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darkdreamer
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posted June 15, 2008 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
No, if you type into the box h13, they give you the true lilith; they just don`t have an extra glyph for it, but "osc." appears; but that osc is the true lilith.

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OMG thanks for that tip

Geez, that changes it again!!!!

and it puts my lilith EXACT square his sun, conjunct his saturn and his EXACT trine my sun.

Also both our liliths are EXACT (and they are both the most exact aspects of our charts) sesquidrate each others venus's

ROFL. I really hope this is not a 'bunny boiler' aspect

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darkdreamer
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posted June 15, 2008 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
WEll, it make sense that a dw of Venus-Lilith would appear in the composite again.

REgarding Jude`s and my composite: well it looks weird anyhow.

Moon, Mercury, Venus, NN, Sun and Psyche are all gathered from 22,5° Sagittarius - 2,5° Capricorn in the 1st house.

- the Moon-Mercury-conjunction is exact with 19 minutes of arc, which at the same times is a conjunction of the 7th and 8th house, since Moon and Mercury rule those houses (it could almost be seen as an exact Venus-Pluto-conjunction. lol)

- Venus is only 2° from Moon and Mercury (and she rules the 5th house; so we actually have a triple conjunction of the rulers of 5th, 7th and 8th house)

- The Sun-Psyche-conjunction is also only 1°

- But to spoil the fun Saturn sits on 1° Cancer and opposes NN, Sun and Psyche (oh my God, that means that Transit pluto is conjunct this stellium right now!)

- Neptune sits exactly on the ASC with 6 minutes of arc (it was to be expected with a dw of Neptune-ASC-conjunction in synastry)

- Pluto sits on the MC with only 1 minute of arc!


- Karma is in Pisces and opposes Valentine exactly AND Karma sextiles ERos, while Valentine is trine to Eros

As I said it looks weird

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Teresa
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posted June 15, 2008 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Teresa     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Darkdreamer, this is very interesting!

I quickly did the conversed charts for myself and that singer I mentioned in another thread a while ago (maybe you remember it), the one whom a psychic friend of mine said I have a deep bond with, and the result was quite interesting!
I did the charts for the day we met for the first time, last July. Here are the most important synastry aspects (conversed/conversed), all exact unless specified otherwise. I only considered trines, oppositions, squares, quincunxes and conjunctions.

His Sun was quincunx my Jupiter, square my Juno, opposite my Destiny, trine my Siva.
His Moon opposite my Sun, square my Mars (2), opposite my Saturn (2), conjunct my Lilith (1).
His Venus trine my Sun, conjunct my Moon (3), trine my Saturn (2), conjunct my Uranus (1), semisquare my Neptune, opposite my Chiron, trine my Union (3).
His Mars semisquare my Mars, semisquare my Saturn, trine my NN, opposite my Psyche (2), square my Eros.
His Jupiter conjunct my Karma (1).
His Saturn conjunct my Venus (2), opposite my ASC (1).
His Uranus trine my Sun (1), conjunct my Moon (3), trine my Union.
His Neptune quincunx my Venus (1), trine my Eros (1), trine my Osiris.
His Pluto square my Venus (2), trine my Karma (1), square my ASC (1).
His NN opposite my Venus (1), square my Pluto (2), conjunct my ASC (2).
His Chiron opposite my Moon (4).

I haven't checked all the asteroids and their aspects, but at a glance I noticed that:
His Eros trines my Sun and conjuncts my Moon (3).
His Amor trines my NN (2), opposes my Psyche, squares my Eros (3), squares my Isis (1) and conjuncts my Siva.
His Valentine trines my ASC and my Amor (2).
His Aphrodite squares my Moon, trines my Mars and opposes my Cupido (0).
His Cupido opposes my Venus (2) and conjuncts my NN exactly.

My Venus conjunct his Saturn on our south nodes (we were born less than three months apart) may just be a confirmation of what my friend told me, i.e. that we probably belonged to the same family in a previous life... could this be?

I will also compare progressed charts to natals, will post those later. Maybe, if I have time, I will do the dracos too.

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Teresa
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posted June 15, 2008 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Teresa     Edit/Delete Message
And here's my conversed (again, for the day we met) compared to his natal:

First thing I noticed is that his natal ASC/DSC axis conjuncts my conversed MC/IC axis exactly to the degree! This is valid with Placidus and equal.

My conversed Sun trine his natal Sun (3) (double whammy, cause my conversed Uranus is conjunct his Sun, although a bit widely, 3 degrees), semisquare his Mars (1), trine his Uranus (2), opposite his Juno (2), semisquare his Siva (0).
My conversed Moon conjunct his natal Uranus (0), opposite his Chiron (4), square his Karma (2), conjunct his ASC (3).
My conversed Venus trine his natal Moon (3), conjunct his Saturn (1), quincunx his Neptune (0), square his Pluto (1), conjunct his SN (2), opposite his Lilith (0), trine his Destiny (3) and trine his ASC (3). Also sextile his natal Amor exact, sextile his natal Mars exact and biquintile his natal Venus exact. Wow, these are a lot of aspects aren't they? We have a Pluto/Venus double whammy, by the way, cause my conversed Pluto also sextiles his natal Venus exact!
My conversed Mars semisquare his natal Mars (1) and quincunx his Uranus (0).
My conversed Jupiter trine his natal Sun (3), quincunx his Valentine (0), conjunct his IC (3).
My conversed Neptune square his Moon (4), conjunct his Venus (5, but applying), quincunx his Mars (0), quincunx his Amor (0), semisquare his Karma (0), square his Destiny (0), trine his Siva (1), trine his MC (0), opposite his vertex (0).
My conversed Pluto sextile his Venus (0), square his NN (0), trine his vertex (2), conjunct his Isis (3) and conjunct his Osiris (1), sextile his Siva (1).
My conversed NN trine his Mars (2), opposite his Saturn (4), square his Pluto (4), conjunct his Lilith (2), trine his Amor (2)(double whammy, cause my conversed Amor also trines his natal NN, 4 degrees, applying), trine his Valentine (2).
My conversed Chiron opposite his Sun (4), opposite his Uranus (2), trine his Juno (2), square his Karma (1), trine his Union (0).

I didn't really look closely at the aspects between asteroids, but I noticed these:

My conversed Psyche conjunct his natal Eros (4, we have this aspect in "regular" synastry too).
My conversed Amor opposite his ASC (2).
My conversed Karma trine his natal Pluto (2), Isis (5) and Osiris (0), opposite his Siva (2) and square his ASC (1).
My conversed Destiny conjunct his natal Moon (2), opposite his Valentine (1).
My conversed Union trine his Sun (1), opposite his Juno (0).
My conversed Kaali quincunx his Siva (0), my conversed Parvati trine his Siva (1). My conversed Siva widely square his Kaali (6, applying) and semi-sextile his Parvati exact.

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LadyNeptune
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posted June 15, 2008 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyNeptune     Edit/Delete Message
Lady Neptune,
no, my moon is exactly where it should be.

But in a first try I counted wrong, it seems to work how Lara did it.
You have to include your birthday in the counting, it seems.
Therefore my converse moon seems to be still in SAgittarius conjunct my ASC.


DD

DD,

I'll try that. Thanks!

LN

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Teresa
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posted June 15, 2008 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Teresa     Edit/Delete Message
The other way around... his conversed compared to my natal chart:

His conv. Sun trine my Moon (3) and opposite my Destiny (2).
His conv. Moon quincunx my natal Sun (0), trine my Venus (2), widely trine my Mars (5), trine my Chiron (0), trine my Isis (3), trine my Osiris (0).
His conv. Venus square my Sun (1), square my Moon (3), sextile my Venus (1), opposite my Mars (4), conjunct my Uranus (1), semisquare my Neptune (0), opposite my Chiron (0). Again, a lot of Venus aspects!
His conv. Mars square my Jupiter (1), trine my NN (0), quincunx my Juno (0), trine my Eros (0), opposite my Psyche (1), conjunct my Amor (1).
His conv. Saturn conjunct my SN (3), semisquare my Venus (0), square my ASC (1) and conjunct my Amor (2).
His conv. Neptune conjunct my Juno (2), trine my Valentine (3) and trine my ASC (0).
His conv. Pluto semisquare my Venus (0), trine my Siva (2), conjunct my DSC (1).
His conv. NN trine my Amor (0), his conv. Amor trine my NN (3). His conv. NN also trine my Eros (2), opposite my Union (1) and square my ASC (0).
His conv. Juno conjunct my Neptune (3), conjunct my Juno (2), square my Eros (1), semisquare my Karma (1), trine my Valentine (0), trine my ASC (3).

As for the other asteroids, I noticed his conv. Karma opposite my Sun (3), conjunct my Moon (2), quincunx my Venus (0), square my Mars (2), square my Chiron (2). His conv. Amor trine my Moon (3), opposite Psyche (2), trine Eros (3), conjunct Amor (5), square Valentine (2). His conv. Psyche also quintiles my Eros exact. His conv. Aphrodite conjuncts my Sun (1). His conv. Cupido opposes my Aphrodite (1).

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LadyNeptune
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posted June 15, 2008 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyNeptune     Edit/Delete Message
Are you guys sure all of your planets are exact? I can't get mine exact no matter what I try. I can get it close, but that's not going to accurate enough for me.

I'm so frustrated.

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Teresa
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posted June 15, 2008 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Teresa     Edit/Delete Message
Just out of curiosity, I tried the midpoint composite as well and checked the transits for the day we met... turns out that:

In our conversed composite for the day we met we have a Venus/Isis/Osiris conjunction, Sun in 8th widely trine Moon in 12th, Venus in 9th widely trine Mars in 4th, Juno conjunct ASC, Saturn in 7th sextile Venus and trine Neptune. Neptune is in 12th, very close to the ASC, trine the Sun and square Venus. Aphrodite is conjunct Cupido on the 8th house cusp.

As for the transits for the day we met, at a glance I saw that:

Transiting Venus was exactly conjunct our conversed composite Venus and was exactly sesquiquadrate our conversed composite Mars.
TSun was exactly trine our conv. Moon.
TSaturn was exactly square conv. Moon.
TSiva was exactly conjunct conv. Moon.
TJupiter was retrograding and going to conjunct our conversed composite ASC (1 degree apart) and also conjuncting conversed composite Juno.
TValentine and Amor were conjunct conversed composite IC and trined our conversed composite Sun (0/3).
Transiting NN was exactly square our conv. ASC.
TPluto was trine conv. Venus exact and conjunct conv. Lilith exact. It trined conv. comp. Isis (1) and Osiris (0) as well.
TDestiny trined conv. Venus exact.
Transiting Psyche was conjunct conv. comp. Eros (3), transiting Eros was sextile conv. comp. Psyche (0).

Interesting!

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Teresa
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posted June 15, 2008 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Teresa     Edit/Delete Message
Lady Neptune, I just did what Lara suggested. If I progress the chart to the current day I get my natal chart exactly. I had to adjust the ascendant a bit by changing the birth time, but in the end everything worked. I hope it will work for you as well!

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