posted August 01, 2008 06:53 PM           

i´ll read it tomorrow as now i am sleeping with mye eys open

posted August 01, 2008 08:25 PM         

The part where I confused you (ironically Neptunian) is where I threw in the fact that I also have Neptune in my 7th house. I mainly added that since his Merc/Neptune conjunction loosely conjuncts my 7th-house Neptune as well, which seemed to be a theme in terms of the Ascendant/Descendant Axes between us.

Interestingly, Neptune rules my 11th house which in a 1 degree orb to his Ascendant, since we're talking about Axes here. Jupiter is the ruler of my 7th house and his Merc/Neptune conjunction is in the (Jupiter-ruled) 9th house.

posted August 01, 2008 09:54 PM           

quote:

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- DSC-sign
- ruler of 7 in sign and most importantly house
- ruler of 7 in conjunction to other planets (you can`t separate planets that are conjunct from each other)
- planets in 7

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Having read this thread I'm not in full understanding of how one would use this above information. Say a man with:

DSC sign Cancer
Moon in Leo
Moon in the 7th house
Moon conjunct Jupiter and Pluto in the 7th.

How would one interpret this case?

As you've mentioned, your 7th house ruler is your "personal Venus" (great idea by the way), so his personal Venus is the Moon.

posted August 02, 2008 05:02 AM           

"DSC sign Cancer
Moon in Leo
Moon in the 7th house
Moon conjunct Jupiter and Pluto in the 7th."

So, DSC - Cancer
Ruler of 7 in Leo
Ruler of 7 in 7 (yes, you are right relationships seem to be extremely important)
Ruler of 7 conjunct Jupiter
ruler of 7 conjunct Pluto
Jupiter in 7
Pluto in 7

- The DSC in Cancer and ruler of 7 in 7 would lay the seed for his relationships urges (ruler of 7 in a house is always the most dominant factor; the sign of the ruler of 7 would colour that)-

- next in importance, sometimes it feels equally important, because those planets are expressed in relationships very strongly (but those planets and relationship serve another purpose, they are not purely YOU-oriented): Jupiter and Pluto in 7

I`d say the predominant theme of his relationship pattern is:

Venus (through 7th house)
Jupiter (Jupiter in 7)
Pluto (Pluto in 7)

A possible partner would need to have some strong Venus, Jupiter, Pluto - emphasis; that can happen in two ways:

1) similiarity: then he really has Venus, Jupiter, Pluto

2) complimentary differences: then he would have Mars (for Venus), Saturn (for Jupiter), or Neptune (for Mars)

3) there is also the possibilitiy that he has those planets in strong connection to Sun or Moon (because they are soo important in every person)

Example:
Our Mr Relationship seeks Venus-energy, he would be completely drawn to a woman who expresses this Venus-energy strongly; the perfect case would be someone, who has Venus in connection to ASC / 1st house:

Libra - ASC
Venus in 1
ASC conjunct Venus
Ruler of 1st house in 7

This would be the woman his 7th-house-dreams are made of. Now let`s imagine he mets such a woman. She has Libra - ASC, and his ruler of 7th house even happens to conjunct her Libra-ASC exactly.
Now our young friend would be in heavenly bliss (if it wasn`t too much happiness to him. lol).

He also has Jupiter and Pluto in 7th house. How about a lady with:

Sag - ASC, Sun or Moon
Jupiter and Pluto in 1st house
AC conjunct Jupiter or Pluto
Sun / Moon in strong aspect to Jupiter and Pluto
I`d even include Venus and Mars aspects to Jupiter and Pluto here, because the 7th house is a Venus-house.

If he with Pluto in 7 meets someone with Venus aspecting Pluto, there would be a certain affinity and familiarity. Both have a similiar take on relationships. But this connection is more of similiarities than of "opposites attract".
Pluto aspecting ASC would be good for the ATtraction-thingy. Also chartruler in 8th house for example.

Ah we can make it even more complicated, Venus is the complimentary part to Mars, and Pluto has also a complimentary part and that is Neptune.
So someone with Venus-Pluto (Pluto in 7th house) could also feel attracted to Mars- Pluto (we covered that), Venus-Neptune and Mars - Neptune, but the connection between a Venus-Pluto and a Mars-Neptune may be a bit difficult to put it mildly. They are quite different from each other, and yet there could be strong attraction.

But the easiest, instinctual, most palpaple attraction really is created if someone has your 7th house-connections (ruler of 7 in 1 in my case) in relation to his 1st house. That is key and lock. Period.
(No matter how unromantic the houses may seem. .

In my case: ruler of 7 in 1 - I would go gaga over a Mars-man. LOL
No seriously, a man with Aries-ASC, ARies intercepted in 1st house, ruler of 1 in 1 or conjunct Mars, or even to a lesser degree of Sun in Aries or in aspect to Mars would drive me pretty nuts.

There are of course other placements, but this one would be a sign of a very instinctual, not mindcontrolled magnetism.

posted August 02, 2008 05:16 AM           

An attraction to someone else`s 1st house is one that is based on instincts, the essence of one`s being, genetics (Smell for example). It`s most instant (of course sometimes there takes some denial place, because it doesn`T seem appropriate or something like this).

An attraction to someone elses 7th house or Venus is based on similiar perceptions of relationships. You want and need the same. Good common ground for a lasting relationship. Like having a Venus-Venus-aspect, nice and beautiful and harmonious and romantic, but maybe some spice is lacking (now if you both have Venus-Pluto, I take the comment about the lack of spice back ).

An attraction to someone else`s Sun would be more an attraction to the general personality of the other one, the way he or she expresses himself and acts generally is very appealing to you.

An attraction to someone else`s Moon would have strong emotional overtones. You`re attracted to someone else`s emotional core.

posted August 02, 2008 05:50 AM           

Person 1:

Sun:
27° Sag in 10th house
conjunct Moon, conjunct MC, square Saturn

Mars:
11° Virgo in 6th house
conjunct Jupiter, square Mercury

Moon:
28° Sag in 10th house
conjunct Sun, conjunct MC, square Saturn

Venus:
26° Capricorn in 11th house
square Pluto, trine Saturn

DSC:
23° Virgo (trine Venus; sextile Uranus, square Sun and Moon)

ruler of DSC, Mercury:
09° Sagittarius in 9th house
square Mars, square Jupiter

Libra in 7th house
co-ruler, Venus:
26° Capricorn in 11th house
square Pluto, trine Saturn

Saturn in 7 (conjunct DSC)
Pluto in 7

ASC: 23° Pisces (sextile Venus, square Sun and Moon, trine Uranus)

ASC-ruler, Neptune:
20° Sagittarius in 9th house
widely conjunct Sun (7°)

old ASC-ruler, Jupiter:
10° Virgo in 6th house
conjunct Mars, square Mercury

Aries intercepted in 1st house
ruler, Mars:
11° Virgo in 6th house
conjunct Jupiter, square Mercury

5th house in Cancer
ruler (Moon):
28° Sagittarius in 10th house
conjunct Sun and MC, square Saturn

Person 2:

Sun: 26° Sagittarius in 1st
conjunct Mercury, antiscia VEnus

Mars: 05° Sagittarius in 12th
conjunct Neptune, square Jupiter, sextile Pluto

[bg]Moon: 17° Aquarius in 2nd [/b]
quinkunx Saturn

Venus: 06° Capricorn in 1st
square Pluto, antiscia Sun and Mercury
(widely sextile Jupiter and Uranus, but since Venus is at the exact midpoint of that Jupiter-Uranus I include it here)

DSC: 07° GEmini (square Juptier, trine Pluto)
ruler of 7, Mercury
25° Sagittarius in 1st
conjunct Sun, antiscia Venus

ASC: 07° Sagittarius (conjunct Mars, conjunct Neptune, square Jupiter, sextile Pluto)

ruler of ASC, Jupiter
11° Pisces in 3rd house
square Neptune,s quare Mars, trine Saturn

Sun in 1
Mercury in 1
Venus in 1
Neptune in 1

5th house:
Taurus
ruler (Venus)
6° Capricorn in 1st house
square Pluto, antiscia Sun and MErcury, widely sextile Jupiter (5°), widely sextile Uranus (5°)

What would you say?
Would these persons be attracted to each other?
What kind of "interest" could there be?
Would one be more attracted and attached as the other? Who would that be?

I`m really curious if you see some connections here.

(Oh and btw my personal theory is, that the potential for attraction is scripted in the natals; like the DSC-ruler of one person in 7, and the other one having a Libra - ASC; but to EXPRESS this attraction, to really live it, you would need to have synastric aspects between the personal planets and angles or to the rulers of 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th or even 8th house).

So, if you see some attraction here, would it have a chance to be expressed in some way? (strictly astrologically speaking of course ).

EDIT:
BTW the one most attracted is always the one who gets his DSC-needs fulfilled, since the DSC represents what we need and are attracted to. The ASC-partner is just there and innocently going along the way, not even aware at first that he got the DSC`s attention.
Of course in most cases, if someone is attracted to you, you will at least reciprocrate with some kind of friendly interest, that could develop into something more.
Also, most of the times both persons will have their DSC triggered in any way (you never get ALL wishes fulfilled).
But in the rare cases, in which one person fits completeley to the other DSC, but there are really NO connections the other way round, we may have to deal with a very one sided attraction. (5th house plays a role here, too. For ex. one partner could see the other as serious relationshipmaterial - 7th house needs fulfilled-, while the other is only interested in a good time, a romantic affair - 5th house-, even though the 5th house-emphasis can be very sexy in a playful way. I`d prefer to have it all. )

posted August 02, 2008 06:26 AM           

The central aspects are those with an orb until 3°, and the less obvious ones are those who have an orb of 3° - 6°.
I can live with that I guess.

Actually my mind is tempted to say, there are more groups of orbs:

posted August 02, 2008 09:50 AM         

interesting theory and although I havent been on Lindaland too often lately, I just wanted to emphasize Janes comments - just like her I always really enjoyed your posts and I get the distinct feeling, hey I'm learning s.th. here! And I love to pamper my learning curve :-)

I dont have enough experience to tell you who is feeling more with your example, but I would definitely think there is some mutual attraction. You both have that AC-DC linkage, so what his DC is seeking, your Sag. AC is delivering, and what your DC really wants, his AC ruler in Sag. can give you. So yes, my verdict is, mutual attraction. And also, you both have venus in capricorn, evne though they are not conjunct, it would still bode well in terms of romantic attraction and general feel good factor.

What I found interesting (I assume you are the second person?) You and I both have venus in capricorn, and we both have our DC ruler in the 1st house.....So there is a bit of similiarity in what we both seek in a partner. Now, I assume the first person is s.o. you are attracted to? If so, there is definitely a strong similarity between who you are attracted to and the guy I was most strongly attracted to (never worked out). He also has venus in capricorn in 11th house. Also has a pisces ascendant, with ascendant ruler neptune in sagittarius in the 9th house. And also has aries intercepted in the 1st house. So there is definitely some cross over there in terms of who we seek and then ended up finding attractive :-) Your theories seem to work...

What I would be interested in is how do you think a venus in capricorn in the 11th house manifests? And also how do you think would a virgo DC with its ruler mercury in capricorn in the 11th manist? What kind of woman would this man seek? Someone who has a strong 11th house emphasis, or uranus strongly placed?

I'm just wondering because this guy I had mentioned and I never got together, despite there being seemingly some attraction. We had numerous 1st house- 7th house cross overs in line with your theory, my moon and pluto in his 7th house, some beautiful IC conjunctions, great venus action, and his 5th house cancer was 'covered' by my cancer ascendant. With all my capricorn/saturn emphasis I did offer something to his venus in capricorn in the 11th house opposite saturn. And also to his DC ruler mercury in capricorn opposite saturn in teh 11th.

posted August 02, 2008 01:29 PM         

you wrote 3 things, right?

1.THE RULER OF ONE ASCENDANT OR DESCENDANT MUST BE CONJUNCT THE HORIZON IN THE OTHER NATIVITY;

2.OR, EITHER TWO OF THE FOUR RULERS OF BOTH HORIZONS MUST BE CONJUNCT, IN ANY COMBINATION;

3. OR, EITHER RULER, FROM THE OTHER NATIVITY, OF ONE'S HORIZON MUST BE CONJUNCT ONE'S ASCENDANT OR DESCANDANT.

what is the difference between 1 and 3, plz? they seem to be the exact same thing. or am I getting it wrong?

posted August 02, 2008 03:19 PM         

I can however include
my boyfriends Neptune(Sag) square my Ascendant (Pisces)
also his As(Tuarus) trine my Neptune (Cap)

posted August 02, 2008 03:26 PM         

I was wondering the same thing til I looked at the examples:

1. Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward: Both have a Capricorn rising; Her Saturn is conjunct his ascendant.

2. Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana has a Sagittarius rising; Her Jupiter is conjunct his Aquarius descendant.

3. Bill and Hilary Clinton: Bill has an Aries setting; Hilary has a Gemini rising; His Mercury conjunct her Mars

Based on these, I understood it to mean:

1. Ruler of one person's AC will conjunct the other's AC

2. Ruler of one's AC or DC will conjunct the other's AC or DC

3. Planet rulers of either AC/DC will conjunct eachother...even in reversal. (For example, I'm a Libra Rising/he's a Leo Rising...MY sun will conjunct HIS Venus.)

Hope I got it right!

posted August 03, 2008 12:23 AM         

My parents have been married for over 30 yrs and have rule number 3 but over 5 degree orb AND it's an opposition.

posted August 03, 2008 07:57 AM         

your venus in gemini example DOESN'T fit any of the three-parts rule. that would be 'one's asc must be in the same sign as the other's asc ruler'. so that's just a new thing - maybe you've read it in the book some place else; but had nothing to do with the first post of this thread.

the horizon is the SAME thing as the Asc-Desc axis; saying it conjs the horizon is another way of saying ot conj EITHER the Asc OR the Desc. is the same thing. identical.

if you have libra on your Asc, than your horizon is libra-aries. the sign of your Asc ruler, venus, is AN OTHER thing.

another thing: your example offers another info "as long as there are two conjunctions"; where did you get that? 'in any combination' does NOT logically infer that teher needs to be a MUTUAL aspect, a two way asp; the examples you give in the first post, the famous ppl, don't have the both way. so... is eglish your first language? we're going in circles here.

having the rulers conj is the 2ND part of the rule, not the 3rd.

any combination means any combination of TWO, by combining the FOUR rulers; we have Asc 1 - Desc 1, and Asc 2 - Desc 2 for the 2 people. so we have the following combinations possible:

1.R-Asc1 conj Asc2
R-Asc1 conj Desc2

2.R-Desc1 conj Asc2
R-Desc1 conj Desc2

3.
R-Asc1 conj R-Asc2
R-Asc1 conj R-Desc2

R-Desc1 conj R-Asc2
R-Desc1 conj R-Desc2

posted August 03, 2008 01:50 PM           

Her Venus fits into the rules, IF it is conjunct the ASC.

However, as far as I have researched this rule, I found out two more things.

1. it works for opposition and antiscia, too

2. there is very often a conjunction, opposition or antisciaconnection from DSC / DSC-R to IC / IC-r to the other person.

Actually there seems to be either an ASC-DSC-connection or an DSC-IC-connection.

Those connection give a high probability of a strong attraction and inner bonding (nothing is ever really guaranteed, though), but of course it doesn`t mean they have to lead to marriage. Also, marriage can have many causes, not only attracton and love (many people marry for friendship, to avoid being alone, security or even to have regularly sex without the need to pay for it).

I think it would be very interesting to see synastries of people, who are NOT interested in each other and still have these strong connections. (Like me and Antonio Banderas )

One more thing: the 7th house and 1st house are giving hints to what we are attracted, too, but the true union, fusion, marriage happens in the 8th house.
In the 7th house you are attracted and interested in a partner, but can you live with him? Can you let him real close?

In my case there is a definite problem here. I may be attracted heavily to the Mars-Mercury - Jupiter type (Gemini DSC with Mercury in SAg in 1).
But to allow intimacy and closeness I need something totally different:
Cancer on cusp, ruler Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house; Saturn, Vertex and Eros in Cancer in 8th house.
so here I need Moon-Uranus-Venus (Taurus)-Saturn and Eros. WAY different.
It probably means that I can only find true connection with a man who is as complicated as I am. lol He would need to be open, enthusiastic, manly, philosophical and caring, intense, deep, VERY erotic and a bit "different" at the same time.

But it`s important to remember, it`s the 8th house, in which passion is being born, not the 7th house.
(And in the 5th house flirt and romance and sex for pleasure is being born. Sex in the 8th house is a matter of totally surrendering to another person).

As the fix house of the relatiosnhip-quadrant, the 8th is the place where the relationship manifests, it gets substance and depth there. The eight house shows to what we really, deeply commit. What do we need to be able to really let go and commit?
In my case security is a part of it (as the ruler of 8th house is in 2nd house) and it also has to be physically present I guess.

posted August 03, 2008 02:08 PM           

the short answer: Yes, I think, he would need an Uranian lady, too.

Well, the astrology school I quoted sais that the connecton of the ruler of DSC in house x is dominant, and will always be the most important.
They also say planets in signs are not that important, since they are not really individual. The big exception here are the sign the ASC and Moon are in (because they move so quickly; also signs on the angles are equally important). So an ASC or a Moon in Aquarius would be good here, I think.
(Sun and Moon and ASC seem to be the most important bodies, that can "fulfill" someone`s needs, because they are such an important part of the personality).
Oh btw regarding signs, personally I regard sign-positions up to Mars as important.

To express and live attraction you would need to see if there maybe are some disturbing aspects.
Also, and I think this point hasn`t been emphasized enough, all connections in the chart are dormant, they are always there. You need to have a special connection triggered. This can happen trhough progression or transits I think. A transit will force you to pay attention, and suddenly you really SEE the potential in the other one.

EX:
I`ve had a crush on a musical-star for very long, and all that time we`ve had my Moon exactly conjunct his SN, but only when it has been triggered by transits / progressions we actually coincidentally bumped into each other. (My Pr DSC-ruler, pr Venus, pr 5th house ruler and pr Antivertex were conjunct this conjunction; AND transiting Neptune was also conjunct, when we met, and now the transiting NN is moving towards it. Funny isn`t it?)

RElationship really works on at least 3 levels:

1. natals
Are you my type? Can I feel close to you? Is there an inner affinity? (a comparision of the DSC-ASC-IC-8th house rulers and Sun, MOon, Venus and Mars in each chart)
THat is the POTENTIAL for attraction I think.

2. synastry
Can we express this attraction? How?
Here you look at connection between those p lanets and rulrs in a reasonable orb (5° the most). It is especially interesting to see if natal parallels are repeated.
EX:
Person 1 has Venus-Pluto
Person 2 has Mars- Pluto
Is there a Venus-Pluto aspect in the synastry? Or a connection from 7th and 8th house?
This is the EXPRESSION of that attraction or inner bond.

3. WHEN will we express our feelings for each other?
the ACTUAL EXPRESSION. TIMING: OPPORTUNITY

I mean, you can be totally attracted to someone without doing anything about it, ever.

Just my little theory.

posted August 03, 2008 10:40 PM         

darkdreamer -

"I`m brilliant and intellectually irresistible?"

Well, of course there's that, but that goes without saying. That's what fascinates me about synastry...there are many brilliant people out there, many people worthy of attention, but I love investigating what makes one of them stand out from the crowd for us. What it is that makes a particular individual irresistible to another particular individual.

So I see that your chart ruler, Jupiter, opposes my Jupiter (about 1.5º). Jupiter, as the dispositor of both of our suns, is probably extra important for us. Jupiter rules my 2nd house and co-rules my 5th house.

Uranus, your 3rd house ruler, widely conjuncts my ASC at 5º Sco. And its ancient ruler, Saturn, widely opposes my Venus at 13º Cap. I suppose I have an extra-strength Venus in terms of what I'm attracted to since it also rules my DSC. Your 3rd house is bombarding my ASC and 7th house ruler--no wonder I can't resist.

posted August 03, 2008 10:51 PM         

Jane! Please! This is a public forum!

So good to see you here again, hunny!

posted August 03, 2008 11:43 PM         

On a side note...since you're the only one who will appreciate this...I started watching A & E's P & P w/ Colin and Jennifer again for the 5 millionth time the other night!