posted September 22, 2008 07:50 AM            

Do you have an Out of Bounds Planet?

What is in an out of bounds planet you say? A planet whose declination is greater than 23 degrees and 27 minutes. It can either be south (Tropic of Capricorn) or north (Tropic of Cancer).

Which planets? http://www.astrology21.co.uk/b1outofbounds.html

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Apart from the Sun, only Saturn and Neptune never go out of bounds. All other planets - Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto - plus the Moon go out of bounds at some point during their cycles.

Mercury, Venus, and Mars go out of bounds on a frequent basis. The Moon has an 18.6 year pulsation, divided into approximately 9-year halves. It spends around 9 years within the Sun's path, and then another 9 years making regular excursions outside the solar bounds.

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What happens to a planet when it is past this declination?

According to some websites: http://www.adze.com/Classroom/glossary.html

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When the Moon or a planet is beyond the Tropic is acts weird and Uranian.

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In which situations can they applied in? http://www.astroscapes.com/out-of-bounds_planets.htm

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Out-of-bounds can occur in a natal, secondary , solar arc, transits, horary, etc charts. How the energy manifests will be according to the planet's nature, sign, and condition. The energy is exaggerated or abnormal. This energy does not necessarily have to manifest in a negative way as some of the most gifted individuals have one or more out-of-bounds natal positions.

In secondary progressions, out-of-bound bodies will tend to bring to the surface out-of-the-ordinary situations--thus opportunity. Every situation that life presents, positive or negative, is an opportunity. The out-of-bounds condition results in greater understanding and answers many of the life questions that baffle us about our world.

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North v South OOB? http://www.astrologer.com/aanet/pub/journal/declination-for-beginners.htm

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There is also a difference between being out of bounds in the north and in the south. Generally speaking, and this applies to all planets whether out of bounds or not, northern declinations are more outward in effect while southern declinations are inward and have more effect on oneself. It is quite normal to find that no planets are out of bounds on a birth chart. However by progression a natal planet may move out of bounds during the course of a person"s life and during that time the planet could operate more independently and freely.

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The South Pole is said to be the attracting Pole and the North Pole is defined as the detracting opposite.

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Separating North & South extremes is 0º Aries/Libra, the axis on which change from North to South declination (or vice versa) "hinges". When bodies cross this 0º  line, changes tend to occur--changes of all kinds, marriage, divorce, careers, moves, births etc. When planets enter the North declination, an opportunity for closure on some major factor in life occurs and a new beginning or major change results. The effects tend to be based more on personal effort with greater control than in the South declination. South declination describes the area where information is drawn in and where learning occurs. The equinoctial "hinge" is thus a "power line".

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When planets will be OOB in the next few years: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-information/out-of-bounds.php

What the various OOB planets mean:

http://www.astroamerica.com/refer5.html

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Accounting for Maximum Declination: Because the earth's maximum declination changes, from a minimum of 22 degrees 36 minutes, to a maximum of 24 degrees, 12 minutes over a very slow moving 40,000 year cycle, the points at which planets go beyond it by declination (ie, "out of bounds") also changes. Presently maximum declination is decreasing & presently stands at 23 degrees 26' 30".
Celestial Body Relationships: Definitions of parallel & contraparallel, with diagram.
The Primary Concept: Out of bounds, as a variable, defined.
Out of Bounds Significance: When planets are further from the equator than what the sun itself travels in a year (eg, beyond the borders of the Tropics of Cancer or Capricorn), they are known as out of bounds and are understood to be beyond normal conditions or expectations (coined by KT Boehrer). How this relates to the earth's magnetic poles.
Zodiacal Sign Relevance: The normal out of bounds signs are Gemini, Cancer, Sagittarius & Capricorn. Watch out for planets out of bounds in other signs.
Maverick Planets: Pluto, Mars & Venus, all out of bounds where they shouldn't & what that means.
Moon out of Bounds: Major (out of bounds) and minor (in bounds) standstills, which is when the moon reaches its maximum declination (N or S) and changes direction.
Planets out of Bounds: Saturn & Neptune, in modern times, never go out of bounds. Mercury goes out of bounds one to three times a year. When that coincides with its being retrograde, the retrograde is particuarly severe (now you know).
Jupiter out of Bounds. Erratic.
Uranus out of Bounds. Dependable. (surprise!)
Pluto, the Known Rogue: Shorter & shorter out of bounds periods through the centuries.
Maurading Mars: Out of bounds once every year, along with other observed Martian patterns.

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Persons born with the Moon out of bounds will show an intense need for personal freedom and an aversion to limitations and boundaries. Examples of persons with the moon out of bounds include Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Catherine the Great, Oprah Winfrey, Al Gore, Theodore Roosevelt, Lucille Bal and Amelia Earheart.

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Example of someone using OOB Moon on the stock market: http://www.astrology21.co.uk/b1outofbounds.html

Example of OOB Mars - leading to Waco massacre of 1993 and California Bushfires: http://judecowell.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/mars-and-the-fires-of-california/

Trouble with the OOB Mars: http://starsoverwashington.blogspot.com/2008/01/trouble-with-out-of-bounds-mars.html

Mozart and his OOB Mars in Cancer: http://www.starpearls.com/learning_profiles_mozart.html

Just another general article: http://judecowell.wordpress.com/category/oobs-planets/

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Question: what OOB planets do you have?
Check your declinations. It is simple to do. Go to astro.com, draw up a regular natal chart and click the "View the additional tables (PDF)" link to generate your chart in table form and then look to see if any planets fall past the magic angle. Add your OOB planet here and also consult famous charts and see what you can find.

You can get an additional OOB planet interpretation at this website: http://www.adze.com/SuperPower/
Put in your details to draw up your chart and any OOB planets will appear on the interpretation.

For myself, I have a very OOB mars (at 25.5 N). This is very important to me as it is my chart ruler, it falls in gemini/3rd. Oddly Henry Kissinger had an OOB mars in gemini as well as a libran moon (I also have a libran moon). He won a Nobel Peace Prize for diplomatic work. I guess for myself, I have used my mars in my life before, I think also it has a dramatic effect on my appearance giving me a much more aries rising appearance than others (even though I have a very airy chart). I can't remember where I read it, but the further the OOB a planet is, the more rampant it becomes and around the "magic" degree it becomes strong but not rampant.

I then looked at my parents and my mum is a suspected aries rising. She too has an OOB mars at just past 24 degrees. My dad has no OOB planets. This got me thinking if these things were inherited like other astrological factors in a chart. So I did some more testing and used the English royal family as a test. It seems that birth times need not be exact to determine if a planet is OOB, declinations don't move far over time periods (except maybe for the moon).

English Royal Family and their OOB planets:

Queen Mother - Mars in Gemini/1st - 23°35’22" N
George VI (Queen's father) - Moon in Sco/8th - 25° 1’44" S; Mercury in Sagittarius/9th - 23°55’ 5" S (also sun is very close to OOB - 23°13’50" S)

Queen Elizabeth - nothing OOB!
Prince Phillip - Sun in Gemini - 23°26’46" N (birthtime unknown)
Princess Margaret - Moon in cancer/5th - 26° 5’32" N

Princess Anne - Ura in cancer/6th - 23°29’23" N
Prince Andrew - nothing OOB
Prince Edward - nothing OOB (although NN close - 23°13’21" N)

Prince Charles - Mars in sagittarius/5th - 24° 3’53" S (jupiter is geting close - 23°22’45" S - see Harry)
Princess Diana - nothing OOB! (although sun is at 23 deg - see William)
Prince William -Sun in Cancer/7th - 23°26’26" N
Prince Harry - Jupiter in Capricorn/12th - 23°29’44" S

Frances Spencer (mother of Diana) - moon in sagittarius/7th - 24°51’17" S (birthtime unknown)
Sarah Spencer (sister of Diana) - NN in Capricorn at 23°26’19" S (birthtime unknown)
Cynthia Spencer (sister of Diana) - no OOB planets
Charles Spencer (brother of Diana) - Venus in Cancer/11th - 26°53’18" N (birthtime unknown)

...and no, based on what I have seen so far, there doesn't appear to be anything karmic about them.

posted September 22, 2008 04:21 PM            

ok that explains the boyfriend then ;-) moon OOB at 27deg51...

and my little chipmunk at 26deg58

posted September 22, 2008 04:39 PM            

That Mars is Square his Sun. I have Mars Trine Sun. His Dad and brother have Mars Opp Sun.

Mars rules

posted September 23, 2008 02:19 AM            

I wonder if OOB asteroids have a similar type of influence...?

posted September 23, 2008 03:56 AM            

23's link describes an OOB Venus like this:

Venus beyond the Tropic of Capricorn

EXTRAORDINARY CHARM

Truly, you are a "Venusian Character." You can be: the diplomat, romantic, sweetie, hair dresser ( ), glamour puss, beauty queen, sexpot, lover and seducer. You lead something of a charmed life. People like you and are attracted by your strong beauty and style. You are naturally polite, suave, civilized, refined, and beautiful. Love and the good life are important to you.

I find that site quite charming!

posted September 23, 2008 04:04 AM            

Deux - according to the articles above, neptune never goes out of bounds

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23, come on over. I'll do your hair while we watch SATC.

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I'm quite happy to pull the sawn-off out of my Gucci Bag Now don't move Jane

posted September 23, 2008 04:17 AM            

My OOB asteroids are Ceres, Isis, Osiris, Eros and, just to astrologically double dip, my own personal name asteroid. Booya! I'm out of bounds!

posted September 23, 2008 04:29 AM            

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23, what i mean is my Mercury is OOB and it is conjunct to my Neptune. Does it have any effect on my Neptune?

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Deux- I'm sure it has some effect on the conj, maybe make the mercury on par with neptune or something. Usually the outer planet has the upper hand except maybe against sun in a conj.

Jane - yes, I have read Steppenwolf and despite me originally disliking it, I grew to understand and really like the book by the end. Never quite figured out what it was about, thought it was about mental illness or something

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23, maybe your lust is for something else. Learning, right?

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I hope so I don't really know what to make of it really. Izo also has a similar issue too!

Love - that's a hell of a lot! Ceres would be good for a caring type profession like nursing I think!

posted September 23, 2008 04:32 AM            

"It is common knowledge that no one writes worse than these defenders of decrepit ideas."

and

"Just as madness, in a higher sense, is the beginning of all wisdom, so is schizophrenia the beginning of all art and all fantasy."

posted September 23, 2008 04:38 AM            

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"Just as madness, in a higher sense, is the beginning of all wisdom, so is schizophrenia the beginning of all art and all fantasy."

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posted September 23, 2008 02:10 PM            

The way this manifests is that I'm fiercely independant, prefer my own company & self protective.....
I get irritated when I see women give their power away or act inferior to men.

posted September 23, 2008 02:25 PM              

Other oob asteroids:
Karma
Isis
Osiris
Lust