posted September 29, 2008 10:52 PM              

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what assorted black power threads?

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The ones you have posted in favour of Jeremiah Wright and his teachings.

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and so Rev Wright has some founding to expess a lot of discontent.

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Rev. Wright and similar black theologians are not only anti-West and anti-Christianity, their teachings are an inversion of Christian and Western beliefs. Christianity says that God and good exist, and that we were created by God, and they we should follow God and become more like him.

Black theology replaces God with black rage. Black anger at white evil thus becomes the first principle of black theology, the ultimate truth. So blacks who follow black theology don't have to become more like God or follow God's example – because they are already identical to God in their mind, who is nothing more than black rage against whites.

Being mixed race doesn't preclude being involved in black power theology or politics, neither does fancying/loving someone of another race. Barack Obama chose Rev. Wright as his spiritual mentor.

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I feel that a person with some black ancestry who posts from the black perspective shouldn't be accused of being racist or believing in black power..

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posted September 29, 2008 11:52 PM            

I wanted to point that blacks deal with a lot of racism, and so there is some truth in what Rev. Wright said. As a person who is part black, I know this personally. I am sure that a whole lot of people that are part black know this personally including the ones that post in this forum.

Just because a person post something about racism doesn't mean that they believe in conspiracy theories. I feel that another perspective has to be added. There can be multiple perspectives. There have been whites giving their perspectives about Rev. Wright. Therefore,I don't see why a person with some black ancestry can't give his perspectives about Rev. Wright.

We all have different views. That's why there are so many religions on our planet. Even Christianity is divided into many denominations. Many Christians don't agree on things. There are numerous definitions of what Christianity and God is. Not all Christians believe the same about Christianity and God.
Many Christians are self righteous and force their views down other people's throats. Christianity has been abused throughout history, and it has been used to condone things like racism,imperialism and taking people's lands,slavery,discrimination,homophobia,sexism,xenophobia, political bigotry, and just mistreatment and bigotry in general. It's been used to mistreat others who are different in some way. That's one of the reasons why black churches started. Many black churches have to do with social justice, developing pride,connections,and strength. Black Liberation Theology focuses on those things. Blacks had turned to religion when they were slaves. They turned to religion when they were dealing with Jim Crow laws. They turned to religion even now when there is still a lot or racial discrimination going on in USA. It took a black Christian preacher to lead the Civil Rights movement,and that man's name was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He was a fierce critic of racism and foreign policy in USA.

Not everybody is Christian. There is a lot of religious prejudice here in USA....especially against Islam. USA is a not a Christian nation....It's a multifaith nation. People need to accept that. I am definitely not a Christian. My beliefs fit under New Age,Neopaganism,and Universalism.

I don't post endlessly about white people and white racism. That is an exaggeration. There is no crime posting about racism against blacks. There is nothing wrong posting things from the black perspective. There is nothing wrong posting sociological astrological threads from a black perspective.

Too many people think that blacks complain about nonexistent racism. A lot of people don't understand that racism can be subtle and not just overt. There is a lot of subtle racism in USA,and it's highly misunderstood. Then many blacks get accused of imagining racism by many whites. There have been surveys that confirm that.

I post facts and not just opinions. I backed up my stuff with urls.

Perceptions are relative too....not everybody perceives things the same way. It doesn't necessarily that the person is right nor does it necessarily mean that the person is wrong.

Poll shows gap between blacks and whites over racial discrimination
The poll, however, shows that blacks and whites see racial discrimination in starkly different terms. When asked "how much discrimination against blacks" exists, 10 percent of whites said "a lot" and 45 percent said "some."
Among blacks, 57 percent said "a lot" and all but a fraction of the rest said "some."
Asked how much of America's existing racial tension is created by blacks, more than one-third of white respondents said "most" or "all," and 9 percent said "not much." Only 3 percent of blacks said "most" or "all," while half said "not much at all."
Nearly three-fourths of blacks said white people have too much influence in American politics. Only 12 percent of whites agreed. Almost three times as many blacks as whites said blacks have too little influence.
Asked how much of America's existing racial tension is created by blacks, more than one-third of white respondents said "most" or "all," and 9 percent said "not much." Only 3 percent of blacks said "most" or "all," while half said "not much at all."
Nearly three-fourths of blacks said white people have too much influence in American politics. Only 12 percent of whites agreed. Almost three times as many blacks as whites said blacks have too little influence.
Far more blacks than whites say government officials "usually pay less attention to a request or complaint from a black person than a white person."
One in five whites have felt admiration for blacks "very" or "extremely" often. Seventy percent of blacks have felt the same about whites. http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-race-in-america

There is a considerable racial divide to blacks and whites when it comes to percepion of racism. It doesn't take a rocket scientist figure out that a lot of whites would think blacks including Rev. Wright are imagining racism. I am really sick and tired of racial divide. I get tired of racist blacks,and I get tired of racist whites. I get tired of racist people in general. I wish that all people would get along. I also wish that people would wake up and acknowledge racism is a big problem,deal with it,and get rid of it once and for all. It takes a lot of deep,honest communication and interaction with each other.

One of things that get me angry is when twist other's words, assume false things about people

a lot of people get annoyed that they can't speak their minds about injustices without being accused of whining,being racist,unpatriotic. It's a bunch of B.S.

Why not put on some dark makeup all over your body,put on a frizzy-haired wig, and come to USA and personally experience race relations here in USA. Then maybe,then you can see what many people with black ancestry go through like being called the n'word, being called nappyheaded, or being called a ghetto hoe,as well as overall nastiness,discrimination from racist people. Some whites have actually done that,and they learned a lot from the experience. Heck...there was a movie called 'SoulMan(starring C. Thomas Howell)" that was about a white guy disguising himself as black man to get Harvard Law School scholarship. He got more than he bargained for. He learned that being black isn't all that great and that not everybody loves black people. He learned to feel what blacks feel, and heck..even ended up falling in love with a black woman. Empathy from actual personal experience. In other words, understanding from walking a mile in another person's shoes.

So please consider that before you get all selfrighteous and negatively judge a person with black ancestry for pointing out that race relations here in America is not all that it's cracked up to be.

lets agree to disagree.

posted September 29, 2008 11:59 PM            

I already did. That included things that make both Bluemoon and Deliverance angry

posted September 28, 2008 12:23 AM
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I have Mars in Aquarius in 6th. The same things that make bluemoon and deliverance angry make me angry.
The main things that make me angry are bigotry,intolerance of diversity,disrespect for the rights of others,mistreatment,cruelty,selfishnes,selfrighteous hypocrisy,and lack of compassion,bigotry,racism,prejudging others without knowing them,intellectual snobbery,condescension,patronization,putting people down

I once told a psychiatrist "It's ignorant ass people that make me irritable"

the aspects to my Mars in Aquarius in 6th:
conjunct Moon in Pisces in 6th
square Mercury-Venus in Scorpio in 3rd
square Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd

I was responding to bvanzy's previous post to point out there were no black power threads. She accused me in another thread of hating white people including hating my own white mother. Those things are false and uncalled for. I never generalized about whites being racist. I never said that all nor even most whites are racist. I only noted that many blacks deal with a lot of racism from many whites. It's weird how a person type words like many,and people assume that it means all or most. I feel that people read too much into what people type and assume they mean something more extreme. I feel that it's important to not judge people without truly knowing them. That's a form of prejudice. A person with some black ancestry that talks about race relations issues in USA shouldn't be accused of posting about black power stuff nor having a generalized view about whites being racist. There was no talk about black racial superiority nor hatred against whites either. The posting was about racial relations issues as counterarguments against people that are selfrighteous and judge a black person for speaking out against racism and foreign policies. It was also giving a black perspective which is something that is not tolerated in many places without harsh criticism and attacks by many whites(note: I said many..not most nor all). I feel that racism is very misunderstood and often ignored...especially subtle racism. There is considerable racial divide between black and whites when it comes to perceptions of racism. Therefore, many people with black ancestry get accused of imagining racism. If they point out racism is bad in America,then they get accused of being racist and Anti-American. I feel that it's a load of crap. A lot of people need to address their selfrighteousness. They should walk a mile in people shoes before they negatively judge other people.

posted September 29, 2008 09:54 PM
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Just Sarah Palin ones? What about Obama threads? How about those McCain ones? What about the abortion argument thread? The assorted black power threads?

I tend to call people out on their selfrighteousness...especially if they are hypocrites. It doesn't matter what race,religion,nationality they are.

you can also check more about me and how I think at yahoo answers. I posted my views about race and politics. I expressed my beliefs that there should be unity, and I pointed out problems of selfrighteous hypocrisy that's a big problem....especially when bigotry is hidden in a religious cloak, and it infringes on the rights of others. Those are things that do make me angry. Those are things that I am passionate about,and I do speak out against them.

racial double standards annoy me.
When Barack Obama didn't wear a flag pin,his patriotism if questioned.
John McCain hasn't won flag pins including even presidential debate, but nobody gives him crap about it.
Hillary Clinton didn't wear one either,and nobody gave her crap either
many other presidential candidates didn't wear flag pins,but nobody gave them crap about it.

it's okay for white people to show pride and confidence in their abilities
but when black people show pride and confidence,they are seen as arrogant

if a white person is activist,he is often seen as caring about causes
if a black person is an activist,he is often seen as an angry radical

posted September 30, 2008 12:43 AM            

On a serious note, plagarism or the accusation is not funny. I used to get that in Primary school a lot from a particular teacher, she couldn't handle that I had a brain. There's a whole story between this teacher and I and her bullying.

posted September 30, 2008 12:52 AM            

exactly
false accusations are terrible.

posted September 30, 2008 01:03 AM              

Glaucus - You make false and malevolent accusations everywhere you go. Always looking for a scapegoat, you always bear false witness.

posted September 30, 2008 01:13 AM            

bvanzy,

there is a lot of condescension,patronizing,and false accusations coming from you. Those are things that I have listed that make me angry.

I don't have any victimology training. Pointing about race relations issues in America have nothing to do with practicing victimology. It has to do with Sociology,History,and Psychology about race relations here in America. I also don't practice black liberation theology nor do I go to any black churches. I don't even go to church because I am not a Christian. I already said that my beliefs fit with New Age,Neopaganism,and Unitarian Universalism. I am a pantheist, and that means that I believe that all is divine and that the divine is in all. That keys in with my belief that there should be unity and universal love because of my belief that we are all connected through the divine which I believe is both male and female. I believe that everything is yin and yang like the zodiac signs. I believe in religious tolerance. I believe that there are many spiritual,religious paths that can lead to attainment.

I don't make false and malevolent accusations everywhere I go. I don't always look for scapeboat nor always bear false witness. What a bunch of crap.

I would appreciate that you stop with personal character attacks just because I defended myself and pointed out about race relations issues in America as well as pointed out your needless selfighteousness and negative judgment against people for giving a black perspective about race relations.

posted September 30, 2008 01:13 AM            

Yes, I think it's a bad symptom of the Sun-Neptune conj that you have, the misrepresented image. The English teacher thing must have been very hurtful though, esp when you work hard simply because you like the teacher.

posted September 30, 2008 01:15 AM            

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Another friend of mine suggested I use industrial superglue to fix his bin to the area in front of his own window - but I reckon he'd call the police and call it 'criminal damage' to his bin and they'd - well - suspect ME.

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