posted September 25, 2008 02:10 PM         

Further Glaucus, it's your radical Marxist leftist candidate who has taken abortion into new territory...all the way to O'Bombercide.

If debate offends the delicate sensibilities of those on the astrology forum...well then perhaps the right course of action is to not start political threads and/or make disparaging political comments here. There is GU after all.

Now, since this is the astrology forum:

posted September 25, 2008 08:15 PM         

But wait, I have a better idea. Why not use your prayer power for those who truly need it?

People like those O'Bomber supporters who accused Sarah Palin's husband of being the father of their daughters baby. Incest you know.

Or

Those who said Sarah Palin is not the mother of baby Trig but her daughter Bristol is.

Or

Those O'Bomber supporters who called Palin a Nazi. Or those who said Palin was a member of a group of secessionists in Alaska.

Or

The congressman from Florida who attempted to suggest Palin would treat Jews and black people like she treats moose...shoots the moose and field dresses them.

Or those in the O'Bomber camp who suggest McCain is too stupid to use a computer when the real facts are that McCain has an engineering degree from the Naval Academy and doesn't use a computer because both of his shoulders were broken several times...along with his arms when he was tortured for about 5 and a half years by communists in North Vietnam. McCain can't raise his arms above his head, typing is painful as well as the position.

Those are just a few you could possibly help with some prayers taurusvirgoleolady
but if you need some more for your prayer list you might include those who believe Palin suffers from lack of compassion and isn't capable of unconditional love...don't ask me why because I've seen no evidence to support that contention.

That should keep you busy, at least for a while but if you run out of people to pray for...who need your prayers much more than I, then get back to me and I'll add some more to your prayer list.

posted September 25, 2008 09:39 PM         

All they have to do is go to Global Unity forum and see for themselves.

posted September 25, 2008 10:16 PM         

Not too surprising to see you defending the practice of gossiping about other members who probably won't see what is said about them...because they aren't posting and haven't posted on this thread.

Nevertheless, I called it what it is...cowardly.

Now Glaucus, you could have said what you said directly to Mannu's face..where he would see it and have a chance to respond. But you didn't and Mannu has been around the GU forum most days...and nights.

posted September 26, 2008 12:38 AM         

You're trying to make an argument about people being two-faced, which isn't the case when they'd say the same thing regardless of whether the person is there or not.

posted September 26, 2008 12:42 AM         

The Obama Campaign got this one so in the bag, it's not even funny. It really is grass roots. I mean, it was tearful and telling to see all those people come together. I was sitting next to a lawyer from Manhattan Beach! And her and I never done anything like that before but were inspired just the same. People who worked on campaigns for years said that his the most intelligent, and structured campaing the Dem's ever put together. And really, it was. I was so impressed by it.

Jwhop...you can't stop it. So stop trying to convince yourself. And don't respond to me because I don't argue. And you have no credibility so your insults are just--sad.

posted September 26, 2008 10:20 AM         

But to run someone down..a member here knowing they're not going to see it...because of the large volume of threads and having no reason to know someone is disparaging them...that's cowardly. It's especially cowardly when you know that there's been conversation between the 2 somewhere else..another forum only minutes or hours before.

So acoustic, do as you always do. Make off point arguments for that which is disgusting, contemptible and shouldn't be done.

Hey Natural, glad to see you survived Camp O'Bomber. You must be just brimming over with "facts" about O'Bomber now so I'm going to take this opportunity to get the answers to some questions I want to know...a hell of a lot of people want to know..in fact.

1. Why is it Natural that everywhere we look in O'Bomber's past and present, we find his friends and associates..even his wife and pastor(s) are Marxist, Leninist, Maoist Communists, Socialists who are anti-Semitic, racists and confirmed America haters? Here's a short list of those who are known. Perhaps you can expand the list for me.

Frank Marshall Davis...member of the Communist Party USA...O'Bomber political guru.

The Reverrrrend Wright...preacher of the Marxist church doctrine of Black Liberation Theology and O'Bomber and his wife's pastor for 20 years.

Michael Phleger lunatic Catholic Priest relieved of his church duties and a Marxist preaching the identical Black Liberation Theology as Wright...friend, supporter and associate of O'Bomber and his wife.

Louis Farrakhan, a black racist separatist, anti Semitic America hater.

Bill Ayers the Revolutionary Marxist Communist domestic terrorist bomber and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn who were members of the Weather Underground who bombed police headquarters, the Pentagon and Capitol and declared war on the United States. "I only wish I had done more" is Ayer's only lament.

Rashid Khalidi, member of the terrorist PLO and supporter of Hamas..a terrorist organization on the US list of terrorist organizations.

Democratic Socialists of America, a group which kicked off O'Bomber's political career with money, support and influence in Chicago. A group which is a member of the International Socialist movement.

Saul Alinski, of whom O'Bomber is a disciple in "community organizing". The Revolutionary Marxist Communist who took his orders from Moscow and wrote "Rules for Radicals" which he dedicated to the "First Radical Rebel", Lucifer.

John L. McKnight, Marxist, friend and disciple of Saul Alinski who wrote the letter on O'Bomber's behalf when he was seeking entry into Harvard.

ACORN, the radical Marxist group whose street agitators O'Bomber trained in Saul Alinski style agitation tactics. ACORN, the group registering illegal aliens, the dead, multiple registrations in different voting precincts of the same individual and felons in an attempt to overthrow the US election process. ACORN agitators are in federal prisons for violations of US election laws and lots and lots more are under investigation by the US Justice Department...and will soon be heading for a vacation at "Camp Fed".

Now Natural, that list is by no means the full list of those whom most Americans would decline to breathe the same air but O'Bomber is tied to every single one of them. Each and every one despises the United States and are involved in efforts to overthrow the United States in one way or another.

Having attended "Camp O'Bomber", you must be just full of facts about O'Bomber inquiring minds would like to know.

I already know..because I have an inquiring mind which is immune to O'Bomber Kool-Aid and I can't think of a single reason any American who loves America could possibly get hooked up with and vote for Barack Hussein O'Bomber who has shown his disdain, contempt and hatred for the United States and Americans.

What's your excuse?

posted September 26, 2008 01:50 PM         

If you're still having a difficult time wrapping your head around this concept, think on this:

If you have a bad experience with your doctor, and afterward tell the people in that doctor's own lobby about your experience, are you being deceitful? No, you believe yourself to be making a public service announcement. The doctor could very well come out, and that wouldn't deter you, would it? The doctor's presence or absense is irrelevant, and you --as the person with the complaint-- are neither cowardly, nor contemptible, nor disgusting, etc. etc. People may find you not credible, or have a different opinion, but they might also believe your opinion to coincide with theirs.

posted September 26, 2008 02:22 PM         

I'm glad to see the assault from Obama supporters here hasn't worn you down and you are resolutely sticking by your principles, as well as exposing some of the behaviour and argument of some Obama fans. This is especially welcome in the face of a seeming outward political consensus on Lindaland in favour of Obama.

posted September 26, 2008 02:41 PM         

O'Bomber is not a member of LindaLand and further he's exactly what I said he is, having done and said exactly what I said he's said and done. There's nothing wrong with telling the truth about O'Bomber. Telling the truth about O'Bomber is not character assassination. It's a public service the main stream media should be doing...and would be doing if they weren't lying partisans and "in the bag for O'Bomber".

There is however something very wrong about telling lies about political figures, like McCain and Sarah Palin. I've never seen or heard such vile, vituperrious bilge about anyone...except the lies told about Bush.

There was amply opportunity to say what Glaucus said about Mannu here but say it where Mannu was and also where Glaucus was..on GU. He chose to come here to make his snippy little remarks.

I'm beginning to think even your little rocking horse is too tall for you acoustic. Perhaps a wittle ladder....

Belage, I always know when arguments I make are right and on point. Others resort to snide little comments about me because they can't refute what I said...in this case, what I said about THE ONE, Lord Messiah O'Bomber and his Kool-Aid.

posted September 26, 2008 03:28 PM         

You know...and in case you don't know, I don't care who anyone votes for or supports. This is America after all.

What I object to are attempts by foreigners to interfere in our elections.

I object, not to praise of one candidate or the other but rather to vile, lying attacks on the character and person of candidates they don't like. For instance, dressing Bush up in a Nazi uniform. Dressing Bush up in a satan suit or a monkey suit. That's not discussion so I abandoned long ago any attempt to have rational discussion with leftists who at their core are irrational, illogical and unreasonable. These days, I content myself with telling the truth about leftist idols and icons.

Normally, I don't post much here except to answer a question now and then that someone asked about and didn't get a response...when I have something to say which might be helpful.

But cruising through the threads, I came across the Palin thread and of course, this thread and wow, what comments..and on the astrology forum, not on GU.

We were offered a video attacking McCain...not praising O'Bomber.

We were offered this comment...
Sh!tstirrer...and this one..What a tool. Somebody tell this guy how full of sh-- he is.

I'm not the posting police. But, if members want to engage in attack mode then they will be accommodated.

Thanks for your comments.

posted September 26, 2008 03:31 PM         

We shouldn't be putting each other down...whether it's a liberal putting a conservative down or a conservative putting a liberal down.

People should be allowed to express their views without being condescended and patronized to. On the other hand, I believe that people should express their views without being condescending and patronizing. That's a point that I have tried to make in the past.

I haven't been condescending and patronizing to others when I expressed my views. That goes with some other people. We get a share of being condescending and patronized to and even twisting our words and assuming things about us that we are not. We don't deserve that. A lot of people here don't deserve that.

I will even stick up for jwhop. There is no proof of him being racist imho. I am a person that won't hesitate to call people out when it comes to racism. He's just a conservative,and there is no crime in that. When he pushes his conservative views down people's throats and put liberals down because their views are not concurrent with his view of reality,it's a problem. I am definitely no racist with my interracial parentage and my history of interracial dating/relationships,and interracial friendships. The woman that I love more than anything in the world is a white woman like my mother. I wouldn't hesitate to be in an interracial marriage with her even though they are only 5 percent of all marriages in USA. I believe that people of all races are created equal,but I feel that many don't share that view. There is lack of equal treatment. I am a very liberal person,and I don't force my views down people's throats. However,I do defend fellow liberals too just like conservatives defend their fellow conservatives. I also believe that my liberal values don't have to be embraced by conservatives. I do believe that gay marriages should be legal because gay people are people too. They should have all their civil rights. Religious views shouldn't infringe on their rights just like religious views shouldn't infringe on the rights of interracial couples that want to be together. I am a believer in prochoice. I don't believe that a woman's right to choose infringes on the rights of women who are prolife. However,a lot of prolife people want their beliefs to infringe on the rights of women when it comes to parenthood. I believe in separation of church and state. After all,USA is not a Christian nation. It's a multifaith nation. It's about time, that everybody faces that reality. We have so many different religions in this country that we can't just ignore them and think that Christianity is the only valid religion. Who cares if somebody is a Muslim. Who cares if somebody is an Atheist. We all have different beliefs in some way or another. Just because my beliefs fit with New Age,Neopaganism,Unitarian Universalism,and New Thought doesn't mean that I should make people believe what I believe in. I wish a lot more Christians in USA would believe that too. We all should get used to the idea that we are a country of religious and cultural diversity. The hell with the culture wars.

I feel like this is like a war between ideological factions. I hate stuff like that. I believe that we can get along even though we have different ideological views just like we can get along even though we are of different races,genders,ethnicities,religions,etc.

In the bible, there is one verse I love

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

other words, treat people like you want to be treated.
That's the easiest concept of all, but it seems like it's the hardest thing to practice.

Let's not call people stupid,idiot,and other words because we don't agree

as a person with a history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADD who was in special education for 3 years, I know what it's like to be put down as having low intelligence even though I have above average intelligence. That's why I don't like to put people down as having low intelligence. After all,why should I tell that to people when I don't like it being told to me. My special education history taught me to be humble and tolerant of people's differences. I have a special place in my heart for people with special needs..especially ones that are children.

another thing, I was in the US Navy for years,and so nobody better call me not patriotic even though I don't agree with how USA is being run and how we are viewed by many people in other countries. I am no Anti-American, but I am definitely Anti-Bush. As a multiethnic person who grew up with multiculturalism and tolerance of religion, I reject good ol American values. I embrace diversity which is what USA is all about. I can get along with people of different races,religions,nationalities,etc because I was raised to see all people as equals. I believe that we all have the right to speak our minds about things without being treated like we are a dangerous enemy that needs to be put in prison or exiled. Thank God, that USA is always evolving. That's how things work. We get with the times.

any ways......I believe that we should all get along. I plead this to both conservatives and liberals as well as moderates. We all have different views. That's what diversity is all about. That's why we have so many religions on this earth. We need to avoid the Erisian trap of "I am right and you're wrong" and "you better be on my side or you're my enemy". We don't have to be torn between factions and be forced to choose. We can just agree to disagree and respect each other's differences. I wish a lot more people in USA would do that. Heck...I wish a lot more people on our planet will do that.

posted September 26, 2008 04:02 PM         

I am sick of both parties.
I will vote for Barack Obama because I am a liberal Democrat

I believe in what the Green Party stands for,but I wish that it was a major party that can strongly compete with the Republican and Democratic Parties.