posted September 21, 2008 01:24 AM         

lol

What a tool.

posted September 21, 2008 05:18 AM         

That's not all Obama and McCain have in common:
http://mizuoni1229.110mb.com/Obama_McCain/MainPage.html

posted September 21, 2008 11:14 AM         

One would think you Europeans have quite enough on your own plates to keep you busy for many years into the future.

You have the Labour Party...just another name for the British Socialist Party..who have done what Socialists always do and have done in Britain....destroyed your economy.

You have foreign born Islamic radicals mounting their soapboxes in the hearts of your cities announcing they are going to overthrow your government, overthrow your civilization and overthrow your English Common Law. And what do you do? Absolutely nothing. Since you are so free with advice for America, let me give you some. Think ahead and get ahead of the curve. You women need to be thinking about your new wardrobe. You have a Burka in your future. Something in basic black should fit the requirement.

I've thought for a long time that all those with balls, those with intelligence, drive and know how left Europe long ago. Some to Canada, some to Australia and many to the United States. And those left in Europe have a gigantic penis deficit which they can't get over and sooth themselves by hectoring, heckling and lecturing America and Americans.

In that, you have an ally in the person of Barack Hussein O'Bomber who never misses an opportunity to diss America and Americans.

Tell you Europeans what. Since you want O'Bomber, I'm perfectly willing to give him to you...tied in a nice red..and I do mean RED bow and wrapped in suitable presentation grade wrapping paper. We'll even pay the shipping charges. He will fit in there perfectly. He's a total fraud, an empty Marxist suit full of hot air which is the only thing which permits him to appear to stand up.

Some in Europe still have their heads screwed on straight..right handed threads and have thrown the Socialist clowns out of office..in Germany, in France, in Italy and soon, in Britain as well. Brown is on his way out and Ken (RED) Livingstone has already been thrown out as Mayor of London. How ironic that Londoners elected a Mayor who holds American citizenship.

I doubt you European Socialists are going to like the more conservative governments which have come or are coming to a theater near you.

posted September 22, 2008 11:09 AM         

"dahlink, american money has been running e(E)urope for some time so please lay off the socialists..."

Now katatonic for you to say or imply Europe is not socialist not only doesn't pass the smell test, it hardly rises to the level of passing the giggle test.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass who Europeans want for President. It's simply none of their business and further, there is a large contingent of Americans who would vote "against" the choice of Europeans and will. The "citizen of the world" is not going to be President of the United States. He may be the "ONE" Europeans have been waiting for but growing numbers of Americans recognize a fraud, phony and liar when we see and hear "ONE".

Another thing katatonic. I'm aware there are those who go into a fit of rage everytime there's a child born alive in the world...followed by a grand depressive funk. For those people, the "Infanticide Candidate, Barack Hussein O'Bomber" is your guy.

Those with even a faint spark of intelligence would immediately understand the implications of O'Bomber's statements on infanticide and look ahead to what those statements mean to their own futures in the area of right to life...and whom O'Bomber believes is in charge of making those decisions.

Finally katatonic, perhaps you're not well read but all and I do mean all the misogynist statements in this election have been coming off the O'Bomber campaign and his Kool-Aid drinking, thumb sucking, whining loons.

posted September 22, 2008 11:58 AM         

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I'm aware there are those who go into a fit of rage everytime there's a child born alive in the world...followed by a grand depressive funk.

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Nevermind your misstatement of Obama's position, this statement is exaggerated in the extreme. I don't think anyone here or anywhere can verify knowing a single person like this, so how is it that you know there is a group of people like this?

posted September 22, 2008 12:14 PM         

Are you British, Dragoon?

posted September 22, 2008 12:43 PM         

The subject here is abortion and infanticide which O'Bomber is all for and proved he's all for it by being one of only a few to speak AGAINST the BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT as introduced into the Illinois state legislature. Later, O'Bomber said the age at which a baby is covered by right to life protection is above his pay grade.

The Congress of the United States passed legislation protecting the lives of those babies born alive. O'Bomber is opposed to the basic concept...saying..."it burdens the doctor's and mother's decision for an abortion". Up O'Bomber's infanticide ass.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to bounce off each other would understand that's a open ended question in O'Bomber's mind and subject to legislative acts of government. Not at birth...because O'Bomber is against that. So, at what age does anyone have a basic right to life? O'Bomber isn't prepared to say anyone at all has that right...not at any age.

This is the Marxist/Socialist view that all rights come as a grant from government and no one has any rights whatsoever...unless their Socialist government says so.

God, how anyone could suggest this moron is a Constitutional scholar defies common sense. Yet, this same moron has been teaching law at University of Chicago. I suppose that's the very best reason available for all parents to pull their kids out of that utterly flawed University. The fact Bill Ayers...a Marxist domestic terrorist bomber teaches there too, is further proof that education dollars are being misspent in sending kids to University of Chicago for educational purposes. Leftist indoctrination is more the order of the day at that so called University.

Now acoustic, you've already lost this argument once when proof of what O'Bomber had to say in the Illinois State Senate was presented...word for word and it proved that O'Bomber is for active infanticide.

Never, not ever has O'Bomber spoken out against any abortion bill no matter how extreme...including partial birth abortion and the utterly gruesome procedure used to carry the abortion out. There isn't a court in the United States which would permit the most depraved mass murderer to be executed in that manner.

posted September 22, 2008 01:41 PM         

furthermore, when i say lay off the socialists i am not taking any position about whether europe is socialist or not - i am saying that if europe is socialist it is still funded and basically run by u.s. money so really you have no ground for complaint.

i have no problems with children being born. i love kids, including my own. (how many do you have??) but i do have problems with going back to the good old days when abortion was a nasty illegal business where many were hurt or fatally harmed, mothers and babies. do you really think that people will just merrily accept the government deciding their fate? do you really think we need more teenage parents? or backroom mistakes?

posted September 22, 2008 02:24 PM         

I wondered when someone would attempt to introduce the phony rape/incest and health of the mother argument into the mix.

Just for your information, 95% of all abortions are for the convenience of the mother. That's right, mothers kill their babies for the sake of convenience...theirs.

Rape and incest are the very smallest part of abortions in the US and health of the mother is so small a component as to be statistically insignificant. Still, in most states, rape and incest and health of the mother are reasons for a legal abortion. I see no reason to change that.

Now, while some rant and rave about Palin and her decision to carry a "down syndrome" baby to term...how awful wouldn't you say..Palin recognizes as does every person who understands the US Constitution, that abortion is not covered by the Constitution. It's outside the perview of the federal courts who have no real jurisdiction...only an assumed jurisdiction via Roe v Wade. Abortion is a state issue (10th Amendment) and the effect of overturning Roe v Wade in the federal courts would be to send the issue to the states to decide if they wanted to permit abortion or not and under what conditions. End of the story.

Yet, hysterics claim to be frightened of losing their rights. What rights? There is no federal constitutional right to an abortion.

BTW, calling a baby a fetus is merely slight of hand. It's not a real argument for anything...except for killing...in a gruesome manner..a baby.

You failed utterly to prove that US money rules Europe...and therefore Europeans have a right to resent the United States and US citizens. A dead bang loser of an argument.

Finally, you did say Palin was "indicted". You did not say she was under investigation and there's a vast difference...a difference which you as an American citizen should know.

Now, just so you know; I'm posting on this thread because someone decided to interject a political subject into the astrology forum and it's not the first time.

***edited to add***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s&eurl=http://worldnetdai ly.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75788

Obama ad goes to war with abortion survivor
Video slams woman for 'despicable lie'
Posted: September 20, 2008
5:20 pm Eastern
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75788

posted September 22, 2008 03:06 PM         

oh btw

posted September 22, 2008 04:01 PM         

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The subject here is abortion and infanticide which O'Bomber is all for and proved he's all for it by being one of only a few to speak AGAINST the BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT as introduced into the Illinois state legislature.

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I've already addressed this in G.U. There is an Illinois law on the books already that protects and provides care for ALL babies that are born alive. His opinion of the other proposed legislation was merely expressed support for abortion rights. The only one confusing the facts here is you.

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Now acoustic, you've already lost this argument once when proof of what O'Bomber had to say in the Illinois State Senate was presented...word for word and it proved that O'Bomber is for active infanticide.

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I must have missed that, because what I remember was providing the actual Illinois law that is already in place, and has been in place for years, which speaks to the contrary. Obama's comments in the Illinois Senate, as far as I've read, state that he believes the medical community already protect live births.

[T]he only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made the assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, let’s say for the purposes of the mother’s health, is being — that — that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, and in fact this was not a nonviable fetus but, in fact, a live child, that the physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical procedures and practices that would be involved in saving that child.

Now, if — if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I — I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects that doctors feel that they would already be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations... -Obama

posted September 22, 2008 04:38 PM         

O'Bomber would not vote to protect the lives of babies born alive and that's the simple fact. Everything else is pure spin and bullshiiit. He had his chance and failed to support the identical bill in the Illinois Senate..he spoke against it and voted against it.

The name of that Bill as passed by the Congress of the United States is:

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

It's hard to imagine an extremist so dark and clueless who could vote against protecting babies who are born alive in the United States but O'Bomber is one such extremist boob.

Perhaps O'Bomber just needs to read the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution. One would think this birdbrained moron already had done so...since he's been lecturing in the law at University of Chicago Law School.

Read it for yourselves. It's perfectly clear, crystal clear.

5th Amendment USC
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Now, just as soon as you or anyone else shows me that these born alive babies have had due process in a court of law and have had the services of legal counsel to protect their rights under the clear meaning of the 5th Amendment...then, come back and we'll talk.

Until then, O'Bomber's position of letting babies born alive die without available medical intervention is...depriving them of life and without due process of law and his position is absolutely indefensible and twisted.

posted September 22, 2008 08:11 PM         

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Are you British, Dragoon?

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posted September 23, 2008 12:11 AM         

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Are you British, Dragoon?

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