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CoralFrequency
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posted January 25, 2008 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so which aspects do you think are better to have in synastry - Moon/Mars or Venus/Mars?

A while ago I would've said Venus/Mars.. but I've experienced Moon/Mars since - and changed my mind. A Moon/Mars conjunction is *awesome* - so much better than Venus/Mars - both emotionally and sexually.

Mars seems respectful/protective and grown up - when coupled with the Moon.

Venus/Mars can get pretty nasty in a "Mr and Mrs Smith"/"War of the Roses" - kinda way. Some would call that feisty or exciting - Not *so* when, instead of watching it comfortably from your seat in a cinema - you have to live with it.. For all the initial attraction, it can become very annoying, tiring and dreary.

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posted January 25, 2008 12:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For passionate sex I'd say moon-mars .. emotion with the act. For attraction and chemistry I'd say venus-mars..the attraction or "lure" of venus in the presence of sexually active mars.

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted January 25, 2008 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea it depends on what you want.

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jane
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posted January 25, 2008 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did some investigating. I looked at natal and progressed synastry and composites. In synastry, I'm consistently attracted to Moon-Mars aspects, but in composites we always have a Venus-Mars aspect.

I enjoy finding patterns, but it's kinda depressing when I realize how predictable I am.

I have a Venus-Mars conjunction with both my brother and sister in synastry, so maybe that's dulled the sexual nature of that aspect for me. I feel Venus-Mars in synastry more as harmony than desire.

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posted January 25, 2008 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I know what I want, and it's not recitals of Shakespearian Sonnets.

I am right with Stars on this one (theoretically, don't get scared ).

This is another area where the golden rule of look at the whole chart is pertinent. One aspect isn't likely to be better for everyone. On a personal level, it is a question of learning what works best for you.

Just as an example, if you have a hard Moon/Pluto contact, adding a synastry Mars into the mix might lead to experiences not as pleasant as fantastic emotional sex.

Without boring everyone with the intricacies of my chart I'll say my personal vote goes to Venus/Mars contacts. But that doesn't mean it is a rule to apply to everyone, that's just me.

This may be an obvious point, but the aspect can't be expected to do all the work, we have to put in a bit of effort. I'm struggling for a way to say this that isn't crass, but it strikes me as being the astro-equivalent of expecting some man with a huge dong to come along and send you to carnal heaven. You need to put in a bit of work to make it happen, at least for his sake.

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posted January 25, 2008 07:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
blue moon

"if you have a hard Moon/Pluto contact, adding a synastry Mars into the mix might lead to experiences not as pleasant as fantastic emotional sex."

How so? I have a Moon/Venus/Pluto conjunct that someone adds a Mars/Sun conjunct into.

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posted January 25, 2008 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was an example to serve my point that comparing two aspects in isolation can only tell us so much.

Mars/Moon might be good for one person, but not another.

For hard aspect I was thinking more a tight square, such as the person who posted on this forum a while back whose natal chart had a natal Moon Square Pluto. He described an ex whose Mars made that into a t-square. He described the relationship as 'destructive' and wanted to avoid a re-run.

That's just one example and there were other factors at play.

In your case it could work very well, but as an example it is interesting - if they are all conjunct (I don't know if they are) how can you pick? If you have both Moon/Mars and Venus/Mars how can you distinguish?


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posted January 25, 2008 12:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon conjunct Mars in synastry and Venus conjunct Mars in composite. I think it depends on the two people. Because the Moon is very important in both our charts, the Moon conjunct Mars helps out a lot. If Venus was as important, the Venus conjunct Mars might be better.

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posted January 25, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point, Blue Moon.

I am a good example.

I have Moon square Saturn,and so if somebody's Mars conjuncts my Moon,that means that person's Mars squares my Saturn.

Not only that....

I have Moon square the opposition of Saturn and Jupiter-Neptune, and so that person's Mars will be form a t-square with my opposition


I was romantically involved with somebody whose Venus conjunct my Mars, but she had Venus oppose Saturn. Therefore,my Mars oppose her Saturn. She also had Venus quincunx Mars,and so ours Mars quincunx each other.

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posted January 25, 2008 12:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the response blue moon.

Yes I could see how the example you were thinking of could be felt as "destructive".

As to my own example yes they are all conjunct and I forgot an additional Venus in the mix: it goes thus –

My Pluto (26 Virgo) conjunct his Mars (28 Virgo) conjunct my Venus (28 Virgo) conjunct his Sun/Venus (1 Libra) conjunct my Moon (2 Libra). So they cross over signs but are within aspect.

Also the Moon/Mars conjunction is a double whammy as is the Pluto/Mars conjunction, with my Mars conjunct his Moon/Pluto in Leo.

All in all the Venus/Mars conjunction between us might be difficult to pull out of the mix and examine as you say.

NeptunianFire

Good point about taking the importance of the planets in the natal chart to see which would have a greater effect on the individual. Venus would generally come lower than the Moon I should think, unless Venus was a chart ruler and/or depositor.

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posted January 25, 2008 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had my Moon-his Mars conjunction (very tight) aspect with my ex

It was a heart-throbing, warm, pure love kind of relationship
it ended because I had to move away very far from him...sad

But then we had many other amazing aspects together so I'm not sure if it was just moon-mars though

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posted January 25, 2008 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an exact Moon/Mars conjunction and a Venus/Mars double whammy conjunction with my twin soul.

With my husband we have Moon/Mars square (with me being the Moon) which can be quite turbulent at times. His Mars, Neptune and Juno square my Moon and Nodes - we love each other deeply but we do bicker a lot and both of us can be very stubborn about "being right." But we also have Venus trine Venus (exact) which softens things a bit - we're very in tune with each other in terms of shared interests and values.

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posted January 25, 2008 01:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tigerlily-- how interesting... I have the same double whammy conjunction with the one I believe to be my twin soul. Can you elaborate on how you feel/perceive that mars/venus aspect between you?

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posted January 25, 2008 01:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 25, 2008 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have to much experience with the synastry aspect Moon/Mars, so I can only imagine it would be emotional, steamy and possibly destructive...as for Venus/Mars the one aspect I do like and usually favor for sizzle and attraction is Venus square Mars(sure there is tension but spicy to boot)and most of the time I tend to be the Mars which I prefer...the one I don't care for at least romantically is Mars conjunction Venus, because I have this aspect with both my biological parents, so it has more of a 'parent' family type feel to it, so when I have this aspect in synastry with someone I meet I tend to see them friend wise and in a invitely at home sort of way

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posted January 26, 2008 02:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as Glaucus has pointed out in the past, past experiences with such aspects involoving family and friends can dilute the effect.

for eg. i have moon at 4 cancer square mars at 9 libra which is conjunct pluto at 24 libra natally.
not the best aspect to have for emotional calm
adding to the drama my mom has her sun and moon at 4 and 6 aries making it a t-square.
after 20 years of an emotional rollercoaster of an unshakable bond, gotta tell ya all ,

DONT ASK FOR SPARKS LIKE THAT


i cant remember one single day that didnt involve some emotional highride with arguments that drain ur energy.
having said that i am not sure how it would play in synastry. maybe i wont be as attracted having adjusted to the tension of that aspect.
i also have my venus conjunct mars of two of my male cousins.we have great friendship and camararderie, but i never fancied them at all.i have had my friends talk about crushes on distant family members so i know its a possibility that doesnt have to be incestual.


P.S. i ahve made a deal with my higher Self to save me from any such aspects in synastry

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posted January 26, 2008 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Moon,

And what shakespearian sonnets have you read? Im interested.

Im partial to Venus Mars contacts. It made sex with my ex pretty enjoyable. I have yet to experience Moon Mars. but I wouldnt be so interested in blending Feminine Nature Receptivity with Action Packed Masculine Fire. I could see potential negative tendencies with that.. But Moon Venus I cant object to . and I have experienced that as well

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posted January 26, 2008 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Shall I compare thee to a .... maybe not, prefer this:


The Sun Rising
by John Donne

Busy old fool, unruly Sun,
Why dost thou thus,
Through windows, and through curtains, call on us?
Must to thy motions lovers' seasons run?
Saucy pedantic wretch, go chide
Late schoolboys, and sour prentices,
Go tell court-huntsmen that the king will ride,
Call country ants to harvest offices,
Love, all alike, no season knows, nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of time.
Thy beams, so reverend and strong
Why shouldst thou think?
I could eclipse and cloud them with a wink,
But that I would not lose her sight so long:
If her eyes have not blinded thine,
Look, and tomorrow late, tell me
Whether both the'Indias of spice and mine
Be where thou leftst them, or lie here with me.
Ask for those kings whom thou saw'st yesterday,
And thou shalt hear: "All here in one bed lay."

She'is all states, and all princes I,
Nothing else is.
Princes do but play us; compar'd to this,
All honour's mimic, all wealth alchemy.
Thou, sun, art half as happy'as we,
In that the world's contracted thus;
Thine age asks ease, and since thy duties be
To warm the world, that's done in warming us.
Shine here to us, and thou art everywhere;
This bed thy centre is, these walls, thy sphere.

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posted January 27, 2008 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well with the one man I ever loved my moon trines his venus/mars conjunction AND my mars squares that same conjunction.
I just love him, feel safe with him and the sex? Yehar baby! Pity we're not together anymore, but oh well- I still feel safe around him and know he'll help in any way should I ask.
Can't tell if I like the protected and safe feeling of my moon trine his mars or the highly charged, edgy his venus square my mars.

Can I vote for both???

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posted January 27, 2008 05:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum! I'm a double aries (sun and moon) dating a libra with an aries moon. His venus conjuncts my mars in scorpio, so I thought that was supposed to be passionate since scorpio is thought to be sexual (or at least I felt it was) ? However I am obsessively jealous (go figure) about his ex who his moon conjuncts her mars in aries. I can't get the thought out of my head that their moon/mars conjunction made their sex and overall relationship was hotter and more passionate than ours and for that reason part of me can't let go of the thought that he is not over her (though he says he is), because in the end she broke his heart. I know I am being crazy jealous, but am I being irrational? Should I just leave him and find someone who's moon will conjunct my mars or should I be happy with the many good aspects we do share ? I find passion almost more important than the harmonious aspect. Insight, anyone? This thought has been driving me crazy!!

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CoralFrequency
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posted January 27, 2008 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes you are being irrational. You can't break up with someone for astrological reasons.

I've been the Venus in a Venus/Mars conj.. and the Moon in a Moon/Mars conj..
In both those cases I wasn't the Mars person.. so I don't know if these aspects would play out the same when the girl is the Mars.
Plus like everyone else said - every synastry and experience is different, you can't judge on one aspect alone.

I prefer Moon/Mars.. because Venus/Mars was too "me Tarzan, you Jane" for my liking - too traditional. With Venus in 11th I want something less traditional.

I have been the Mars as well..in a Mars/Venus square - I can't say I was sexually attracted.

The fact that his Moon is conjunct your Sun.. is a better aspect than Moon conjunct Mars anyways. The guy I am with (with Mars on my Moon) also has his Moon in Aries conjunct my own Sun.

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posted January 27, 2008 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another vote, great!

I vote: be happy with the good aspects you do have and make the best of it.

Also, though I hate to sound like your old Ma, if you keep banging on about his ex he isn't going to get over her very fast. There's a constant reminder, nagging in his ear!

The longer you are with someone the easier it is to know what buttons to press to get them going. So odds are if you are with him longer, and you take the time to find out what he likes, he will think you are a better lay than her anyway. If he doesn't already. But who cares? She's gone.

Welcome to the forum.

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posted February 01, 2008 11:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks guys, for your responses and for rationalizing me. I'm now curious though as to why exactly a sun/moon conjunction is better than a venus/mars or moon/mars conjunction?

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CoralFrequency
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posted February 01, 2008 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because Sun/Moon works on a deeper level.

Usually Sun/Moon/Asc are a stronger part of the individual's personality.

Mars conjunct Moon should technically be weaker because she wouldn't display Mars as much as you would display your Sun as Aries energy.. so the Moon guy would feel more at home and trusting of you.. rather than the Mars person.

Venus/Mars is good for sexual compatibility but only leads to something serious if supported by other aspects like Sun/Moon and Saturn aspects.

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posted February 01, 2008 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Sun conjunct Moon, the Sun's conciousness,vitality,self expression,ego,masculine energy are in merging and fusion with the Moon's unconsciousness, emotions,feelings,feminine energy

I have to say that Sun conjunct Moon in the synastry of my girlfriend and me. It's good for feeling that we are a lot alike,having things in common,and easy to find common ground. The conjunction is in Scorpio with her Moon and Saturn in Scorpio and my Sun in Scorpio, so the connection is intense,passionate,sexual,deep,emotional,and sensitive, but also very serious,sober,grounding. My Moon in Pisces trines alls that adding more to the deep,emotional,sensitive connection and eases the restrictiveness of Saturn.


Sun conjunct my Moon wouldn't be good because it would square my opposition of Saturn in Gemini and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius...the woman would feel very miserable with me.


Her Sun,Mercury,and Mars are in my 8th house,and My Sun,Mercury,and Venus are in her 8th house, and that very strong 8th house synastry is very deep,intense,sexual

also my South Mars Node oppose her Venus,and her South Venus Node conjunct my Mars. We even have our Suns aspecting each other's Venus-Mars midpoints too. My Mars conjuncts her Venus/Uranus midpoint. So she and I have strong Venus-Mars energy exchange too. My Sun also aspects her Venus-Pluto midpoint. We have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in 8th in our composite and very Plutonian composite overall including Pluto in 5th trine Venus in 8th and Ascendant.


here is interpretation from www.astrology-numerology.com

Sun conjunct Moon
When the Sun in one chart is conjunct with the Moon in the other, there is an extremely strong indication of a powerful romantic relationship and potential for marriage. The Moon person is emotionally in tune with the Sun person. This relationship works best if the Sun person is naturally in a role of leadership. In a marriage relationship, this aspect shows a strong sexual attraction. In this aspect, there is some tendency for the Sun to dominate the Moon to a degree. In any event, the conjunction makes two people fast friends with a deep mutual understanding and appreciation of one another. The spirit of cooperation is significant.

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