posted October 11, 2014 04:08 PM            

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I have North Node conj Lillith exact in my 8th. Kaali conjunct Moon exact in my 9th. I am a Kundalini Yoga instructor & this post made me all giddy inside!! Kundalini rocks!!!!

Y'all need to be practicing some Kundalini Yoga!!! I keep seeing Kundalini references on LL, it's awesome!! Please please find a class!!

Also, tantra is a blanket term in Kundalini, I encourage you to also delve into the different forms of tantra. Red tantra (sex), white tantra (union), black tantra (misuse of kundalini, or I like to think of it as black magic). I am not well versed on the three forms, mostly white because they practice it at summer solstice & it is taught prevelantly. As you probably know, Kundalini in itself is not a sexual energy & tantra is not sexual in nature. However SEX can be used as a vehicle to achieve divinity. White Tantra would be the most widely used for union of polarities, and you don't even touch your partner in White Tantra (from what I remember). Iin practice, your partner MUST be the opposite sex.

There are very wonderful & simple breath sequences (pranayama) which can bring Ida and pingala into balance. When I get time I should post for those who are interested.

I remember when I used to work at a bank, a fellow employee found out I taught kundalini. He did some Googling and his old baptist self was mortified! Snake!!! She's harnessing snake power! Out came the torches & pitchforks!

Lol - so he felt the need to FIND me and tell me that I was practicing satan energy yoga. I about died laughing!! Watch out, I'm gonna get you!!!! The funny part, I was hated on a LOT for this practice no one understood. By the time.i quit my job, both my boss & another coworker were regularly practicing Kundalini.

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Hi 12th house gal,

posted October 11, 2014 05:56 PM            

With all this Kaali Kundalini Shakti talk, google Aadi Shakti meditation (celestial communications). You will LOVE it. It is hands down one of my favorites, especially for the divine feminine.

That is excellent that you do the practice daily! Keep up & you will be kept up as Yogi B used to say. It's neat to hear your perspective on Lilith too. Glad we connected. I met a good friend who LOVES Lilith, she really "awakened" me to her & honestly I love her too. I guess because my NN is there I really need to move towards her in some way, but I fear that connection.

Also Pallas & the third eye PLEASE tell me more about that!!! I have Pallas conj MC with Proserpina up there too! I do a lot of Shamanic journeying. "Seeing" in the dark & the lower worlds is a big theme for me. Do you have info on that connection? I would love to hear more!!!!

When you do Kirtan, even though it's uncomfortable at first, try rolling your eyes up & in at the third eye point. It activates the pituitary & is excellent for balancing the third eye. I hate doing it because it feels weird, but it does work.

posted October 13, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
That's awesome!! Yay for Kundalini Yogis!! Kirtan Kriya rocks, Sa Ta Na Ma is one of my favorite mantras. I used to teach it often. Have you listened to any Kirtan music? There are some really great recordings of Sa Ta Na Ma! I use them in practice & also love to play them in my home.

With all this Kaali Kundalini Shakti talk, google Aadi Shakti meditation (celestial communications). You will LOVE it. It is hands down one of my favorites, especially for the divine feminine.

That is excellent that you do the practice daily! Keep up & you will be kept up as Yogi B used to say. It's neat to hear your perspective on Lilith too. Glad we connected. I met a good friend who LOVES Lilith, she really "awakened" me to her & honestly I love her too. I guess because my NN is there I really need to move towards her in some way, but I fear that connection.

Also Pallas & the third eye PLEASE tell me more about that!!! I have Pallas conj MC with Proserpina up there too! I do a lot of Shamanic journeying. "Seeing" in the dark & the lower worlds is a big theme for me. Do you have info on that connection? I would love to hear more!!!!

When you do Kirtan, even though it's uncomfortable at first, try rolling your eyes up & in at the third eye point. It activates the pituitary & is excellent for balancing the third eye. I hate doing it because it feels weird, but it does work.

Love that you posted & that we've connected! Hurray!

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Hi!

Thank you for the information on that meditation, I will check it out. I do try to roll my eyes up and look through my third eye but it is difficult. Sometimes though it is just a natural urge to do it, which is typical of a kundalini rise, like positioning yourself into yoga positions without thought. Sometimes when I am meditating with my thumb and index finger together it is hard tobreak them apart, I have to really force, lol. Kundalini is a strange thing!

One of the things the asteroid Pallas Athene rules is the third eye. When I met my twin flame Pallas Athene was very strong. Kaali too, which rules kundalini and BML which also effects kundalini. I have Pallas conjunct my DSC (not surprising since I was woken by a person), opposing my Moon and trining my Sun. It also squares my MC/IC. So, good positions for intuition and psychic abilities. Transiting Kaali is in Pisces where I have a lot of stuff, DSC, NN, Ramachandran, Pallas and Eros. She went over these points once and now is retrograding back over them. This transit has really awaken my intuition. I would say with Pallas on your MC you would help awaken peoples third eye which fits since you teach kundalini yoga! Proserpina also gives psychic abilities. Do you feel that is true? There is another post by Venus De India where she likens the IC to the root chakra and the MC to the crown chakra. With Pallas/Proserpina there then the meaning could be you are destined to awaken your psychic abilites by connecting through the crown chakra. I like her take on that because when I went through my awakening I had Jupiter exact on my MC and Vishnu on my IC by 40 minutes.

I use Sa Ta Na Ma music when I meditiate because it is easier than trying to count or time. I listen to a lot of mantras with music, like Krishna Das. Last week, on the anniversary of Yogi Bhajans death, I went to a gong bath. It was so cool!

Why do you fear your Lilith connection? Which Lilith are you using?

posted October 15, 2014 10:26 AM            

This post totally made me investigate a LOT in my chart, and now I can see that Kundalini is very much a central theme in my chart.

Before I start though - I love Gong baths! Mehtab (he owns Yoga Yoga in Dallas & is a Vedic Astrologer), came to our studio here in town when we got our big Gong & did a big Gong training session. I have no clue how to use it, wasn't able to make the session, but those who did use the gong in their classes for Savasana! So at our studio we all kind of get a Gong bath at the end of each class. It is unreal!! We have a local Drum shop in town that has a gong room and they will do sessions with their grandaddy Gong which is HUGE! It's so cool!!!! I love that you got to do that on YB's birthday!

Now onto the good stuff....

So yes it would be BML. To be honest I have no clue why I am hesitant to connect with it. Honestly I don't really even know how to connect with that energy! I love to study so I've been reading as much as I can about Lilith, which has helped. However it would be safe to say that I have never been one to put "me" first. You could say I have been living the Eve, or OVERLY living Eve, Lilith... not so much. Ask me to empower myself and I will be like "huh?" - I have suffered/struggled with depression, anxiety, low self esteem, nearly my entire life, and add the whole sexual aspect in there (which I was scolded for as a child) and yeah, we have a very repressed Lilith.

Lilith is conjunct my NN in the 8th House of my chart. Now I did have someone that I am close to sort of "wake up" Lilith for me (or begin to at least), but this person is not someone I could explore the sensuality of Lilith with as they are nearly 35 years my senior, and they are married. Poor guy has no clue his effect on me but lord have mercy am I just swimming in it. It's SUPER 8th House stuff. I have been meaning to post a followup on this person/situation for Astro Keen in Interpersonal Astrology. So look for that story in the next week or so! Ha! He's the Siva to my Kaali

Now since you mentioned Pallas Athena connected to the 3rd Eye I began going crazy researching her. HOLY WOW. I would agree Athena/Minerva and Lilith/Kaali are all most certainly connected. I embrace Kaali & Athena/Minerva, Lilith I am not so sure about how to embrace it. So many of her myths and tales are associated with demonic mating, sacred sensual female empowerment, taking no sh*t, not being subservient. This is a theme in my life, being subservient to EVERYONE (without people even having that expectation). I have a 12th House Mars and it is very VERY hard for me to even be assertive, so I know I need to connect with Lilith but how? I also married someone who is not a very sexual person, god bless him. This is one I'll just have to figure out.

This should be noted, Lilith has a strong connection with demons in her mythology. When I was little, my nanny busted me for drawing all these REALLY sexually explicit drawings (that seriously a kid should now have any awareness of). I was not sexually abused, I just was hyper sexual. I had an obsession with divine mating/union from an early age. It was brought up in therapy (we were already in therapy for our messed up family), but after a few more "problems" with me my mom hit her wits end and found an excorcist! SERIOUSLY. I was actually taken to a Baptist Exorcist when I was about 9 or so, and was told that I had "demons" inside of me. I had to endure repeated sessions, which were attempts to get the demons out. The dude was WACKO that held the sessions, like if I asked to go to the bathroom he would say things like "pee out the demons!" He also would look into my eyes and tell my mother to look and would say "You see the light in her eyes? Thats demonic". Super weird, I had to go through a lot of therapy in my early 20's to get over it, but now I just think it makes a great story - I don't think I had demons (and there is no convincing me that I did have demons). I think my parents had no idea what to do with their kid, and I was blamed for a lot of dysfunction in my family (A LOT). I'm the black sheep for sure. However I find this extremely interesting given the NN connection and Lilith's sexual/demonic connection. Just think it should be noted.

I found this interesting in my chart. The asteroids connected with Persephone and asteroids connected with Athena make notable connections in my chart:

Pallas Athena ☌ MC (9h)
Proserpina (26) ☌ MC (10h) - MC hits their midpoint
Minerva ☍ Kaali/Moon Conj
Persephone ☌ Mercury/Mars (I have a 29 degree Mercury in Leo my 12th House so it's a Regulus conj)
Proserpina (h57) ☌ Pluto in Scorpio (2h)
Pluto/Proserpina (h57) ☌ South Node (wide orb though 6 degrees - I like using tighter orbs in my natal chart, but I wanted to note that)
BML ☌ North Node (8h)

I also think it should be noted that I have the Galactic Center conj my IC (3 degree orb) in my 4th house. Although this may have nothing to do with anything, referencing your IC/Root Chakra & MC/Crown Chakra (which I read that post on Sunday randomly, how cool you referenced it!!), I would definitely think it plays a part. Galactic Center at the foundation, Pallas Athena/Proserpina at the Crown.

Either way, there is a major theme of Kundalini in my chart with the Athena/Minerva/Kaali placements aspecting my moon/angles/8thHouse/Pluto. I also think the Proserpina/Pluto in Scorpio Conj is cool.

Now when I was born, my mom loves to tell this story. I had a big knot on my forehead at my third eye point. It was so noticeable that the pedicatrician brought in a pediatric plastic surgeon to consult my parents. It was just this big bump. I wound up growing into it, BUT mom to this day says "I know that was your third eye!". I had a really wonderful psychic once tell me that my third eye was like overdrive. Maybe I just came into this world with it open? Who knows!

Neptune in my 4th House also trines my ascendant (it conjuncts my GC - so the GC is at the midpoint of Neptune/IC). GC also opposes my 10th house Proserpina. As for psychic abilities, I dont really know? Honestly I am not one to tout abilities. I actually don't like saying "yes I am psychic" or "yes I have an open third eye" it just feels weird to say that. I have a total fascination with death, and actually have a strong desire to be with people when they cross over. That is part of my Shamanic work that i would like to do one day, but I intuitively know that now is not the time for psychopomp work. I even researched being a death dula!! I have a very deep fascination with helping a soul transition, and believe that much work can be done in the ethers for lost souls. I do journeywork now for trade (I do not and will not refer to myself as a Shaman), so I already have a connection with "seeing in the dark".

posted October 15, 2014 06:11 PM            

Owning our Shadow Side

Every possible energy exists and needs to be acknowledged and accepted for us to find balance and wholeness in our lives. Any quality or energy that you are not allowing yourself to experience or express will come up inside and may be felt as conflict or a sense of "flip-flopping" or polarizing opinions within you. It will come up around you too, at work, at home, in your relationships, and will continue to trigger you or be an issue for you, until you recognize it as a part of you. Once you recognize it, you can begin to accept it and integrate it into your personality and your life.

Many people who are involved in personal growth become very identified with the energies and qualities that they think of as being "spiritual" - peaceful, loving, giving, and so on. In attempting to develop these aspects of themselves, they often deny and disown other aspects of themselves, they often deny and disown other aspects that they consider to be "unspiritual" - aggression, assertiveness, gut-level honesty, human vulnerability. Unfortunately, this simply creates a huge shadow side within them, which contributes to the collective shadow of denied energies in our world.

For some, it can be quite shocking to realize that if we over-identify with peace and love, and disown our inner warrior, we are not contributing to world peace. Quite the opposite, in fact. If we don't own our inner warrior and channel him into a constructive way in our lives, he retreats into the shadows of our individual and collective psyche, and actually contributes to the perpetuation of war on our planet.

If we are seeking inner peace, we must do the difficult and fascinating work of discovering and appreciating all aspects of who we are - truly making peace with ourselves. Consciousness is becoming aware of the many energies within us and accepting the essence of each quality. Exploring and embracing our darkness is the only way we can truly live in the light"

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So to me, not only on a personal level but on a grand scale, Lilith would represent the shadow female. The female that is repressed. She retreated TO the shadow, to the demons & the darkness. She is the woman who said "I will not be conquered or dominated". She is a collectively denied feminine energy (which collectively contributes to the issue of feminine inequality in my opinion). She is a denied feminine energy within me as well.

Would you say that is a fair assessment of Lilith? BML is afterall the shadow of the moon correct? If the Moon is akin to the mother, feminine, water, shadow, then Lilith is the shadow of the shadow. The denied shadow aspect of that. Correct? I hope I'm getting this right!

I have always been one to believe that you cannot just live "light and bright", and the shadowy darkness within us must be both faced and embraced. However with my "fear" of connecting with Lilith, it is a fear of what was written above in my opinion. Now I think I'm understanding this to a certain degree

posted October 16, 2014 09:20 AM            

It is no wonder you have difficulty connecting to Lilith after this exorcism happened to you. That is f'ked up! You may think you're over it but I doubt it. That is going to take some work.Lots of kids think about sex at that age. My guess is that you had visions and imaginary friends when you were young too, perhaps before you can remember and your parents put an end to that too and that is why you won't fully accept your spiritual gifts either. And you DO have them, I've no doubt about it. I went to a psychic who channeled my Mother and my mother said that when she was little she saw visions but her family told her that was bad so she did the same to me. She said all the woman in our family have the gift.

Your chart is very cool. Could you please post it incuding the ones you discussed and include Hekate 100, Reiki 5239, karma 3811and if you can fit Anubis 1912. I think the Persephone you are using is the one that belongs to the trans-Neptunian hypothetical planets. I believe there are two Proserpinas and two Persephones. I'm not sure if it matters which ones you use.

Your Nodes are showing this Scorpio/8th house/Lilith energy is very important to your life path. In your past life you experienced this tranformative, deep soul union with someone as represented by Pluto/Persephone. In this life your NN is telling you to work towards 8th/Lilith. Probably through meeting someone from your past life that will activate this energy for you. This man you talked about could be that catalyst but I suspect someone else will follow if you can't persue a relationship with him. Did you post a synastry with him?

All your life you have been told this Lilith energy is negative, demonic ! As for marrying someone that isn't interested in sex, I am in the same boat. When kundalini is activated though this becomes difficult. Although in my situation I am no longer interested in that kind of relationship with my husband. I'm glad you found this article. Your interest in death is not surprising given your chart either. This is surely a life path for you. Helping people transition is very noble!

Meditating with Sa Ta Na Ma is what really opened up my third eye. I always thought when the pineal gland was activated I would see spirits and have OBE's and things. It has actually been very different. I am just very connected to spirit, I get good guidance, I can connect with my spirit guide and am developing a telepathic connection with someone. When I first had kundalini activated I had several past life flashbacks but that hasn't happened recently. I have no doubt I will become more psychic has time progresses, when spirit deems me ready. How does this meditation work for you?
I haven't gotten to your other meditation yet, I will try to today. That is cool about the gong bath! At my studio they do it once a month. It went on for about 20-25 minutes though. It felt so amazing! I'm going every month now. Plus there were only about 5 of us there for it, so they did it in a very small room to really fet the vibrations.

posted October 17, 2014 05:28 PM            

Now the synastry with the older man I am referring to, I am going to repost that in Interpersonal with a bit of history. I need to do it, I've been putting it off. I actually prophecized our meeting when I was little. I would say that it was a situation where, it was like one day the light turned on for me? Like the day before I could have really given two hoots about him. Then I was around him, he said one sentence and BOOM I was flooded with all this energetic memory (if that's how you can even describe it). It also has a very taboo nature to it, big 8th House themes because, according to societal norms this is NOT FREAKING NORMAL.

There have been times in his presence that the feeling was so intense, beyond anything I have felt, electric, that I was afraid to look at him or even afraid that other people could "sense" what I was feeling. But I don't know how you can stand next to someone and feel that, but they wouldn't feel that too? Not that I would want him to feel that way towards me because then things would get weird. BUT I have been trying to figure this out for a WHILE. I would imagine he would have to on SOME level be GENERATING some of that energy. The experience has made me teeter totter back and forth between thinking I am absolutely insane and feeling like on some level he and I have some kind of massive karmic bond. I am very hard on myself so I tend to think "Woe is me, it's all my fault, I'm a nut job, I'm terrible".

I was also going to post my Kundalini story for another person who requested it, after responding to a post in the Kaali asteroid thread. Honestly these are all tied together, it's almost like I could make one big post! lol - I should change my name on here to "the novelist" because it's like a write friggin' novels when I post!!! But I did promise to post some of my notes from teacher training which addresses the fears and "dangers" of Kundalini and Kundalini Yoga in another area. So I need to get to posting that too! When I write, I WRITE, and then I edit the hell out of what I've written, so it takes me forever to just post one thing.

When you said someone else may follow, I wonder the same thing. I don't know what this is all about. Perhaps my next step is really to post this story about this man and our charts, and our story. It is seriously like a story at this point, and I have actually considered writing it into some kind of story (but my husband would NOT be happy about that).

And thank you for reading all of this and being so nice and willing to read all of this with me!! Seriously awesome of you, I mean that. I hope I'm able to return the favor somehow

posted October 17, 2014 08:35 PM            

Pluto is a little wide like you said. Pluto/Persephone/Union (in Scorpio) are opposed to the Moon/Kaali cj though. I still think I would interpret this as someone coming to wake you up. Pallas/Proserpina cj MC. You are willing to show this side of yourself in public. You have Anubis/BML/NN/Reiki all in the 8th. Anubis is retro. You aren't afraid of death or darkness. Sun is trining NN/Lilith and squares Chiron/Uranus. Pallas trines Juno. Hekate sextile Pallas and Juno. Three strong female energies. Have you studied Hekate? Hekate can move between worlds. She is a factor in transformations. She helps people transition to the underworld.

There is a lot here referencing death, sex, merging like you said. Your a deep person aren't you! Plus you have transiting Saturn cj natal Saturn and Kaali is transiting around your Vertex right now.

Lets talk about this guy, lol. Were you awake when you met him or did he create an awakening in you? Where does kundalini yoga fit into your awakening? A lot of what you said is similar to me meeting my TF. I know a lot of people say they are tf these days but I really am. I am going to post on all this soon. Now, I'm not saying you are a TF but nothing you could say could be stranger than my own experience or others I have heard. I'd like to see the synastry. As far as both of you being married, I'm married and so is my TF. These things don't matter much in the big picture. Nor does age, looks, etc. if we are talking about soul connections. If you felt the energy that strongly he probably did too, although sometimes if it is a catalyst situation they might not. Sometimes catalysts wake you up so you can start getting ready for another. Sometimes there isn't much of a way to tell between catalysts and soulmates. You said you dreamed about this guy, did you have past life recalls? It might show in the synastry. In our charts, it shows a mutual awakening occuring, where a catalyst would be one way.

I definitely see that whole episode in your younger days as part of your growing experience. That all fits with all these things in your chart. Do you ground yourself and protect yourself?

I need to think more on this stuff. There is already a post by IQ on the Pitfalls of kundalini yoga in the Spider Line. You should probably post there. IQ knows more about this stuff than anyone here. He has helped me with some of this stuff. I don't mind helping. I find this stuff fascinating.

posted October 17, 2014 08:49 PM            

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Thanks, KM!

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posted October 17, 2014 11:10 PM            

This is the interesting thing about the MC conjunctions. I actually used to be TERRIFIED to show that side of myself in public but I am finally getting to a place where I'm not as much. YES it is how i want to leave my legacy, it is how I want to do my work in life and how I want to be known and referred to, but jumping this hurdle of "I like death & journeywork" is not normal in the south where I live, but we're getting there! Generally talking to people about being fascinated with death is seriously weird anyway, but I am. Interestingly enough, this past year a family asked me to teach Kundalini Yoga to their dying son. He had a very advanced stage of liver cancer. To be honest I didn't really think Kundalini was appropriate and I told them that, but I did offer to teach him Shamanic Journeying because I wanted him to connect to his allies, so that was the plan. Even stranger, within the same week that they asked me (and I agreed), my 11 year old cat died and her death hit me MEGA hard. She was with me through a very VERY rough time in my life (like I wasn't homeless, but imagine the connection a homeless man has with his dog, like we went through sh*t together). It was very unexpected how hard I would take her dying, and I did not feel that it was appropriate for me to teach this young man at the time, considering how awful I was feeling regarding death. It was very interesting though that others sensed I was OK with death in general. Actually, there is a Jewish tradition to bring a body home after death (I don't know much about it), but the body is cared for and oiled and held in the home (not in a morgue). I would totally do that, and care for a dead body. Now I am going to study Anibus more. One of my primary spirit allies in THIS world (not in the ethers) is a Raven. When I went through my major shift, Raven came to me in a major way in the physical world.

I'm going to do this, because now that I am working through this with you and have been working through Kundalini posts it's all connected (of course it is!! it all is ahh!!). My awakening story is PART of this story, so I'll post it all in Interpersonal. It's going to be long, but I really think writing it out will be good for me. I'll also share the synastry on there too, including his natal.

Sex, death, journeying into the otherworlds, and magical merging. I am TOTALLY going to research Hekate. Abso-friggin-lutely!!! <3 <3

As far as the awakening, actually when I first met him NO, because I met him over 10 years ago when I started dating my husband. When the feeling ignited that day (which I will describe) YES I was already awakened. The man he is now is very different from the man he was when I met him. He in a way has transformed as well (and I watched that, and everyone else did and NOTICED which is weird). HOWEVER my transformation started around the time I met him I guess, now that I actually think about it.

As far as grounding and protection, I chant Aad Guray Nameh daily (actually sometimes 4-5 times daily). It is probably one of my most used mantras. If I do any kind of journeywork, I have a bad*ss body protector that comes in to be by my side. I also have a wonderful healing animal ally that accompanies me on all my spiritual work if I work with someone else. I work with animal spirits but I will greet and meet any energy that comes to me in a journey. Now grounding, I need to ground. I don't do it enough, with the active intention of grounding, and active visualization.

I want to know your story too!! Please share it, I would love to know about it and read it and reciprocate this wonderful attention you have given me!! lol - I feel like I've made a good friend so thank you

posted October 18, 2014 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
You are always welcome Randall but why are you thanking me?

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posted October 19, 2014 07:56 AM            

I love your story is is so cool. Often these things we have in our charts must be grown into. I think I am quite a bit older than you and I am still growing into my chart and trying to figure out what I want to do to help. I'm going to be taking Reiki training next month. I've been wanting to do it for a while but my husband and others keep talking me out of it. I have been sensing for a while though that I have good healing abilities and now that I have connected with a lot of other TF's I see a good majority of them are healers of one kind or another.

I have to be careful these days when I talk about death with people or when someone dies. I just don't think about it the same way. I used to be terrified, TERRIFIED, of dying. I'm not anymore. I have recall of other timelines and I've read several good books on NDE, and life between life recall and I know death isn't the end but just another transition. A wonderful transition. This has a lot to do with religion too. Most people are afraid to die because they are afraid to go to hell. So when people die I'm not that sad anymore. Yes, of course it is said for us here on Earth who will miss them. People who aren't awake though could just see me as insensitive if I am not careful. I think it is great what you are willing to do and much needed. Yoga can be good for the terminally ill because it helps get out of our minds and focus. It is another form of meditation really. Normally I wouldn't recommend trying to force kundalini activation but I imagine a kundalini activation is a naturally occuring event at the end of life to help with fear and transitioning back to spirit. You will have to tell me more about this Shamanic journeying. A friend of mine was explaining that she goes to see a shaman who investigates her other lives and things. It sounded way cool.

This is interesting with hour FIL. Perhaps what was happening is your vibration was rising and so was his and eventual you both connected in the 4th or 5th dimension were the connection became more spiritual. Does that make sense? I think you said your husband was not awake. What does he think about you and what you want? What does he think about your FIL? Well, is it obvious this transformation with your FIL? I saw your post in the asteroid forum about the Child/DNA connection. That is probably a sign that you have all been together before. That is interesting that it only shows with an opposition though. I've been working on some other stuff relating to those two asteroids among other ones.

You definitely should study Hekate and Anubis. They will really help you. I've seen a really strong Hekate in people that are psychic. I can't see how that Juno fits in with Pallas/Hekate except through partnership. Will you teach me this way you protect yourself. Do you just have to chant that mantra? If there is something you would rather not post here maybe we could exchange emails through Randall or another mod. I'm not sure what the rules are for that. Oh, BTW, I started writing a book about my experience too, lol!

posted October 19, 2014 08:03 AM            

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For helping out. You, too, 12th.

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posted October 20, 2014 11:50 AM            

I jumped over to iQ's thread, and read many of those articles that were linked over. I also scanned through a really long thread where the poster asked his opinion on Kundalini awakening, and if they were actually experiencing an awakening. I say this in the nicest of ways, but I do disagree with the idea that psychosis and death can be caused with Kundalini. I would really like to see legitimate cases that prove evidence of this fact. I think because I have watched SO many people through classes and my studio talk about awakenings, practice the yoga, go through the trainings, that I think it is just superstition at this point. I don't see any evidence or facts, and if someone does reference a person it's a story heard by a mother's friend's brother. For example, when I went through one of my biggest "downloads" or "shifts", I read a story on one of these sites about Kundalini Yoga dangers, where a child had supposedly gotten his hands on a KY manual. He practiced in secret and because he did not practice "right" his parents found him in a paralyzed state. That one made me about spit my drink out of my mouth, it was so out there!! I think psychosis and death (which I would assume would be at the hands of the individual "waking up"), is NOT the fault of Kundalini or Kundalini Yoga. This is just my opinion as someone who practices, teaches, and studies this form of Yoga. For thousands of years it was held to be a very secretive practice, which I think didn't help. If it's a secret, you leave the public to make their own assumptions of such a "secret" practice. Yogi ended that when he brought it to the west in the 60's. He was a master of KY by the time he was 14 I think?

Actually Jung was referenced several times in one of the websites that was linked over to that post, excerpts from his book "Memories, Dreams, Reflections" which I have read about halfway through (and still need to finish). I also happen to disagree with Jung. There needs to be a very distinct separation between what might prompt "psychosis and death" and the actual practice & energy itself. The energy is powerful, I am very close to it, actually as weird as this sounds it is just natural to me. It's a part of me? It's so strange to read experiences where people feel so "separate" from Kundalini. It's just us and a part of us. It's everything.

I think it is our OWN thought form, our OWN creations and our own energetic makeup that does this. We chose this life to enter, we chose this signature vibration & energy body. We, as human beings, have absolutely no clue how powerful our thought forms are. After studying Shamanism for several years, I believe the "crisis" is experienced due to "soul loss" and trauma, NOT because of Kundalini energy. I may get "dogged" for that, but it's just the way I feel based on my studies. I have a very different perspective on opening Chakras, and chakras in general too. I do Chakra energy readings in my journeywork for others, and find that "opening/closing" is not the right lingo if the goal is to strengthen a particular Chakra or understand why one needs attention or work. Chakras are like our own energetic antennae, they open and close with intention/visualization. I would say "detoxifying/cleaning out/strengthening/toning" is better lingo. We're all psychic in our own way. We're all hardwired for this work. We just have to tune into it, clear out the junk, and get to using it. I think most people are truly not familiar with the energy body enough to understand some of this in it's pure form. I also think a lot of this is MUCH more simple than we make it out to be. It really truly is. The biggest hurdle is trusting ourselves.

I'm going to make a post about my Kundalini experience, and my experience with the Yoga practice. I don't want to come across as a know it all whatsoever, because I am relatively new to the practice in comparison with my elders. I also don't claim to be the end all of this study or this energy, since I totally honor and acknowledge all areas of study and beliefs. I do want to share my experiences and my notes from training, which addresses the so-called "dangers". The next time you take a class at the studio, discuss the dangers of KY with your instructor (who I would assume is either 3HO certified or certified through my program RaviAna), and I would be very surprised if they agreed there was a danger. Many of my fellow teachers (including me) get irked when we hear people touting dangers, we just think it is completely invalid, as we have done a lot of the actual work. For example, Kirtan Kriya. For a healthy individual Many people who preach dangers on these sites do not have a steady practice, have never been to a class, nor do they have any familiarity with the intricacies of this lineage of Yoga.

When I decided not to teach the young man who was dying, I decided to do so because he was hooked up to too much to do the breathing, and could not move his torso at all. Mantra was OK, and other things, but any kind of movement was not going to be OK with his doctor. So I had to get creative considering the liabilities involved. Kundalini is a pretty out there practice!

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I did a bit of research and discovered that the asteroid Circe (Hekate's daughter) also forms a 1degree conj with my Kaali Moon! Here is a bit about Circe: "KIRKE (or Circe) was a goddess pharmakeia (witch or sorceress) who lived with her nymph attendants on the mythical island of Aiaia. She was skilled in the magic of metamorphosis, the power of illusion, and the dark art of necromancy. When Odysseus landed on her island she transformed his men into animals, but with the help of the god Hermes, he overcame the goddess and forced her to release his men from her spell. Kirke's name was derived from the Greek verb kirkoô meaning "to secure with rings" or "hoop around"--a reference to her magical powers." - THAT is cool!! I totally resonate with that. So it's like combining Kundalini/Moon/Sorcery... whoooaahhhhh!! lol

I would love to email back and forth! I'm totally fine with exchanging emails however we can!

Also - Yes the FIL is complicated but it is very real, and I believe it is real for him to. He comes to me in dreams at least 2-3 times a week. The most recent was a dream I had that was the most vivid I've had yet. I felt like I was meeting him in HIS dream. The dreams area always unlike any dreams I have. VIVID, and the emotion I feel is very real, and unlike any emotion I've ever felt. We have also had some very synchronistic real life experiences that are very interesting. My interactions with him have awakened some things in me that I didn't really realize I was working with!! If it weren't for him, I would have never joined this forum, and would never have accelerated my studies in this manner.

My husband is supportive of me but he will NOT practice yoga. He is interested in the universe, but more of a Neil Degrasse Tyson way. He wants the science behind it. He is atheist (which is fine!) but there is no spirituality at all. He is HIGHLY psychic and has premonitions in dreams. He dreams things before they happen. So he actually dreamed two days ago "I dreamed you left me for a man who was well versed in astrology. He picked you up from the house". It was weird, I just ignored it, because it kind of freaked me out!! He has come around over the years. He doesn't mind me chanting mantra or playing it. He likes the added benefits of me practicing, although I believe he is not going to awaken for some time, if at all. He is who he is, and I love him for that, but he is not on any form of a "spiritual" path. He is actually kind of mean to his Dad. They did not have a good relationship growing up, but his Dad has really made efforts to have a better relationship with him. However, when he is around his dad he is honestly mean, acts so annoyed, wont say hello, etc. He does that with both parents, has no desire to be close to them. I actually get along with them better than he does. It's like he's stuck as a dumb rude 15 year old boy - "leave me alone dad I'm playing video games!!". My hubs does not understand social graces. He is very much a child. If he is in a bad mood, he's not going to be nice to anyone. He is very self focused, and very self centered. He can be a very nice man (husband), but he is VERY self driven. We have our fair share of issues in the marriage, but my job is to love him and create an air of peace in our home. I find that being the one who is awake comes with much more responsibility. I have to make choices within my hemisphere that he doesn't even understand. I see what could happen before it does, and I have to live my higher vibration. It is a daily challenge not to move into the heavier energies. I do love him a lot, he is really good to me. We all have our "things"!

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So I work with the Mangala Charan Mantra in Kundalini Yoga - Here is a quick link from Spirit Voyage (which by the way, PLEASE visit Spirit Voyage's website & the website for 3HO, TONS of KY info!!!) http://www.spiritvoyage.com/blog/index.php/mantra-chanting-aad-guray-na meh-for-guidance-and-protection/

The mantra goes:

Aad guray nameh, jugaad guray nameh

Sat guray nameh, siri guroo dayv-ay nameh

One of my favorite versions by Snatam Kaur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BSKPele2Vo

Translated:

I bow to the primal wisdom.

I bow to the wisdom true through the ages.

I bow to the true wisdom. I bow to the great unseen wisdom.

You can say it in your mind, whisper it, or say it aloud. It should be chanted three times. I say it ALL THE TIME. It is really good, it restores faith. I also, for some reason, imagine myself "x-ing" out lower energies from my field. Like a sword, I imagine myself slashing through the "crud" that has junked up my energy field. I have a tendency to get flashes of things that could happen, and immediately afterwards I will chant this mantra to clear it.

posted October 20, 2014 11:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
For helping out. You, too, 12th.

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posted October 20, 2014 11:59 AM            

Here's a great song to do it with (I have a thing for Snatam Kaur lol):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEBOs6zcg0A

And this is my FAVORITE version of Adi Shakti from Solstice I think? Or another Kundalini event they held. I play this one almost every day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CbHwzSPTg0

I have looked for a good video on how to do the actual movements and I'm not happy with them. I may just make a quick video and post here for you sometime this week, because I really think if you will benefit from this meditation!! I do it all the time!!

posted October 21, 2014 09:37 AM            

In some ways I agree with you about the pitfalls of Kundalini Yoga but I do think it is a concern when people have a tendency towards a mental illness already. I think it can worsen it, conversly people with kundalini activation are often misdiagnosed as mentally ill. I was just reading a post this morning on another website from someone who this happened too. She didn't realize she was having a kundalini awakening and was put on medications. Especially when kundalini is first activated, at least in my case, I went through a very dark night of the soul that lasted about six months, where I pretty much cried all day as the blocks in my lower chakras were released. I'm not even sure my lower chakras were moving at all when I first awakened. I am against medication so it wasn't a thought but others could easily mistake this as just a bad case of depression that requires meds. Yes, I agree about the chakra terminology. Now my chakras are in good health. There was an interesting article IQ posted about over balancing your chakras, by Anmol Mehta who I really like and get information from all the time. I didn't realize you could over focus on the chakras. I have since stopped visualizing them everyday as they seem healthy already. While some of this stuff doesn't always make sense to me, I really respect IQ and don't dismiss what he says without lots of thought. He is by far the best astrologer here and has the most occult knowledge. He recently did a reading for me which was awesome! I will say this too, for a long time, my kundalini was stuck at my heart chakra. I'm talking a year, with the year before that overcoming all the lower chakra blocks. A few weeks after I started doing kirtan kriya daily I felt my crown chakra opening. This as only expanded with daily practice. After about six weeks I had an amazing connection to spirit and was getting good guidance. So because of this I don't underestimate the power of using these mantras.