posted November 10, 2007 05:43 PM            

"Chiron is a planetoid which orbits between the path of Saturn and Uranus. He was discovered in 1977. I call him a "he" since Chiron relates to the Wounded Healer - The Centaur. A Centaur is a mythical creature that is half man and half horse and he is symbolic of the sign of Saggitarius. It is said that Chiron had aimed his poison arrow outward and was accidentally wounded by his own dart. Because of this, he had a wound that would not heal. Very often when we receive a wound in childhood, or have a painful experience, we can repress that pain and carry it with us throughout our lives. Often we are able to transform that pain or hurt as a lesson we needed to learn. As a result of these painful lessons, we are later able to utilize this knowledge to help or heal others who have experienced a similiar wound or pain in a particular area of life. For example: A woman who is raped becomes a Rape Counselor helping other women deal with their betrayal. It could be the child that everyone teases in school, the "nerd" who develops a unique idea to win wordly praise and recognition. It is often what we repress that propells us.

It is no "coincidence" that we tend to attract people or experiences to us who have either suffered the same issues or experiences as ours if we have not resolved our own painful experiences. Sometimes, though, we are meant to assist others, once we have completed our own internal work. Have you ever noticed that we tend to attract the same kinds of experiences and people to us?? They are only disguised differently!

Planets, asteroids and the like are usually disovered synchronistically during a time when it is symbolic of the collective and outer worldy events happening during its' discovery. The discovery of Chiron was no different as he was discovered during the beginning of our moving into the direction of a more healthy and holistic lifestyle. Energy workers, massage therapists, and astrologers abound! There were new technological discoveries...a bridge between the old and the new.

Chiron is considered to be a "bridge" between the symbolism of both Saturn and Uranus. Between the old structures of principles of our lives and the innovations of the collective. When I look at the glyph (picture symbol) for Chiron, I also see a small key....a key to "unlock" a door. Chiron can also be considered to be a key or knowledge to unlock something within us as individuals or a bridge or key to another person or to the collective.

I have seen some interesting dynamics between birth charts of individuals who have Chiron contacts between them. Chiron seems to be a teacher of sorts and he prefers that we take responsibility for doing our homework. In fact, he makes sure we do by "keying in to" or bridging us to the people we need to meet in this lifetime, that we need to work with. He seems to have the sage-like wisdom of Saturn yet is able to transform that wisdom into something unique, and new and useful for today and in the future...just like Mr. Force - us - to Change, Uranus!

What should be noted is that Chiron has a few faces. He is the "wounded" one for certain and from that hurt he is capable of being a great the teacher to heal others because of his painful experiences. However, he can also wound others, hurt others with his knowledge or pain if he has not resolved these issues successfully in himself.

It has been said that "When the student is ready, the teacher appears". Where is Chiron located in your Birth Chart?"
http://www.karmicastrology.tv/synastry.htm

posted November 11, 2007 10:06 AM              

The bizz went great yesterday - but this week was a little down unfortunateely!

Wold you also sent me a report for me and Jonnhy about the declinations pretty please? :P - if there´s no bodder of course.

Now with the new aci think we no longer have the Cinderella aspects in sinastry - but i do wanna see if really they disapeared...?

Thankx!

Me: 30th august,1983,between 9:00 and 9:03 in 41º10´58.04N; 8º36´01.35 N". Portugal

Him: 29th Spetember,1982,at 1am , lisbon,portugal.

Abot the time zone as i was born in summer time i think astro takes one hour less from my birth time..about Jonnhy´s..it stays the same time zone.

posted November 11, 2007 11:31 AM            

Glad the biz is going well. Hopefully this week will be even better.

No problem w/ the report.

Your Cinderella linkages are: Chiron quincunx Neptune and Chiron quincunx Pluto. These are all very slow moving, so the change in your AC by a few degrees wouldn't effect them. Sent the reports anyway and included aspects to your AC.

Have fun!

posted November 11, 2007 11:35 AM              

Thanks! Im goin to see then

posted November 11, 2007 01:01 PM            

I think Chiron aspects in your natal charts will determine how involved Chiron interaspects between partners will play out.
Having said that I agree that Chiron plays a very important role in soulmate relationships.
Not only natal comparisons but also when you will meet your significant other, in transits and even Solar Arcs.
When Chiron aspects angles could time marriage as well.
Venus conjunct Chiron is definitely a sign the two of you will be in relationship

posted November 11, 2007 02:38 PM              

It was a very interesting reading and i wanna also post here what ive found about it all-so that others also understand better Magi and share point of views.

- We do have 2 CINDERELLA LINKAGES: Kiron kikunkx Pluto and the Kiron kikunkx Neptune. This one said to be "LifeLong Linkage" at the same time as a Romance Linkage:

"This is the most romantic linkage you can have with anyone(..) is one of the three most powerful linkages in creating marriages. But this linkage is the most helpful linkage in keeping the marriage
together. If you are in love, your love is likely to be lasting. Although the Venus-Chiron linkage is more powerful in creating attraction, this is the most powerful in creating lifelong loving relationships.Is the single most reliable sign of the SOULMATE,although the Jupiter-Chiron linkage is almost as reliable."

JUNO LINKAGES/SUPER SEXUAL LINKAGES
We have a shocking ammount of Sexual Juno LINKAGES,including the Super Sexual Ones (and the called Ultimate Sex Link-Juno Super Linkage-Orgasm Linkage - didnt knew this one existed! - on a total of 7 JUNO LINKAGES( which of 5 are Super Sexual ones):

Uranus-Juno/Mars-Juno/Sun-Juno/2 Pluto-Juno/JUNO-VENUS and JUNO-NEPTUNE.

About these ones,they deffend Juno is about affair and not having attachment-on this i disagree cause Juno is supposed to be related to marriage and wife/husband figures isnt it? Also,these last 2 LINKS appear as sign of great attraction and abbility to keep each others dreams and attraction in long term time.
As we have both CINDERELLA,JUPITER,VESTA,ROMANCE LINKAGES,these ones can greatly improve loyalty and love into these sexual linkages.

Also have the so called - Buddy Linkage Sex - - where its said is could lead to infidelity as we both are adventurous hihi - but i disagree also cause we can still be Uranian persons without being unfaithful - and we share the Romance Linkages,Cinderela,Trust,Lifelong and many more.

COMMUNICATION LINKAGES-2:

We have it Jup CP Pallas,Ve CP Merc.
Ease of communication.Love to talk to one another.

ROMANCE LINKAGE: 3

Moon CP Kiron/Kiron P Moon/Sun trine Kiron( TRUSTING LINKAGE).
Shows karmic bonds and closeness in past lives.Creates the intuitive feeling ogf having knoned each other before.Enhances emotional ties.

UNDERSTANDING LINKAGE: 1
Kiron trine Mercury. Creates a intuitive bond where no words are necessary t oknow each other´s thoughts.Sex becomes more fullfiling cause we sense each other´s desires.Significant Linkage.

VESTA LINKAGES: 2
Moon CP Vesta and Moon trine Vesta.
Increases the chances of compatibility.It is probable that we sill know each other for a long time,perhaps a lifetime.

posted November 11, 2007 02:38 PM              

SILVER LINKAGE: 1
Uranus conj Jup : helps us to make money together...

POWER COUPLE LINKAGE: 1
Pluto Kikunkx Moon.
Creates a very strong bond.Helps us work togerher in a common goal.Greatly increase sexual attraction..more??

We also have the IMPOSSIBLE DREAM CLASH/JUNO CLASH - juno skuare Merc-where they say that we fight a lot and that intimacy its not likely and if we make love..we would feel awkhard..it contraries the other linkages we have - and as that doenst happen at all-this can be related to the great ammount of juno links we have.

SATURN CLASHES
Here are the famigeraous ones hihihi

We have Saturn CP Juno:says in the desinterested person about him - i totally disagree on this cause of obvious things.
My Pallas CP Saturn and his Saturn kikunks my Moon.
I think they are too radical about the Saturns cause mostly it can be generacional aspects but also Saturn has to do also with commitment and responsability.
Neverdeless,these links create the co-called SATURN BALANCE where each one is saturn/passive person,helping the other to be more earth down. The 2 need to be as resourceful and committed as we can be.And if there is true love,everything is possible (dont forget that Paul Newman have this with his Joanne)!

IMPOSSIBLE DREAM CLASH: 1 The Venus/Kiron

Shows a sign of very strong and unrelenting
attraction such that we cannot get our mind off this person (ITS TRUE).They say is very uncommon that the 2 people marry,but can be overriden if they were born with turbulet aspect to their Kirons-which as a matter of fact it does - He receives turbulent from Moon/Mars/Ce/Uranus/Eros to his Kiron; i receive them from Sun/Ve/Jup/Uranus

posted November 12, 2007 09:48 AM              

Mystique,

yes, i remember that in aonther thread you asked about our transits when we met remember? And they sure showed a lot of important conections including the VX also whisch i think are major also.

Concerning at see Quiron in the natals, indeed you have a point:

His:
Kiron in the 11th - making wonderful aspects to his planets.
Trines his sun/venus and kikunks pluto ( 3 cinderellas at a row).Oposes his mars/ceres/eros and Uranus(this one might be generacional?)

Me:
kiron in my 8th in Gem - only conj my Moon and trines my AC. the rest are turbulent poses jup/uranus and skuares my Sun.

When we met:
Transits:
He had T.Uranus/kiron transiting his 7th;and T.Valentine/Pluto transiting his 5th.
T.Mars/Saturn/karma were conj his N.AC- and T.Eros was conj his N.NN.His NIsis/Osiris were conj T.Moon and T.Amor was conj N.Valentine.
AS for me..T.NN was transiting my 7th,conjuncting my N.Vx.and DC.
T.Kiron/Uranus were transiting my 5th.
~T ERos conj my NN and N.Valentine conj my T.Karma/T Saturn.

posted November 12, 2007 09:52 AM              

look at the sinastry and se if those aspects are up to 3ºorb:

If so,you have the trust linkage, and 3 Cinderellas : kikunk pluto/neotune and the other is the kiron trine jupiter

The merc-kiron are Dw´s - as are counted as Kiron Linkages!

the juno-kiron is the sexual linkage - that also had dtability i think

posted November 12, 2007 09:57 AM              

"Kiron kikunkx Neptune."
Did you read that they believe this one to be the clearest sign of a soulmate (with Jupiter-Chiron almost as strong)?
I don`t believe that you can say that just from looking at only one aspect, but it obviously is an important one (even though a little generational, isn`t it?).

"JUNO LINKAGES/SUPER SEXUAL LINKAGES
We have a shocking ammount of Sexual Juno LINKAGES,including the Super Sexual Ones (and the called Ultimate Sex Link-Juno Super Linkage-Orgasm Linkage - didnt knew this one existed! - on a total of 7 JUNO LINKAGES( which of 5 are Super Sexual ones):"
I`m shocked! But now we all know what you`re doing, when you`re alone together.

"Uranus-Juno"
It`s interesting, I have this one in two reports. But only in one it is called a Super sexual Juno linkage, in the other it`s only called a Juno linkage.
In the report, that calls it "super sexual" I am the Juno-person. So I think the reports may look a bit different for both persons, and the Juno-person is probably the one, who is most attracted.

" disagree cause Juno is supposed to be related to marriage and wife/husband figures isnt it?"
Yes, maybe it means a highly sexual marriage?

"nd we share the Romance Linkages,Cinderela,Trust,Lifelong and many more."
Yes, it`s all about the big picture.

"Moon CP Vesta and Moon trine Vesta."
A bilevel aspect. That is supposed to be very strong.

"§We also have the IMPOSSIBLE DREAM CLASH/JUNO CLASH"
Again, I guess all those highly sexual linkages you have may trump this one. Maybe there`s from time to time a little misunderstanding, but the attraction may win over this.

"I think they are too radical about the Saturns cause mostly it can be generacional aspects but also Saturn has to do also with commitment and responsability."
Yes, I do agree. I especially don`t believe in the harm the Jupiter-Saturn-clash should do. I mean, those are not even romance or sexual planets!

"IMPOSSIBLE DREAM CLASH: 1 The Venus/Kiron"
Actually I like that one. Strong, unrelenting attraction, what`s wrong with that? Of course, there may be ups and downs, but with all those good aspects and linkages, it should be more exciting than really upsetting.

I looked through my reports, starting with P - curious as I am.

Cinderella linkages: 2
Chiron conjunct Jupiter
Chiron quinkunx Pluto
(those 2 cinderella linkages combine to form a romance super linkage, including my Venus and Neptune, also)

Romance linkages: only 2
Sun conjunct Chiron
Chiron conjunct Jupiter

Chiron linkages: 6
Chiron clashes: 2 (Chiron-Mars, Chiron-Neptune)

sexual linkages: 8,5
Venus p Pluto - obsessive linkage
Pluto cp Mars
Vesta cp Mars - semisexual linkage
Juno p Chiron - lifetime sexual linkage
Venus quinkunx Mars
Mars conjunct Juno - supersexual linkage
Pluto trine Venus - obsessive linkage

We also have 2 sexual clashes:
Pluto square Mars
Chiron square Mars - Lust-hate - clash

But they say in that report that if you have 2 sexual clashes, they form a supersexual linkage. ADditonally those sexual clashes form symmetrical planetary geometry.
P has an exact opposition of Chiron and Pluto and my Mars is squaring both.
Some other planets additionally link to this T-square (my Pluto, my Venus, his Mercury, his Karma, his Eros).

Juno linkages: 2
Mars conjunct Juno
Juno quinkunx Mercury

no Juno clashes

We also have a lot of SAturn-aspects:

Saturn linkages: 3
Pluto p Saturn
Mars trine SAturn
Saturn trine pluto

Saturn bonds: 3
Saturn p Ceres
Ceres p Saturn
Saturn conjunct Pallas

Saturn clashes: 2
Sun square Saturn
Pallas square Saturn

But we don`t have Saturn balance, since I`m the Saturn-person in 5 aspects, he in only 3.

Jupiter linkages: 6
Jupiter p Moon
Jupiter p Uranus
Jupiter trine Uranus
Jupiter p Juno - realistic dreams
Juno p Jupiter - realistic dreams
Neptune trine Jupiter - romantic golden linkage

Vesta linkages: 6

Vesta cp mars
Vesta cp Neptune - Super linkage
Venus trine Vesta
Vesta quinkunx Venus
Ceres quinkunx Vesta
Vesta trine Pluto - Super linkages

Vesta clashes: 2
Vesta square Jupiter
Vesta opposite Neptune - super clash; romantic incompatibility

So, we have both the romantic compatibility linkage (Vesta cp Neptune) and the incompatibility linkage (Vesta opp. Neptune).

friendship:
Vesta cp Neptune - lifelong friends
Venus trine Vesta
Vesta quinkunx Venus

communication clash: 1

communication linkages: 2
Mercury trine Neptune - empathy linkage
Pallas conjunct Chiron - telepathy linkage

forgiveness linkages: 2
Jupiter p Moon
Chiron conjunct Jupiter

fluctuating relationship: 2
Venus cp Uranus
Venus opp. URanus - never a dull Moment (and I am the one who "fluctuates" as the Uranus-person)

Powercouple: 1
Moon p Pluto

DD

posted November 12, 2007 11:47 AM              

Cinderella linkages: 2
Neptune quinkunx Chiron
Pluto quinkunx Chiron
- actually both Cinderella-linkages form a yod

Romance linkages: 2 - 4
Moon p Chiron
Neptune quinkunc Chiron

Sun p Venus- Cupid linkage
Venus p Sun - Cupid linkage
- in their last book the Magi labelled the Cupid linkage as "romance-linkages", but since it doesn`t appear in the reports I guess that aspect has been degraded.

Chiron linkages: 3
Moon p Chiron
Neptune quinkunx Chiron
Pluto quinkunx Chiron

Chiron clashes: 1
Chiron square Mercury

sexual linkages: 2 - 4
Mars conjunct Pluto
Juno trine Neptune

Mars square Venus
Venus square Pluto
- both are actually clashes, but if two sexual clashes make one super sexual linkage, they would be one of those, wouldn`t they?

Juno linkages: 4
Moon cp Juno - intuitive bond. naturally intimate
Juno cp Pallas
Juno trine Neptune
Juno quinkunx Juno

Juno clashes: 3
Mercury square Juno
Pluto opposite Juno
Juno opposite Moon

No saturn linkages

Saturn - clashes: 4
Mercury cp Saturn
Mercury quinkunx Saturn
Saturn square Sun
Saturn square Mercury

- there is Saturn-balance, but it really doesn`t surprise me that most of the clashes concern the area of communication.

Jupiter linkages: 7 (including the loyalty - peace linkage of Venus-Jupiter)

Vesta linkages: 6 (including Moon-Vesta)

communication linkages: 2
Mercury p Vesta
Venus p Mercury

communication clashes: 4 ouch!
Mercury cp Saturn
Mercury quinkunx Saturn
Saturn square Mercury
- three times the "communication breakdown clash"
and additionally Chiron square Mercury

friendship linkages: 4
Sun p Vesta
Sun conjunct Vesta
Jupiter quinkunx VEsta - true friendship
Vesta conjunct Uranus: revolutionary friends. friendship on the wild side. Thelma and Louise (sounds exciting)

Power couple linkage: 1
Pluto quinkunx Moon
(Pluto is the focal planet of a yod between my Chiron and Moon to his Pluto)

Phew! And since it`s so much fun, I did another one on a celebrity and me (yes the one that I always take for learning synastry.

Cinderella linkages: 1
Chiron trine Neptune

Romance linkages 3 (5)
Venus p Neptune
Venus conjunct Neptune
Chiron trine Neptune

Sun p Venus
Sun conjunct Venus

Chiron linkages: 4
MErcury trine Chiron
Chiron trine Neptune
Ceres quinkunx Chiron
Uranus cp Chiron

Chiron clashes: 2
Uranus opp. Chiron
Chiron opp. Pluto

sexual linkages: 4-5 (I think)
Venus p Mars
Juno cp Pluto
Juno conjunct Mars
Juno p Uranus
Juno p Juno

Juno linkages: 5
Juno p Moon
Juno p Uranus - super sexual
Juno cp Pluto - super sexual
Juno p Juno
Juno conjunct Mars - super sexual

Juno clashes: 3
Mercury square Juno - impossible dream
Venus square Juno - Juno super clash, barrier to intimacy
(Saturn square Juno - it`s actually labelled a Saturn-Clash, not a Juno-clash)

- many strong Juno linkages as well as at least equal "turn offs"

Saturn linkages: 3
Venus cp Saturn
Saturn p Saturn
SAturn trine Moon

Saturn clashes: 8
Mercury cp Saturn
Jupiter cp Saturn
Saturn cp Mars
Saturn cp Neptune
Mercury quinkunx Saturn
Venus quinkunx Saturn
Jupiter opposite Saturn
Saturn square Juno

Not really Saturn balance:
Him: 5
Me: 7

Jupiter linkages: 3

Vesta linkages: 6

Vesta clashes: 2,
both are Vesta Super clashes

communication linkages: 2
Mercury p Vesta
Mercury trine Chiron - Understanding linkage

communication clashes: 2
Mercury cp Saturn
Mercury quinkunx Saturn
- seems I`m really hard to talk to. lol

friendship: 4
Sun p. Vesta
Jupiter p Vesta - true friendship
Vesta quinkunx Venus
Vesta quinkunx Uranus - friendship on the wild side

EDIT: What I find interesting is that in the report with P there are several dw`s:

posted November 12, 2007 12:36 PM            

what about juno conjunct saturn and
juno inconjunct venus
juno square asecendant.

I can find so little information on these aspects.

also juno square pluto DW.

if anyone could help i will do my best to help you in return...

posted November 12, 2007 12:54 PM              

his Chiron sextile my Venus (2), trine my Jupiter (1), opp my Uranus (2), quincunx my Neptune (1), quincunx my Pluto (1), trine my Juno (2)

posted November 12, 2007 01:16 PM              

Juno conjunct Saturn: this is a Saturn-bond and according to the Magi one of the only two Juno-aspects, that doesn`t cause a strong sexual attraction. But it does tie people to each other.

"juno inconjunct venus"
This is what they call the "ultimate sexual linkage " or the "orgasm linkage"; it makes two people desire each other endlessly, but they also claim that this attraction doesn`T last forever.

"also juno square pluto DW."
This is a Juno-clash, and is said to put a damper on the intimacy between two people.

But keep in mind, this isn`t necessarily true, just because the magi decide so.
In my book Juno-Pluto is always a very intense interaspect, and with the square the intensity may get a bit much at times.

Neptune Love:

Chiron trine Jupiter:
Cinderella and romance linkage; a good sign for a soulmate. Forgiveness linkage. A very good thing to have apparently, even though it doesn`t really enhance sexual attraction like other aspects,t oo. It`s more about compatibility, romance mixed with friendship, I guess.

Chiron opposite Uranus:
fluctuating relationship or even infidelity clash. Now, that is what Magi say; I don`t agree with this.
I think, first of all Uranus-Chiron is generational again. But then maybe the Uranus person challenges the Chiron-person in some way to grow faster than she or he would have wanted to. In this way this can be a fluctuating connection. If one person sais: Yes and then No, and then I don`t know.

Chiron quinkunx Neptune:
Cinderella and romance linkage; lifetime linkage; most romantic linkage; sign of a soulmate

Chiron quinkunx Pluto:
Cinderella linkage, but the least romantic of them.

Chiron trine Juno:
lifetime partnership; long term sexual attraction. It`s the strongest Juno-linkage next to Venus-Juno, which actually is even stronger concerning sexual attraction, but unlike Venus-Juno this one is lasting, because it is the only Juno-linkage that is a sign of love.

Chiron trine Mercury:
(orb can be up to 4° with planetary geometry):
understanding linkage; very good for communication

You have 3 Cinderella linkages, which is very good.

Juno trine Moon:
intuitive bond; naturally intimate; intimacy and sex is very likely if the two of you also share super sexual linkages (Juno-Venus; Juno-Mars; Juno-Pluto; Juno-Uranus; Juno-Neptune and I would even allow Juno-Chiron here)

"my Juno opp his Moon (2)"
emotional incompatibility clash; as great the linkage of Juno and Moon is, as horrible sounds the clash in their interpretation.
On the other hand, Magi astrology aside; I think that a dw of Juno-Moon is something wonderful to have.
For everyone else (except the Magi) Juno is the wife, as is Moon in a sense, so this aspect might enhance a wonderful nurturing, caring relationship.

Hope that helps

DD

, sextile his IC (3)

posted November 12, 2007 01:28 PM              

they don`t only use the geocentric, but also the heliocentric (longitudes and latitudes, not declinations!).
They claim that it`s just as important as the geocentric.
Orb for the helio longi is 3°, but orb for the latitude is only 0.3 which equals 0 degree and 18 minutes.

So, they just doubled the chance to find some more Heartbreak-clashes, Juno-clashes, but also Cinderella linkages and sexual linkages.

posted November 12, 2007 05:10 PM            

Very cool of you to take the time to post aspects for LoveGoblin.

(((((Mystique))))) LL is even brighter when you're here.

T/G What are you confused about? The aspects?

posted November 12, 2007 06:47 PM            

Diandra

you see your love has a trine of his Chiron to his Venus which shows already he is willing to be your love slave....lol!! I think that is a lovely natal aspect makes him comfy with intimacy, great for you
Your Chiron and Moon conjunction tells me you have the amazing ability to nurture with your love so that he and others will feel very safe and comfy in your presence. Your love is healing
This comes through even online by the way...you have a wonderful energy

Also see how transit Chiron was in your love houses when you guys met? Wonderful

posted November 12, 2007 10:20 PM              

A linkage is an interaspect between, say, one of your planets and his/her planets. More specifically, the parallel and the contraparallel (except for any Saturn contraparallels), the conjunction, the trine, and the quincunx (except for any quincunx involving Saturn).

I hope that made sense!

Oh, and the magi dub the Venus-Juno interaspect the "orgasm linkage". If two people so inclined have two or more of these, apparently the Magi think they can have ecstatic sex. Or something of the sort!