posted February 23, 2008 01:24 PM            

She really does do her best to keep her private life private and considering how famous she is, I think she's done a pretty good job. It also speaks volumes about her spirituality/religion and how serious she is about it. How about her name being the same as The Virgin Mary. I don't know where to place that today, but she is a famous Virgo with the name of The Virgin, and she's named after her mother.

Unfortunately I can't get much more detailed today.

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posted February 23, 2008 03:29 PM              

Atwelth house moon makes me sensitive, but compassionate and very private. I love kids and have really good friends, but some of my friends have also said I can keep people at a distance. (Not intentionally-but doesn't the 12th also represent the subconscious?)

I don't know, but maybe 12th house placements are about preservation-trying to keep yourself to yourself (ex: privacy) which 12th house people need because I think we take the world a little more personally (everyone does, of course) but some people just say, "hey, that's life" but I know that when something happens to me which is less than great (or even wonderful), I wonder "why me?" lol.

I do think that 12 house placements are indications of artistic expression. I am a writer too-I love literature, music, art, etc. My goal is to get into publishing as an editor, until then, it's teaching and working with the disabled. But all of these desires are definately connected to the 12th house. So compassion and interest in other people (wanting to help) is a good asset of a 12th house I think.

posted February 23, 2008 06:18 PM            

My maternal grandfather had Mars in Libra in 12th sextile Midheaven, and he was in US Marines for a few years. He was an alcoholic,did drugs,and he committed suicide by shooting himself in head. He had Hepatitis C,cirrhosis of the liver when that happened.

a maternal aunt of mine has Sun conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in 12th,sextile Midheaven....she has a history of smoking weed and was involved with guys that smoked weed in her younger years. She got married at 17, and she cheated on her husband before. She's been divorced for a long time She was in US Army for 4 years. She has a career in Veteran Affairs, and helps people get disability compensation. She's now on the rating board She's a recovering alcoholic who wants to be a sponsor. She's getting involved in Buddhism.

so both my mother and maternal aunt have Sun in 12th aspect to Neptune

my maternal grandmother has Sun-Mars in Aries in 12th quincunx Neptune in 5th. She also has Uranus in Aries in 12th. She briefly married my grandfather for his US Marines allotment check to help take of her first born daughter. She didn't want to be married any more after she got pregnant with my mother. She tried to give up my mom up for adoption,but my grandfather kept her. She disappeared without a trace with her firstborn daughter since my Mom was a baby. My mother grew up never knowing her mother just like I grew up never knowing my father.

my maternal stepgrandmother has Venus in Libra in 12th oppose Mars in Aries in 6th.....well......she lost her husband(my grandfather) to suicide after 40 years of marriage and 4 children. She was never with any guy before him. She first got involved with him when she was 13 years old. She married him when she was 16 years old.
She has Diabetes and Hepatitis. She also has a history of drinking a lot and smoking weed.

posted February 23, 2008 07:00 PM              

It kind of doesnt sit comfortably with my Capricorn self interest.

posted February 23, 2008 08:16 PM            

when I said the main gist of it.

I wasn't talking about main gist of 12th house

I was talking about main gist of how 12th house placements work for my family.

I felt the need to clear it up.....as I somebody started off with "the main gist of 12th house"

a lot of misunderstandings happen on the internet.

12th has both positive and negative meanings.
I believe that it's a house associated with selfless service.

Traditional Astrology has darker meanings for the 12th house....but modern astrologers modified those meanings .....a lot of modification in Western Astrology any way...it's a continuous changing system just like Uranus is said to be the ruler of Astrology but also change.

posted February 24, 2008 04:01 AM              

Ok, seriously and on topic, I have Moon conj Neptune in the 12th and subscribe to everything mentioned above.
Selfless service - checked
Isolation need - checked
No imprisonment yet [just self imposed haha and loving it], but a heavy dose of hospitals [not as a patient but as a med student]
Chronic health issues - checked
Mother [Moon] doesn't have any addiction problems but she's very spiritual. She's a reward , as GV said.
Addictions - checked and overcomed
Service and suffering - checked.
Oh, and Moon is the ruler of my 7th house, I sort of tend to keep my sentimental life private. And I was a late bloomer, don't know where this fits with my chart.

posted February 24, 2008 03:35 PM              

I do, now that I think about it. At first I was thinking which do I attract in a negative way (Virgos, mostly males) but then realised Taurus (mostly females) were the good side of that.

and right on with that comment re: people seeking you out for counsel. Self-TLC is a huge challenge here too.

posted February 24, 2008 08:54 PM              

12th house sun here, and it's in Gem conjunct Eros or was it Eris... i'll hv to check that.

posted February 25, 2008 09:25 PM              

I don't think too much has been said about the psychic element of the 12th house aspect.

I wonder if Sun in my 12th House has contributed to my heightened awareness of the "Unseen" world...which, for me, is occasionally "seen". As I've mentioned, it is difficult for me not to "read" people who come into my environment...I can NEVER take anything at face value...It drives most people I know CrAzY!!!

posted February 25, 2008 11:07 PM              

I think I can relate to you on the 'reading' people part. I manage to control myself not to 'read' everyone I encounter. But sometimes I just could not help it

posted February 26, 2008 06:45 AM              

My sister during her younger years would go berserk if my mum starts to 'read' her friends and boyfriends, but gradually she became immune and started to believe my mum, thanks to me. I too 'saw' what my mum 'saw', so I sort of backed up some of my mum's opinion.