posted November 13, 2007 07:21 AM            

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T/G What are you confused about? The aspects?

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Oh, very much so Eighth Moon, lol - I can't get the hang of it at all!!!

posted November 13, 2007 11:11 AM              

I just like to share my knowledge and keep on learning through doing so. And I also want to give back some of the generous help I got here, and especially the help YOU sent me recently.

Neptune square Chiron:
It`s not called a "Soulmate"aspect, since the square is a clash-aspect, like the opposition. But if you see its rating, it`s not all that bad as I would have expected. And they say that even though it`s a turbulent aspect, there comes a certain attraction with it.

Regarding aspects and parallels / contraparallels.
ASpects are measured by the longitudes, whle parallels/ contraparallels are connection through the declination.

Every planet has:
1. a degree in the longitudes (measured by the zodiac like 7° Aries for example)
2. a degree in the declinations (for example 10°N).

It often happens that two planets are in longitudinal aspect (for ex. trine) and in declinational connection (parallel) as well.

Two planets which are conjunct sometimes are also parallel each other, which would strenghten the aspect a lot.
Imo there is an explanation why we sometimes feel wide-orbed aspects strongly - they may be parallel each other.

Two planets in opposition are also sometimes contraparallel each other.

But actually even if you have a trine or a quinkunx or a square, there can be a declinational aspect at the same time.

But on the other hand there is sometimes a declinational connection without a longitudinal aspect.
For example: My Jupiter on 11° Pisces and my Chiron on 20° Aries have no aspect to each other, but they are exactly contraparallel.

On the other hand, my Mars and my Neptune are widely conjunct (5°), and at the same time parallel each other - I think that strengthens the aspect.
It`s called a bilevel - aspect (because the aspect exists on the two levels - longitudes and declinations); and in the special case of two planets, which are conjunct AND parallel, the Magi speak of "planetary ecclipse".

DD

posted November 13, 2007 03:18 PM              

DD,

About the Neptune-kiron yup it may be a bit generacional i think - but i couldnt help on putting a big smile on my face after ive red thatīs a sign of SM - cause well - WE got it on sinastry! Hihihihi

Dont say that!! :P we do a lot things together without being the intimate Juno relationship..
About Juno yup,it also could relate to a very strong bond between 2 persons in marriage that makes the marriage itself very active in making love - Ive looked up on WIKIPEDIA it says:

"Even more than other major Roman deities, Juno held a large number of significant and diverse epithets, names and titles representing various aspects and roles of the goddess. In accordance with her central role as a goddess of marriage, these included Interduca ("she who leads the bride into marriage"), Domiduca ("she who leads the bride to her new home"), Cinxia ("she who loses the bride's girdle"). " - so i still dont get it why MAGI says that about Juno Linkages...

Its not bad being sexual though hihihi - it has its truths !

Yes you already know that from time to time we have those huge misundertsandings but then we fifgure all out and that also strehngs us.

I liked your 2nd repoirt better hihihi - so many Dwīs : i love the SM aspect of venus-pluto in yours.

Nad you talked about linkages i dint knew that seem so lovely: UNDERSTANDING;TRUE FRIENDSHIP;INTUITIVE...

One question about orbs: Magi only accepts up to 3šorb right? So,for example we also have the kiron-venus trine in a 6šorb. I know itīs a lot wider than what they accept but couldnt i consider that the effect is still there( although it can be felt more softened cause itīs wider than 3šorb?)

posted November 14, 2007 01:50 PM              

"e who leads the bride into marriage"), Domiduca ("she who leads the bride to her new home")"
WEll, maybe she has also a name like "she who leads the bride to the bridal bed", and only the Magi know about this one?
Well the last one about "she who loses the bride her girdle" may imply the sexual activity that is expected in the first night of marriage. In the old days women were expected to have sex for the first time in their lives the night after their wedding, so in this sense Juno may rule sex, too.

"I liked your 2nd repoirt better hihihi - so many Dwīs : i love the SM aspect of venus-pluto in yours."
Well, I guess I confused you with those reports. Just after I did the second one (on A) I realized that in the first one were all those DW`s. However I now checked the dw`s in both reports:

In the report with P:
Venus p Pluto / Pluto trine Venus
Jupiter cp Pluto / Pluto opposite Jupiter
Jupiter p Juno / Juno cp Jupiter
Saturn p Ceres / Ceres p Saturn
Pluto p Saturn / SAturn trine Pluto
Venus trine Vesta / Vesta quinkunx Venus
Jupiter sextile Vesta / Vesta square Jupiter
Saturn conjunct Pallas / Pallas square Saturn
Cres quinkunx Vesta / Vesta square Ceres

in the report with A:
Sun p Venus / Venus p Sun - I like that one
Mercury cp and quinkunx Saturn / SAturn square Mercury
Mars parallel and trine Pallas / Pallas parallel and trine Mars
Sun sextile Uranus / Uranus square Sun
Mercury sextile Moon / Moon trine Mercury
Venus sextile Jupiter / Jupiter quinkunx Venus
Mars quinkunx Jupiter / Jupiter trine Mars
Moon cp Juno / Juno opposite Moon

I think those are some DW`s. I checked the third report with that random celebrity, but in that report I found only 2 DW`s.

"estion about orbs: Magi only accepts up to 3šorb right?"
Yes, except if there is planetary geometry, then orb can be up to 4°.

I think you can consider wider orbs, but the wider the orb the weaker the aspect will be.

posted November 14, 2007 02:35 PM              

The Magi use the Heliocentric zodiac just like the Geocentric one in their interpretations. And they use it as a chart of its own, not in connection to the tropical.

So I started a Mini - mini - mini research. Because I thought if there was anything to that theory, our "celebrity-soulmate-couples" should have some Cinderella linkages in the HEliocentric, too.

Here are what I found:

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith:
Chiron trine Neptune

JOhnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis:
NEptune quinkunx Chiron
Neptune latitude Chiron
Jupiter cl Chiron

Johnny Cash - June Carter:
Neptune trine Chiron
Chiron latitude Venus

Paul McCartney - Linda Eastman:
Pluto conjunct Chiron
Chiron quinkunx Venus
(and they didn`t have any Cinderella - linkages in the geocentric, not even one!)

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward:
Venus quinkunx Chiron
Chiron latitude Neptune

Will Smith - Jada Pinkett (I know this is a new one in my list )
Chiron trine Neptune
Chiron latitude Venus

I thought it was interesting that every of these couples (except for Paul and Linda) had the Neptune-Chiron-linkage; most of them had the Neptune-Chiron - linkage even in both, geocentric and heliocentric (Antonio - Melanie; Johnny - Vanessa; Will - Jade) and those who hadn`t the Neptune-Chiron in both dimension had the Chiron-Venus in both dimensions; even Paul and Linda had a Venus-Chiron aspect in both dimensions, just in the helio it was a linkage (quinkunx) and in geo it was the activation (square).

DD

posted November 14, 2007 03:19 PM              

I totally forgot that Magi also uses the Helio..i guess my uncounscious kind of forgotten the Helio cause some time ago IQ said he didnt consider it once it has only to do with our individual Path and not in relationships - guess it could have said that cause Helio is supposed to be of the "Christ Counsciousness,within the indivual,shows the strenghsof virtue that we have individually.

I took a look to see if we have more clashes or Cinderellas,letīs see:

hIS Kiron trine my Merc(1)
His Kiron trine my Pallas(0)

My Kiron trine his Osiris(1) and widely conj his Valentine(4)

No Cinderellas here as i see

Jonnhy has his H.Valentine conjuncting his Kiron tight-might mean that through love he will have his wounds healed? And I have my kiron conj tightly my Eros ...

We have some Ssturn Clashes here though:

His Saturn skuare my Merc/Mars
My Saturn kikunkx his Erth/Moon - so also here we create that Saturn Balance that should be healthy in a relationship.

Our kirons are paralell
My Kiron is contra-paralell his Jupiter (0ī24)
My Kiron is paralell his Valentine(1ī04)

posted November 14, 2007 04:39 PM              

i also took a look at the transits of that day on the time we met:

- Kiron was in Aqua in the 5th house;
-NN was in the 7th house;
- T Node/Valentine was transiting the 7th;
- T Venus was in trine with Kiron(CINDERELLA)
- T Juno was conj Venus
- Eros was in trine with Psych
- Karma was in trine with VX
- Osiris was conj Isis exact

As for transits,T Kiron was also in trine qwith my AC(2š)

Valentine was conj his AC;
NN was in trine with his AC;
He was having a Cinderella - T.Pluto was kikunkx his Kiron(0š)
Another good aspect:T Kiron was in trine with his Sun;His Merc and his Psyche!

PROGRESSIONS

HIS

P Kiron was trine his Venus in 0š( CINDERELLA);Kikunkx his Pluto in īš (CINDERELLA) and conj his own Kiron(0š).

his N Kiron was kikunks P Sun(Linkage);Kikunks P Venus(another CINDERELLA),kikunkx P Pluto( another one)

Also, P Venus was conj his Saturn and Pluto!
ME

My N Kiron was in trine with Sun(LINKAGE)and in conjunct with VX
P Kiron was in trine with my Merc
I has a Dw on Venus-Neotune
P Karma was conj my Venus and my Valentine was conj P Karma
P AC was conj my Saturn exact

On the day of the chart that its rulling the relationship now:

-Venus was conj saturn conj Psych in the 7th;
-Kiron was in the 1st house;
-VX in the 7th,conj Psyche and Merc also;
- T Saturn was transiting 8th conjuncting Sun
- N Kiron was trine with Venus( CINDERELLA)..but clashing Saturn..

posted November 14, 2007 06:26 PM              

Looked at the synastry between me and an ex some 10 years ago. My Venus was square her Chiron. Which partner is most affected ? By means of information. I always thought there was something karmic like a life lesson and we were meant to meet for a short sweet but bitter while. She was kinda like a tornado through my life. Short and brief but devastating and taught me alot but it was pretty painful and scarred me(that's an under statement by the way). I have had nothing meaningful since relationship wise. Looking for something deep and only find shallow. Is that more Pluto's influence ?

I have an exact Venus trine Pluto and she had an exact Venus square Pluto. We both had a conjunct Mars in Pisces and she triggered some pretty moody Pluto hard aspects in my natal chart. It was a pretty hairy relationship which was short and sharp.

More a sexual rather than spiritual attraction and got caught up in the passion which turned to poison. I was nearly destroyed by the relationship.

Looking back I am glad I met her as she taught me alot. But it ended twisted like a tourniquet but I still remember her. Nothing seems as passionate since.

I cant but help think we were attracted because of the intensity of feeling but the hard venus/pluto can never be happy.

Any thoughts ? I tried to help her but I couldnt. Like it was doomed. I feel no recriminations now however.

Is this Chiron's or Pluto's influence ?

posted November 15, 2007 08:58 AM              

Well i consider lyself a newbie as well cause im not very good on interpreting..
But in your sinastries was there many saturn conecntions between it and the otherīs personal planets? Like skuares oposes or kikunkx?
As this is a thread relating to Magi astrology they deffend that Clashes betwenn saturn could make the relationship ending in bitterness between the two ( unless there is the so-called Saturn balance where both are the saturn and the passive person torwards the other)

I have with my bf the kiron skuare Venus.That creates also a bond and powerful attraction between both,itīs not so negative as you think off.Magi says thatīs the Impossible Dream cause both would end up creating ilusions that cant be fullfield by the other.
Kiron is all about heal and yup to do that it must reopen all wounds that we carry ( and also the ones we dont know it existed till then..) thatīs maybe why you felt it so much.

Pluto has more to do with the sexual part - and also the dominating and power theme youve talked about.See if you have many Juno Linkages also (they are also sexual..)

What more kiron aspects did you shared?
You say youve tried to help her..did you felt you had to? Had you had a powerful instinct to protec her from the world and in some sort be her saviour? - see if you have sun/moon aspects to NN and also neptune aspects to the personal planets.

See, when i first started looking at astrology i just focused on some aspects - this or that - but the secret is to look at the whole chart, including some asteroids also.
And if youre familiar to it,also look at the Draconic Charts where we can see if the person is conected to us from past lives also - helps a lot for us to i~understand some hidden patterns that this present life are somehow secret to us and we dont understand "why" some situations or behaviour occur

posted November 15, 2007 10:45 AM            

DD,
I'm not very familar with parallels at all, but from what you explained, would this be true?

posted November 15, 2007 12:13 PM              

yes, those are all parallel each other and would have an impact.

In fact there are some interesting and lovely linkages:

Chiron parallel Juno: longterm sexual attraction, and lifetime partnership linkage

Chiron parallel Mars: romance and sexual linkage; makes two people sexually attracted to each other and also romantically attached

Chiron parallel Sun: trust linkage, romance linkage. Chiron trusts the Sun (sometimes too much ); karmic bond;

posted November 15, 2007 02:49 PM            

I haven't looked much at paralells until you mentioned them in this thread
Thanks again

posted November 15, 2007 05:58 PM              

I agree with DD - you have some wonderful Linkages!

DD,
one thing ive remembered...can we look at Dracos at a Magi perspective?

My D Kiron trines his D Saturn(2š)
My D Kiron trines his D Moon(3š)
My D Kiron trines his D union(3š)

His D Kiron trine my D Pallas(3š)
His D Kiron trine my D Osiris(3š)
His Kiron kikunks my Uranus
His Kiron kikunks my D AC

posted November 15, 2007 07:03 PM              

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. Perhaps I should be on the Pluto/Venus thread instead of Chiron ! I just wondered if their was a connection with the venus square chiron between us.

Yes it was a very sexual relationship more than anything. Power struggles I suppose are a Pluto thing. A fundamental lack of spiritual/emotional understanding on both parts but it stirred up my deepest feelings. It was more like she was my nemesis but kind of we were meant to meet to work out karma. If you know what I mean ?!

My Pluto is heavily aspected in my natal chart. I have Moon square Pluto.Mars opposition Pluto.Sun trine pluto. Venus trine Pluto.

Maybe her Mars conjunct my mars and in opposition to my Pluto triggered off all these other aspects ?

I also met her when transiting Neptune was conjuncting my natal venus. Heady illusions and then disillusinment in the end ? And also transiting Mars was conjuncting my moon.

In answer to your question on why do I think I needed to protect her. Dont know why I thought I could do that. I just hate seeing people self destruct and want to help. Especially when something/someone stirs my feelings. I think this more a quality of my natal chart with the trine aspect and having Mars in Pisces and sun and venus in the 12th house.

But she was unsaveable in the end. Took me a while to realise some people are just "bad apples" and cant be saved. Have a read of Venus square Pluto aspect and you might understand why she was so destructive !

posted November 16, 2007 04:44 AM              

My Chiron is parallel my man's Venus and his North Node (all 0 deg.) - gathering from what has been said in this thread, this would be considered karmic (?).

BUT... HIS Chiron is contraparallel MY Venus - how to combine these two contradicting effects into an understandable explanation?

His Juno is parallel my Mars - does it matter which way it goes, i.e. if it's the man's Juno and the woman's Mars or should it be the other way around?

My Chiron trines his Neptune and Mars.

posted November 16, 2007 06:20 AM            

From the Magi perspective, the parallel and contraparallel are both considered linkages (positives) unless Saturn is involved. Your Venus contraparallel Chiron is considered a Cinderella linkage...and the best to have, especially since it's a two way linkage.

These linkages DO NOT override other aspects in your synastry, however. They simply become a basis for attraction, love, and possible marriage.

Traditionally, Chiron has to do with wounding/healing. On another thread, someone who uses declinations (parallels and contraparallels) consistenly said that she interps them as conjunctions or oppositions, in terms of how their energy plays out. In this case, your love would be a healing factor to him, whereas he may bring changes to your life that will transform you...and that doesn't always feel good.

Juno parallel Mars is a sexual aspect...a good one, regardless of which planet belongs to who. (Again, this is according to Magi.)

If the relationship is difficult, there are most likely other factors in synastry that are causing it.

posted November 16, 2007 06:56 AM              

This relationship is certainly a learning experience for us both, but probably even more for me.

I have only lately started to understand the Law of Karma. It seems we both have a heavy love karma from our past lives. My greatest and most difficult lesson is to understand that I am really worth someone's love and his being that he really needs love.

posted November 16, 2007 09:26 AM              

what you described really sounds like a heavy Plutonic theme.
Especially since her Mars triggered those Plutonic dynamic in synastry AND you`re both affected by Pluto natally, she more than you of course, or at least, in a more challenging way.
I have Venus square Pluto myself, and no, it`s not easy, it`s not pretty, even though I guess I am the one having the most trouble with it, instead of projecting it onto others (or I am just blind to myself doing so ).
But it always depends on the rest of the chart, on which houses are connected t hrough Venus and Pluto and so much more.

Diandra,
I don`t think the Magi look at the Draconics. It`s not part of their system, but of course we can research that.

DD

posted November 16, 2007 10:04 AM              

The Magi say that the chart of the first meeting is one of the most important charts for the relationship. First meeting means the first time you touched each other, like a handshake.

I thought I will do a little training with a first meeting chart of me and musicman (P). Coincidentally and very impulsively I asked him to shake his hand, when I first met him (Yes, I know it`s too embarassing ).
Back then I didn`t even know about the existence of Magi astrology and their take on what a first meeting chart is, but unknowingly I "natalized" our first meeting and therefor our "relationship" or "connection".
So I thought I`d take this one, becauser I so clearly know the time of our first handshake.

I will look at both, geocentric and heliocentric.

Geocentric chart:

Cinderella aspects:
Neptune parallel Chiron

Romance aspects:
Mars trine Chiron
Neptune parallel Chiron

sexual aspects:
Venus trine Juno
Mars trine Chiron
Pluto trine Juno

Vesta (friendship) aspects:
Neptune trine Vesta
Chiron quinkunx Vesta

communication aspects:
Neptune conjunct Pallas

clashes:
Venus square chiron: impossible dream (4°)
Mars square Neptune
Saturn quinkunx Chiron: heartbreak

So, what was that for a day? What energies did I unknowingly preserve in that meeting with him?

There was a mix of very good and very bad things.
The really good thing was the Neptune -Chiron - cinderella aspect. That day had the possiblities of a long lasting (Neptune) union (Chiron). (Chiron is not always symbolic of a marriage, but it always points to a connection, a relationship no matter if love-relationship or business-relationship or whatever).
So, whatever got natalized (born) on that very day would leave a long lasting impression.

The Mars-Chiron-trine sais that this connection (Chiron) would be quite energetic and enthusiastic. It also is often a sign of a strong sexual attraction between two people.

There were also two super sexual aspects in the sky: Venus trine Juno and Pltuo trine Juno. What does this mean?
Well, it means that most people have been more sexual than on other days, more interested in sex, more energy for it. I guess in this case we should substitute the word "sex" with the word "passion", because it contains more areas than just "sex".
HOwever, natalizing those aspects means, that whatever starts on such a day will be intensely passionate and more like a little bit obsessive. Maybe my overflowing enthusiasm and adoration?

The very good Vesta-aspects from Neptune and Chiron seem to imply that this day was good for starting a long lasting (Neptune) loving (Chiron) friendship (Vesta).

But of course there was someone who should spoil the fun at this day. It was a heartbreak-day after all (Saturn quinkunx Chiron and Venus square Chiron). And it`s true, my heart got healed and broken at the same time. It would be a day where there could be loss (Saturn-Chiron) and impossible dreams (Venus-Chiron). And actually it was the day I lost this impossible dream somehow. A day, good for the confrontation with reality.

Now the helio:

Cinderella linkages:
Venus trine Chiron

romance linkages:
Venus trine Chiron

sexual linkages:
Venus trine Juno
Chiron trine Juno
Mars contralatitude Uranus

Vesta linkages:
-

communication linkages:
Earth trine Mercury
Mercury contralatitude Chiron

clashes:
Saturn opposite Pluto

On that day there was a Grand Trine of Venus, Juno and Chiron in the sky. So I accidentally natalized the strongest aspects for romantic attraction and love (Venus-Chiron) and sexual attraction (Venus-Juno). lol

I also now understand why it was so easy to speak to him (I wouldn`t have done it at any other time I felt). There were two lovely communication-aspects.
Earth trine Mercury: A day (Earth) for communication (Mercury)
Mercury - Chiron: aspect of understanding

But of course the Saturn-Pluto-opposition spoiled much of the fun.
Another factor that was not good is the fact that there were no enhancement-aspects (conjunction, trine, quinkunx or parallel / contraparallel) to the Sun that day.
Sun symbolizes the day, the entitiy, in this case the meeting itself; and since there were no enhancement aspects in the geocentrics, there was no energy to that meeting, no real power.

But in the Helios there is very strong planetary symmetry including the EArth-Moon-complex (which apparently acts as a substitue for the sun, just a bit more important according to the Magi).
There was a Magi pyramid (at least three planets making an aspects in the latitudes) of Earth, Jupiter and Neptune.
A day or meeting (Earth) for long lasting (Neptune) happiness (Jupiter).

Overall this was the general athmosphere of that day.
Now, what the Magis also consider (and personally I think it is even more important than the chart of the day itself) are transits of each person to the first-meeting-chart.

Well, what I just explained, was true for every single breathing organism on this earth. To see if a meeting really has a meaning or what meaning it has, you have to look at the transits of every person.

posted November 16, 2007 10:56 AM            

I just did a fast check for myself and the man I married and:-

his Chiron was trine my moon,
sextile my mars
sextile my venus,
trine my neptune.
My Chiron was trine his asc.

We do have other aspects and house contacts that are usually considered to be indicators of marriage too.

posted November 16, 2007 11:43 AM              

"YOU WILL MEET AND/OR MARRY YOUR SOULMATE DURING YOUR CINDERELLA TIME
What this means is that if you are not having a Cinderella Transit when you meet someone, the chances are pretty high that the person you met is not your soulmate, no matter how many great the Linkages there are in your CAC."

"A HEARTBREAK TRANSIT is a sign of heartbreak. A Cinderella Transit is a sign of a romantic relationship. It COULD (not IS) also be a sign of your soulmate. When there are both transits at a time we meet someone, it means we are likely to experience both the romantic involvement and heartbreak. Together, a Cinderella Transit and a Heartbreak Transit are signs of a love union that will turn sour."

WEll, as mentioned previously, they make very absolute statements.
BTW Cinderella Transits are enhancement aspects of Transit Chiron to natal Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune or Pluto and enhancement aspects of Transit Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto to natal Chiron.

However, looking at musicman`s and my most important transits:

His transits:
GEO
Transit Chiron trine natal Pluto (exact)
Transit Venus quinkunx natal Neptune (exact)
Transit Venus contraparallel natal Mars
Transit Venus contraparallel natal Chiron
Transit Jupiter trine natal Chiron
Transit Pluto contraparallel natal Venus
Transit Saturn square natal Chiron

HELIO
Transit Earth trine natal Venus
Transit Earth quinkunx natal Jupiter
Transit Mars conjunct natal Juno
Transit Neptune trine natal Juno
Transit Saturn contralatitude natal Neptune

my Transits:

GEO
Transit Chiron conjunct natal Venus
Transit Venus trine natal Neptune
Transit Mars quinkunx natal Pluto
Transit Jupiter contraparallel natal Venus
Transit SAturn square natal jupiter
Transit Saturn opposite natal Neptune
Transit SAturn contraparallel natal Neptune
Transit Pluto trine natal Chiron

HELIO:
Transit Mars latitude natal Chiron
Transit Mars trine natal Pluto
Transit Pluto trine natal Juno
Transit Jupiter contralatitude Earth (and Mars)
Transit Neptune contralatitude Earth (and Mars)
Transit SAturn contralatiutde Neptune

So, as you can see he was having several Cinderella aspects, just as I was.

Cinderella Transits (his first)
Tr Chiron trine Pluto - TrPluto trine chiron
Tr Venus cp Chiron - Tr Chiron conj. Venus
Tr Jupiter trine Chiron

Heartbreak-transits:
TrSaturn square Chiron (his)
Tr Saturn cp Neptune (his / helio)
TrSaturn square Jupiter (mine)
Tr Saturn opp / cp Neptune (mine)
Tr Saturn cp Neptune (mine)

Apparently we were having a lot of the same Cinderella transits (Venus-Chiron; Chiron-Pluto) AND three of the worst Transits you can imagine according to Magi, with a predominance of the Saturn-Neptune-clash.

There is some speciality about Transits Magi-style though. They only consider Transits as they are applying and a short time after they have peaked (become exact). They claim that a Transit is the strongest 3 days before and 3 days after exactness.

Now, looking at the first meeting chart, the Saturn-Chiron-quinkunx has already been separating and has been well out of the "Magical time" (those 3 days of its peak).

Also, The Heartbreak-Transit to his chart has already been separating, way out of the Magical Transit time, so no longer valid.

The square to my Jupiter and opposition to my Neptune was applying though, and therefore very valid.
Transit Saturn was also applying to an exact conjunction with my SN.

EDIT:
BTW regarding those horrible Transits I`ve had (according to Magi) - the Saturn-Jupiter-square and the Saturn-Neptune-opposition, which actually formed a T-square with the meaning of Tragic loss (Saturn) of longevity (Neptune) and happiness (Jupiter) - just one possible interpretation.
HOwever, I have a natal Jupiter-Neptune-square and Saturn was EXACTLY (0°00) equally distant from an opposition to natal Neptune and a square to natal Jupiter three weeks after that meeting, and it was the very day (or night) that a good friend of mine died in a horrible motorcycle accident, and it took me a long time to somehow deal with this and move on with my life; and during that time I didn`t feel the slightest inclination to go back and see musicman again, letting many chances pass away, because I was paralysed with shock.