distance (perigee) and then its furthest distance (apogee). The longitude of its apogee is known as Lilith or Black Moon. Lilith in this sense is a much more major astrological consideration than either the small asteroid or the altogether questionable 'dark Moon'. The true position of apogee Lilith varies greatly from the often calculated mean position, and includes periods of retrogradation. The geocentric period of apogee Lilith is about nine years; while its glyph is a black Moon sitting over a cross.

Apogee Lilith is believed to be a point of instinctive and emotional intelligence, whereby individuals can gain contact with and feel their inner heartfelt truths and soul longings and passions. Since at Lilith the Moon is more distant from the Earth than usual, the Sun gains relative prominence, and Lilith is also associated with the unveiling of illusions, the illumination of self-defeating behaviour patterns, the exorcism of self-centred desires, and the coming into closer contact with Earth wisdom. A strongly placed Lilith favours art, creativity, detachment from social norms, emotional sensitivity and vulnerability, an uncompromising will, and unconventional relationships. Natal apogee Lilith retrograde is thought to offer past life indications judged by its sign and house placement.

Only conjunctions and oppositions to apogee Lilith within a three degree orb are considered in interpretation. Such aspects to Sun, Mercury or Venus in females are thought to heighten the expression of their sexuality in their public image; those to the Moon can indicate difficulties connected with pregnancy and childbirth; and those to Mars favour the expression of independence, sometimes attracting opposition from men.

In female nativities, a strongly placed Lilith shows consciousness of one's instincts, and confident governance of one's sexuality and childbirth needs; while more negative manifestations of the placement of Lilith can be social isolation stemming from unorthodox manners of functioning, and unsuitable sexual partners. In male nativities, a strongly placed Lilith attracts the individual to equal, fair relationships with strong females, who in turn are attracted to such types as him.

Transits from apogee Lilith bring pain and uncomfortable, uncontrolled emotions in matters connected with the transited planet, and sometimes manifest as vengefulness.

In synastric contacts, apogee Lilith brings a sense of soul connection characterised by a mergeance of personal and impersonal attributes, but with an inclination towards intensity, the uncovering of deep-seated desires, and some danger of obsessiveness and pain"
http://groups.msn.com/HOROSCOPESCHAT/lilithchiron.msnw

posted October 20, 2007 06:14 PM              

I myself have this and have three children.
The implication is it's not the norm to easily become pregnant with a viable outcome.
My condensed history:

Pregnancy #1 Pre-eclamptic Toxemia symptoms
Hospitalized at 8 months prego for 1 1/2 weeks, later induced.

Pregnancy #2 Carrying twins... Lost the first one at 1 1/2-2 months along, then the second one at 3 1/2 months term

Pregnancy #3 Pre-eclamptic Toxemia, a couple of strokes, high blood pressure pregnancy induced diebeties, etc. induced labor at full term. (child has sleep disorder did'nt learn to sleep more in than 20 minute incraments until 4 years old, he also has serious hyper-activity disorder)

Pregnancy #4 Pre-eclamptic Toxemia, high blood pressure pregnancy induced diebeties, etc. induced labor at just 28 weeks gestation or I would die. I have no doubt I truly would have died and even then almost did after the fact. the baby being born SOoooooo premature (3 months early) she lived in the neonatal intensive care unit where we were flown to. She was given just a 4% chance of surviving even through the night. Blood transfusions, feeding through tubes, pic-lines, being unable to touch her for the first 13 days of her life, intestinal issues, etc. all said and done through the grace of God, she did make it through and out of the hospital a full 2 and 1/2 months later and home a full 11 days before she was supposed to be born.
(She's now a month shy of 4 years old and HEALTHY and Perfect in every way!)

So 4 pregnancies including 5 babies, 3 survivors and just one with lasting medical issues... even these are sure to be outgrown.

posted October 20, 2007 06:16 PM            

Do you use h13 (BML) or the asteroid Lilith, or both?

The asteroid Lilith is in my 6th, but BML is conj. my DC at 0 deg! That seems a little scary...

In terms of synastry, if a man's Lilith or BML falls in your 5th, would the couple have difficulty conceiving even if the natal charts don't indicate it?

So many questions...hope I'm not overwhelming you!

Thanks!

posted October 20, 2007 06:28 PM              

YourFriendSpirit,

Im sorry to ear that you had so many complications.You must have suffered a lot,since our own Children are the ones who we love most above all isnt it?

It´s surelly a blessing to have your babies and now all is well fortunatelly - they are all strong fighters and survivors-sure they have very special missions to carry this lifetime!

I understood the dificult placement of that Lilith now.I also have some problems regarding my reproductive system ,so it seems to fit also.

It´s a matter of be strong and have Faith in whatever Future brings.

Thanks for your words and for having told your Story

posted October 20, 2007 06:45 PM              

Thanks for the add'l Lilith info Diandre! I'm trying to incorporate everything I've learned so far into our synastry chart but i can't help it, it's stiiiiill bugging me. Loyalty means EVERYTHING to me and I'm carrying around this nagging feeling he may cheat on me since his demon lilith resides in my 12H.

posted October 20, 2007 06:53 PM            

I think we must have posted at the same time. I asked you the questions before reading your last post.

Well...your kids are definitely blessed with an angel of a Mom to want them so much and to have so much faith! I am sorry that you had to go through all of that.

Hi Diandra,

I don't know what the one of the chart means. On Astro, there is an asteroid listed, and the h13 one (which is the dark moon/black moon one).

Good luck Monday, Sweetie!

posted October 20, 2007 06:54 PM              

It's the one with this glyph:
upside down cross with cresent moon on top.


It's listed as an option automatically at astro.com along with juno, chiron, etc. where it says: Additional objects
It should be the third option in the list.

It's not these one's:
h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee ("True" Lilith / Black Moon)
h21 Interpolated Lunar Apogee (Lilith), also called 'Natural Apogee'
h58 Dark Moon Lilith (Waldemath)
1181 Lilith asteroid

*In my own chart (h12,h13,& h21) referenced Liliths are relatively close in my 5th house while the asteroid lilith is in my 6th house, and the Dark Moon Lilith (Waldeman)is in my 11th house.

posted October 20, 2007 07:01 PM              

dont think like that please- cheating in in the heart of the person and not in the chart .

Look,12th house is the hidden house, the misterious one.
But it is also the past life house-so,looking at it and Liliths meaning it also could point to that he found in you a sense of soul conection,where lyes intensity but also some pain.Afterall Lilith deals also with that. And having conection to other persons past life house,might means that is awakening some deep wounds maybe from past lives and that need to he deal with.

IT´s not sth bad though cause in every relationship we have,there´s also pain cause there´s always wounds to heal and fears to be overcomed,obssesiveness to be calmed on

I hope i didnt confused you - i try to view astrological placements and give my opinion about it ,even im just still a newbie.

But at my point of view,this is what i see and not anything to do with betrayal

For instance my Lilith conj my bf´s Moon..you would think that im a bad person who will make him emotional pain .
But no, im the one who loves him dearly but that at times,when im insecure(Virgo) and feeling depressed,i hurt him with my lack of words making him feel alone and that i dont trust him.When in fact i do trust him and care but cause i have Sun in 12th and Moon in 8th, i also get seriously "hidden" to me and to others, and so,causing the other pain by feeling that my emotions arent there with him ( we also have our Moons skuared)

Try to look at the whole chart and not only to Lilith - some times we discover what is behind

posted October 20, 2007 07:15 PM              

Ok now this Black Lilith thing wont go away!! I just realized his Black Lilith cojuncts my Ceres, 3 degrees.

posted October 20, 2007 07:32 PM              

Conj Ceres may have sth to do with nurturing and mothering...then again,some pain might be caused envolving this issues - as you dont wanna be a Mom ,maybe you can sometimes direct the nurture to him( in a mothering type) and as he had past bad experiences with Women,awakens in him the intensity of Lilith and might cause the pain in you ( the deal here is to think of how the 2 energies combine and see what the friction is)

If in smeway you feel identified to what i said, then,its is really to do with that and not he being a Deamon lover hihihi

Look to this side of things:we all have Lilith in our charts and all have lilith conecntions in sinastry!
Doesnt necessarily mean that we are all little deamons that whenever are in a love relationship,will counsciously hurt and make the one we love feel bad abd betrayed.

posted October 20, 2007 07:34 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer