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Topic: moon conjunct chiron in a composite?
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heart cakes
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posted July 07, 2008 04:30 PM
 
i've been pondering my last long term relationship again and just did up our composite. i see that we have moon conjunct chiron at a 2 degree orb. we brought up a LOT of pain and healing for one another, but it ended quite sadly, and, i think, he treated me very unfairly. i'm just wondering how this aspect usually bodes in a composite. is it usually painful? we also had moon conjunct moon at a 6 degree orb, and my progressed sun conjuncts his sun (so does my SN). we felt things at the same time ALL the time which made it hard to have perspective. when it was good, it was beautiful, amazing, healing and full of depth. when it sucked, it was HORRIBLE and so painful. i'd like to be friends with him since we have a child together and it looks like he might be back in our lives, but i need to know how to handle this aspect.. any ideas?added: i also cared about him more than i think i've ever cared about anyone in my life. being with him made it easy to enter my emotions fully and experience all of that with him. i'm thinking this is a combo of our moons conjunct, his sun in pisces conjunct my SN and progressed sun as well as this moon-chiron conjunction. i still care deeply about him and it's kind of a problem because i don't know how to have boundaries with him and he's done a lot of nasty things to me, and not been a father to our child in any capacity. yet when i'm around him, i just want to hug and reassure him. it's like i instinctively feel his pain and just want to show him i care. but i don't want a relationship with him anymore. anyway, it's just very odd and i'm not sure how to handle these feelings and these aspects. IP: Logged |
venus in gemini
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posted July 13, 2008 11:48 AM
Heartcakes,
I have been wondering about the Moon conjunct Chiron aspect myself. I looked at the family charts of the man who I am involved with, and I have this aspect with one of his sons. It's my Chiron to his Moon. Was it your Chiron, or your Moon? I am thinking it will hurt much before we are healed. Like we are going to bring up each other's pain. I feel like it's a "Mother" wound. That he and I both have a mother wound that needs to be worked through. Because neither of us had a nurturing, loving mother. Did you find that to be the case with your ex? Here are some notes I had pulled about the aspect... I guess I am just trying to prepare myself. Moon Conjunct Chiron between charts: The feelings drawn out between these connections are always profoundly bittersweet as they allow the emotional reservoirs their liberation and their healing. The Chiron person becomes a mirror for the inner maternal and emotional wounds of the moon and cleansing is the reward. A bond of empathy and psychic understanding are often strongly in place. Requires awareness and consciousness on both parts as the feelings and emotional centers are keenly open and vulnerable. When your Moon conjuncts his Chiron, you possess the innate and uncanny ability to see through the facade and literally 'feel' his pain in the sign where it is manifested. The feelings drawn out between these connections are always profoundly bittersweet as they allow the emotional reservoirs their liberation and their healing. The Chiron person becomes a mirror for the inner maternal and emotional wounds of the moon person and cleansing is the reward. A bond of empathy and psychic understanding are often strongly in place. However, this requires awareness and consciousness on both parts as the feelings and emotional centers are keenly open and vulnerable. All synastry contacts are going to bring out the planets natural tendency in both individuals. In this case, your Moon is going to bring out the other persons sense of being wounded and their sense that life is unfair. Their Chiron is going to bring out your need to nourish and feed another person possibly through empathy or deep feelings. This can be a challenging aspect, because you could probably feel that you are having to carry the other person, or feel that you need to give much of yourself to them. On the other hand, the other person could feel that you keep opening up their wounds, which could lead to difficulties. I feel with all synastry contacts the more that we are in touch with ourselves the better they are, because it allows us to be ourselves in our relationships rather than projecting our horoscope upon those who are in our lives in a deep meaningful way. Chiron is often a tough Centaur to deal with especially astrologically. Nobody wants to be reminded of their wounds and the unfairness of normal life especially if you live in America, where these ancient traditions are disregarded, and its own body of mythos really does not provide a way of working through. Take it very easy with this aspect, and receiving as much information about it as you possibly can will help to understand how to approach your partner with it as well.
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heart cakes
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posted July 13, 2008 11:58 AM
wow thank you venus in gemini! me and my ex had this conjunction in the composite, but much of this rang true.now it's interesting timing, cuz i do have this, in synastry, with the person i'm involved with now! i'm moon, he's chiron. and i can feel this forsure! amazing. IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2008 12:29 PM
Do you think it's the Chiron person who hurts the Moon person, or the other way around? I guess I am trying to prepare myself for the probably hurt.  IP: Logged |
Diandra23
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posted July 13, 2008 12:43 PM
Venus in Geminidont think that way---cause it´s not the way it works. I have that in sinastry with my boyfriend - it is my Moon that conjuncts His Chiron and i feel very much related to what it was said here. Many times yes, i do feel an instant need to nurture him and take care,and i do: i look at him and see much more of him,all his deepest wounds and pains.We have a strong psychic link as it is only needed one look to see what the other is feeling - so,we are vulnerable torwards eaach other also. Its true - i have opened his wounds sometimes and i do not regret it - it´s what it is needed in order for the healing occur.
It envolves a deep awareness of the right moment,the right words,and actions that must be taken for him not to be overly "wounded" - NOTE that the wound already exists-and it wasnt you who caused it.BUT YOU WILL BE the one to heal it - through love and patience - this is very important. There were 2 very hard moments when that happened in our 2 year relationship so far - we never regret the pain it caused or the fears it awoke - we became stronger as a couple and individuals. "For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth. "
As khalil gibran says,ones that only seek Love´s peace and pleasure,would do better not to ever fall in love.
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posted July 13, 2008 12:44 PM
oh! well according to this article, it looks like there is a potential for both to uncover the wounds of the other. maybe the moon moreso because it just feels the chiron's hurt. looks to me like it's about dealing with PAST hurts to heal them though. i don't see that it means we will actually hurt the other.. though depending on the person, opening up past hurts may feel like being hurt all over again.IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted July 13, 2008 12:46 PM
ahhh! beautiful diandra!! just lovely!IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2008 02:30 PM
Beautiful words diandra, thanks.  Venus in Gemini: this is quite insightful, so would you equate moon conjunct chiron in synastry and composite to a moon conjunct pluto then? I took the liberty to rephrase what you wrote and understand it as two people who stand completely emotionally naked in each other's gaze (wounds, pus and all) and that's strictly a plutonian job, the nakedness bit. This is quite intriguing, would you only limit then to the moon (emotions) or would say extend it to the sun and other planets? IP: Logged |
Diandra23
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posted July 13, 2008 02:53 PM
The last words under the " " are from Gibran,not mine,but i will surely woulnt mind to discover such a treasure in me,of expressing myself so beautifully the way he does - im workin´on it though  Heart Cakes, having that aspect with yourlover you will surely know how this aspect works - it´s not that easy cause the moon person also suffers - we suffer knowing we open the wounds,but to me LOVE is healing and the heal occurs in both,not only in the wounded person. You´re right:it deals with past ( from this life) and with more ancient Lifes too. But you know sth? As incredibely as it may sound... people get even more attached to the other when pain and suffering is involved: When times are easy and no developming process occurs,not only the persons stagnate,but also LOVE.
It seems that for love to grow,there has to be wounds to heal,problems to be solved,and hearts to mend. At least this is what has been happening to us:as more the healing occurs,the more we keep ourselves most intimate treasures to each other. IP: Logged |
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posted July 13, 2008 05:07 PM
Diandra,
Thank you for your thoughts. And as I said before, your insight is usually quite accurate. I’m not sure how it will play out, because I have only met him a couple of times. But from what I know about my guys’s ex-wife, his sons didn’t grow up with a mother who was loving and nurturing. I feel like that is something I will give to him, because that’s just me. That’s how I am. To go through life knowing that your mother didn’t love you, or couldn’t show you that she loved you, is a pain that most of us want to forget. Or at least bury it down so far that we don’t think about it. What I have found in my relationships is that I always seem to be the one to give all the love, all the emotional support…but it never comes back to me. So maybe that’s one of my wounds that will finally be healed in this relationship. Neptune’s Muse,
That’s very interesting about it being similar to Moon Conjunct Pluto. At first I thought, no, because Chiron is more along the lines of Saturn. But I went back and looked at some of my notes for Moon Conjunct Pluto (because I have that in my own natal chart), and it says “Pluto here suggests the unearthing of secrets which the moon would rather keep private.” So I guess, yes, it is the same nakedness aspect. The other person sees your wound, because they have the same wound. And you know, you have to open the wounds in order for them to heal.
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posted July 14, 2008 06:02 PM
diandra, thanks! yeah, we've only been contact again for about a week but it's been very thorough and deep. he pours his heart out to me and reveals many of his hurts. feels very healing and i'm glad to be able to nurture him easily. i guess it helps that he is very revealing of his feelings, whereas i imagine if they were there but he didn't want to face them, with this aspect it could be more painful!! thanks so much.. i agree with everything you wrote IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2008 10:20 PM
hi all sweet snowflakes do you know what orb is allowed for this? I first found out about chiron through Magi and they only allow 3. In my my past relationship, my Chiron conjuncts my love's Moon exact and ...opposite his Sun 2 degree separating. oh the conflict, deep wounds, healing and everything...After all I still love him so much...agape love I guess.. I hardly see him after we parted due to distance but whenever we have a chance, i'm so happy to see him again. forget all the pains...We heal each other.. IP: Logged |
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posted July 15, 2008 05:53 AM
Triple piscesMagi allows only for an orb of 3º but then again...if the person feels the aspect,then it´s their own truth adn so it´s the reality IP: Logged |
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posted July 16, 2008 06:51 AM
Diandra, VIG  its nice to have real examples along with theory.. IP: Logged |
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posted March 01, 2009 08:23 PM
Hi everyone,
I was just wondering if moon trine Chiron would have the same effect. I have this aspect in my own chart with less than a degree orb, and my moon is also trine with the Chiron of this guy that I'm interested in. Thanks for any insights anyone may have.IP: Logged |
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posted June 21, 2012 04:21 PM
Hi, I just wanted to state that I have this in a new friendship/relationship.... his Chiron sits within 3 degrees of my moon and also within 3 degrees of my I.C. I found that about 2 weeks into spending time together that he was very much activating some very old wounds for me and causing pain. My own wound has to do with an abandonment in childhood and we had a very emotional conversation about it in which he kept encouraging me to talk to him about it and being very assuring (which was a bit surprising to me because it came out of a big blow-out that night.) He intimated he also has had a bad childhood with an issue with his father but seems unable/unwilling to talk about it at this point but I felt very much that he feels the pain too. It's interesting and a little intimidating at the same time. He prefers to keep his painful past locked down but I somehow just feel that it will come out when he's ready and he did tell me he would tell me his story one night. He's a very proud person so I think it's hard for him to appear vulnerable and I think my vulnerability makes him remember his own too.IP: Logged | |
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