posted August 25, 2008 11:19 PM            

Lucina Gimenez - Sagittarius decanate, sun in scorpio, moon in leo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Luciana_Gimenez/AstroData.asp
Saturn in Taurus
Venus opp ASC, jupiter opp ASC

Mars in Capricorn, moon trine mars

Ann Wigmore - leo decanate, sun in pisces, moon in capricorn http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/YXA37q2MRsU3.htm
Saturn in Aries conj ASC in 1st

Saturn conj ASC; mars/neptune square mars

Mars in Capricorn; mars opp neptune; mars square saturn; mars trine jupitervnus sextile mars

posted August 25, 2008 11:20 PM            

F. Lee Bailey - Leo decanate, Gemini Sun, Capricorn moon http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/F_Lee_Bailey/AstroData.asp
Uranus is Aries
Moon squ ASC, sun/saturn sextile ASC

Mars in virgo; jupiter conj mars, moon trine mars

Angie Dickinson - Aries decanate, Sun in libra, moon in Taurus http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Angie_Dickinson/AstroData.asp
Uranus in Aries
Mars quincunx ASC, sun opp ASC

Mars in Scorpio, mars trine neptune, mars trine jupiter

Bill Cosby - Sagittarius decanate, Sun in Cancer, moon in virgo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Bill_Cosby/AstroData.asp
Ura in Taurus

sun/mercury squ ASC, mars quincunx ASC

Mars in Scorpio, sun/mercury square mars, jupiter trine mars

posted August 25, 2008 11:20 PM            

André CAPLET- aries decanate, sun in sagittarius, moon in scorpio http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/jwJ8Z57282e3.htm

Neptune in Tau
sun trine ASC; mars quincunx ASC

mars in scorpio; mars sextile uranus (Orb
+4°50'); mars quincunx ASC

Albert Calmette - aries decanate, sun in cancer, moon in gemini http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/B7L59uGF245k.htm
Neptune conj ASC from 12th in Aries

Neptune conj ASC from 12th in Aries

mars in leo; mars squ pluto, mars sextile jupiter, moon sextile mars

Eamon de VALERA - leo decanate, sun in libra, moon in scorpio http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/gttt374BuKcD.htm
Neptune in Taurus

Sun opp ASC

mars in scorpio; mars trine jupiter; mercury conj mars

posted August 25, 2008 11:20 PM            

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Princess Charlotte of Belgium - Aries decanate, Sun in Gemini, Moon in Virgo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Charlotte_of_Belgium/AstroData.asp
Pluto in Aries
venus sextile ASC

Mars in gemini; mars conj venus

Multiple Planets or Stellium

Lynn Redgrave - Aries Decanate, Sun in Pisces, Moon in Aries http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Lynn_Redgrave/AstroData.asp
Venus and Moon in Aries in 1st
uranus trine ASC, moon/venus conj ASC

Mars in Capricorn (anarectic) and unaspected

William Quan Judge - leo decanate, sun in aries, moon in virgo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/William_Quan_Judge/AstroData.asp
Sun/Saturn/Pluto in 1st, all in Aries; uranus/mercury in 1st in Tau

Asc conj sun/saturn, ASC opp jupiter

Mars in Pisces, mars opp moon

posted August 25, 2008 11:21 PM            

Moon in Aries in 1st, Jupiter in Tau in 1st

Moon conj ASC (Orb +7°27'), Sun sextile ASC

Mars in Virgo, venus trine mars

Giulietta Masina - aries decanate, sun in pisces, moon in virgo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Giulietta_Masina/AstroData.asp
Mars in Aries (conj ASC), venus in aries
Mars conj ASC, pluto square ASC
Mars square pluto

Line Renaud - Leo decanate, sun in cancer, moon in sagittarius http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/Q64k2HBfPAYw.htm
Mars and Jupiter conj in Taurus

Uranus conj ASC, venus/sun/pluto/mercury square ASC, saturn trine ASC

Mars in Tau, Mars conj Jupiter

posted August 25, 2008 11:21 PM            

Mars in sagittarius unaspected

http://www.flickr.com/photos/abneypark/376844864/
Johannes Brahms - Leo decanate, sun in Taurus, moon in sagittarius http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/82qHGzXYDkvt.htm
Juptiter/Mercury in Aries in 1st, Sun in taurus in 1st
Jupiter/Mercury conj ASC, Pluto conj ASC from 12th, Mars square ASC, Moon trine ASC

Mars in Cancer; Mars square ASC, Mars square pluto/jupiter, mars sextile saturn, sun sextile mars

Princess Alice of the United Kingdom - Aries decanate, Sun in Taurus, moon in pisces http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Alice_of_the_United_Kingdom/AstroData.asp
Pluto Aries, Sun/mercury in Tau

Ascendant unaspected

Mars in sagittarius, mars square venus, jupiter/neptune trine mars

posted August 25, 2008 11:21 PM            

sun conj ASC from 12th, jupiter square ASC, pluto square ASC

Mars in sagittarius, mars trine venus

Claudia Gonson - aries decanate, Sun in Aries, Moon in Cancer http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Claudia_Gonson/AstroData.asp
Saturn conj Sun in Aries/1st, Mars in Tau/1st
Saturn conj ASC, mars semi-sextile asc, moon squ asc

posted August 25, 2008 11:21 PM            

Shaquille O'Neal - Sagittarius decanate, Pisces sun, moon in scorpio http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Shaquille_ONeal/AstroData.asp
Venus in Aries in 1st, Mars in Taurus in 1st

Venus conj ASC
Mars in tau, mars sextile sun

Jean Metzinger - leo decanate, sun in cancer, moon in aquarius http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/WqG8UppRxXTQ.htm
Mars /Neptune in Tau in 1st

mars/neptune semi-sextile ASC

Mars in Tau; mars conj neptune, mars trine uranus, mars semi-sextile ASC

posted August 25, 2008 11:44 PM            

(If you look at mars in tau people - it proves that JT was born before 9.28am, his face is too sharp to be tau aries)

Sco web - please see response prior to the second series of people in the study.

posted August 25, 2008 11:52 PM            

Uranus in 1st

Bill Cosby has sag decanate ASC - long head
Mars in sco - darker eyes

Angie DIckinson has aries decanate ASC - squarish head
Mars in sco - darker eyes and probably hair

Joan Rivers has aries decanate ASC - squarish head
Mars in Virgo - eyes not as dark?

F. Lee Bailey has leo decanate ASC - round head
mars in virgo - appears to have lighter eyes

Bach has leo decanate ASC - round head
mars in sagittarius, darker than F. Lee Bailey? (Sag acs are brownish)

posted August 26, 2008 05:53 AM            

hmmm. Do I have a round head? I guess I must!!

My Asc 12 degrees in 1st H with no planets.

Mars in Libra 22 degrees

Asc quincunx Venus/Uranus/Pluto 0-3 degrees

Keep up the great research!!

posted August 26, 2008 05:58 AM            

It's hard to say if you have a round head given that you are smiling in the photo but you do look like a leonine aries rising to me. We have the same face shape when we smile

posted August 26, 2008 01:42 PM            

I understand what you meant about the Sag decanate of her Aries Asc, but you had written "Sag Mars", and she is Pisces Mars (as you later acknowledged), so I wanted to address what seemed to be a bit of confusion.

Astrologically, I certainly understand why I keep falling into situations with Sagittarius/Gemini influenced girls, with my 5th/11th houses. My concern was more in regard specifically to Sag Mercs and Gem Moons, and what could be our deeper purpose in always coming together.

And yes, I probably really do personify my Leo Ascendant. Unfortunately, I allow very few people to really get to know me, and they never see how my outward personality conflicts with my real self.

Though out of orb, the fundamentally conflicting sign principles of Sun-square-Asc has been a recurring conversation topic with the pictured Cap Sun/ Aries Asc ex-girlfriend. She always feels the person that everyone sees is a serious misrepresentation of what is really going on inside of her. Like several of the comments posted on this website regarding Aries Asc ego, she says she is often taken for being extremely arrogant.

I never saw her as arrogant. I just find her incredibly shrewd. She has brilliant insight, and no reserve in expressing it. However, in both an Aries and Capricorn way, I have always had to deal with her tendency to take advantage of me, and it always comes with a little giggle, as if her mischievous Gemini Moon knows better.

posted August 26, 2008 09:41 PM              

You can go to myheritage.com and download a picture of yourself and have the computer match you to a celeb. Fun! I matched with claudia schiffer, now I will find out if she is a taurus rising.
This is all very interesting though!

posted August 26, 2008 11:36 PM            

But wait Lara, there's more! This is very imprecise and what I say may be up for conjecture, there's a lot of variables to play with and what appears in the first house seems to me to have some noticeable affect on the appearance of the subject.

I agree, I think you are the aries decanate based on your head shape. I was looking closely at the photos on the "Do You Look LIke Your Rising Sign?" thread and looking at your chin/jaw and it's kind of square. Leo decanates tend to have a more prominent jaw, bit more pointy, see Koi and I, for example.

I also looked at the people with mars in the 1st in tau and those with mars in 2nd in tau and I think you look more like the ones with the mars in the 2nd. Of course, you have a lot more activity in the 1st compared to other people with many of these planets in aries, so maybe they trigger off more of an arian appearance. But the ones with mars in the 1st tend to have a much more ameloriation in the face that you. So I'll put your mars in the 2nd for now.

I decided to do some more searching for photos and found one more relevant person who is Theo van Gogh (Vincent's brother). He however has jupiter in Aries in 1st and Pluto in tau in the first as well as well as (importantly) sun in tau in 1st. Like you, he is an aries decanate rising (3°24).
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/Avgf4zd3dU3g.htm

So since then, I had a play with your chart and determined for mars to be placed in the 2nd, you would have to have been born at latest 4:54am for an aries decanate aries rising, which means your ASC at latest would be 6"06' Aries.

If you were born at 4:54 or at the earliest (4:45am), your planets would have these degrees and based on: http://www.antiquus-astrology.com/Chap1-5.html

your planets/ASC would colour you/"genderise" in the following way*:

Aries before the 8th degree - masculine, 0-2.99 deg: dark; 3-4.99: light; 5-15: dark
Saturn - 17 deg Aries - fem, dark
Moon - 19 deg Aries - fem, light
Venus - 21 deg Aries - fem, light
Sun - 5 deg Tau - masc, light
Mercury - 7 deg Tau - masc, light
Mars - 21 deg Tau (2nd) - masc, light

The predominant colour of a person (ie light or dark) I think would be set by the ascendant and then changed by planets. Planet that is chart ruler and altumen also have the other major say on appearance

Chart ruler: http://www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/Nucleus/news.php%3Fitemid%3D85

Mars for births from
04h7m48.4s-04h55m01.1s (i.e. 4:07am-4:55am)

Your chart ruler is Mars. This would make you look more martian than maybe the other mars in tau people

Unfortunately with almuten, I can't calculate it, its very messy and might have to ask someone else to determine it for me. http://antiquus-astrology.com/Chap2-8.html

But I calculated it to be jupiter (so far!). I need to check up on it though. I really don't know what "moon decreasing" means, does it mean a waning moon? It was a waining moon at your birth and that would mean that if what I said is right (ie "moon decreasing" = waning moon), then jupiter would be your almuten.

Jupiter according to the website at 25 deg is feminine, smokey in colour. If the moon comes out stronger, then it will have a greater impact on your appearance, which would be feminine and light. It's questionable about the moon, I don't think it would have an affect on your appearance; you have quite a firey face and I'd say that the moon would bring lunar qualities to your face notwithstanding that it is in Aries.

By the way, you have your moon at increasing fortune degree, but I don't think it varies a person's appearance. But your mercury is at a "lame degree" (lol this website can be a bit dumb but have you had throat problems?). Your Sun is in a deep degree. LOL don't worry, I have a "void" (stupid acting) mars.

Now you have a lot of "light" in your chart and I remember something about you dying your hair and that you really have strawberry blonde hair. So I guess the theory holds so far. As to what degree your asc is, is a great mystery because you have so much "light" in your that whether it is light or dark will not have much impact. So all I can really offer you is that you your ASC at latest would be 6"06' Aries if my theory of mars in the 2nd for your chart is true.

I think the rest has to be figured out by rectification. I haven't learnt how to do rectification yet but it might pay to get it done if you need to know (I'd sure like to know what you are!)

* We are using classical theory here which differs to modern theory.

From http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10382&page=2:

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And I'm going to be a real pain but how do you define "light" and "dark"? I'm curious because you must have seen when I put my picture up and I do appear swarthy in the sense that I have brown hair eyes. My skin tone is of average caucasian colour for a dark haired person and my hair is bright red in the sun. My asc is in a dark degree, my jup is in a light degree. How would you see these two combining?

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quote:

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Dark = Swarthy, a term used previously to describe people of a darker complexion (not a different race) and darker hair/eyes, a swarthy people would be greeks, italians, maybe some french, whereas;

Light= pale, bright skined would describe people from more northern regions, those who have very light skintones and have difficulty gaining color. These people generally have light hair colors blue or green eyes.

You must remember though about the rule of testimonies. This rule states that the side with the most testimonies will produce the effect it states. Therefore if you find you have light, light light, and one dark, you will be light, and vice versa with dark. You find that your Ascendant is dark and Jupiter is light, since your Jupiter is applying this characteristic to the Ascendant, it can mean that this light from Jupiter will influence your darkness. For instance, many people are born with blonde hair, sometimes even white hair, but as time goes on, this darkens, and so does a lot of their features. For other people the reverse is true. Or it can be that one was quite dark in their childhood/youth/adulthood but with age they lighten considerably. This is Jupiter applying its lightness. However, if you have greater darker testimonies, it will be a grain of salt in glass of sand.

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posted August 26, 2008 11:58 PM            

Haybelly - you're still welcome to join in!

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Sco Web - it's interesting that you mention the clash between sco sun (and stellium) and leo asc. I was recently reading a Duran Duran biography and as I have mentioned on your own personal thread on here, you do look like Simon Le Bon and seem to maybe have the same issues as him. He is a sco stellium, I think leo rising (and just comparing you two proves it) and taurus moon (another venus deposited moon). Well anyway, to go back to what I was saying, it mentioned in the biography that Simon is the same in that people might know him for years yet really never truly know who he is. I guess that's just a function of sco down there despite the very glitzy exterior. It also said that he never really gets angry (despite the fire rising) and that his anger is more controlled but when it hits, he'll take you down in a very controlled way.

Here are the quotes, I'm curious as to whether you can relate to these, let me know:

Page 120-1:
"Whereas Simon can control him emotions, John's more intense..."

Page 132
"On 17 January 1984 Duran Duran played Japanese dates...."Simon attacked me in Japan", recalls Denis O'Regan, who was hired as the official photographer on all of the Sing Blue Silver dates. "He'd drunk a bottle of tequila - I think he's only drunk it once since and the same thing happened - and it was a minor earthquake, so I went up to his room to see what everyone was doing. And he just attacked me. I'm six foot but Simon's bigger than me and we're knocking over the TV set, furniture is sent flying ad we fell through the unopened door of a private suite. Then it all faded away, but I felt all this pent-up anger inside me and I thought I heard someone saying "shut up" ad complaining about the noise. So I kicked in their door and it was these poor Japanese people inside who didn't have a clue what was going on. Later Simon apologized and Andy rang me up to say that the band were paying for the damage. He doesn't explode when he's angry, he's quite controlled, but the hysteria around was unrelenting."

Page 139
"Off stage, Rob Hallet describes him (Le Bon) as a big kid. Everything was happy and jolly at all times with Simon. Duran Duran were at their peak and he loved every minute of it."

Page 139
"Off stage, Rob Hallet describes him (Le Bon) as a big kid. Everything was happy and jolly at all times with Simon. Duran Duran were at their peak and he loved every minute of it."

"Yet the singer was also a great moderator and diplomat while the band were on tour. "Some people were starting to get ****** -up", says Marcello Anciano. "The excesses were too much, but they were not willing to give up that lifestyle. Simon held it together. He can be a great diplomat when he wants to be. If someone walked out of a meeting, he would continue that meeting and then work out how he would call back the other band members." "Simon was he moderating influence in the band. He's a lot calmer than John or Andy," reckons Denis O'Regan. "Nick is more calm but more confrontational. He's less willing to accept someone else's point of view or in pacifying the other person. Simon's the one who would see more than one side of an argument."

posted August 27, 2008 12:14 AM            

What an amazing contribution to LL!

Are you going to post a thread for any/all of the other risings?

posted August 27, 2008 01:20 AM            

The work is quite backbreaking. I'd eventually like to do all the signs but seriously, I think this project and workload would kill me before I could do all of them. I thought I'd do something like this because there are few limited resources on the web that is IN ORDER about appearance and astrology. Sure you've got things like librarising.com and astrofaces, but I don't feel its enough for me so I've done this to see the effects of things on people's appearances. Part of the reason why I set up this one (Aries) is because I admit, its my own rising so I want to see my own kind but partly because Lara's unresolved birth chart is driving me nuts!! (as well as John Taylors) The compulsion to know is too strong (curiousity killed the Aquarian). Now I'm just sick of looking at other aries risings and being confronted by their faces, LOL! I've learnt a lot already but I'm far from finished!

posted August 28, 2008 02:36 PM            

I might be very early aries AC and the pisces influence might make me more attuned to my psychic abilities maybe?

I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!
Thank you 23. I'm sorry that my ASC has caused you so much grief! xx

posted August 28, 2008 06:50 PM            

I know what you're saying about staring at all those faces - I get the same feeling looking at my own each day in the mirror

Do I have hair on my neck? I guess you might expect that with a Leo decanate - that would make sense. But my answer is no.

Take a break from all that face staring and rest your eyes on some lovely flowers. But just realise that all the Aries rising out there are very pleased with all this information you have presented!!!

posted August 29, 2008 03:37 AM            

BTW I do have hair growing on the back of my neck and the hot word is that a widow's peak maybe a Leo ASC trait (thanks 8th ). I've got both, so I guess it proves that I'm leo decanate then!

posted August 29, 2008 03:39 AM            

Dwad........|.Sign Influences.

0º-2½º.....|.Aries-Aries-Aries

posted August 29, 2008 03:40 AM            

Alfred MANESSIER - mars in taurus http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/vxw7h766tCvt.htm


2½º-5º.....|.Aries-Aries-Taurus

Julie London - mars in taurus http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Julie_London/AstroData.asp

Farley Granger - mars in leo http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Farley_Granger/AstroData.asp