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Topic: What's the best house system to use?
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Quinnie
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posted March 06, 2008 03:28 AM
  
I'm starting to do astrological readings, mainly for family and friends and I usually use Placidus house system but I read on one of the forums that Linda used Equal house system. Why would Linda use this one? Is it more reliable?`IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 06, 2008 03:42 AM
i prefer equal but it's personal choice l guess  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 06, 2008 02:37 PM
Unfortunately people don't really agree on which house system to use. I think the common ones are: Placidus, Equal, Whole, and Koch.IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 06, 2008 06:07 PM
To me it can change a whole chart using one or another. It's probably a matter of tesing them out.
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Motorgirl
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posted March 06, 2008 11:48 PM
This has been a soarce of tention for me as well. If I use any other system other than Placidus (don't know about whole) my 10th house stellium moves more to the 11th which makes little sense considering I have a hard time in groups and have loner tendancies. Career has always been an obsession of sorts to me so having the stellium in the 10th makes all the more sense. However many astrologers find Placidus to be primitive compared to Koch which makes sense when I read the history of these two systems...only problem is Koch puts sun & jupiter in my 11th and that just doesnt make sense for me considering my history with friends and associates. Mainly I barely have one.IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 07, 2008 12:32 PM
Motorgirl I must admit I've never looked at the history behind the systems and thats where I should start. It's a big issue to me too. How reliable are readings if the house systems can change the picture completely. Placidus seems to be the more popular one used. I was wondering if you knew why Linda used the equal systemIP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted March 08, 2008 12:22 AM
How do you find these different kind of charts?IP: Logged |
LeoCat
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posted March 08, 2008 12:22 AM
Nevermind, sorry, found it.IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 08, 2008 05:55 AM
Why astro.com ofcourseIP: Logged |
Bucketrider
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posted March 08, 2008 09:54 PM
Equal was used by many major astrologers a generation ago aside from Linda. I use equal after spending alot of time with placidus and koch. Like many people, at first I thought equal was an older system and more primitive. On deeper reflection and its change of house placement for my sun, jupiter, chiron, venus and nodal axis - I have seen the light. The placements under equal made MUCH more sense to me right away. There was no thinking process of trying to stretch an interpretation to make sense. It just made sense. Looking at many other charts - I have found the same. Watching what happens when transits change houses, I have found them to respond within a degree or two of exact to the equal house system. For instance a sudden change of apts to a dif neighborhood happened when uranus was within a degree of my 4th house cusp under equal. Nothing significant has happened on the point demarcated as the IC/4th house by placidus and koch. I have had similar experiences for the change of houses by the progressed sun into the 40th house (major turning point) and progressed moon. All using equal.
Theres no need for a 5 degree orb employed by other systems for house cusps.
It never made much sense to me that house sizes should vary so dramatically depending on what part of the world you are born. The signs in the zodiac are all divided by 30 degrees, the houses should be the same. Placidus, koch and the others are unnecessarily clever derivations to try to integrate the MC axis into the structure of the house system when it was never meant to be integrated. There are several important axes which do not impact the structure of the house system including the vertex/anti vertex and nodal axis of which the IC/MC is just another.
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Quinnie
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posted March 09, 2008 02:25 PM
Bucketrider. That makes total sense to me and I will start to use the house system for my own natal chart for transits and progressions to see if I get the same results. I didn't realise that the Mc and Ic would remain the same, I assumed they would also be the same degree as the ascendant so I'm nearly converted especially since Linda used this system also. Thanks alot for your replyIP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted March 09, 2008 05:04 PM
I tried using the Equal system but it places my Venus in the 9th [instead of my usual 10th H] and that's all sorts of wrong.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted March 09, 2008 05:11 PM
^ Agree with GF, here. Equal puts my Sun/Saturn/Neptune conjunction in the 2nd instead of the 3rd, and my Moon in the 7th instead of the 8th, and those don't resonate at all.....But I am going to watch transits to house cusps both ways (Equal and Placidus), and see what the results might show. Already I'm prejudiced, tho  The week before tPluto was due to cross from my Placidus 4th to 5th, I felt "different" -- like something was coming, like a fresh breeze was blowing in..... IP: Logged |
Bucketrider
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posted March 09, 2008 05:22 PM
How far into the second is it? If it is near the end of the second, it will be more manifest in the third. I assume you know that, Azalaksh.What aspects do you have to your moon? IP: Logged |
Nightjar
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posted March 09, 2008 05:33 PM
Equal doesn't work for me either.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted March 09, 2008 05:59 PM
bucketrider ~I've always wondered if your screen-name alludes to your chart being a bucket formation?? 
Mine is. My Moon is the handle of the bucket and most-aspected planet. It's part of my Watery Grand Trine/Kite with Uranus/Mercury and opp Mars/Venus, a near-exact quincunx with my Sun, which is also part of a Moon/Sun/Pluto Yod, plus a Moon/Neptune/Mars Boomerang. My Moon also squares Jupiter near-exact. I could see Saturn easily sticking with it's located-in-the-2nd/interpreted-in-the-3rd designation, as the house cusps with Equal are 29:54 and my Saturn is at 29:42. But Neptune at 23 and my Sun at 26 I cannot see as being interpreted in the 3rd with Equal..... IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted March 09, 2008 06:31 PM
Yeah.....Ascendant/Descendant axis and Midheaven/Imum coeli axis remain the same in every house system. Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers use the Ascendant/Descendant axis and refer to it as just the Ascendant,and they use the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and refer to it as the Midheaven. They add Imum Coeli interpretations to the Midheaven and Descendant intepretations to the Descendant. To them, the Midheaven is the most personal,important point as it's the most time-sensitive too. They strongly rely on aspects to Midheaven for rectification. You'll see different Midheaven midpoint configurations with twins.
I am considering whole sign equal house system like the Vedic Astrologers use.
I was always bothered by the lopsided houses with people born in Scandinavian countries and other countries born in high latitude of Northern Hemisphere I don't like using tropical zodiac for people born in Southern hemisphere because its a Northern hemisphere-based seasonal zodiac.
BTW....I have a bucket...Saturn is the only planet in my Southern Hemisphere.
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Bucketrider
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posted March 09, 2008 06:50 PM
Glaucus - I agree with the uranians. The midheaven is more significant as a point than the ASC in the sense that it is more centrally featured in an person's life as an adult. Azalaksh - your moon is definitely a heavily aspected planet. Wow. And I thought mine was. You think with all those complicated influences you can tell what house it calls home? You may feel more like an 8th house person but you have pluto and mars aspects which have an 8th house feel. You could easily have a 7th house moon with strong 8th house influences via aspects to planets. As far as your sun being at 26. The last 3 degrees of a house are not very strong and the next house will start to be felt. Both houses will have an influence. I have seen this with transits as well as natally placed planets. IP: Logged |
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