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Topic: Pluto 1H people....do you attract jealousy?
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LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 12:03 AM
 
I'm curious to hear from Pluto 1H people. I've noticed I seem to attract a lot of jealous/obsessive energy. I don't just mean with the opposite sex, my best girl friends have been the extremely jealous, competitive type (don't you just hate that?) and seem to be, well, kind of.....obsessed with me. I don't know how to say that without coming off obnoxious.I think it's the Pluto conjunct my ascendant bringing in this kind of energy. I don't like negative energy around me so I've severed ties with most of my girlfriends I've grown up with. I only cut the ties when things got really bad and I told myself I didn't need people like that in my life. My relationships have been the same way but obviously the obsessive lover type, obsessive both ways I would say. I've dated mostly Scorpios and it's not like I seek them out, it just seems to be what I get even when I tell myself I would NEVER date another Scorpio again. I even dated an Aqua who was like this, although, he tried really hard to hide it and and would never admit to it, of course. I would say he was more jealous than the average person even comparing to the fire and water signs. Do you experience the same kind of thing? Been wondering about that. I've read Pluto 5H usually attracts this kind of energy so I'm wondering about the 1H. Any input would be appreciated! Even non-Pluto 1H people. Thanks!
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GrlyGirl20
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posted February 26, 2008 12:13 AM
LeoCat this is an interesting topic...and I have so much to say about it, but I have a stats test tomorrow, so I'll go into detail later...but I've been through what you talked about, and I'm actually a 5th house Pluto.-Grly IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
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posted February 26, 2008 12:20 AM
Hi LeoCat,Instead of looking at your Pluto in the first house, I would take a look at your 11th house of friendships. What planet rules your 11th house and what condition is that planet in. I seem to remember that your 11th house is Leo? Cancer or Leo, I can't remember. Also, what planets are in your 11th house and are any of those planets connected to Pluto? I'm going to sleep now, so no hurry on those questions. Goodnight everybody.  Geocosmic Valentine ------------------
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starrym
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posted February 26, 2008 12:21 AM
what does the rest of your chart look like? any Scorpio? im guessing that if you're a Leo, you have a hard square/opposition somewhere in your chart to the Leo - thereby feeling comfortable with people who activate your hard aspect.IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 12:28 AM
Ooooh Grly, can't wait to hear your stories!And another thing I've found interesting is that I seem to be "afraid" of people becoming obsessed with me. I really can't explain it. For example, when I met somebody (girl or guy) and they seem a little too enthusiastic about me and want to hang out together or something the first thought that comes to my head is that this person is going to become obsessed with me and it scares me off. There's no logical reason why I should think the whole world would obsess over me so its a fear I've never really been able to explain. Perhaps from past experiences but I don't thinks so.....it seems to nag at me and I think along those lines a lot. I think it comes from...."Pluto conjunct ascendant people believe the whole world is watching them so they tend to want to hide..." IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 12:34 AM
Hi Valentine!I have 11H cancer in which my sun resides, sextiles my Pluto. Gosh you have such a good memory. My cap moon is in 4H, nothing I can see that aspects my obsessive planets. I have Leo in 12H. I hope that doesn't mean I make friends with secret enemies but that seems to be the case a lot.... Hey Star!! My jupiter squares my pluto. Jup co-rules my 7H, could explain the Plutonian energy I seem to attract in my relationships, huh? IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted February 26, 2008 01:00 AM
recently pluto has started its transit through my 1st house, and though it's probably somewhat different than the natal position, i have found that people are more interested in me than i've ever experienced in my life. sometimes even obsessively. it's weird sometimes, but somehow i have the confidence to be able to handle it and keep my boundaries, which i think is a part of this transit too.. but it would have scared me a few years ago, all the attention. i have noticed a tiny bit of jealousy from one or two friends, but i learned to stop being jealous myself right around the time pluto made its way into my 1st about 2 years ago, so i can sort of untangle or let go of that energy by ignoring it. dunno if that helps any, but it's my experience!also, interestingly, my daughter has a 1st house pluto, exactly conjunct my ascendant, and she and i are EXTREMELY intune emotionally. she ALWAYS picks up my feelings, or vice versa, as they happen (even without any visual clues). it's really trippy! she's a pretty intense person and people tend to be pretty fascinated with her; she definitely makes an impression on people! i can see how this kind of energy could rouse some antagonism with certain people who are not comfortable with that kind of personal power. IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 01:33 AM
Wow heartcakes, your personal experience with this (whether natal or in transit) helps me understand this tremendously. I've always wondered if I'm just reading too much into it.....maybe I am, who knows. Thanks for posting that I really appreciate reading about your experiences with it. IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted February 26, 2008 02:04 AM
i'm glad it helped you! have you ever read the book pluto by jeff green? it is so good! he has very detailed chapters on pluto through the houses and signs, and even some stuff on transits and aspects. first house pluto people are intense and attract attention forsure, but i think it's good because the emotions it brings up can be dealt with right then and there, instead of festering, or ignoring them, which can be very detrimental. i would say that as long as you are focused and have an open heart, you might be able to help people with their feelings that you naturally rouse in them (if they are your friends and you do this carefully). jealousy is a weird emotion, but what i've learned about it is that it is just admiration and fascination at an unconscious level. what we are jealous of, we want to develop in ourselves, but we project negatively onto those we are jealous of because we haven't dealt with those feelings, or learned the lesson of the feelings. either we need to cultivate or integrate those qualities we are jealous of, or in the process of attempting such, we learn that it isn't important, and learn to let it go. well, those are my thoughts anyway. but as for people who aren't your friends being obsessed or jealous of you, i would say, don't feed that energy with emotional or mental attention, and try not to worry about it. people are responsible for their own feelings.my daughter is only 2 but she is so intune with other peoples' feelings and she gets very aggitated when people aren't relaxed. it's this weird cycle where people seem to value her perceptions so much, i think because of pluto 1st house intensity, that when they are nervous, she gets nervous, and then they always think she doesn't like them, which makes her more aggitated! but for those that are relaxed and themselves around her, she is relaxed and happy and there is a very loving, open, powerful exchange that takes place. it's an interesting thing and it always happens this way with her, and i'm quite convinced it's the pluto in her first house! people just really seem to value her on a deep emotional level and are very effected by her (which is a lot for a two year old and hard for me to navigate as a mother sometimes!). but everyone adores her and she is a very confident person. what sign is your first house? hers is sagittarius, so mostly she's intensely FUN.. i'm sure the sign contributes a lot to the energy too. IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 02:22 AM
Heartcakes, what is the pluto/asc orb of your daughter? Mine is rather wide @ 6 degrees. My ASC is Virgo. I was shocked when I read she was only 2! That's amazing that you're already noticing that kind of energy around her. This whole power hungry thing I've never related to but I'm obsessive for sure.I've learned to really hate the jealous energy I get from friends. I get ridiculously scorpio like jealous over my lovers but not my friends. It's too bad when friends are like that towards each other. IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted February 26, 2008 02:36 AM
well, her rising is 6 and her asc is 24, so it's not a conjunction. i wouldn't say she's power hungry, she is just very attuned to people emotionally and people are to her as well. it's weird cuz i've never known people to wonder how a two year old feels about them, but that is how deeply she affects others (they will half-jokingly say "she hates me!" if she gets aggitated around them, instead of commenting on her behaviour. it is always personal and deeply felt)! people just really like her, and once they relax about her, they find out what a great person she is. it's an interesting dynamic forsure!IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted February 26, 2008 02:42 AM
That sounds pretty kool for her though. I guess it's true what they say, Pluto brings out EXTREME emotions. Your "she hates me" comment made me think of that.IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 04:37 AM
Once I went to an astrology seminar that associated Pluto Conjunct Ascendant with caesarians. I thought: wow! That's my boyfriend! Then I found out later from his ma that he wasn't a caeasarian birth at all, although he had thought he was - the birth was fine. For him, anyway. In the aftermath she nearly died of an infection. You would have thought he would have known. It's all about you love, isn't it?  Or maybe it is that I was more interested in childbirth stories. So in short since then I've retained a degree of scepticism on astro-phenomenon. Pluto is working through signs of long ascendancy so I could think of a couple of cases of people I know with this conjunction straight off the bat. One is my niece, who does have the conjunction in the 1st house. I've not noticed her being strikingly an object of generational envy or adult adoration. I'm very fond of her though. It's hard to avoid that biological egotism when you see your genetic traits show in someone else. Though alternatively seeing the bad ones replicated elsewhere can make you wince. A Pluto conjunct Ascendant person I'd think of as being goal-orientated, and issue driven. Prince Charles is an example. But as for being surrounded by adoring females and envious males, I'm not sure. It strikes me more he was obssessed with one woman in particular, and he seems to get more ridicule than adoration which isn't really fair but that's the British press for you. The description of aspects listed on http://www.achernar.btinternet.co.uk/outerplanetaspects.html are usually good: Pluto Conjunct Ascendant
Your initial approach to life, and your unconscious way of trying to organise
your experiences is coloured by powerful unconscious drives which make it hard
for you to do anything in moderation. You feel a strong urge to transform the
world to suit your own will, and you are likely to undergo considerable psych-
ological transformation yourself as a result of your thorough involvement with
the motives underlying your actions. You are certainly a force to be reckoned
with, and you will do best to be aware of this, so that you use your power con-
structively, rather than to gain your own ends at all cost. Although you show
penetrating insight into your own and other peoples' motives, your direct man-
ner tends to frighten people rather and you would do well to tone it down a bit. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted February 26, 2008 06:28 AM
Steven Forrest :
Anything in the first house tends to radiate visibly and obviously from
the personality. With you sending out such Plutonian vibrations, people around you
often let you symbolise that part of life for them. And when they are not at ease with
Plutonian realities - a fair bet most of the time - they'll have a tendency to project
their discomfort onto you, naming you the 'bad' one: you're 'too intense', 'too
psychological', 'too sexual', 'too morbid', whatever. This scapegoating pattern is likely
to have made itself felt at some point in your life, and it too is part of the Wound you carry.IP: Logged |
augentier
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posted February 26, 2008 10:59 AM
I have Pluto conjunct my ASC .. I attract the weirdos. Like, serious weirdos. =/------------------
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MoonPixie
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posted February 26, 2008 12:30 PM
I have Scorpio Moon/Pluto 1H, but both are not rising.I've never really experienced jealousy from friends in high school, but growing up I did. This one Libra sun/Scorpio moon girl that I grew up with and was best friends with for a long period of time was obsessed with me. Not necessarily to idolize me or anything but she always wanted to know what I was doing, who I was crushing on, what I wanted in life, etc so she can sabotage me. We stayed friends though because I was a pushover growing up and she was a very dominant girl - sort of like Regina in Mean Girls. In retrospect, she wasn't a very good friend at all and she got me in very big trouble in jr high when she stole a book from a friend of ours and blamed it on me. Anyways, it wasn't until she started spreading rumors about me in high school that I finally went to the counseling office and reported her. She transfered schools the next year and I haven't heard from her since. I read in the newspaper that she got arrested about a year ago for breaking and entering her sister's apartment. I don't think that situation was really a situation of jealousy but of "attracting trouble". I have ALOT of stories about that. IP: Logged |
alvarella777
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posted February 26, 2008 06:30 PM
LEOCAT, I just mentioned it in another thread: My PLUTO is not in 1st - but in the 10th house, cj my MC - and in sextile to my ASC. And my ASC happens to be SCORPIO. My PLUTO also forms a sextile to the SUN-MARS-cj. in my 8th house - so PLUTO is my chart ruler and very vital for the way I am "behaving", I guess. (Even though it's not in my 1st house.) I must admit that COMPETITION is a huge factor in my life! I'm not sure about that jealousy-thing ... Don't know whether remarkably many people are "jealous" of me. But I, personally, am fond of "control" - and of "measuring myself up" to other people! I like heated debates and (friendly) competitions a lot!!! In secret, I always crave to be "the best" or at least "the most genuine" in a way ... Without necessarily feeling hostile against my "opponents"! I rather enjoy other people joining me in a friendly competition, always ... just because the strife/ambition is FUN for me! SO ... in my case, I'd say: That PLUTO-influence could work on a very subtle level in your case maybe....(?) That somehow you could "provoke" that jealousy unconsciously ...(?) And maybe even: ENJOY it, deep down in your heart??? ;-) That's at least how my strong and outgoing PLUTO works for me ... ;_) IP: Logged |
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posted February 26, 2008 07:10 PM
I have Pluto in the first house my ascendant is actually Scorpio not Libra... I know what you mean by jealousy/obsession amongst friends, boyfriends, et al. I somehow attract the creepiest attention from people, when out in public. I usually have one creep following me around in a store, school, job. For instance, I was in a store browsing in the women's clothing section, yesterday afternoon, and I felt someone watching me. It was a young man about 22 staring at me. He was alone, next to the pant section and just staring at me. I ignore it and turn so that my face will no longer face him. I then walk to the women's shoe department. He follows. I walk to the handbag department. He follows. I go back to the clothing department. He follows. He passes by me, occasionally. I get completely creeped out and I start yelling for the person I am seeing. I shout "This guy is creeping me out and following me!". The person I am seeing looks behind me (I am now in the lingerie section) and there the creep is just staring. He still doesn't get the hint. The person I am seeing and I hold hands, the creep leaves.I have even witnessed strange men masturbate to me, in public! Scary and just unbelievable. Sometimes I think the gross attention I get is all in my head until someone I am with validates my paranoia. I often get the impression that people who don’t know me either think I am stuck-up or just exaggerating when I mention the weird behavior I attract. What I notice the most is people trying to over compensate or brag about their belongings, which are things I care little about. I usually attract females who try to destruct my self-esteem, in subtle ways. For instance I had this friend (a Cancer) who would say comments like “Are you sucking your stomach in? You should.”, when I was 105lbs. and 5’5, or she would insult me to guys who thought I was attractive. Most females I encounter behave this way to me, especially when men are complementing me. Once behavior like that surfaces, I rid them from my life without any second thoughts. It is very easy for me to detach myself from people and things which is something I think some people in my life are threatened by. They have seen me change my number, delete email accounts and not go out just to rid certain people out of my life. I am very content with my company. I have a tendency to completely isolate myself from people who I feel do nothing for be but hold me back
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Hermes28
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posted February 26, 2008 07:57 PM
Pluto in the 1st here.I attract a lot of Scorpios. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted February 27, 2008 03:56 PM
LeoCat before I go into detail about everything...I'm wondering do you maybe have a detrimental aspect with pluto and your moon by any chance? The moon represents women, and pluto can signify jealously as one of it's negative qualities. I like you also have a cap moon, but I also have a close squre to pluto, among other pluto aspects. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted February 27, 2008 03:56 PM
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imnaya13
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posted February 27, 2008 08:59 PM
LEOCAT..i can relate to alot of what u have said..esp about when u said you are afraid of people becoming obsessed with u, i TOTALLY know what u mean.. i have pluto in 1H ..in my progressed chart pluto is conjunct my scorpio ascendant and scorpio moon..
..but also, i am a very obsessive person (no one really knows this..pluto types hide things well haha) i mean if I like a guy, its never half way..and i find myself becoming obsessed with wanting to make him obsessed with me! ..pluto in 1H are very perseptive people. just being in the room with one can make somebody who has something to "hide" VERY uncomfortable. for example, i stayed with my cousin and her roommate for spring break. whenever it was all three of us hanging out everything was cool. but when my cousin would leave and it was just me and her roommate, it was the WEIRDEST vibe. neither one of us had anything to say to the other and i could tell that i made her uncomfortable. i dont know, i cant explain it..
I think that pluto in first can bring out jealousy in other people. it can bring out alot of negative emotions in others. Pluto in 1H people sense this, which is why i think it causes them to be the "loner" types. atleast this is the case for me. Also, i know KNOW KNOW when someone is lying to me. it could be a complete stranger, and what they are saying i suppose COUld be the truth, but i just know its a lie. many times i have found out later on that the person was in fact lying to me. i hardly ever let on that i know they are lying to me, though. pluto can sense subtleties in a person and in a room.
another thing about pluto in first house, i dont know if this is the case for others, but sometimes i am totally outgoing and assertive and socialable OR i am totally quiet and meek and reclusive. does anybody else with pluto in 1H swing between these two extremes? IP: Logged |
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posted February 28, 2008 06:46 AM
Hi I'm a pluto conjunct ascendant in first house Libra here.Em I realise that I do bring out intense reactions in people including jealousy but it's not something I've given away to the other If I feel jealousy or awkwardness at a level I immediately own it and personalise it which makes the other person feel totally uncomfortable because it's obvious I'm overcompensating for something which either I have A/ picked up unconsciously and the other isn't aware of it or happy about looking at it
or B/I'm being paranoid lolThe Steven Forrest interpretation of it suits me down to the ground. I just feel fearless about situations even if they make me feel anxious and I am not afraid of showing anxiety or interested in changing my attitude to suit another person or to adapt to the surroundings lol So really a person is going to react to this and thats just fine.
It's very lonely though becuase not many people want to question motivations or just feel good about their skin. Most people feel under threat if a person does not adapt to situations the way everyone else is. Well thats my take on it.
My view in life is as long as my boyfriend and two babies love me I don't really care what pther people think even though it annoys me sometimes.
Like someone previously said if a person is willing to look at their feelings I'll gladly look at mine and we can both evolve from it but who really wants to do that on a day to day basis! Em First house plutoers? IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted February 28, 2008 07:41 AM
it's interesting cuz i get that about the intensity. since i've been on both sides, in a way. i've witnessed intensity in other people that made me feel things intensely, like jealousy, intense admiration, or whatever and i know how unsettling it can be. and yet with this transit i feel like i'm adopting pluto 1st houseness for the time it's transiting, and i also understand about how you OWN that intensity and don't really feel apologetic about it, though it can be somewhat isolating. it's weird cuz i remember being afraid of intense people before, so i can empathize, but i feel i understand that energy better now. it's really interesting!IP: Logged |
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posted February 28, 2008 03:08 PM
I have Pluto conjunct my Leo ascendant, very tight orb. I read up on this and I don't fit the descriptions I read, like coming into the world with a difficut birth or being a difficult willfull child. Quite the contrary. My mother said many times I was the easy child to birth and to raise.
Most of the descriptions in this thread do not fit me either. I do not seem to attract jealousy or obsessive that I am aware of. Leocat, when you said:
I think it comes from...."Pluto conjunct ascendant people believe the whole world is watching them so they tend to want to hide..." Wow that really does sound like me.
Quite unusual for a Leo rising. This trait always confused me. The thing about being too intense also sounds like me but I thought that was from my Scorpio Saturn. Interesting thread. It's good to compare notes with other Pluto 1H people.
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