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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a note for clarity.

Linkages are: trines, conjunctions, parallels, contra-parallels and quincunxes.

Clashes are: oppositions and squares.

Except in the case of Saturn where:

Linkages are: trines, conjunctions and parallels.

Clashes are: squares, oppositions, contra-parallels and quincunxes.

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Lara
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posted June 05, 2008 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup... and saturn linkages are called saturn bonds as they bond you together like glue lol

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The non-Saturn person gets bonded, the Saturn person gets everything!

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posted June 05, 2008 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
unless there is a balance wherein the bond is mutual and heartbreak can be avoided through balance of the saturn control aspect.

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darkdreamer
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posted June 05, 2008 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was checking the Transits of that day when I met this singer.

I only had one Cinderella - Tranist.
Transit Chiron was parallel Jupiter

And I had Tranist Uranus contraparallel Chiron (0.01) - this is called a "culmination-transit", isn`t it?

The transiting Venus-Chiron-midpoint was exaclty conjunct my Pluto though, even though I don`t know if that means anything at all.


He on the other hand had just come out of a Heartbreak-Transit, but it was well separating.
And he had a lot of Cinderella transits:


Transit Neptune contraparallel Chiron
Transit Chiron trine Pluto
Transit Chiron contraparallel Pluto

in Helio:
Transit Venus exactly parallel Chiron
Transit Pluto trine Chiron


I wonder whom he met that night.

DD

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True. If both people contribute Saturn to a pair of bonds, it evens itself out. Saturn clashes are the real ones to avoid according to Magi astrology, or Saturn bonds plus Juno bonds.

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this a famous singer Darkdreamer?

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blue moon
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posted June 05, 2008 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the orb's too wide for this system, but not for the insurance company and that's what matters.


Venus-Neptune clash: Here today, gone tomorrow. This person can be a costly experience for you. This is a bad clash and can result in bitterness between two people. This clash is often a sign of a very financially costly, and emotionally draining, relationship. Very little that a couple do together works out.

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darkdreamer
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posted June 05, 2008 05:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, he isn`t.

It`s more like a semi-celebrity. He is well known in musical-theatre in Germany I guess, but not a BIG name, which is great, because he still is very nice, friendly and very approachable. He`s basically a great guy.

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 06:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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darkdreamer

"I had Tranist Uranus contraparallel Chiron (0.01) - this is called a "culmination-transit", isn’t it?"

Is it? I haven't heard about that before. Anyway, Uranus-Chiron is also a fame link I believe.

"The transiting Venus-Chiron-midpoint was exaclty conjunct my Pluto though, even though I don't know if that means anything at all."

Sure you don't

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 06:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
blue moon

"Venus-Neptune clash: Here today, gone tomorrow. This person can be a costly experience for you. This is a bad clash and can result in bitterness between two people. This clash is often a sign of a very financially costly, and emotionally draining, relationship. Very little that a couple do together works out."

The world is obviously full of people with Venus-Neptune clashes throwing themselves at each other. What ARE they thinking?

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Lara
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posted June 05, 2008 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Bvanzy

yeah the culmination transit is used in marriage charts a alot.

Here is some info on it - look at last chart. http://www.loveoracle.com/celebritylovers/robertsjulia2.htm

the uranus/chiron one.... http://www.magiastrology.com/madonnasean.html

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posted June 05, 2008 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So... can someone please explain this like you're speaking to a child.

re: Uranus/Venus Clash...

1. if in synastry, two peaple share this "linkage" then it is as bvanzy explained?
2. and if a person has this aspect natally it means what? They are always here today gone tomorrow?
3. And if tUranus is squaring my Venus what does it mean? What I get during this transit will be gone after the transit?

Coz... there are millions of people with Venus/Uranus clashes in their natal charts... *sigh* me included... so, what... I am a commitment phobe...? Hold on... isn't this the infamous "heart-breaker" aspect that I detest so much?

added: I know bvanzy is speaking of Venus/Neptune above abut I am particularly interested in the Venus/Uranus aspect because it bothers me.

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posted June 05, 2008 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the not thinking that's the problem, or more properly thinking that doesn't emerge from the brain.

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 06:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much Lara. I had never come across that one before. I think they're onto something.

However, considering magi always asserts its certainty in their analyses, they don't explain the contradiction at the heart of the culmination transit well I think.

They say it can involve the heartbreak clash of Saturn/Chiron for example, as well as six or so other combinations.

Surely that would natalize the heartbreak clash or whichever other combination into the marriage according to their own theories?

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious?

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posted June 05, 2008 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to rest and get fresh for this thread. LOL... I am too tired for it. Thank you once again guys.

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Lara
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posted June 05, 2008 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome... this is where l want to clobber Magi around the head... they confuse me when linkages and aspects mean several things, simultaneously LOL

MAGI also stands for a "Minefield A-la Gigantic Idiosyncrasy's"

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 07:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Lara. So true. I feel the same way.

Unmoved: Yes, it's the notorious "heartbeaker aspect" in the natal chart, but that's just magi's interpretation.

As to the synastry. The only magi interpretation I have for Venus/Uranus is the linkage on the previous page where it says:

"So-called "swinger" linkage. It could make for an on-off relationship. They both have a need for change and excitement, maybe Uranus more than Venus."

Might be quite exciting. The clash could be harder to deal with. Maybe that would make things too exciting - previously unheard of but currently furious husbands/wives knocking at your door in the middle of the night, car-chases, etc

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heart cakes
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posted June 05, 2008 07:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
holy man!! wow, that is a lot of info!!

got a question: do sextiles, semisextiles, biquintiles, octiles, and sesquiquadrates come into play at all?

i also thought quincunxes were about obsession and weren't considered "good" in synastry. do the magi explain why they are used in linkages?

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heart cakes
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posted June 05, 2008 07:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh and another quick question: so not ALL trines/conjunctions/quincunxes then would be considered linkages? for example we have a double whammy mars trine saturn w/in 3 deg, but i didn't see it on the list. so to the magi this means nothing?

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bvanzy
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posted June 05, 2008 07:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Magi don't use those aspects, not even the sextile, except – and I may be mistaken – as a part of geometric patterns. But yes, they use the declinations, therefore parallels and contra-parallels.

All trines/conjunctions/quincunxes are considered linkages except with Saturn, where the quincunx is considered a clash.

Your double whammy Mars-trine-Saturn is perfectly good, as it is mutually bonding.

The list I gave you is far from exhaustive, because you need special software or the final chapters of their third book to have a proper list of all their aspects. This list was compiled by me as I went through their material. So it's their words, but not every aspect, because I'm not a member.

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posted June 06, 2008 07:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think the culmination aspect doesn`´t include a heartbreak Transit.

Heartbreak Transit:
Transit Saturn aspects natal Chiron

Culmination Transit:
Transit Chiron aspects natal Saturn

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myS-elf13
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posted June 06, 2008 08:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
looks like a great program. i am unsure to use to compare two charts. i have yet to read the tip section. it would probably help.

any tips from those of you who have used this program?

thanks

many blessings

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posted June 06, 2008 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I don't put much belief in Magi Astrology stuff

Uranus is not just lack of commitment and being swinger

I find Uranus very common in interracial relationships

Mark Mathabane is a Black South African who wrote the book, LOVE IN BLACK AND WHITE with his white American wife, Gail

He has Venus square Uranus less than 2 degree orb.


Magi Astrologers don't take interracial relationships into consideration.


I have Uranus-Chiron in declinations, and I have always wanted to be married and have children. Therefore,I don't agree with what they said about Uranus-Chiron.

The woman that I love has Uranus square Juno, and she's not a wild sexual gal who hates commitment. It does fit with her interracial relationship with me. Especially with her Jupiter-Uranus in Sagittarius in 9th square Juno.


My mom has Venus parallel Uranus,and she's no swinger who can't commit. She's a white woman who has mainly been attracted to black men including my father. She was in an interracial marriage with a black man.

My Uranus is in Libra in 2nd house,and that might fit with my interracial relationship.

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posted June 06, 2008 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even if i do consider Magi astrology very interesting,there still some aspects i cannot agree with

for example that one of venus-uranus: i have that in natal and im not an on/off person who dont want committment!! By the contrary

i want to be married and have children with the same man for the rest of my life!

also i think that if for example,two persons has a specific aspect in natal,surely that will appear in sinastry

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