posted August 28, 2008 05:41 PM              

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You say "through Juno", because it is the tropical Juno? Like the anchor for those DRaconic planets?

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Exactly.

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Well in this case his Venus would play a certain role, too, I guess, as it is opposing all of this (and conjunct his own Dr IC), and my Destinn is involved in this, too, conjuncting his DR Sun and DR Moon.

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" The story goes way back to the beginning with you then him."
That sounds like this is a very old story.

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Draco is such a fantastic addition to the toolbox isn't it?

It reveals rhythms of our past and links them into this lifetime through anchors from the draco to the tropical.

Great word 'anchors' by the way.

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But yes, I actually reread a mail today I wrote BEFORE seeing him on that concert in february, which I was going to for someone else.

And it really really made the blood freeze in my veins….

….It`s like I KNEW, that I just knew something was to happen, that would alter, if not my life, so how I approach life. And I wrote that mail 4 days before the concert, I really couldn`t have known.

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You certainly sensed it.

Also, you were supposed to remember that you knew. So you didn't forget it was pre-destined or that how you felt at the time. There is a message in that too.

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I like Valentine - Venus, too, but yes for attraction and chemistry Mars-Valentine or Sun-Valentine might be stronger.

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posted August 28, 2008 06:04 PM              

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And my Akashi is conjunct his NN.

My DR Akashi is not only conjunct my own Sun, Mercury, Merlin, Circe and whatever, it is also conjunct his tropical Sun, Moon and MC! And also conjuncts Neptune, his chartruler, and Cupido. Wow!

His Akashi opposes my tropical Juno and DR Valentine exactly! HIs DR Akashi EXACTLY conjuncts my DR Sun and Dr Mercury (and also my tropical Chiron).

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You're psychic, or were in other lives. Alternatively you are a very old soul and very wise with it. Considering your mail about the concert – then an older part of your soul is trying to get in touch with you and wake you up about this. You know him and you know him very very well, and he knows (and loves) you.

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On the day of our first meeting there was an EXACT Akashi-Karma-conjunction on 10°08 Cancer. 0.00 ORB. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

This Akashi / Karma-conjunction also sat exact on our DAvison Descendant! And widely opposed DAvison Karma.

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That is serious stuff.

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posted August 28, 2008 06:21 PM            

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posted August 29, 2008 03:02 AM            

By the way, JT's Akashi is conj my saturn. Oh it never ends...

(PS it took me a while to figure out what Akashi meant, when I looked it up, I got a Japanese town famous of octopus balls. I thought that maybe JT's octopus balls has something to do with my past??)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records

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The akashic records (akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space" or "aether") is a term used in theosophy to describe a compendium of mystical knowledge encoded in a non-physical plane of existence. These records are described to contain all knowledge of human experience and the history of the cosmos. They are metaphorically described as a library and other analogues commonly found in discourse on the subject include a 'universal computer' and the 'Mind of God'. Descriptions of the records assert that they are constantly updated and that they can be accessed through astral projection. The concept originated in the theosophical movements of the 19th Century, and remains prevalent in New Age discourse.

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posted August 29, 2008 03:12 AM            

I thought this was interesting as it describes Eros as we have - aries + venus, ie wilful (cardinal aries) and agonies (the piercing of mars). Oddly it talks about playful and sportive too - cupido..

http://www.bartleby.com/65/er/Eros-god.html

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Eros, in Greek religion and mythology


(r´s, r´–) (KEY) , in Greek religion and mythology, god of love. He was the personification of love in all its manifestations, including physical passion at its strongest, tender, romantic love, and playful, sportive love. According to some legends he was one of the oldest of the gods, born from Chaos and personifying creative power and harmony. In most legends he was the son of Aphrodite and Ares and was represented as a winged youth armed with bow and arrows. In Greek poetry Eros was often a willful and unsympathetic god, carelessly dispensing the frenzies and agonies of love. At Thespiae and at Athens he was worshiped as a god of fertility. In Hellenistic and Roman myth, he was represented as a naked, winged child, the son and companion of Venus. To the Romans he was Cupid, or Amor. Eros was sometimes attended by his brother, Anteros, who was said to be the avenger of unrequited love or the opposer of love. See also Psyche.

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And interestingly cupid is described here as the son of venus and mercury:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/146701/Cupid

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Cupid
Roman god
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ancient Roman god of love in all its varieties, the counterpart of the Greek god Eros and the equivalent of Amor in Latin poetry. According to myth, Cupid was the son of Mercury, the winged messenger of the gods, and Venus, the goddess of love; he usually appeared as a winged infant carrying a bow and a quiver of arrows, whose wounds inspired love or passion in his every victim. He was sometimes portrayed wearing armour like that of Mars, the god of war, perhaps to suggest ironic parallels between warfare and romance or to symbolize the invincibility of love.

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posted August 29, 2008 03:27 AM            

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Well, I`d say someone with the energy of Nigel will make her feel very erotic and seem like her erotic ideal. She would be very drawn to that energy. But as there are many Nigel`s out there (as are many Darkdreamer`s ) I`d check, if his name in your chart (your Nigel) is connection to any of his personal points preferably Sun, Mars, ASC or ASC-ruler (in my case my name in his chart is conjunct my chartruler and squares my ASC and sextiles my Venus - hey it`s me! I am written in his chart! How COOL is that? ).

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Yeah it gets pretty freaky AND personal when the name crops up. His family name, Taylor is opposed my moon and is 3 deg from both jupiter and chiron in the 1st! Oddly Nigel is *very* well aspected. Both eros and Nigel are conj Leibe and these are both trine pluto/mars. The asteroids are also all sextiling neptune/ASC. I haven't broken out in sweats for Nigel Mansell though

posted August 29, 2008 03:27 AM            

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"23's juno conj JT's NN - both opp 23's amor and nigel's Link"
The connection reaches into this life and becomes part of the future path. A tight and lasting link based on love.

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I quite enjoy aspects that span generations of life

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"JT's karma conj 23's destin"
His past karma links to your future destiny.
I see it this way, that Karma relates to the lessons of the past (past lives) and that destiny points us towards our future. A bit like SN (Karma) and NN (Destiny).

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Yes. that's what I thought!

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"I am very interested on your take on memoria and link. What do you think the respective parties bring to the aspects?"#I`m not completely sure, but i think memoria could relate to your memory and how you remember things or people.
And link could signify just a link between two persons.

Interestingly, Patrick`s Link conjuncts his Venus exactly and my Link also conjuncts his LInk / Venus exactly. lol

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Good to hear link works for you! My link is 4 deg apart from JT's. I think link is a really good one. I especially like memoria though and I find your take on memoria VERY interesting. I never saw it as meeting in this lifetime or a later one and then remembering from there. I've always seen it as a karmic thing and that's how I came about it, to see if there would be anything in the lists of the asteroids that points to prior recognition. You asked me before about JT and why it is so different and mentioned something about how he is just so familiar, that I know him from somewhere and could almost predict his behaviour on clips before I see it. Well I thought following the interactions of parties in aspects, the asteroid or planet brings those qualities to the aspect, so mars will be the lustful or angry part in an aspect, saturn responsible, father figure, stern etc. So I thought maybe memoria would be the one who remembers and who might project memory on the other party. Obviously I remember him given the aspects I make to all the planets in his chart but he might remember me on the basis of my physical appearance? My pluto is opp his memoria and my asc and his memoria/my asc is unfortunately conj Eris and my eris! Anyway, enough of my ranting

LOL I love the BML stuff, it'd be interesting to see his reaction to me I forgot also my BML is opp pluto (but not my name in his chart

PPS My atlantis is at 15 deg Tau so that can go into the Tau pile...

posted August 29, 2008 10:19 AM              

His Akasha trine my darkdreamer (in my chart)
his Akasha opposite my Juno and dr Valentine
(Actually his Akasha in Virgo trines my Darkdreamer in Taurus and trines my Patrick in Capricorn, and his Akasha opposing Juno and dr Valentine makes this a Kite-formation!)

his dr Akasha and dr mean Lilith are conjunct my dr Sun and oppose my Memoria nd my dr Nessus.
Whoa that looks pretty intense. My Memoria is the anchor fot that Akasha / Lilith (his)-Sun (mine)-conjunction in the Draco`s, so I am the one who remembers.
And what do I remember? Lilith? Powerissues? The dark side of sex?

My Akasha conjuncts my own draco Name and conjunct his NN.

my dr Akasha conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC.

His Memoria:
conjuncts my Persephone (0) and his Patrick
opposes his Darkdreamer and my chartruler Jupiter

- he remembers my name?
- I seem to have played a "Persephone" role or am actually playing such a role in this life (it is the tropical after all).
- Me as the PErsephone character come to him (his name?)

his dr Memoria conjuncts my dr Proserpina (0)
his dr Memoria oposies my Pluto, Aphrodite, Memoria
- yes there is a conjunction of Pluto, Aphrodite and Memoria in my own chart (in Libra btw); I remember a fateful, near to insane and powerful attraction? And this is hidden in his subcionscious memory somewhere, too?

Also, HIs dr Memoria conjuncts my dr Proserpina, as his memoria conjuncts my Persephone - it`s actually the same aspect twice! (Proserpina and Persephone were the same person)
- so yet again he remembers me as a Proserpina / Persephone. His memoria is not only linked to both our names in his chart, but also conjuncts his Mars, Jupiter and AMOR, and is opposite his EROS.
So that memory somehow is drenched in AMOR and EROS symbolism.

posted August 29, 2008 10:40 AM              

my dr Memoria opposies my Patrick and conjuncts his Anubis.
Anubis was the god of death, who guided the dead safely through the underworld, and so he also became the god of rebirth. So, I think he might signify the bridge between two incarnations, is that right?
Well, if his Anubis conjuncts my dr Memoria, does that mean we have met on the other side?
But whatever it means, it seems safe to say that in my memory he is somehow connected to death and rebirth.

His Link / Venus / Siva conjuncts my dr Pluto and MC and my tropical Link and Anubis.
Another emphasis on Anubis, this time my own!
A linking, which involved matters of love, death and rebirth?

his dr Link / dr Venus / Lilith oposing my Psyche (and his Psyche) and Lilith
- so Venus, Lilith and Psyche are linked, once againd 3 female principles, even though very different from each other; interestingly the exact Lilith-Lilith-opposition is the backbone of that aspect
- Lilith seems to be rather important, as his DRaco Lilith is exactly conjunct my Draco ASC, too (with an orb of 0.00 with the SAbian of: THE HARVEST MOON ILLUMINES A CLEAR AUTUMNAL SKY.

KEYNOTE: The light of fulfillment that blesses work well done.

The Keyword is CONSUMMATION. But in this consummation — this "karmic" moment — the seed of the new cyclic manifestation is already latent. )

posted August 29, 2008 10:54 AM              

his PRoserpina trine my Pluto and opposite my dr Chiron and tropical Patrick in my chart.

his dr Proserpina conjunct Patrick in his chart, opposite Darkdreamer in his chart, conjunct my draco DArkdreamer in my chart, conjunct my asteroid Lilith and conjunct my Hekate. :gulps: That is really one gathering of dark female figures!

his dr PErsephone:
opposies his patrick and my Persephone
conjuncts his Darkdreamer and my chartruler

my PRoserpina conjuncts his NEptune and Cupido, and sextiles his Pluto

my dr Proserpina conjuncts his dr Mars and Patrick and opposes his Eros and dr Darkdreamer (in his chart)

my Persephone trines my Patrick and my darkdreamer, conjuncts his Patrick opposite his darkdreamer, dr Hekate and dr Persephone

(I only wonder who abducted whom? and where? and how?)

Well, looking at PErsephone you also have to look at Pluto (as he was the one abducting her):

my Pluto opposes his dr Mars and dr Amor, his dr Memoria and dr Patrick
my Pluto conjuncts his dr Eros and dr Kerstin
my Pluto also trines his Proserpina

my dr Pluto conjuncts his Venus, dr IC, Link, Siva, Anubis (we almost have an Anubis-Anubis-conjunction - actually we have a lot of conjunctions between the same asteroids)

my dr Pluto oposes his Juno and dr Sun / dr Moon

his Pluto opposite my Chiron
his Pluto squares my Eros
his pluto sextiles my Cupido and PRoserpina
(Interesting, his Pluto is on 21° Libra, my Cupido is on 20° Leo, my Proserpina is on 21° Sagittarius, so that basically means that his Pluto is on the midpoint of my Proserpina-Cupido, and funny because Cupido would shoot Pluto, so he fell in love with Proserpina and abducted her, so it was all Cupido`s fault in the end)

his pluto conjunct my Sappho and dr Nessus (talk about obsession here).

his dr Pluto opposes my Anteros and conjuncts my DArkdreamer and also my dr Anubis.
(*Sigh* how did I know the lords of the underworld would reappear once again. )

Regarding our names in the birthcharts, my name seems to be planted more strongly in his chart than his in mine.

His name in my chart:
squares my Aphrodite and Memoria
trines my Persephone
trines my name in my chart
opposses my dr Memoria

my name in his chart:
conjuncts his EROS , dr Hekate and dr Persephone

opposes his Mars, Amor, Memoria, Patrick, dr Proserpina and dr Sappho

posted August 29, 2008 11:20 PM              

Anyway, another couple of asteroids that could be interesting to talk about are:

Isis - ideal wife
Osiris - ideal husband
Adonis - spellbound attraction

I would be interested in exploring these. For example if there was a man who had Isis and Osiris conjunct or in opposition would this mean he had very definite ideas about the ideal marriage - ie a partnership of similar or equal roles (conjunct) versus a partnerhsip of complementary or opposite roles (opposition).

Would someone with this conjunction wish for a wife to be very similar to himself (or his self ideal - except female), and someone with this opposition wish for a wife to be the reverse of himself, the opposite of his ideal male self?

posted August 29, 2008 11:26 PM            

I learn so much just from reading your threads. I didn't even realize there was an Akashi asteroid. And when I plugged it into our synastry chart, well....

My Destinn conjuncts His Akashi at 20 Virgo

The Akashic records hold all of our soul's history, from all of our incarnations, is that right? Would that be my destiny with him...to meet our history, the history we had from past lives together?

posted August 30, 2008 03:39 AM              

I now think it would make sense if there are strong connections between Akashi and personal planets / points / asteroids with meaningful people / soulmates in your life.

Actually, look at this:

with Jude Law I have: (he happens to pop up again and again, so I think there must have been some recognition of my side):

My Akashi opposes his dr Karma and dr Mercury exactly.
My dr Akashi conjuncts his Mercury and Karma and dr MC.

his Akasha conjuncts my Moon within 1,5° and also trines my Karma
His dr Akashi falls exactly onto the cusp of my 5th house and opposes my Uranus and Union.

my first "musical" crush, which "lasted" for over 18 years now, very important and life forming:

My Akashi trines his Venus and Akashi; also conjuncts his Pluto widely and opposes his Jupiter, his MC-ruler exactly.
His Akashi conjuncts my Sun and Mercury (and opposes my Nessus. ouch)

Another someone, I felt a weird connection to:

My Akashi trine his Sun

His Akashi conjuncts my NN (with an orb of 0.00)
His Akashi conjuncts my ASC and Neptune
his dr Akashi opposite my dr Venus, Isis and Osiris

Akash surely is interesting.

posted August 30, 2008 03:48 AM              

Isis and Osiris are very important, at least to me.

Actually, if I did a synastry analysis I probably only would really look at Eros, Psyche, Juno, Amor, Valentine, Karma, Isis and Osiris, as those definitely work.
Everything else is intersting, sure, but would need more research.

Personally I ahve an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction in Capricorn which is conjunct my Venus by 2° and squares my Pluto by 1°.

I think the ocnjunction makes me long for finding a true soulmate-connection. It doesn`t say my soulmate has to be the same as me, but that I need to feel a true UNION with him.
Also, as it is tied to my Venus; whenever I feel attracted or in love, this inner need awakens, too. It means I probably can`t love without thinking this might be the ONE. Or else, I can`t just surrender to an attraction, just for the sake of being attracted. If I have the feeling, that this is not real or not meant to last, my feelings probably will fade. Add Pluto to the mix and you get a real complicated All-or-Nothing-situation surrounding love (I mostly chose Nothing in my life).

In synastry, if Isis or Osiris makes strong contacts (especially conjunction, opposition or trine) to Sun, Moon, AC, IC or NN, you probably have a high chance of a soulmate-connection (but it needs to be checked, if they have a strong synastry between the major players, too. Just one Osiris-NN-trine will not make you predestined soulmates; but if it is added on top of nice Sun-Moon-ASC-IC aspects for example, the plot thickens so to speak).

posted August 30, 2008 05:19 AM              

my natal:

Isis conjunct Osiris conjunct Venus:
square Pluto
opposite dr Juno

dr Isis conjunct dr Osiris conjunct dr Venus:
opposing Union

his natal:

Isis opposite his DC-ruler and dr Chiron and also squares Mars

Osiris opposes his Karma and dr Eros

synastry:

my Isis and Osiris:
trine his Mars
trine his Chiron
trine his Amor
sextile his Eros
quinkunx his Isis
square his Osiris (3)

conjunct his dr Isis (0)
opposite his dr Mercury

my dr Isis / dr Osiris:
conjunct his dr Saturn
conjunct his dr Vertex
conjunct his dr Karma (3,5)

his Isis:
trine my Pluto (0)
conjunct my DC
conjunct my SN (0)

conjunct my dr Moon

his dr Isis:

conjunct my Venus
conjunct my Isis (0)
conjunct my Osiris (0)

opposite my dr Juno

his Osiris:
trine my Mars (0)
trine my ASC
conjunct my IC (0)

opposite my dr Karma (0)

his dr Osiris:
opposite my PoM

conjunct my dr Saturn

posted August 30, 2008 05:19 AM            

I'm still curious to hear some opinions Because the IC relates to the past, I would think that in the above case it might indicate a past life union. Although in the charts I just mentioned, there is also her Isis conjuncting his Osiris as well.

So I definitely think that they play a role in synastry, I'm just not always sure how to interpret it since these aspects are for a couple who are no longer together.

For example, in this same chart:

Her NN and Akashi conjunct his Sun and Juno
Her 7th house Union conjunct his Destinn
Her 5th H Pluto/Karma conjunct his 7th H Link
Her Memoria conjunct his Askashi and Amor
Her 5th H Juno conjunct his 7th H Vertex

posted August 30, 2008 05:32 AM              

a union or finding a soulmate doesn`t imply that two people will be stay together blissfully to the end of their lives. But there is a connection between them, that had influence on their lives.
And they were together for a certain time, weren´t they?

"What about a couple who both have Saturn conjunct IC natally"
I think this might imply real heavy karma, very serious stuff. Event hough I can`t really interprete it. Sorry.

" and then also have his Isis conjuncting her IC and her Osiris conjuncting his IC?"
A definite soulmate bond I think. The core of each persons is the expression of each other`s divine soulmate (assuming the conjunctions are at max. 3°).
If there are other personal aspects between them, I think it might be hard to impossible to break such a bond, even though it might change, including a separation.
But speaking from experience, those people I have truely loved, I still feel connected to at the root of my soul, even though the "in love"-feelings have long gone.
And don`t forget you can be connected in peace or in anger.

"Because the IC relates to the past, I would think that in the above case it might indicate a past life union."
Yes, but the IC also plays an important role in this life, too.
It`s not just a meeting in the past, but one that still influences the present.

Yet, the IC is so deep down in our souls, that there may be a fear to really accessing it.

" Although in the charts I just mentioned, there is also her Isis conjuncting his Osiris as well."
That would even emphasize the connection even more, especially if this is aspected by Sun, Moon, NN, ASC, IC, Karma or even Valentine or Venus.

"Her NN and Akashi conjunct his Sun and Juno"
It`s interesting how often Akashi connects to the Sun or Moon of the other person (I have found that in every of my synastries at least).
Here it seems that it was part of her lifepath, as written in the Akasha records, to meet him and have a relationship with him.

"Her 7th house Union conjunct his Destinn"
another sign of a destined union.

"Her 5th H Pluto/Karma conjunct his 7th H Link"
Were there power issues involved? Did he serve as a catalyst to face her own feelings about her plutonic side, which can involve anything from power and ambition (sometimes even in a destructive way, either on the active or on the receiving end) to true, frightening passion that transforms you to the core.

"Her Memoria conjunct his Askashi"
She remembers that this was meant to be?

posted August 30, 2008 07:08 AM            

Thanks so much for your interpretations!

Those are actually aspects from my previous relationship. I find that the more emotionally involved I am with someone, the less clarity I have in reading a chart and I've never been more emotionally involved with anyone. I do so like to get an outsider perspective in those cases (it's like my intuition goes right out the window, or else I doubt it.)

I was thinking along the same lines as what you wrote in almost every case. It's true that time has nothing to do with a union/partnership, whether that relates to depth of feeling or importance. So those Isis/Osiris contacts are likely just indicators that on some levels we were the expression of the other's divine partner.

I think it's only this year that I have more fully absorbed the meaning of the IC in a chart. Do you think that Saturn being connected to the IC natally indicates a certain level of fatefulness, thus making these Saturn contacts even more potent?

I find the asteroid Askashi very interesting indeed. It's conjunct my NN and I have had the experience of almost always recognizing soulmates when they re-enter my life, both male and female. I suppose that could be part of the influence of that asteroid so closely linked with NN? I think I'll have to have a look into my syanstries and how some of these newer asteroids have played out.

And in fact, what you wrote about Pluto/Karma aspecting his Link asteroid (as well as his Venus/Pluto conjunction) has everything to do with power, but also with possessiveness (on my part). Definitely a lesson I learned from him.

And my Memoria conjunct his Akashi? I definitely remembered that it was meant to be, from the second I met him

posted August 31, 2008 03:19 AM              

Thank you for sharing your Isis/Osiris experience in your natal chart. Do you think the fact that Isis and Osiris are exactly conjunct makes you for-want-of-a-better-word extremely fussy about love? Very idealistic.

The longing to find a soulmate is a very good interpretation of such a conjunction, especially if it is exalted by conjunction to an important planet (such as Venus with you) or axis (such as North Node).

In terms of your Isis/Osiris synastry with your crush – you have a lot of interaspects there, including with both his Isis and Osiris. By the way is your Ascendant on your North Node? I read that right. So his Isis is conjunct your DSC and South Node? Phenomenal. And his draco Isis and Osiris forming major aspects too.

My own Isis and Osiris don't interact with each other. My Osiris is conjunct my chart ruler though and my MC.

posted August 31, 2008 04:41 AM              

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Would you look at that then in the same way we traditionally look at Juno? Because that would make a lot of sense in my case.

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What is that traditional way of looking? I'm new to asteroids.

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Using that interpretation method, does it make sense for you in real life?

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Once I find out what it is, I'll tell you.

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Osiris conjuncts Mercury which loosely conjuncts my Ascendant.

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I wonder what that would mean? That you think a lot about marriage or your ideal husband? That you like intellectual men. Men with qualities of your particular Ascendant or offering you the gifts of that sign. Or perhaps you like men who look like you, talk like you, somehow seem to be similar to you? How does it work for you?

posted August 31, 2008 05:10 AM            

Soooooo, the traditional role of Juno is to signify what sort of partner attracts us as well as beng an indicator in a synastry chart for a union (of sorts), depending on the aspects it makes as well as the House positions.

Your take on my Osiris was oddly accurate. I DO love men who can communicate and who enjoy it. I adore a witty banter and a sharp intellect. It totally turns me on. Meeeow. If I can outfox a man (while simply and innocently being myself) then I'll get easily bored.

And yeah! Maybe you're attracted to the chilled-out Saggi-esque dudes of the world. Or maybe a teacher/traveller/philosopher-hobbyist? Perhaps someone who is out and about in the world in a big way/who's going somewhere in life??