posted September 29, 2008 10:51 AM              

My other 11th house planet would be Uranus. With regard to friendships, I make them easily and can break them easily. I seldom feel like I belong in any one group (now uranus explains it), and I am not likely to conform, even though I may be inclined to.. deep inside I become restless and unsettled.

I have not come to the stage where organisations and social issues are part of my sphere, but I can forsee that happening in the future.

posted September 29, 2008 11:32 AM            

I learnt using EQHS and the Moon/Pluto always seemed a better fit than in the 10th as it is with Placidus. But not Mars which would be in the 4th. Er, no. Unless that means arguing with my mother. Swings and roundabouts.

According to Bill Herbst in "Houses of the Horoscope" the 11th governs:

Appropriate behaviour
Friendship, social circle
Shared creativity
Receiving love

posted September 29, 2008 04:35 PM              

This was my original post there:

Hi out there,
in several threads I read about the 11th house as an indicator for "receiving love", how a person might receive love, probably. This thought was new to me - I always considered the 11th more as a "friendship house" and attached to matters such as high hopes and idealism.

Did that theory verify in your lives? That the 11th house tells something about how you receive love? How love is given to you from other people? Or what could it mean?

Mine is ruled by Venus (house cusp in Libra), and here are some of my planets/points there:

- Jupiter
- Cupido
- Poseidon
- Fascination
- Toro
- Aphrodite
- Osiris
- Union
- Liebe
- Happiness
- Utopia

All I can say is ... I tend to fall for the "wrong guys". Often the "Macho types" - although quarrels are forseeable. And I often feel disappointed, desillusioned. (I also have Venus square Neptune, though.)

So, what's your 11th house like?

posted September 30, 2008 04:05 PM            

Sorry Bill, I think I got this one in a second-hand store so you aren't getting any revenue from the sale. But the way I keep plugging it, it's got to be giving you some positive vibes somehow somewhere. Anyway, I like your book, a lot, and here is what you say about the 11th house and receiving love:

Jupiter

quote:

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Being loved is based on the positive vision of yourself reflected in another's eyes. Primary amongst these is wisdom. When your wisdom is recognised by others, you feel loved.....

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Mars

quote:

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You want to be loved and you extend yourself to make it possible. ... you feel loved when your suitor acts out your desires, when the behaviours are direct, foreful and ardent. Urgency looks like love to you, as does assertion, and above all, passion...

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He also says:

FRIEINDSHIP & SOCIAL CIRCLE~> It's not hard for you to make friends (Jupiter), you're loyal but frienships can bring conflict (Mars).

GROUP PARTICIPATION ~> Groups want you around (Jupiter) you like to get involved with them, but can be over assertive (Mars).

APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR ~> You've got an almost sixth sense that makes you know how to act in social settings (Jupiter), a natural instinct. Social embarrassment is something you find painful. (Mars)

quote:

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if anyone criticizes you about a certain behaviour, you will tend to defend yourself very aggressively, sometimes compounding the problem

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SHARED CREATIVITY

Mars ~ "Your creative role is to push the group toward new directions and new challenges."

posted September 30, 2008 09:29 PM            

Personally, I don't like that, but I guess it's how the aspect plays out. It's like unquestioned authority? In classes, at work, wherever I am...if there's a GROUP activity, I am always the "captain", "group leader", "spokesperson", etc. Often times, its not self designated.

Sometimes, I'm friends with people solely because they'd rather be my friend than not (I think that's Pluto working).

When I was younger, I attracted very controlling and domineering friends. Ridiculously beautiful, wealthy, cultured yet superficial people who I let control me and manipulate my self-expression (the 5th/11th axis thing, and the Sun).

As I've gotten older, that's manifested to me taking a leadership role amongst my peers, and now to a profound and obsessive preoccupation with politics and the good of society. I have friends in high places (Sun/Pluto?) as well as amongst my peer level.

I too have the horrible battle between being a social butterfly (Sun/Venus) and a complete recluse (Pluto in 11th, Saturn in 12th). I make friends very easily, but I count the ones who are tried and true and have been there to experience me at my worst.

I also live through my hopes and dreams, I so don't live in the present...or the past. I have to work on that constantly. I have Uranus and Neptune in my 1st house, and Jupiter in my 3rd making it more difficult for me to keep myself grounded. With Saturn and Mercury camping out in my 12th, they aren't helping out much either, haha.