posted August 27, 2008 03:28 PM              

What a treasure trove.

IQ has answered some questions of mine that are impossible to find elsewhere!

Darkdreamer: I think you answered this before with a positive interpretation but I didn't jot it down. What about Valentine opposite Sun/Mars?

And natal Amor conjunct the natal Descendant would mean someone who loves being married? What if it is also conjunct Pan? Does this sexualise Amor?

Someone I know has some very sexual aspects in his natal chart imo: sun conjunct venus conjunct mars conjunct eros in the 8th house; amor conjunct pan conjunct DSC; 7th house ruler conjunct Pluto in 7th house; Lust conjunct IC (included because as an angle it will enhance the Lust asteroid's strength). Am I imagining it or is this a sex-mad set of aspects for a man?

IQ talks about the IC as the "you in you" - Kim Falconer talks about the IC as the most hidden (from yourself) part of you? How would you describe the IC and it's function in synastry as well. I have both Ceres and Juno conjunct my IC.

The IC as 'roots' also interests me. How long is it before someone sees the "you in you"? I suppose it depends on what of theirs aspects your IC. If someone's IC conjuncts your own, they may never become aware of "the you in you".

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I consider it (Juno)to represent the external qualities in a woman that are appealing enough to a man to make him propose.

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posted August 27, 2008 03:48 PM            

What say ye to this:

My Medea conjunct my moon opposite his Medea 1 degree. (This is dream man.)

8th

ETA: His Anteros is opposite my Sun/Chiron/Saturn.

His Ophelia is conjunct his MC/my name asteroid/his Jupiter/my Vertex!

posted August 28, 2008 05:10 AM            

Now I'm going to play student and pain in the bottom and throw some astro combos at you, I'd like to get your interpretation on them considering my asteroidal knowledge is still quite poor. I still have to check up on the ones I provided earlier on and I need to read up on them again, it'll take me quite a while for it all to sink in. You've answered this first one but I'd like you take on it:

23 Karma 19°38’46 Libra

JT Adonis 20°26’20"Lib 

23 Moon 20°39’ 8"Libra

JT Hera 20°51’15" Libra

23's nigel conj her eros (Nigel is JT's first name, shocking I know)

JT osiris conj 23's first asteroid name in her chart

23's first asteroid name in JT's chart conj 23's BML

23's first astroid name in her chart conj JT chiron

JT moon conj 23's hera

JT's Amor conj 23's hera

JT's moon 13°20’23"
Tau
23 Hera 12°11’35"Tau

JT Amor 14°32’32"Tau

JT Psyche 14°54’55"Tau

23 Isis 15°12’27

23 Anti-vertex 16°21’13"

23 SN 18°42’ 9"Tau

JT Isis 19°59’41" Tau

23's juno conj JT's NN - both opp 23's amor and nigel's Link

23's memoria conj JT's jupiter and trine his mars/eros
23's memoria opp JT's sun/venus
JT's memoria conj 23s ASC

JT's karma conj 23's destin

JT 23's second name in his birth chart conj JT's BML

I am very interested on your take on memoria and link. What do you think the respective parties bring to the aspects?

That's just some of the stuff...I'm sorry, it's a lot. I think if I look closer unfortunately, there's a hell of lot more....thanks in advance

posted August 28, 2008 09:37 AM              

"What about Valentine opposite Sun/Mars?"
In a natal or synastry?

"And natal Amor conjunct the natal Descendant would mean someone who loves being married?"
Yes. Also, will marry for love and no other reason.

"What if it is also conjunct Pan? Does this sexualise Amor?"
Yes, and bringing some chaos, panic and earthly pleasures into it all. Pan is a very raw, untamed, primal energy.

"ded because as an angle it will enhance the Lust asteroid's strength)"
Aspects to angles are always important.
I have Lust conjunct my NN and ASC btw. lol
I have never expressed that though.

". Am I imagining it or is this a sex-mad set of aspects for a man?"
DEfinitely, just the Sun-Venus-Mars-Eros linkup in the 8th house would be very sexual and erotic.

"How would you describe the IC and it's function in synastry as well."
I think both are right. The IC is the core of your soul, your very essence. There`s nothing deeper in yours oul than the IC. And that is probably the reason it`s often hidden; it`s such a vulnerable point, that people tend to not show it too easily; sometimes they don΄t even look there themselves! If you let someone come in there and he violates that sensitive core of you, this could have very destructive consequences for you. On the other hand someone who touches your IC and loves you for that, for your core, can make you feel like you finally have come home.
Blashke sais that in soulmate relationships there are ALWAYS conjunctions or solstice -conjunctions of one`s planets to the IC of the partner. PErsonally I have noticed he is right, and even more so, in most cases the IC or ruler of IC connects to the ruler of the other angles, like DC-ruler conjunct IC for example.
Hmm, let`s put it this way, at the IC you`re naked, completely stripped bare (your soul is at least), defenceless (this is actually the place in your soul you try to protect by building walls and high defenses), it`s the most receptive point, and from own experience I can say you will never forget the man that touches you so deep inside.
Musicman`s Sun was in my 4th house and his DSC-ruler, IC-ruler and ERos were conjunct my IC. I can`t even begin to describe the depth of feelings I had for him, and that it really almost destroyed me, when I realized this was never to be. It then made me strong in a nother way, but don`t underestimate the IC and especially conjunctions to your IC. If there`s a place where oyu can find soulmates (and soulenemies) and the ONE, your true home, your soul, then it is there, at midnight on the bottom of the chart, hidden from view.
I once described the IC in a post to PA. But I don`t know where it is now.

" have both Ceres and Juno conjunct my IC."
A deep inner longing for caring, nurturing and true commitment. The true soulpartner.

"The IC as 'roots' also interests me. How long is it before someone sees the "you in you"?"
It depends. Some will never see it. And those who are allowed in there, are truely blessed. BTW here are also your past life memories stored (and in the DRaco`s. But the Draco`s are similiar to the IC, as both are related to the Moon; IC is Moon ruled, and Draco`s are calculated by using Moon`s nodes).

"If someone's IC conjuncts your own, they may never become aware of "the you in you"."
No, actually I think those people would be very very close to each other. Their cores would be in synch. Even though would they like it? That someone sees through them, through all their little games and attempts to appear strong? Would they want the other to see their naked soul, even if it is basically the same?
It depends on the aspects and planets on the IC.

"In a woman's chart I suppose is Juno just another element of her femininity like Venus and Ceres and the Moon."
And additonally it signifies her desire to commit and to what she really commits.

Eighth,

"My Medea conjunct my moon opposite his Medea 1 degree. (This is dream man.)"
Emotional obsession, deeply passionate, almost to the point of exhaustion or despair.
Also, if cheated on or disappoint, the risk of getting really destructive.
I think it`s best if Medea is equally aspected in both charts.
Why?
Medea was the one who completely fell for Jason and gave up everything to him and loved him desperately, passionately. But he didn`T return her feelings. He used her for sex and power. And later on dumped her,s o he could further his own power by marrying someone else, which made her kill his new bride and her own children just to punish him. Medea can mean love turned to hate.

So, I think if both Medea`s are aspected it`s better, because both would be passionate about the other one. If only your MEdea had strong aspects to his chart, it might point to a one sided passion (or at least the strenght of feelings would be different).

posted August 28, 2008 09:59 AM              

"23 Karma 19°38’46 Libra

JT Adonis 20°26’20"Lib 

23 Moon 20°39’ 8"Libra

JT Hera 20°51’15" Libra"
Hey his Adonis is in the same sign as mine and my crushe`s!

A spellbound karmic emotional connection with the desire to make it last.
But who is spellbound by whom?

"23's nigel conj her eros (Nigel is JT's first name, shocking I know)"
Ah I know that one. My name is conjunct P`s Eros in his chart. I LOVE this one. lol

Well, I`d say someone with the energy of Nigel will make her feel very erotic and seem like her erotic ideal. She would be very drawn to that energy. But as there are many Nigel`s out there (as are many Darkdreamer`s ) I`d check, if his name in your chart (your Nigel) is connection to any of his personal points preferably Sun, Mars, ASC or ASC-ruler (in my case my name in his chart is conjunct my chartruler and squares my ASC and sextiles my Venus - hey it`s me! I am written in his chart! How COOL is that? ).

"JT osiris conj 23's first asteroid name in her chart"
A soulmate connection?

"23's first asteroid name in JT's chart conj 23's BML"
He or how he sees you (your asteroid name in his chart) l ures the dark mysterious deeply sexual woman inside you out (your BML).

"JT's moon 13°20’23"
Tau
23 Hera 12°11’35"Tau

JT Amor 14°32’32"Tau

JT Psyche 14°54’55"Tau

23 Isis 15°12’27

23 Anti-vertex 16°21’13"

23 SN 18°42’ 9"Tau

JT Isis 19°59’41" Tau"
A past life lived as spouses, full of love, caring and understanding.

"23's juno conj JT's NN - both opp 23's amor and nigel's Link"
The connection reaches into this life and becomes part of the future path. A tight and lasting link based on love.

"23's memoria opp JT's sun/venus
JT's memoria conj 23s ASC"
Both will be memorable to each other (if they meet). And probably a good chance that they will remember each other.

"JT's karma conj 23's destin"
His past karma links to your future destiny.
I see it this way, that Karma relates to the lessons of the past (past lives) and that destiny points us towards our future. A bit like SN (Karma) and NN (Destiny).

"JT 23's second name in his birth chart conj JT's BML"
You become the personification of his anima, the woman who could drive him insane with lust (or the one he fears like the devil fears holy water).

"I am very interested on your take on memoria and link. What do you think the respective parties bring to the aspects?"#I`m not completely sure, but i think memoria could relate to your memory and how you remember things or people.
And link could signify just a link between two persons.

Interestingly, Patrick`s Link conjuncts his Venus exactly and my Link also conjuncts his LInk / Venus exactly. lol

posted August 28, 2008 11:47 AM              

If she links to the IC of the other person, the IC-person`s essence and core of her soul will arouse those passionate feelings in the Sappho person. Even though I must say, Sappho always has some sense of style; it`s never just a simple "I want you, so I jump you" like Mars could actually do.
it`s a very heady sensuality, intoxicating, like your mind suddenly is filled with mist and you`re just mesmerized with the "object" of your lust.

If Sappho connects to one`s ASC and Pluto, I guess it is the appearance, the physical being of the ASC-person that arouses those feelings inside Sappho. Pluto will make this very intense and obsessive.

Yet, this is a square aspect, so despite an undeniable sparkling strong attraction there will be difficulties and challenges. the ASC-Pluto person is not really what Sappho is seeking, yet Sappho is intrigued and attracted, but maybe both person are not very compatible in the long term (only in terms of this one aspect). Or Sappho doesn`t WANT to be attracted, because she senses that the other person is so different. But with the square aspect you don`t really have a choice (unless you withdraw into selfdenial), there WILL be energy and chemistry, just it could be a bit unstable. Maybe even an on and off thing.

posted August 28, 2008 11:51 AM              

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"What about Valentine opposite Sun/Mars?"
In a natal or synastry?

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Sorry darkdreamer, I meant in synastry.

Excellent interpretations in your post answering my questions. I really appreciate it.

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"because as an angle it will enhance the Lust asteroid's strength)"
Aspects to angles are always important.
I have Lust conjunct my NN and ASC btw. lol
I have never expressed that though.

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Oh I think your passion for spiritual journeying shows.

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The IC is the core of your soul, your very essence. There`s nothing deeper in your soul than the IC. And that is probably the reason it`s often hidden; it`s such a vulnerable point, that people tend to not show it too easily; sometimes they don΄t even look there themselves! If you let someone come in there and he violates that sensitive core of you, this could have very destructive consequences for you. On the other hand someone who touches your IC and loves you for that, for your core, can make you feel like you finally have come home…..

…..at the IC you`re naked, completely stripped bare (your soul is at least), defenceless (this is actually the place in your soul you try to protect by building walls and high defenses), it`s the most receptive point, and from own experience I can say you will never forget the man that touches you so deep inside…..

…..Some will never see it. And those who are allowed in there, are truely blessed. BTW here are also your past life memories stored (and in the DRaco`s. But the Draco`s are similiar to the IC, as both are related to the Moon; IC is Moon ruled, and Draco`s are calculated by using Moon`s nodes).

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This is an extremely thoughtful explanation of the IC. It helps illuminate the draco IC too.

Note: I had a longterm boyfriend conjunct my IC with his Moonruler Saturn, and it was definitely tough on me.

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don`t underestimate the IC and especially conjunctions to your IC. If there`s a place where oyu can find soulmates (and soulenemies) and the ONE, your true home, your soul, then it is there, at midnight on the bottom of the chart, hidden from view.

"If someone's IC conjuncts your own, they may never become aware of "the you in you"."
No, actually I think those people would be very very close to each other. Their cores would be in synch. Even though would they like it? That someone sees through them, through all their little games and attempts to appear strong? Would they want the other to see their naked soul, even if it is basically the same?

It depends on the aspects and planets on the IC.

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Another excellent explanation.

Anyone who conjuncts my IC would automatically conjunct Juno and Ceres, and I'd be prone to want to commit and gain nurturing love from them. But if the aspects to me from another were conjunctions/oppositions/squares from Saturn/Mars/Pluto/Uranus – they would hurt me instead.

Anyway, much food for thought.

posted August 28, 2008 12:17 PM              

thank you for your appreciation of my explanation.

"What about Valentine opposite Sun/Mars?""
I think the Valentine would truely love the masculinity of the other one, and as it is an opposition this would be a rather strong and electrifying contact. The Valentine person would value the differences in the other one most.

"Oh I think your passion for spiritual journeying shows."
Oh yes, even though I think Lust might also relate to sexual things, especially since it is also conjunct Mars in my case. Well, my poor Mars is pressed in between Amor in the 12th house and Lust in the 1st house.

"It helps illuminate the draco IC too."
It does?
Well, as I see it, the Draco IC is even more naked than naked then.

"Note: I had a longterm boyfriend conjunct my IC with his Moonruler Saturn, and it was definitely tough on me."
Yes, SAturn on the IC must feel very tough.

"Anyone who conjuncts my IC would automatically conjunct Juno and Ceres, and I'd be prone to want to commit and gain nurturing love from them."
Yes, and you would want to commit to them on a very deep level. Probably it also means, that once you have committed, it is almost impossible to break this bond and feelings of responsibility for the other person. Like, even though you may both be moving on, in a part of your heart you will still feel some attachment to them.

" But if the aspects to me from another were conjunctions/oppositions/squares from Saturn/Mars/Pluto/Uranus – they would hurt me instead."
Probably. But they will have a strong transformative influence anyway. Sometimes it can lead to a tremendous fascination, like you`re compelled to open up to them, even though you don`t really want and maybe the element of trust is missing.

Example: His Pluto falls into your 7th house squaring your IC. You will be consumed with hot attraction (Pluto in 7th house) and completely losing your mind about him, but at the same time there is a fear, something tells you that this man could be able to destroy you, to change you completely, if you allow him access to your soul. So you maybe try to close up to him (your IC). But this compelling attraction will not stop and after a time (not too long I suppose) he will sneak through your barriers. And as this is a square aspect he will not do it too gently. He will just hypnotize you to open up every door to him, like he is doing some magic to you.
And you do, open up completely, but at the same time you still will be scared of what he will do with his power over you. And after some time you will realize that he actually has destroyed a part of you. Another word for this would be "total transformation", and sometimes we need more than just a little bit of persuasion, which can be done by the square aspect.

That is if he i"s a "good" Plutonian, if he is not, it can get really ugly, destructive and cruel. The destruction of a soul so to speak.

posted August 28, 2008 01:40 PM              

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"What about Valentine opposite Sun/Mars?"

I think the Valentine would truely love the masculinity of the other one, and as it is an opposition this would be a rather strong and electrifying contact. The Valentine person would value the differences in the other one most.

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Even if the Sun/Mars is a woman? Or would that translate as Valentine being drawn to a woman partly because of her more solar/martian qualities or being drawn the qualities of the sign in which she has her Sun/Mars.

Assuming you wouldn't transfer the opposition into a form of repulsion or additional difficulty because of the change of sexes! (As in because a male might feel threatened with a female with masculine attributes).

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"It helps illuminate the draco IC too."
It does?

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posted August 28, 2008 01:51 PM              

I don`t think that`s a bad thing though.

"Assuming you wouldn't transfer the opposition into a form of repulsion or additional difficulty because of the change of sexes."
Nno, I don`t think so; after all the opposition connects the same modalities and compatible elements. There are differences in expression, but basically people with oppositions are compatible.

I think I changed my mind a bit regarding the complimentary nature of oppositions, as it is often seen. Complimentary means Yin meets Yang and female meets male. But in the case of opposition the genders are the same! Two masculine or two feminine signs.

I now think that the complimentary parts are more shown by antiscia and contrascia.

But the opposition still is a very sparkling aspect.
Even though I think there is a difference, wether the opposing planets are both the same gender (like Sun and Mars both being masculine planets) or wether they are of different Genders (like Sun and Venus). The Yin planets will be very much drawn to the male planets and vice versa.

Valentine now I believe to be a Yin planet (as most planets that symbolize love as opposed to sex and Sun and Mars are Yang - so bam, attraction!

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As a place of our personal Akashic Records."
Oh WOW, you are right! I never thought of that.

Jeez, what does it mean then that Patrick has his Draco Sun, Moon, MC and tropical Juno flat on my Draco IC.
And I have my Draco Pluto and Draco MC (and Anubis) flat on his Draco IC.

posted August 28, 2008 01:58 PM            

What is one persons ic and sign was in almost the exact same degree as the others 12th house sign?

posted August 28, 2008 02:02 PM              

If someone's venus is parallel my pluto in natal synastry and their pluto is quincunx my venus (0) does this qualify as a soulmate aspect please?

posted August 28, 2008 02:06 PM              

On the other hand parallels seem to work, as do quinkunxes in some way. Maybe it`s a weaker sign of soulmates?
A strong sign would have to include strong aspects, too, imo.
Even though we could discuss here what a strong aspect really is.

Is the Venus-Pluto-quinkunx part of a Yod? That would make it much stronger. The Yod is not called "Finger of God" forn othing I guess.

posted August 28, 2008 02:59 PM              

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Jeez, what does it mean then that Patrick has his Draco Sun, Moon, MC and tropical Juno flat on my Draco IC.
And I have my Draco Pluto and Draco MC (and Anubis) flat on his Draco IC.
Could there be a chapter about us in the Akasha records?

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Perhaps to live out your immortal connection together in this lifetime through Juno? The story goes way back to the beginning with you then him. The astrology tells us what's in the records (or let's us have a peek anyway!)

posted August 28, 2008 04:09 PM              

Not sure what a finger of yod/god is... but,
his pluto 20'54 virgo
my venus 21'13 aries
my neptune 25'41 scorpio and his neptune 23'47 scorpio

There are the usual suspect aspects such as AC/sun trine, mars/venus square exact, mars/pluto DW, osiris/isis conjunct etc.

posted August 28, 2008 04:26 PM              

"Perhaps to live out your immortal connection together in this lifetime through Juno?"
I like that thought.

You say "through Juno", because it is the tropical Juno? Like the anchor for those DRaconic planets?
Well in this case his Venus would play a certain role, too, I guess, as it is opposing all of this (and conjunct his own Dr IC), and my Destinn is involved in this, too, conjuncting his DR Sun and DR Moon.

" The story goes way back to the beginning with you then him."
That sounds like this is a very old story.

But yes, I actually reread a mail today I wrote BEFORE seeing him on that concert in february, which I was going to for someone else.
And it really really made the blood freeze in my veins.

I wrote:

"It`s the concert on saturday. I`m just going absolutely crazy here. Or
> no, this is worse than just getting crazy. I`m getting all weepy and
> whimsical and I don`t know what."

"WEll, I was feeling, I AM feeling, like I am pulled downwards, under
> water, like there`s an undertow, and I`m just powerless, weak.
> You ever felt like your very own judgement day was approaching? That`s
> how it feels to me right now.
> I don`t even know why I am so nervous and so afraid. I just am.
> Probably Paul won`t even be there, maybe he is gonna call in sick (I
> never count on him to be ACTUALLY there, when he is supposed to; I guess
> he has let me down in that regard one time too often)." (Paul was the reason I originally went there, and yes, he WAS sick at that day).

It`s like I KNEW, that I just knew something was to happen, that would alter, if not my life, so how I approach life. And I wrote that mail 4 days before the concert, I really couldn`t have known.

"That aspect sounds almost better in a way than Valentine conjunct Venus."
I like Valentine - Venus, too, but yes for attraction and chemistry Mars-Valentine or Sun-Valentine might be stronger.

"Geez DD, this is a crazy story of synchronicity... l don't wanna hijack and stop the traffic on your thread though, by explaining!"
Why don`t you start a thread on this in Lindaland Central or write me a mail then?

"Not sure what a finger of yod/god is... but,
his pluto 20'54 virgo
my venus 21'13 aries
my neptune 25'41 scorpio and his neptune 23'47 scorpio"
Yeah, I`d say you have a Yod. His Neptune sextiles his Pluto and both are quinkunx your Venus. It`s like both generational planets are focused on your Venus. Is there a planet opposite your Venus?

"here are the usual suspect aspects such as AC/sun trine, mars/venus square exact, mars/pluto DW, osiris/isis conjunct etc."
Oh that sounds hot and the Osiris / Isis conjunct sounds like true soulmate potential. Is this conjunction tied to personal Planets (like trining AS or Sun or anything like that?)

posted August 28, 2008 04:31 PM              

But if that indeed leads to stalking, that is something I can`t say.

EDIT: What about his NEssus? Does he also connects to her personal planets in a square or opposition?
I mean if several posessive asteroids / planets like Pluto, Mars, Nessus, Medea (and maybe even Persephone / Proserpina and Lilith) emphasize the same theme, then I would indeed get a bit worried (but one challenging aspect alone isn`t enough to be concerned; it`s the big picture that counts).

posted August 28, 2008 05:03 PM              

And my Akashi is conjunct his NN.

My DR Akashi is not only conjunct my own Sun, Mercury, Merlin, Circe and whatever, it is also conjunct his tropical Sun, Moon and MC! And also conjuncts Neptune, his chartruler, and Cupido. Wow!

His Akashi opposes my tropical Juno and DR Valentine exactly!
HIs DR Akashi EXACTLY conjuncts my DR Sun and Dr Mercury (and also my tropical Chiron).

Jeez, I just fell off my chair, did you hear that?

OH MY GOD!
I just checked the Transiting Akashi for the date of that concert.
Akashi was exactly conjunct my Kaali and conjuncted my SN and opposed his Mercury, his IC and DC-ruler.

Funny enough, the day we actually met and spoke with each other, Transiting Eros and DSC were very very close to that degree!

On the day of our first meeting there was an EXACT Akashi-Karma-conjunction on 10°08 Cancer. 0.00 ORB. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

This Akashi / Karma-conjunction also sat exact on our DAvison Descendant! And widely opposed DAvison Karma.

And you will not believe this, but the last lunar ecclipse was only 3° off the DAvison Akashi in Aquarius.

What the... has happened there?

posted August 28, 2008 05:15 PM              

ermmm well, no planets opposite but our pluto's are conjunct and so are our neptune's and siva is part of the finger too.

"here are the usual suspect aspects such as AC/sun trine, mars/venus square exact, mars/pluto DW, osiris/isis conjunct etc."
Oh that sounds hot and the Osiris / Isis conjunct sounds like true soulmate potential. Is this conjunction tied to personal Planets (like trining AS or Sun or anything like that?)"

His Osiris conjunct my isis (1)
His osiris sextile my valentine (0) opposes my neptune (3) conjunct my mars (1) trine my pluto (2)
my isis sextile his mars (0)/aphrodite (0) opposes his neptune (2)/siva (2) trine his pluto (0) squares his valentine/cupido (0)

hmmm
i'm going to start a thread !