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Glaucus
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posted December 02, 2007 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many people know about the lunar nodes only,but the moon is not the only object that have nodes. other heavenly bodies do too.

The node refers to the point at which a heavenly body crosses the extended plane of another planet's orbit.

All the physical heavenly bodies have nodes. Not only do the Moon and planets have nodes,so do the minor planets that include asteroids,centaurs,and kuiper belt objects. The Node Book, written by Zipporah Dobyns in 1973, has information about the nodes of the Moon,planets,and the 4 major asteroids.
Jeffrey Wolf Green believes that the planetary nodes are insightful into evolutionary astrology and that the south planetary nodes can give insights into pastlives. It is thought that aspects to a planetary node is like an aspect to that planet itself.
I have Sun conj South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd/oppose North Eris Node in Taurus in 8th with 9 and 10 minutes of arc respectively.

It is possible to get both geocentric and heliocentric nodes for the planets. Planetary nodes are regularly used in Heliocentric Astrology. Philip Sedgwick wrote a book about heliocentric astrology called. The heliocentric north and south nodes of heavenly bodies are always opposite each other. That is not the case for the geocentric nodes except for the lunar nodes. The more distant,the object,the more likely they will be closely opposite of each other.

here is more information on planetary nodes
http://www.astrologysoftware.com/resources/articles/getarticle.asp?ID=174 http://www.astrologyhoroscopes.info/planetnodes.htm http://www.heliocentric-astrology.com/Heliocentric_Planetary_Nodes.html http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/planetary_nodes.html

Uranus was conjunct its North Node in Gemini when the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occured.

Mars was oppose its South Node exact when 9-11 attacks started.

Neptune was conjunct its south node and oppose its north node when Baghdad was invaded.

I will post some things about them later.

you can calculate planetary nodes with Solar Fire and Kepler
also Jonathan Dunn's ephemeris calculates node of heavenly bodies. I definitely use it to find nodes of minor planets. I have been checking out personal name asteroid nodes in charts..especially in evolutionary astrology to check out insights into karmic,evolutionary lessons with certain people. I will post some things later.
http://www.megadelfi.com/~jonathan/pos/

the geocentric planetary nodes can be used in synastry. I read that south geocentric planetary nodes of personal planets can be indicators of karmic pastlife connections. My girlfriend's South Venus Node conjuncts my Mars with 20 minutes of arc,and my South Mars Node oppose her Venus with 29 minutes of arc. That could indicate karmic pastlife as lovers.
http://www.synastry.us/soulmate_indicators.asp


Here is something from Zipporah Dobyn's book, The Node Book.

The geocentric north and south nodes of the inner planets, Mercury and
Venus, may appear in any zodiacal sign. The nodes of Mercury can range
from a conjunction when they are lined up with the Sun twice a year at
17 degrees of Taurus and Scorpio, on the north and south heliocentric
nodes, to a maximum separation of about 45 degrees. The Venus Nodes
similarly line up with the Sun at 16 degrees of Gemini and
Sagittarius,on the heliocentric positions, and their maximum
separation is about a quintile of 72 degrees. The geocentric nodes of
Mars range from about 7 Aries to 2 Cancer for the north node and about
8 Libra to 29 Sagittarius for the south node. As the distance from the
Sun increases, the viewpoints of Sun and Earth converge so that the
geocentric nodes remain within smaller arcs until with Pluto, there is
little difference between the geocentric and the heliocentric
positions.

I found Zipporah Dobyns Node Book very informative and insightful http://www.astrology-books.com/store/dobyns_zipporah.html

the same with Jeffrey Wolf Green's Planetary Node Workshop DVD http://astrologybykimmarie.com/Merchant2/merchant.m vc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JWG&Product_Code=JWGW-07DVD&Category_Code=JWGW


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posted December 02, 2007 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great info
once again, Welcome home Raymond

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Welcome back, Raymond.
It`s great to read from you again.


On the topic:
If I understand the link right (the one about the soulmats), then we look at conjunctions, oppositions and squares to the planetary nodes, right?

Well, I checked my nodal contacts with a certain guy and I got these:

my Mercury NN conjunct his Venus (0°09)
my MErcury SN conjunct his MErcury (1°17)
his Mercury NN opposite my Saturn (1°03)

my Venus SN square his Saturn (1°36)
my Venus SN square his Pluto (1°18)
his Venus NN square my Uranus (0°01)
his Venus SN conjunct my Sun (1°37)
his Venus SN conjunct my Mercury (0°44)

my Mars NN opposite his Mars (0°58)
his Mars SN conjunct my Mars (0°12)

My Mars NN square his Venus (2°06)
his Mars NN square my Venus (1°42)

his Mars NN opposite my Pluto (1°15)
his Mars SN conjunct my ASC (2°03)


So, now that I have calculated these, how do I interprete them?


Also, how can I get Solarfire to calculate the heliocentric planetary nodes for me? Do you know?

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posted December 02, 2007 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks for the nice words.


You get the solar fire to calculate the heliocentric nodes by choosing heliocentric chart option.

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Glaucus
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posted December 03, 2007 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
all the Ptolemaic aspects can be used but also the quincunx and semisextile which are 12th harmonic whole sign aspects according to Zipporah Dobyns in her Node Book.

for natal:
I use an orb of 2 degrees for conjunction,opposition,trine,sextile
I use an orb of 1 degree for quincunx,semisextile.
Zipporah Dobyns used the semisquare and sesquiquadrate,and she gives a 1 degree for those. I don't use them myself...they are hard to see any way if you're using Jonathan Dunn's ephemeral or Kepler program. Solar Fire can show them though


for synastry: only using the Moon and the heavenly bodies before Jupiter
I use 1/2 the orb of the natal


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posted December 03, 2007 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aspects to the nodes can be interpreted like aspects to the planets...


My planetary node synastry with my girlfriend

MERCURY NODES

Her North Mercury Node
quincunx my Mercury - '05
(communication connection/issues)

My South Mercury Node
quincunx her Sun - '03
semisextile her Uranus - '17
trine her Juno - 1'03
(communications connection,possible pastlife sibling connection as well as partners

My North Mercury Node
sextile her Neptune Stationary - '22
conjunct her Pluto - '56
(communications involving spirituality,compassion,intuition,imagination,inspiration,depth,psychological)

VENUS NODES

Her South Venus Node
conjunct my Mars - '20
quincunx my Juno - '11
(possible pastlife connection of passionate lovers/spouses)

MARS NODES

Her North Mars Node
sextile my Moon - '09
(feelings of friendly competition,assertiveness,passion between me and her as well as nuturing,mother - Moon)

My South Mars Node
oppose her Venus - '29
trine her Ascendant - '10
quincunx her Mercury - '25
(possible pastlife connection of lovers - Venus, as well as conflict involving spiritual matters/deception/confusion - the Neptune,possible pastlife sibling connection,communications - Mercury)

My North Mars Node
squares her Ascendant - '56
(aggression,passion,competition between us)

CERES NODES

Ceres Nodes:
Her South Ceres Node
quincunx my Midheaven - '02
(possible pastlife family/mother/parental/mother/reproductive connection/issues)

Her North Ceres Node
square my Moon - '08
(possible family conflict and nurturing/mother/reproductive issues between us)

My South Ceres Node
trine her Sun - '07
conjunct her Uranus
square her Juno - 1'07
conjunct her Jupiter Stationary - 1'33
(possible family connection, nurturing/mother/reproductive issues between us in pastlives,pastlife spouses possible)

My North Ceres Node
square her Sun - 1'06
semisextile her Jupiter Stationary - '34
(possible family conflict and nurturing/mother/reproductive issues between us)


JUNO NODES

Her South Juno Node
oppose my Juno - '20
(possible pastlife relationship/partner/spouse connection and issues)

Her North Juno Node
square my Midheaven - '55
(relationship/partner/spouse connection and issues)

My South Juno Node
sextile her Mars - '38
(possible pastlife relationship/partner/spouse connection)

My North Juno Node
semisextile her Moon - '21
(partner/spousal/relationship connection)


I included the sign placement of the nodes because of the collective significance in regards to the signs the nodes are in

JUPITER NODES

Her South Jupiter Node in Capricorn
sextile my Venus - '41
(past collective karma involving Patriarch religions)


My South Jupiter Node in Capricorn
sextile her Moon - '17
(past collective karma involving Patriarch religions)

SATURN NODES

Her North Saturn Node in Cancer
trine my Mercury - 1'05
(can indicate a conservative national connection as well as family values)

My North Saturn Node in Cancer
quincunx her Neptune stationary - '27
square her Pluto - 1'00
(present collective karma
involving being rigid about deep
feelings,sentimetality,motherliness,family,a feeling of being rooted
in the homeland)

URANUS NODES

Her South Uranus Node in Gemini
conjunct my Midheaven - '03
(present collective karma
involving freedom of opinion,thought,and speech as well )

My South Uranus Node in Sagittarius
conjunct her Jupiter stationary - 1'09
sextile her Ceres =
(past collective karma
involving religious freedom,freedom of opinion,freedom of movement)

NEPTUNE NODES

My South Neptune Node in Aquarius
sextile her Sun - '21
sextile her Uranus - '35
sextile her Jupiter stationary - 1'19
(past collective karma
involving dissolution of individualism and striving for independence
and the idealization of equality,freedom,brotherhood of all human beings)

My North Neptune Node in Leo
square her Venus - '02
trine her Mercury - '06
semisextile her Ascendant - '21
(present collective karma involving
dissolution of superficial splendor and the idealization of
examples,luxury,snobbishness,or the superman)

PLUTO NODES

Her North Pluto Node in Cancer
trine my Mercury - '22
(present collective karma involving
complex destruction and transformation of current attitude toward
family,homeland,the people of one's nation,and one's own origins together)

Her South Pluto Node in Capricorn
sextile my Venus - '04
(past collective karma involving
deep-reaching transformation of the social order,hiearchies,and laws,
as well as in the area of personal responsibility,fulfillment of
duties,and general understanding of destiny)

ERIS NODES

Her North Eris Node in Taurus
oppose my Sun - '02
semisextle my Saturn - '10
(present collective karma involving stirring stuff up,bigotry,equal rights matters,ideology,advocacy connected to security,stability,self -worth,possessions,money,tradition,steadiness,comfort)

Her South Eris Node in Scorpio
conjunct my Sun - '58
(can indicate pastlife society connection/issues involving bigotry,equal rights matters,ideology,advocacy connected to intensity,transformation, sex,death,occult,shared resources,taboos)


note: the Eris interpretations are just hypothetical based on my research


Her Jupiter is stationary,and so I allowed a larger orb for her Jupiter aspects to my nodes
also if an orb is 10 or less minutes over,it could have some effect

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posted December 03, 2007 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nodes of the Planets Beyond Mars For Collective Karma

North Jupiter Node in 20'53 Cancer (present collective karma involving Matriarch religions)
trine Venus - '53

South Jupiter Node in 1'06 Capricorn (past collective karma involving Patriarch religions)
square Pluto - '15
semisextile Neptune - '41

North Saturn Node in 29'41 Cancer (present collective karma
involving being rigid about deep
feelings,sentimetality,motherliness,family,a feeling of being rooted
in the homeland)
sextile Pluto - 1'09

South Saturn Node in 18'00 Capricorn (past collective karma
involving being rigid about ambition,awareness of one's
duty,reliability,and responsibility)
sextile Mercury - '20

North Uranus Node in 15'46 Gemini (present collective karma
involving freedom of opinion,thought,and speech as well )
trine Uranus - '29
sextile Ceres - 1'49

South Uranus Node in 12'04 Sagittarius (past collective karma
involving religious freedom,freedom of opinion,freedom of movement)
oppose Midheaven - '50
square Ascendant - 1'22

North Neptune Node in 13'20 Leo (present collective karma involving
dissolution of superficial splendor and the idealization of
examples,luxury,snobbishness,or the superman)
conjunct Ceres - '36
sextile Uranus - 1'56
semisextile Ascendant - '05

South Neptune Node in 9'35 Aquarius (past collective karma
involving dissolution of individualism and striving for independence
and the idealization of equality,freedom,brotherhood of all human beings)
conjunct North Lunar Node - '53
trine Midheaven - 1'38
sextile Jupiter - 1'18

North Pluto Node in 21'16 Cancer (present collective karma involving
complex destruction and transformation of current attitude toward
family,homeland,the people of one's nation,and one's own origins together)
trine Venus - '30

South Pluto Node in 18'18 Capricorn (past collective karma involving
deep-reaching transformation of the social order,hiearchies,and laws,
as well as in the area of personal responsibility,fulfillment of
duties,and general understanding of destiny)
sextile Mercury - '02


North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus (present collective karma involving stirring stuff up,bigotry,equal rights matters,ideology,advocacy connected to security,stability,self -worth,possessions,money,tradition,steadiness,comfort)
oppose Sun - '10
semisextile Saturn - '22

South Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio (past collective karma involving stirring stuff up,bigotry,equal rights matters,ideology,advocacy connected to intensity,transformation, sex,death,occult,shared resources,taboos)
conjunct Sun - '09
quincunx Saturn - '21


note: the intepretations for Eris are just hypothetical based on my research.

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posted December 03, 2007 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Theory & Practice of Geocentric Planetary Nodes by Theodor Landscheidt


The moon’s nodes and their interpretations are only a special case. General interpretational analogies of the geocentric nodes may be derived from the cosmic phenomenon that the orbital planes of two cosmic bodies intersect each other. In astrology this is a legitimate analogy operation. It yields the interpretational principles: intersection, interface, interchange, junction, contact; connection; union, nexus, convergence, coalescence. In psychological terminology, we get: meeting, relation, connectedness. Biological terms that reflect the nodal phenomenon are cell fusion, sense organ, synapse. As to practical realizations, we may think of society, club, conference, association, cooperation, traffic-junction, crossroads, network, switch aggregates, social contact, union with a partner.

It is easy to see that the nodes cover just that wide field of human relations that generates problems astrologers meet with in their consultations. She or he who does not take into account the planetary nodes does not take advantage of this special information that amounts to about 40% of the total information embodied in a horoscope.

This implication is highlighted in detail when we look at the interpretation of the special nodes. They emerge when we combine the general interpretational principles of nodes with the well-known principles of the planets:


Mercury’s Nodes:
Principles:
Network; symbiosis; association; purposeful union.
Biology:
Nerve tissue; nerve axons; impulse conveyed by nervous system.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Association of ideas; intellectual community; formal relation; verbal exchange; dialogue; brain trust; pooling agreement; economic cooperation; contract; correspondence; marriage of convenience; youth group; mathematical matrix; computer interface.


Venus’ Nodes:
Principles:
Sensual contact; copulation; amalgamation
Biology:
Conception; maintenance of organic balance by interaction of hormones.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Emotional connection: love union; sexual act; erotic-aesthetic tie; artistic cooperation; social bond; settlement of differences; harmonic union; coalescence of form elements; engagement; marriage; group of dancers; ensemble of actors; art union; cultural exchange.

Mars’s Nodes:
Principles:
Power transmission; joint activity; conflict.
Biology:
Copulation; transfer of energy; interplay of muscles.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Cooperation; joint fight; concerted undertaking; team work; controversy; panic action; sports meeting; team of surgeon; military units; war alliance; battle; network for transmission of energy; short-circuit; conduction of heat; heat exchange; interaction of forces.


Jupiter’s Nodes:
Principles:
Organic compound; organic interaction; productive cooperation.
Biology:
Healing tissue; transplantation of an organ; organic macromolecules; blood transfusion; metabolic process; arteries and veins.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Joint happiness; creative collaboration; positive social contact; religious group; legal or moral bond; joint development; blood brotherhood; community; fraternity; religious order; guild; syndicate; state; parliamentary group; political party; trade union; agreement; contract; treaty; lawsuit; bank connection.


Saturn’s Nodes:
Principles:
Rigid connection; permanent union; cohesion of structures.
Biology:
Joints; wrists; ankles; sinews; connective tissue.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Exchange of experience; stable partnership; restrained or interrupted relationship; separation; partition; chronological or historical connection; transgression of thresholds; community of seniors; line of ancestors; genealogical tree; historical, philosophical or scientific societies; chain of cause and effect; anorganic molecules; striking the ground after fall; cement.


Uranus’ Nodes:
Principles:
Creative union; cyclic nexus; circulation.
Biology:
Stimulating sensual contact; oscillations of cell aggregates; irritation of nervous system; orgasm.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Sudden acquaintanceship; eccentric liaison; new partner; psychic resonance; grasp a connection intuitively; stimulating companion; excited family; technological team-work; revolutionary community; clash; vehement controversy; union of revolters; team of technicians; astrological association; orchestra; symphony; electromagnetic interaction; electric power line; resonance of oscillators; wireless transmission; television network; telecast interview; sudden incidents in community life.


Neptune’s Nodes:
Principles:
Immaterial connection; freedom of association; platonic relationship.
Biology:
Mental disorder; psychotic disorganization; contact with allergens; dissolution of cellular tissue; assimilate homeopathic doses of medicine or poison.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Subtle perception; supra-sensuous contact; platonic love; ethereal union; subconscious bond; dream associations; mystical union; samdhi; fraternization of mankind; homosexual relationship; secret criminal organizations; community with sick or drug addicted persons; circle of occultists; sectarian community; idealistic communism; dissolution of ties; mixture of colors; traffic jam.


Pluto’s Nodes:
Principles:
Exchange of vital information; nuclear fusion; existential connection.
Biology:
Information conveyed by regulation centers; karyogamy; schizophrenia.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Fateful relationship; karmic link; exert pressure on a partner; meeting one‘s inner life center (Self); “loss of soul”; mass meeting; nuclear fusion; nuclear fission; political influence exerted by mass media; interaction of nuclear force; wield demagogic oratory power.


Moon’s Nodes:

More special interpretative analogies had to be assigned to these nodes than the hitherto usual symbolical correspondences.

Principles:
Subconscious connection; instinctive association; relation subjected to change; contacts with the female sex.
Biology:
Exchange of fluid; sweating; sweat duct; beginning and ending of menstruation; penetration of spermatozoon into egg; delivery; cutting of umbilical cord.
Psychology, sociology, & technology:
Psychic bond; community with women or children; kinship; family contact: mother fixation; emotional relationship; conjugal union; public relations; marry and settle down; national community; feminist group; children in class.


It should be noted that such interpretations that accentuate special qualities represented by terms like link, connection, association, union, junction, etc., cannot be derived from the planets alone.

http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/geocentricPlanetary.htm

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welcome back RAY
ur insights are always so sharp.about perigree/apogee and perihelion/aphelion
i went to that ephemeris link u provided but u can only calculate perihelion/aphelion for planets not perigee/apogee.
how do u calculate that ?
also in synastry can u consider aspects between perihelion/aphelion and natal longitudinal points and perihelion/aphelion ?

once again thanx for coming back, make no mistake u werer missed

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posted December 03, 2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the perihelion/aphelion for geocentric chart is the perigree/apogee

if you look at osculating lunar apogee and the aphelion for the moon,you will see that they they are identical. That is because the moon's aphelion is the osculating lunar apogee.

I never saw anything on synastry with perigree/apogee except for with the lunar apogee which is aka black moon lilith.

if you use synastry with perigree/apogee axis,then it would have to be the perigree/apogee axis of the Moon and the heavenly bodies before Jupiter.

the perihelion/aphelion in heliocentric chart are very slow moving,and so is related to the collective

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glaucus, i m confused, the astro.com site has option inthe main list where objects are given to be highlighted, the lilith in that list is blackmoon lilith.
but then what do h21, h13 int apogee and osc apogee mean.
what is mre imp, the black moon lilith or the true/mean lilith

can u clarify this , there is much confusion on this.
i have BML, True and Mean all on 29.5 sag so i m ok but all others have very diff points.

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posted December 04, 2007 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I answered your question on the other post.

I use the osculating lunar apogee which is also known as true black moon lilith. I don't even like to refer to it as lilith. after all,it has to do with the orbit of the moon,and so it has to do with lunar symbolism

the other heavenly bodies have apogee/perigree axises too, we don't label them either. The aspects to those axis are like aspects to those heavenly themselves. The same thing with aspects to the nodes of heavenly bodies.


Understanding the Astronomy behind it helped me understand that.

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None of these links seem to be current. Does anyone know how to calcuate the other planetary nodes?

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quote:
Originally posted by eyes_like_pisces:
None of these links seem to be current. Does anyone know how to calcuate the other planetary nodes?

http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

will do any and all

enter planets by name
venus,mars,juno,
select heliocentric if desired

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