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darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 12:50 PM Hi, asteroid lovers. I just came across a site, in which the author gave a list of asteroids to look at in loverelationships and then I expanded that list a bit. So the asteroids are: Valentine: sacrificial love Ceres: mother love (caring) Juno: commitment Amor: unconditional love (mostly platonic) Eros: passionate love Psyche: soullove Anteros: mutual love Anacreon: friendship love Ophelia: unrequited, rejected love Medea: extreme love, love / hate IP: Logged
winky_winky unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 01:01 PM juno=comittment? i am puzzled now wasnt this to be the mistress aspect? IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 01:12 PM Well, magi sais so, but in traditional astrology Juno rules marriage and commitment, which is constant with mythology. And I don`t see how we can just forget about mythology, if it`s the real basis of astrology? I can see, though, how one can come to the conclusion that Juno might have something to do with the mistress. Her marriage with Jupiter was a difficult one, as he was constantly cheating on her and she was seeking revenge for his infidelity. She herself never cheated on him, because she had high standards concerning marriage, but she was jealous and sought to punish his mistresses. (I think she also rules power, to excert power over others or at least trying to do so out of painful experiences of having been powerless and cheated on). And it is said that the olymp often was shaking and tumbling with the sheer power and vehemence of her arguments with Jupiter. But she was the protector of marriage (especially the women), family and childbirth. IP: Logged
Mhax Newflake Posts: 3 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted August 18, 2008 03:11 PM Lets check this out!!! IP: Logged
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 170 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 18, 2008 03:24 PM ophelia: 171 medea : 212 anacreon :2339 anteros :1943 the rest,you know I think. IP: Logged
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 170 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 18, 2008 03:32 PM hey guys, I don't like ophelia and don't know how to interpret it in my synastry with my bf. his ophelia square my venus-mars.(1 deg.) my ophelia conj.his eros (3 deg) who is rejecting love ?? IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 03:47 PM Venusmars Ophelia is puzzling me a lot, too. Funny enough, I checked Jude Law`s chart for Ophelia and his Ophelia is exactly conjunct my NN and Neptune and ASC. And I`m going to see him in "Hamlet" next year. Pity, there is no asteroid Hamlet. Btw asteroid Shakespeare is exactly conjunct my Draco Ophelia. lol (on the day I am going to see him Transit Venus will be conjunct my Shakespear and Draco Ophelia and Transit Mars will be opposite his Ophelia. lol) Well, that didn`t answer your question, did it? I can only guess myself. But I think it`s the other person who rejects Ophelia. AFter all Ophelia loved Hamlet genuinely; so much that she became mad due to his brutal rejection of her. But it`s complicated, because Hamlet, even though he rejected her, seems to have loved her, too. Even when he hurt her like he did. So maybe Ophelia is not just a simple rejection-scenario, but maybe the other person rejects Ophelia despite actually having feelings for her / him, due to circumstances, misunderstandings etcetera. Well, for Ophelia the result will be the same. Mm, maybe it`s even worse than being rejected out of indifference. It`s tragic and cruel. But one Ophelia aspect doesn`t have to mean the end of all. In the case of Eros-Ophelia. Maybe it gets all too strong for the Eros-person and that is the reason he holds back a little? Because the merging, the passion, it`s too hot and too strong to handle. IP: Logged
bvanzy unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 03:50 PM "Anteros: mutual love." Could you actually explain this out a bit more darkdreamer? I've always been a bit confused about this one - you know, the whole "love returned or avenged" bit. How about examples to illustrate what Anteros does in synastry? For example: Person A's Anteros conjunct person B's Sun would mean love of person B by A? Person A's Anteros conjunct person B's Saturn would mean no love lost between A and B? I don't know Anteros as you can see. IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 04:09 PM I am puzzled by Anteros myself. But as far as I see it, Anteros will return whatever feeling is given to him. Anteros was created / born AFTER Eros, so Eros would have a brother, so Anteros is a reacting force. I imagine it`s like he is a mirror, reflecting what will be shown to him. In the synastry with my crush his Valentine is exactly conjunct my Anteros. So maybe it means, that if he showed true and deep feelings to me, I would return his feelings with the same strength. Of course I would. Sighs I`m not sure how it works with the Sun. But I guess with the emotional / romance planets or asteroids like Venus, Mars, Moon, Amor, Eros etc. it would really be nice. I found a link not so long ago: "Anteros was the son of Ares and Aphrodite in Greek mythology, given to his brother Eros, who was lonely, as a playmate, the rationale being that love must be answered if it is to prosper.[1] Physically, he is depicted as similar to Eros in every way, but with long hair and plumed butterfly wings. He has been described also as armed with either a golden club or arrows of lead" "Describing the nature of the emotion, Plato asserts that it is the result of the great love that a lover has for a boy. The lover, inspired by the beauty of the boy, is filled with divine love and it overflows from him to the boy, "filling the soul of the loved one with love in return." As a result, the boy falls in love with his lover, though he neither thinks nor speaks of it as love, but as friendship. His experience of pain when the two are apart, and relief when they are together, the mirror image of the lover's feelings, is anteros, or "counter-love."[4]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anteros IP: Logged
bvanzy unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 04:20 PM A very interesting answer. A picture is starting to build of the mysterious Anteros. Anyway, if the Sun represents the person themselves, then if Anteros was a reacting force, it could mean that the person bringing Anteros would react strongly to that particular person, and potentially in a very loving way. But would it be mutual � and is mutuality the defining factor in Anteros sustaining love? But I can't imagine it wouldnt be nice with conjunctions to Valentine, Venus or the Moon either But Mars? How would that be good? IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 04:26 PM Well, in a sexual relationship Mars conjunct Anteros could be DELICIOUS I think. If Mars gives the passion, the lust and Anteros-person reciprocrates it, well, I can see a nice competition develop here. Yes, I think, the feeling would be mutual, but the other person has to make the first step. Also, let`s say there was Anteros conjunct Uranus, and the one person would react with unpredictability, then Anteros would return that, too, I think. Or let`s imagine a cold Saturn (now, I know SAturn is not always cold, but sometimes it can be), A Saturn that is expressed through repulsion, I guess then an Anteros-Saturn-aspect could really be a sign of mutual dislike. (Saturn-Eros would probably be an unbalanced dislike, as Saturn holds back and rejects in the worst case, while Eros plunges into his passions without thinking. Eros doesn`t react or reflect other people`s actions / feelings, but acts instantly, spontaneously without waiting if the other one will return his feelings. Eros can be head over heels without ever having the chance of his love being reciprocrated. I think the chance may be diminished with Anteros, but hey, I`m only guessing like everyone here. ) IP: Logged
bvanzy unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 04:34 PM I see where you're going with "The God of requited love". I had been thinking along the lines of: if Anteros is heavily aspected by another's personal planets then the Anteros person ironically is always getting his heartstrings plucked or his heart broken as long as the pair know each other, because that person's Anteros is always being transited by the other's Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars or whatever. However, taking it from your direction, then Anteros is pretty much unactivated until the other person demonstrates feelings, and is then dependent on the flow of those feelings from the other. And that makes better sense. IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 04:50 PM I don`t know if my take makes better sense, but I just thought it could be like this, as Anteros is the little, calmer, more patient brother of Eros. I still am not completely clear about how Anteros will feel, UNTIL the other person "comes round" so to speak. Is he really unaffected? But on the other hand maybe he MAKES the other person feel their Venus, Eros, Amor whatever just by his presence. In Plato`s description it is said that the "boy`s beauty" fills the lover with divine love, which overflows so much, that the boy will finally return it. So, if Anteros is like the boy and the planet person is the lover; then Anteros through his very essence ignites a spark in the planet person, and then when the planet person can`t keep back with their love, Anteros will be "hit" in return. IP: Logged
Love Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 18, 2008 05:04 PM Yeah, I think you might be on to something DD with your take on Ophelia. In the best example for me of unrequited love, my ex rejected me and his (retrograde) Saturn in the 4th conjuncts my Ophelia in the 1st. In another relationship I had where the feelings were mutual and deep, but we both knew that it could never work out, my Valentine conjuncted his Ophelia and his Valentine opposed my Ophelia. I checked out a couple of other relationships as well and it seems the closer the conjunction/opposition, the more likely there was a rejection of the Ophelia person. It didn't seem to matter how long the relationships lasted, however. I also noticed that when the ending of the relationship was mutual, there were either no tight conujunctions or else there was a double whammy. (Ophelia/Valentine, Ophelia/Vertex). The only one that stands out right now is my current relationship. His Ophelia conjuncts my Osiris and my Ophelia conjuncts his Isis. So we're going to reject each other as husband and wife? Hmmmm...could be. IP: Logged
bvanzy unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 05:31 PM quote: I still am not completely clear about how Anteros will feel, UNTIL the other person "comes round" so to speak. Is he really unaffected? Anteros seems like a paradox. One the one hand, Anteros is the one who inspires love (Venus/Sun/Moon/Jupiter/Mars) or lack of it (Saturn/Uranus) from the other, and then mirrors that back to the planets involved. On the other hand, in terms of your own crush � it is your Anteros (and perhaps much else too!) that is the smitten one? Let's take another example: Person A has multiple Anteros conjunctions to person B's personal planets. Person A also has multiple Eros conjunctions to person B's personal planets. What would happen here? IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 18, 2008 07:58 PM IP: Logged
bvanzy unregistered	posted August 18, 2008 09:00 PM Moving on temporarily I take it Ophelia represents where we suffer unreturned love, not where we arouse unreturned love. So, if Ophelia in one chart were conjunct another person's ascendant, it would be Ophelia that would be pining away not the ascendant person. Similarly with Ophelia in aspect to the Sun/Moon/Venus/etc of another? IP: Logged
lovegoblin Knowflake Posts: 27 From: neverland Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 18, 2008 11:33 PM That would be interesting to know... somones medea conjunct my ascendant exactly, and my ophelia conjunt his ascendant exactly. IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 05:45 AM this could well be a stupid question - but wouldn't ophelia need asteroid hamlet - in the way that adonis and aphrodite, and also isis and osiris to aspect or balance each other in a chart? there's no hamlet - not that i can find. if it is a stupid question - just tell me. i'm still very very new to asteroids and learning. that's my disclaimer - lol! EDIT: okay - if it's about unrequited love - i get it - there is no hamlet. okay then. IP: Logged
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 170 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 06:23 AM dd thanks for your comment. It made sense when you put ophelia that way.I mean I don't know the future but I love him at the moment plus my sat.conjunct his anteros(3 deg.) we have medea aspects but orbs are not tight so I dont count them.. IP: Logged
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1984 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 07:37 AM My Ophelia conjuncts an old crush's Lust and Valentine and there is no way in this world I would have rejected them! My Anti-Vertex conjuncts 2 partners Ophelia. I left 1 partner and am still with the other. An ex's Ophelia is opposite my Part of Fortune and conjunct my Psyche. This ex broke my heart and I had a headache for 2 and a half years after that break-up. I also felt that it was bad luck with the way a stunning woman walked past and my partner was gone like the wind after her. So, there's the connection to Fortune and Psyche. So I can't see a pattern for Ophelia being the rejector with my relationships. Unless I'm missing something. IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 08:54 AM dd gee girl. next time you post new asteroids - have the courtesy to give us the asteroid numbers. LOL! IP: Logged
darkdreamer unregistered	posted August 19, 2008 09:02 AM You are so DEMANDING! Ceres: 1 Valentine: 447 Juno: 3 Eros: 433 Psyche: 16 Anteros: 1943 Ophelia:171 Medea: 212 Amor: 1221 Anacreon: 2339 IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 09:14 AM dd oh thanks! NOW, when i JUST finished! IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 19, 2008 09:16 AM dd me no like this. my venus is conjunct my ophelia. so no - i'm not o-ph-eelig it! IP: Logged

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