posted August 31, 2008 06:17 AM            

Thanks for giving asteroids credence!

posted August 31, 2008 06:46 AM              

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the traditional role of Juno is to signify what sort of partner attracts us as well as beng an indicator in a synastry chart for a union (of sorts), depending on the aspects it makes as well as the House positions.

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Yes, I'd interpret Isis in a male and Osiris in a female in that way for now, until someone who knows these asteroids well contradicts it.

The men I'm attracted to vary: when I was younger I was attracted by my Venus in Virgo in the 8th house. But I was always disappointed in getting to know them that they weren't more confident - like my Leo Mars wanted!

In terms of the asteroids I do think they give us glimpses when they conjunct something important – as in Osiris with you, I and darkdreamer – but I think it might be more directly 'husband material' than phwoar (Mars/Eros) or he's really nice (Venus). Just guessing at the moment of course.

Your Osiris fits you, as it would being conjunct your ascendant. And mercurial is what you like. My chartruler Jupiter/MC on the Libra/Scorpio cusp with Osiris slap-bang in the middle of that is as yet indecipherable to me, except this: I generally find it difficult to respect petty, small-minded men. I like generous men who are secure in themselves – as husband material or the dreaded 'friends'! My first love has serious Sagittarian energy but is a Capricorn. My longest partner had his Jupiter conjunct my Jupiter/MC/Osiris conjunction.

My Isis is, unfortunately, nowhere in my chart She sextiles my Sun and Mars in the 7th, but that's about it.

I wonder what it would mean in synastry if someone came along and conjuncted it. With something good such as Venus or a love-dovey asteroid such as Cupido. Since it is their Isis that would need conjuncting to see the perfect wife, what happens when the female Isis is touched? Any opinions love?

posted August 31, 2008 06:56 AM              

While you're waiting for darkdreamer's response, I thought I'd chime in with some thoughts.

In a female chart Saturn conjunct Osiris could indicate she needs or wants a very serious man as a husband, no time-wasters please. Or a man with status, money, etc, or older (basically anything that Saturn represents), and the sign could colour this too. Serious about finances (Saturn conjunct Osiris in the 2nd/8th) for example.

posted August 31, 2008 10:21 AM              

Osiris is not so much the Mars / Venus attraction, but it signifies the "ideal divine husband", it`s also more spiritual than Sun and Moon, because of the archetypical myth involved here I guess.

In a woman`s chart it is probably the husband she is seeking inside her soul, while in a man`s chart it is the ideal of a husband he dreams of becoming. And Isis is the other way round.

So in my case, my ideal husband would be Saturnian (Osiris in Capricorn) and also Venusian with a tad of Pluto (conjunct Venus and square Pluto).
Which describes my type so accurately, it`s scary. Of course my Venus has the same placement and rules my 5th house, so this is also what I am attracted to in an erotic sense.

For a committed relationships I need something else, interestingly, as my DSC is in Gemini and the ruler is in Sagittarius conjunct Sun.

I guess the art is to combine it all.

Now my crush has Sun-Moon-conjunction in Sagittarius with Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in Virgo squaring Mercury (which fulfills my DSC-wishes for Sagittarius, Sun and Mercury very well), but he also has this stellium of Sun-Moon on the MC (Saturnian house) and squaring Saturn and Venus in Capricorn squaring Pluto and Mars on the anstiscia of Pluto (so he also fulfills my Venus / Osiris- and 5th house wishes. LOL I guess I really didn`t have a chance. ).

Also, what I forget to mention my Isis-Osiris-Venus-conjunction as well as my DSC-ruler as well as my 5th house ruler are all in 1st house (the ARian house), so I am also seeking Aries / Martian-energies.
Aries is intercepted in his 1st house and acts as a Co-ASC; and his Osiris falls into Aries into his 1st house (the ideal husband he wants to become has high Aries-overtones. lol).

posted August 31, 2008 01:01 PM              

the natal Venus-Pluto trine certainly is applicable.

I`m only using conjunctions and oppositions in Draco though.

Let me quote Venus de India here:

"true soulmates as above case have always to my amazement have a prepoderence of conjunctions and oppositions, be it asteroids -asteroids or planet- asteroids . or angles -asteroids . fact is u can have trines, sextiles etc with hundreds , that doesn't make them soulmates."

and she said that not just in regard to DRaco, but to the natal charts as well, and I think she is right. Conjunctions, oppositions and antiscia / contrascia are the aspects that will show up in soulmate connections in a very small orb: 0° - 3°

The other aspects are secondary, even though of course effective. But if you look for the true soulmate, look for conjunctions and oppositions and solstice points. And it`s not only Venus-Pluto that constitutes soulmates; for example Siva-Pluto can work as a substitute for Venus-Pluto actually.

EDIT:
In that thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015360-3.html

posted August 31, 2008 01:52 PM              

I shall be back posting fully on Wednesday (hopefully) with my findings... Until then I can't get access to astro etc and can only post tiny amounts here!

posted August 31, 2008 03:51 PM              

Personally, I think there must be conjunctions / oppositions / antiscia/ contrascia between planets in angular houses, of rulers of the angular houses and probably also aspects to the water houses (4th, 8th, 12th).

I also think that it doesn`t go any deeper than the 4th house; it`s the "womb", and I agree with Robert Blashke that a conjunction or solstice conjunction to the IC is the clearest sign of soulmates, especially if it falls into a water house or 1st or 7th house of the other person, too, or involves ruler of these houses.

I like Venus / Pluto-aspects, too, but realistically spoken, there are sooo many people whose Pluto is going to trine my Venus: applying a very strict orb of 2°, anyone born between 29th march 1962 and 7th july 1962 has a trine of their Pluto to my Venus. That is 3 months! Every man or woman born during those 3 months will share a rather close Venus-Pluto-trine with me.

On the other hand, my 5th house ruler trining a guy`s Pluto on 06°07 Virgo (that would be a perfect trine to Venus, my 5th house ruler) would be valid only on 18th december from 7:00 a.m. until 9:15 a.m., only a bit more than 2 hours!

posted August 31, 2008 04:34 PM            

My Isis is in Cancer and conjuncts my Venus (which conjuncts my Sun) as well as trining my Uranus and NN. She also squares Pluto and Karma and sextiles Juno.

In my synastry with guys, my Isis often conjuncts my name asteroid in their charts.

Maybe Isis in our own charts is representative of the energy we are giving off about ourselves, in terms of wifely-ness or someting?? Growing up, I never thought of myself as uber-feminine but men (and women) always told told me that I seemed soooo girly. It used to make me mad because I wanted my male qualities to be as respected as my female ones. As soon as I really embraced my female-ness and owned it, I felt more balanced. Now people see me as girly, but they also recognize my Leo Mars as well. Of course, the fact that Isis is connected to my Venus could very well have something to to with my experiences.

I've also thought of Isis (for a woman) or Osiris (for a man) in one's natal as reflecting what one might be like in relationship with another. Or perhaps the role one feels the most confortable in when in a relationship...?

This is all just conjecture on my part. Isis and Osiris are considered exactly in the manner that Darkdreamer descibed them. And that's about all that usually gets said about them in terms of astrology.

<<<<<I wonder what it would mean in synastry if someone came along and conjuncted it. With something good such as Venus or a love-dovey asteroid such as Cupido. Since it is their Isis that would need conjuncting to see the perfect wife, what happens when the female Isis is touched? Any opinions love?>>>>

posted August 31, 2008 11:27 PM            

Also, with Venus de India's advice on oppositions, I'm guessing that Venus opp Orisis could hold quite an impact as well.

posted September 01, 2008 09:47 AM            

Just a quick blurb while we're on my 2 favorite asteroids.

My Isis/Osiris/Giza are conjunct my IC. This is opposite my Karma/Jupiter (conj my MC). It also opposes Egypt dream man's Venus, Mars, and very widely moon. This also trines his Eros conj my Pluto!

My Neptune is conj. his IC/his Juno and opposes his Jupiter/Mc/asteroid of my name.

His Isis/NN conjunction trines my name asteroid/his Valentine conjunction which also trines his Saturn/his DC/his asteroid of his name/my Eros. (So my Eros is conj his DC/his name asteroid/his Saturn.)

posted September 01, 2008 01:24 PM              

DD,

on reading thoroughtly this thread i wanted to share with you some of my interpretations as well,specially regarding the IC:

in my sinastry with JOhn thereīs no planets conj each otherīs IC but as our relationship itīs felt so strongly i think the major focus is somehow hidden but itīs there:

- he has a Isis/Osiris conj.natally meaning that his feminine and masculine energies are mixed in such a way that makes him a Higher Evolutioned SOul.

That conj.as well as his Name asteroid hits my IC - i see that as representing that when he is showing me his image of ideal husband as well as himself as "John - this lifetime encarnated soul", he touches my core making me see him as my own mate.

-his Neptune conj my Antisticia Point IC - probably that makes him see me as more perfect than what i really am ,adding some rose coloured clouds to his vision of me.

- his Antist.P.Mars conj my IC - dont know if this is a positive one..although it stands for sexual drive,mars also has to do with wars and anger.Do you see it that way?

- My Antist.Amor is conj his IC - so basically i idealisticaly love his deeper core.

- his IC-ruler Antist.Point(Venus) is conj.my DC angle 1š...so in a way our angles are conected in a way that makes him love me as his committed partner,and also makes me feel that his love is what i need in a relationship partner.

-in Dracos our ICīs are touched as my D.IC conj his IC 1š - it makes us very close and see ach otherīs vulnerabilies,but with the consequent natural accpetances of it.

ABOUT THE NEW ASTEROIDS given by 23:

-HIs peitho conj his sun conj my AC:well he seducted me right away

- my Charis conj my 5thCusp falls into his 7th:i represent to him a partner with charm,beauty..

- his Concordia/Kiron conj my Moon:helps us to handle our Moons skuared as it softens and highlights more understanding torwards my emocional world

AKHASHI

HIS is conj. his An ASTEROID

mine is conj. my NN

The day we met my P.akhashi was conj. my Isis

And T.Akhashi was passing my 5th

His T.Akhashi was conj. his Anna asteroid

My AK. trine his MOON/Saturn/Pluto.Skuare my Venus

His AK. opose my Venus;trine my Saturn/Pluto/Isis.

BVANZY

i know what you mean:my bfīs ex-gf who hurted him a lot and cause him many traumas had her saturn and mars hitting his IC - it was very tought for him but for very long time he couldnt go away from her..

posted September 01, 2008 03:31 PM              

"My Isis/Osiris/Giza are conjunct my IC."
You have an Isis-osiris-conjunction, too? Where?
Strong placement btw.

"His Isis/NN conjunction trines my name asteroid/his Valentine conjunction which also trines his Saturn/his DC/his asteroid of his name/my Eros. (So my Eros is conj his DC/his name asteroid/his Saturn.)"
That sounds beautifully serious or was it seriously beautiful?

posted September 01, 2008 03:39 PM              

"- he has a Isis/Osiris conj.natally"
I also have an Isis-osiris-conjunction. Mine is on 8° Capricorn (Venus is on 6° cappy). Where is his?

" meaning that his feminine and masculine energies are mixed in such a way that makes him a Higher Evolutioned SOul."
Yes, IQ once told me that, too. But I don`t really SEE myself as a higher evolutioned soul. Actually the more I learn, the more I realize how much more I still have to learn.

"That conj.as well as his Name asteroid hits my IC - i see that as representing that when he is showing me his image of ideal husband as well as himself as "John - this lifetime encarnated soul", he touches my core making me see him as my own mate."
Wohoo, strong connection.
Or am I saying that only, because my crush has his Osiris exactly conjunct my IC and his Draco name in his chart is also conjunct my IC opposing my draco name in his chart, which falls into his tropical 7th house? Oh I would be so perfect for him.
Or would he be so perfect for me?

"- his Antist.P.Mars conj my IC - dont know if this is a positive one..although it stands for sexual drive,mars also has to do with wars and anger.Do you see it that way?"
I think it depends. Mars can be both. On a positive note Mars will actually not rest, until the IC person opens up to him, and if they are truely compatible, this can be a very stimulating and deep experience.
I think I would even welcome Mars in contact to my IC, because my IC is in Aries.
Interestingly my crush`s Draco Mars falls into Aries close to my IC (but 4° from a conjunction).

"- his IC-ruler Antist.Point(Venus) is conj.my DC angle 1š..."
I think IC-ruler aspects are as important as planets on the IC.

"so in a way our angles are conected in a way that makes him love me as his committed partner,and also makes me feel that his love is what i need in a relationship partner."
Another aspect that is similiar to the interaction between my crush and me. His DSC-ruler and IC-ruler conjunct my IC-ruler, NN and ASC. I like that, I like that a LOT.

"-in Dracos our ICīs are touched as my D.IC conj his IC 1š - it makes us very close and see ach otherīs vulnerabilies,but with the consequent natural accpetances of it."
Yes, that is a very intimate close connection.

posted September 02, 2008 07:10 AM              

WHAT DID YOU DO?

Now you got my thoughts into a very very naughty direction, even vulgar.

And I was searching for some more asteroids (and desperately keeping myself from saying aloud: Bonk, bonk, bonk... all the time. lol)

Some of the other asteroids were:

Bonk (of course)

Bri(e)de (19029)
Groom (5129)
Wild (1941)
Sax (3534)
Mumma (8340)
Dick (17458) - yes I know this is vulgar, and if you`re offended, I might erase it from here
horne (1132) - it`s not exact, but you could read it as "horny"
Lust (4386)
Lova (868)
Lovejoy (61342)

And when I looked at my chart and Jude Law`s chart, I got really SCARED this time, really.

Just look at the Bride and Groom positions

HIs Bride on 9° Sagittarius conjuncts his ASC and Venus.
my Groom on 11° Sagittarius conjuncts my NN and ASC.

AND:

HIs Bride EXACTLY conjuncts my NN and also conjunct my ASC AND my Groom!
My Groom conjuncts his ASC and Venus.

HIs Groom conjuncts my Part of Reincarnation and also conjuncts my Bride.
My Bride conjuncts his Chiron, his Groom and trines his Venus.

Yes, you can trust your eyes. WE actually have a DW of a Bride-Groom-conjunction (in Sagittarius and Aries).

But it doesn`t stop there.

My Bonk is on 17°13 Capricorn exactly opposing my Saturn (no wonder I am so hesitant when it comes to "bonking").
His Bonk is on 16°03 Gemini and conjuncts his Saturn exactly (don`t know what happened there though).

However my Bonk exactly conjuncts his NN and his Bonk exactly conjuncts my Karma!

Oh but wait, there is more...

My Wild opposes his Lova / Sax-conjunction (which happens to be conjunct my DRACO ASC!).

His Wild/ Valentine opposes my Venus / Isis / Osiris.

My Horne conjuncts his DSC and opposes his Venus.
His Horne / Akashi conjuncts my Moon (and Mumma) exactly.

My Lust conjuncts his ASC / Bride.

My Lova/Union conjuncts his Moon. (I mentioned his Lova above)

WEll, I really can`t get over the BRide-Groom-DW tied to both our ASC`s, and about the Bonk-conjunctions. LOL

posted September 02, 2008 07:51 AM              

My Moon / Mumma conjuncts his SN exactly and opposes his House / NN exactly
And hsi Draco Mumma exactly conjuncts my IC and opposes my Draco Karma. (we also have a lot of Ceres interaction).

JEEZ; astrology is SOO Vulgar sometimes he has an exact conjunction of Dick and Lova, which makes him a Dicklova, and that conjunction is sitting exactly on my NN. ROFL In the Draco`s that Dicklova-conjunction sits tightly on my Destinn, ERos, Vertex and Draco IC. and not enough of that: his Lust exactly conjuncts my Karma!
His Wild/Sax-conjunction is in Capricorn and exactly opposes my Saturn, which makes very much sense all at once.

I LOVE astrology, this one made me laugh so much. Thank you, 23!