posted February 28, 2008 06:34 PM            

here......the 12 signs relate to the waxing and waning 12th harmonic aspects

Aries - Conjunction - 0 degrees
Taurus - Waxing Semisextile - 30 degrees
Gemini - Waxing Sextile - 60 degrees
Cancer - Waxing Square - 90 degrees
Leo - Waxing Trine - 120 degrees
Virgo - Waxing Quincunx - 150 degrees
Libra - Opposition - 180 degrees
Scorpio - Waning Quincunx - 210 degrees
Sagittarius - Waning Trine - 240 degrees
Capricorn - Waning Square - 270 degrees
Aquarius - Waning Sextile - 300 degrees
Pisces - Waning Semisextile - 330 degrees

In THE ASTROLOGY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS by Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker

Opposition is listed as inharmonious (relationships)

The opposition aspect is an angular relationship betwen two planets. Planets in opposition generally occupy approximately the same number of degrees in two signs directly across the Zodiac from each other; they are automatically six signs apart with five signs separating them. If there is a hidden aspect, only four signs separate the signs occupied by the two planets. An opposition aspect indicates a situation in which one must cooperate with others or break with them.

Marriage = cooperation
Divorce - break with them

7th house is said not only to be the house of marriage,but also the house of open enemies

how many divorced couples end up hating each other. A whole lot....especially fighting over child custody,alimony, and splitting assets

so it makes sense that 7th house can be the house of enemies

posted February 28, 2008 07:02 PM            

I wasn't aware of the asteroid Actor. I'm in an improvisational acting class now that I really enjoy, so I decided to check mine out. Mine is [natally] in the 10th house, 11 degrees beyond the MC (in Aquarius).

It's progressed into the 9th house, and sits now on the 3rd degree of Pisces.

It's interesting that your post prompted me to look at my progressed chart, because I currently have a grand trine in Air signs in Water houses between conjunct Sun and Mercury in Aqua (8th), Saturn in Gemini (12th), and Pluto in Libra (4th). Oh, actually it's a kite configuration because Neptune is in opposition to Saturn. Seems to indicate some creativity coupled with logic in some way.

posted February 29, 2008 01:03 AM            

Very vaild, the MC/IC and DC should def be taken into consideration along with the Ascendant when looking at aspects.

posted March 01, 2008 05:02 AM              

interestingly, the one synastry that is really amazing is the one I share with Jude Law. LOL

IQ even said once, that there might be a high chance that we might be Twinsouls, because we have a DW of Neptune / ASC, with both Neptunes conjunct each other ASC under 1°.
Ón top of that his Saturn is exactly conjunct my Karma and his Sun is exactly conjunct my Isis and Osiris, and his ASC is exactly conjunct my NN and his DSC is exactly trine my Pluto - all orbs are even well under 1°.

We have a whole lot of other conjunctions like for example:
His Sun conjunct my Venus
His Moon conjunct my Union
His Venus conjunct my Neptune and NN
his Mars conjunct my Valentine
his Saturn conjunct my Kaali
his Neptune conjunct my Mars
his SN conjunct my Saturn (ouch)
his Vertex conjunct my Vertex and Eros
his Amor conjunct my Psyche
his Juno conjunct my Mars and Amor

and some more

WE also have some DW`s among others.

Siva / NN, Venus / Kaali, Pluto / MC to mention just a few.

Our Draconics are also rather crowded with some strong and very tight aspects.
My dr Moon at his DSC for instance, or my dr Eros conjunct his Psyche with only 1 minute of arc.
My dr Union conjunct his dr ASC, my dr Amor conjunct his dr Sun, his Vertex conjunct my dr IC and so on.

IF I remember it right, then we even have a Sun-Moon-conjunction in the navamsha, at least his Sun is exactly novile my Moon. lol

Well, now of course I haven`t met him, and of course there is no connection between us. Those strong interconnections really puzzle me, because, really, I have much weaker astrological ties with some of my close friends or even "real" guys, I have fallen in love with.

And I know many girls / women would like to hear something like "oh astrologically speaking Jude Law could be the one for you", but I feel a bit uneasy about it. It`s almost like it upsets me when I find those nice connections in the synastry, like I don`t want to have them.
HEck, I don`t even have a crush on him!
There shouldn`t be these conjunctions and "karmic implications".
Of course I am "not" having a crush on him for 3 years or so. lol
This doesn`t keep me from watching all his films and now even having bookd tickets for London next year to see him playing "Hamlet" and I`ll be in front row in the centre (a friend of mine booked the tickets, I would have preferred a seat in the back and not int he centre), so I will have a rather clear view on stage I guess.
Well, who would have thought back in the days when I had seen all these films with him, that I was gonna have the chance of seeing him liveß
Well, certainly not me.

But back to the point: did you ever experience something like that? That you found rather strong connections in a synastry, and you even could feel a certain rumble in the pit of your stomache telling you astrology is not SO FAR off, but you just didn`t WANT these connections to be there?

posted March 01, 2008 10:00 AM              

But on a serious note, asteroids seem to me, to be that final few yards of the race that decides the winner.no Kidding. in synastry as well as natal.
My personal insights thus far are, that the Asteroids that affect u in transit, progressions and Synastry will be the ONES that are conjunct or opposed a Planet or angle in ur chart ONLY. the other asteroids , and there are thousands of them are NOT going to affect u. Why ? becoz our birthcharts are a contract prepared by between us and Higher Selves. its the script of our life as we and our Oversoul wants to experience reality. look at my chart for eg.
Asteroid Actor bang conjunct MC
Asteroid Musa ( the greek muses of fine arts) and Asteroid Kaali conjunct natal sun and moon.

is it any surprise i always had a pulling towards the arts even when no one in the family has ever done so.not to mention parental opposition and sheer impracticality of my choice when i m a nerd.BUT what separates my7 chart from other starry eyed wannabe is the placement of Actor on my MC. also the day i faced the camera for my first audition Transit Ast. Opportunity conjunct my natal Ast., Karma , Tr. Fortuna conjunct natal ast. Actor and natal MC

THAT is probably the final few yards of the race that can make the winner

posted March 01, 2008 11:42 AM            

Great way of putting it venusdeindia!

posted March 03, 2008 03:33 PM              

I think you are absolutely right. Only those asteroids, which are connected closely to our natal planets and angles will really make a difference.

In my case, it`s no wonder that I react strongly to Isis and Osiris; they are exactly conjunct each other and also conjunct Venus, so whatever transiting planet or synastric planet will touch my Isis and Osiris, it will affect my Venus at the same time.

Also, Amor seems to be much more important to me than Valentine, but Amor is conjunct my Mars; VAlentine is deeply hidden in my 12th house without any strong aspects to natal planets.

Taurus;

jip, I think I WILL have a lot of fun next year in the theatre.

posted April 05, 2008 04:43 PM              

I tried out your asteroid conjuncts/oppositions theory and then the rule 1 and rule 2 on myself and my SO.
I got:
for the date we met......
KARMA conjunct APHRODITE
APHRODITE OPPOSITE KARMA
PSYCHE conjunct VENUS
ARMOR conjunct ATLANTIS
JUNO opposed NEPTUNE
AC conjunct ATLANTIS
MOON conjunct ATLANTIS
AC conjunct SUN
SUN conjunct MOON
PLUTO conjunct MOON
PLUTO conjunct AC
NEPTUNE opposed LILITH

also for date we met:
My N sun conjunct 1deg his P Ceres
My N moon trine exact his P AC
My N venus trine 3deg his P AC
My N juno conjunct exact his P Jupiter
My N psyche conjunct 1deg his P Aphrodite
My N AC trine his P Valentine exact
My N sun trine 1deg his P Eros
My P mars opposing exact his N moon
His p sun conjunct 2deg my p moon

his p sun conjunct 1deg my p AC

His P psyche trine 2deg my P eros

His P Armor conjunct 1deg my P Atlantis

His p pluto conjunct 1deg my P AC

His p atlantis conjunct 1deg my P AC

I calculated the rules from the natal charts
Check out the DW valentine/AC
Rule 1
his AC trine my valentine exact
my AC trine his eros exact
my AC trine his valentine

rule 2
his sun trine my venus/saturn
his moon trine my venus/Saturn
his Saturn conjunct my mars
his mars trine my Saturn
his mars trine my Pluto
my mars opposed his AC
his sun trine my MC
his mercury trine my MC
my MC trine his mercury
his Neptune square my AC
My Neptune conjunct his AC

(all aspects under 2deg with rule aspects under 1)

posted April 05, 2008 06:13 PM              

applying those two rules you have to look only at trine and conjunction; personally I would also use oppositions, but not sextile or square.

Also, the planets to look to are only ASC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, Karma, Valentine and Amor

posted April 05, 2008 06:21 PM              

Yeah l know.. only reason l put those DW's in at end is cos she says look for DW's

posted April 06, 2008 07:02 AM              

I can understand that with the DW`s, and they really are important.
I feel some kind of affinity to the Neptune-ASC-dw, because actually I have an exact mutual ASC-Neptune-conjunction in the synastry with Jude Law, and I definitely like that gentle, dreamy vibration.

posted April 06, 2008 07:20 AM              

DD - yes. DW's are really amazing and i'm at this moment trying to find out about our DW of lilith which l think could be the most important one!

It's
his BML conjunct my AC (1deg)
my BML conjunct my DC (under 1deg)

sounds either really BAD or extremely positive! Can't find much info though. Do you know anything about BML in synastry? I bet IQ does but he has left, hasn't he?!

posted April 06, 2008 08:13 AM              

But she is deeply connected to lunar symbolism, but since she is at the farthest point, she`s some kind of a dark, shadowy lunar symbol. And in my opinion there`s a part of the lunar symbolism, which we don`t like to see, but which has some Plutonic overtones. "The Moon has claws" - I think STephen Forrest once wrote that, and I think he is right about that.

However, back to Lilith - do you use the true or the mean Lilith? It can be a big difference.

A connection between Lilith and ASC may show, that you won`t stay unimpressed by each other. Actually you might react very strongly to each other. But if this reaction is one of attraction or repulsion I can`t say.

Lilith also represents the "wild woman", the powerful woman, and often men (and women) are scared of this instinctual power in a woman, which may lead them to try to control it (I think that is the reason that sometimes Lilith is connected with violence, rape and murder - it`s about trying to control someone and keep them down, out of fear about their power).
But it can also be a sign of the "anima" of a man, which makes for an uncontrollable attraction.
You know almost like many women are drawn to the "vampire-figure" in films.
There`s something alluring about darkness; Darkness and light tend to attract each other, because they are just some form of Yin and Yang.
Am I talking nunsense now? If so, someone please stop me.

There`s something else that the symbolism of vampire and Lilith have in common despite their seductive dark eroticism, and that is that they don´t care much for "men-made" rules. In a positive way it can lead to independence, freedom, an equal partnership (in terms of synastry), in the negative way it also can lead to egotism, a selfish, hurtful "Me first and only" attitude.
Another shared symbolism is that of solitude. Because both mythological figures refuse to play to the rules of society, they have to live outside it, which means they are isolated. In Lilith`s case she decided to leave the paradise, because she couldn`t pretend to be less than she was, she couldn`t live a lie.
Instead of a mostly comfortable, but empty life, she chose to leave the secure environment, and stay true to herself rather than obeying other people.
That`s why I think that Lilith can also confront us with truths, that are often hard and painful to face, but which must be faced so we can grow to be who we really are.

In synastry I think that Lilith maybe dares us to take a risk for the relationship. A Lilith-relationship won`t be an easy one or smooth one, it will be one where oyu will have to face the truth about yourself and your partner again and again, and it will definitely be a relationship, in which the image of "women" will be faced and probably changed in both of you.
And it will be the partner who will confront you with that image.

Lilith demands brutal honesty, absolute devotion to your innermost needs and she won`t be content with anything less.

Oh and I think such a relationship can be a very transformative, passionate one, maybe forbidden or unlikely (according to society rules), but it depends if you have enough courage to face the consequences of such a relationship, if you are brave enough to go through the fire of truth (my image for Lilith is "fire of truth").

Definitely not lukewarm.

EDIT:
My bottomline is:
Lilith in synastry can make for a very strong, almost obsessive, uncontrollable attraction, but sometimes people can``t admit to feel that attraction and will get scared of the power of it and therefor feeling repelled by the other one (because feeling the passion would be too dangerous, since one can sense that this person will shake their lives up and change it totally).

posted April 06, 2008 01:41 PM              

Lilith is quite something isn't she! Thank you for explaining her so well... my gosh. Part of me is scared and part of me is excited. I love to be inspired and always strive for wholeness of truth so l think it will be ok.

I always wanted a relationship that bared our souls and made us grow. All my relationships l have outgrown and gotten bored so l think this will suit me just fine!

Elsewhere in our chart it shows we need to be brutally honest so this seems to be the theme of our relationship.
For instance my venus/moon/saturn/nn in Aries trines his sun in Leo and moon in Sag creating 4 grand trines!

Also his Venus/Uranus conjunct opposing my chiron and is quincunx my sun LOL

BTW, by liith or BML l mean the one that is an option on the Astro chart under "additional objects".

posted April 07, 2008 01:40 PM              

are you asking about my Jonnhy?

It seems it´s the only Jonnhy mencioned here,so it might be!

posted April 07, 2008 03:36 PM              

in your opinion would you add the Vertex into IQ´s list?

Cause it´s also as unique as the asc in my view and it´s viewed as a "Destiny´s Gate" by Dr. Z who posted his own SM Clues

posted April 10, 2008 08:59 AM              

" rULE 4:

You Are My Destiny (Destiny's Gate)
Cross aspects between the Sun, Moon, Venus, Ascendant, and/or Midheaven in person A's chart and person B's birth Vertex, the Vertex being nicknamed by me as "Destiny's Gate." This rule holds especially true in regard to conjunctions and oppositions. Again, look for a double whammy."

Kim Falconer says:

" What is the vertex? The vertex is a theoretical point in the heavens where the ecliptic-the apparent orbit of the Sun around the earth-crosses the prime vertical-the plane that runs at right angles to the meridian and divides the celestial sphere from front to back. Already, it sounds fishy. A theoretical point?

The vertex/anti-vertex is only theoretical to the degree that the Ascendant and Midheaven are as well. The Ascendant is the point were the ecliptic intersects the horizon (instead of the prime vertical). The North and South Nodes of the Moon, also points of theoretical intersection, are found were the path of the Moon rises and falls across the ecliptic. They are all illusory because there is nothing really out there at that point in space-no fixed star, no asteroid, no planet-not to emphasize that the ecliptic itself is the imaginary path of the Sun around the earth.

Illusory or not, the vertex falls on the western side of the chart, with the anti-vertex found exactly 180 degrees away, on the eastern side. As with the Ascendant and Midheaven, an exact birth time is necessary to calculate the vertex. There is no point working with it unless you have one. That is the first rule.

What does the word vertex mean? The word vertex comes from the Latin root word vertere, meaning to change, to turn, turn frequently or spin. It also can mean a crowning point, summit, top or crest. Words having this Latin root include vertebrae, (joint, having something to turn on) vertigo (dizzy, disoriented, spun out) vertical (from top to bottom) versatile (doing many things at once, to turn from one thing to another) and verticil (a circular arrangement around a fixed point, a whorl). The common theme here highlights change or movement, from one point to another, where the center remains fixed or the same.

Can mythology reveal anything about the vertex? Yes. The Roman god Vertumnus has roots in the Latin word vertere, to change, turn or spin. Vertumnus was a lesser god of gardens, fruit trees and seasons. Youthful and alluring, he had the power to change himself into various forms, just as the seed changes from root, to branch to leaf to fruit. Vertumnus used this ability in his avid pursuit of the goddess Pomona.

As the myth goes, Vertumnus fell in love with a strikingly beautiful goddess (in some versions nymph) named Pomona. Although she rejected all suitors, he fed his passion with the sight of her by changing his form and passing her gardens daily as a soldier, a harvester, a fisherman, etc. Ignoring him, Pomona remained devoted only to the cultivation of fruit trees. Vertumnus persisted and one day he altered his form to that of an old woman, greeted her with a passionate kiss, and proceeded to enter her gardens.

Vertumnus, (as the matron), talked to the goddess, attempting to convince her of the rewards of relationship and the dangers of rejecting love. The qualities and integrity of the youthful god Vertumnus were discussed. Finally, "she" told Pomona the story of a young man who cruelly took his own life after being spurned by his hard hearted love. He told of how the gods turned the rejecting woman into stone, but still Pomona was not persuaded.

Finally in exasperation, Vertumnus dropped his disguise and stood naked before Pomona in his true form. She thought she was seeing the sun immerge from behind the clouds and in the glorious light of Vertumnus, she opened her heart and reciprocated his love. Together still, they attend the gardens and fruit tress of the countryside.

The theme of this myth centers on a seemingly chance moment where an outstanding event occurs. To Pomona, it was like an epiphany, a sudden turn of fate, a radical awakening of perception. To Vertumnus, it was at first a well planned strategy, then finally an act of spontaneous desperation. Imagine his surprise when Pomona finally received him!

Love, relationship and union are highlighted here, not just in the desire of Vertumnus, but also in the story he told of the young man's rejection and the tragic consequences that followed. The imagery of the gardens, fruit and vine add to the feeling of ripeness, an event finally ready to happen, a fruitful experience.

How significant is the vertex astrologically?Here lies the debate. Some well-versed astrologers will say the vertex means relatively nothing. Others will say it is a point of great significance. If it does have meaning, what is it?

The vertex appears as a sensitive point linked to fateful encounters with others, seemingly sudden epiphanies, turning points in life and a destiny over which we have no control. Activated, it can synchronize with an experience of another whose effect registers as some degree of profound or extraordinary.

A strongly placed natal vertex (conjunct the horizon, in close aspect to a personal planet, in a critical degree or in the degree of the nodes) can indicate more consistent results.

What activates the Vertex? Three things can trigger, coincide or activate the vertex: transits, people and places.

Transits to the vertex can bring inner and outer events corresponding to a pivotal point, significant encounter with another or a sudden change of perception. The transiting planet activates the symbolism of the vertex, coinciding with a major or minor event. Keeping orbs tight and sticking mainly to the conjunction will bring more consistent results. A transiting conjunction from Mars would likely be more noticeable than a transiting trine from Uranus, although sometimes that is not the case. The magnitude of the effect depends on the prominence of the vertex itself, its relationship to other factors in the chart and the occurrence of other transits, commensurate or disparate. Along with transits, students are encouraged to consider progressions, converse progressions and directions.

Meetings with significant people, as seen through synastry and composite charts, may also link strongly to the vertex. (Think of people as constant transits.) When one person's inner planets or asteroids (Sun through to Jupiter), angles, nodes, vertex or certain Arabic parts conjunct the vertex, there can be a feeling of fate, destiny, rightness or wrongness about the encounter. Something in the contact with that person may have the ability to create profound change in the native, over a long or short period of time. The change may be perceived as pleasing or acrimonious, the conjunction often reflecting the former, the opposition the later."

posted April 10, 2008 04:33 PM              

Your parents sinastry really is unique and one of a kind - no wonder IQ told right away they are Twins. It must be a blessing that you have that in your close family.

So it seems Vertex is also fundamental when it comes to those kind of conections - but are you talking in natals and then see if aspects in the sinastry,the angles?

Have you research in couples as far as the VX is concerned?Like day the persons met if it was activated or if it´s always highlighted in sinastries and composites?

The day me and my bf met:

His Vertex was activated by wide conjunction by Transit Valentine

My Vertex was activated by an exact conjunction with Transit NN and being trine with Valentine

Here it seems that existed a correspondence between Destiny/Fate and a pure love that was coming in the persons Path

in the Progressions:

T.Sun was conj my Anti-Vertex and T.Moon was conj my Vertex

P.VX was skuaring both natal karma/valentine

On my bf´s chart:

P.ASC and P.Destinn were in trine with his VERTEX and P.Valentine was exact conjunct Anti-Vertex

P. VX was oposing his NN,conj Juno and trine Karma

So here again,there´s a pattern in love asteroids/planets activating the VX when meeting singinificant persons

Natally he has his VX in the 5th oposing his Valentine exact and trine his Destinn

I have mine exact conj my DSC and trine Destinn

posted April 10, 2008 05:56 PM              

So if my Vertex is 10 degrees off his anti-vertex, is that valid or does it have to be within 3 degrees, please?

posted April 11, 2008 11:06 AM            

My Valentine Conj his Mars, and his Venus
My Pallas Conj his Jupiter
My Kaali Conj his Uranus
My Cupid Conj his Uranus
My Eros Conj his Kaali
My Eros Conj his Aphrodite
My Psyche Conj his Aphrodite
My Psyche Conj his Kaali
My Aphrodite Conj his Eros
My Aphrodite Conj his Moon
My Aphrodite Conj his Karma
My Mars Conj his Karma
My NN Conj his Eros

For the Progressions:

My Prog Mars Conj his Natal Eros
His Prog Vertex Conj my Natal SN
His Prog Amor Conj my Natal Amor
His Prog Vertex Conj my Natal Karma
My Prog Amor Conj his Natal Vertex
His Prog Vertex Conj my Prog Venus
His Prog Pluto Conj my Prog Sun
His Prog Pluto Conj my Prog Eros
My Prog Eros Conj his Natal Pluto
My Prog Sun Conj his Natal Pluto
My Prog Venus Conj his Natal Pluto
His Prog Valentine Conj my Prog Eros
His Prog NN Conj my Prog Aphrodite
My Prog Karma Conj his Natal Valentine
My Prog Vertex Conj his Natal Valentine