posted October 01, 2008 10:21 PM         

I am finally got rid of my pessimism in regards to the presidential
election. I felt that my ability to check out the election was
hampered by it. I also felt that I couldn't be impartial with my
being a liberal Democrat desiring an Obama victory. I figured Bush
would get elected the last 2 elections, and so I am capable of being
impartial. Magi Astrology was used.

MAGI ASTROLOGY TRANSITS AND SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS FOR JOHN MCCAIN
AND BARACK OBAMA

When it came to transits, I only looked at planets, Mars and more
distant

enhancement transits(positive): conjunction,trine,bidirectional
quincunx,parallel...also contraparallel(unless it involves Saturn)

turbulent transits(negative): square,quincunx

McCain's Enhancement Transits:

McCain has Venus square Chiron in his Chart
Transiting Neptune forms a Super Cinderella Mystic Triangle transit
with it by quincunxing his Venus and trining his Chiron
According to Magi Astrology, whenever a quincunx transit involves a
retrograde planet, it is a bidirectional aspect,and that is
considered an activation transit.....transiting Neptune is
retrograde, and so
Transiting Neptune quincunx McCain's Venus is an activation transit
It is very interesting how McCain referred to Sarah Palin as his
soulmate. He announced her as his running mate during the Super
Cinderella transit. Transiting Chiron was birdirectionally quincunx
his Neptune for another Cinderella transit at the time. Magi Society
says that we meet our soulmates during the times that we have
Cinderella transits.

natal Venus square Chiron:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some
interpretations: charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,
strong marriage and family orientation, a career involved with making
money, love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age and what
is a part of the New Age, money from marriage and family, money from
endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the
public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost
always in love with being in love and therefore always needs to be in
a love relationship, resulting in a tendency to fall in love easily.

Transiting Neptune trine Chiron:
one of the best aspects for business, it provides the highest level
of financial security,especially from Neptunian sources and endeavors

Transiting Neptune quincunx Venus:
one of the most powerful Super Aspects in terms of making
money,especially from Neptunian endeavors. By all means, maneuver
your schedule and plans to try to include this aspect in all business
charts, especially employment charts. This is a great aspect under
which to start a job! It is even useful to initiate small business
matters with this aspect, such as opening a bank or brokerage account
especially an IRA or pension account). It is also the best aspect
time to commit to any purchase over a period of time, such as buying
a house on a mortgage or a car on credit. This aspect will help you
make you all the payments.

McCain has Mars parallel Chiron, and transiting Pluto contraparallels
both to form a Super Chiron Activation Transit

Mars parallel Chiron:
One of the Male Sexual Aspects, it creates the ultimate high energy
level, generates more pure energy than any other aspect,and rates as
a Super Sports Champion Aspect (a term from Astrology Works!). But
the Chiron-Mars aspect does not help coordination in the way that
Venus-Mars aspect does. The native needs aspects that help
coordination in order to most beneficially harness the energy this
aspect provides. If this aspect is not well used and controlled
through moral teachings, there can be constant moral slippage toward
excessive aggressiveness, and even belligerency.

Transiting Pluto contraparallel Chiron:
a Super Aspect endows extraordinary profit-making power. This is a
great enhancement to have in any electional chart. We call this
enhancement the STAR WARS enhancement because the movie was released
under such an enhancement.

Transiting Pluto contraparallel Mars:
a very helpful aspect to have in any business chart;it helps provide
the energy and drive needed for success. It also provides a special
ability to be competitive in business.

Transiting Chiron trine Ascendant:
a very helpful aspect when it comes to business; it is most helpful
in technology,entertainment,and inventions.

McCain has Jupiter contraparallel Pluto,and transiting Jupiter
contraparallel Pluto and parallel Pluto....a Super Success Transit

Jupiter contraparallel Pluto:
This is the most powerful Super Aspect when it comes to helping the
native achieve success in Pluto matters, such as big business and
power. The native is never satisfied and will always push to
accumulate wealth and power

Transiting Jupiter contraparallel Pluto:
one of the best aspects to include in any business chart,especially
when starting a job,business,or corporation

Transiting Jupiter parallel Jupiter:
success

Transiting Saturn parallel Uranus:
can be helpful in achieving dominance in areas ruled by Uranus,but
not as good as the Jupiter-Uranus enhancement aspect

Transiting Uranus contraparallel Neptune
- good for business

John McCain's Turbulent Transits:

Transiting Saturn oppose Saturn
Transiting Saturn contraparallel Saturn
(Saturn-Saturn Eclipse Turbulent Transit)
- a time to be viewed disfavorably,bad luck,control issues
Magi Society also believes that Saturn is the planet of deception and
not Neptune.

Transiting Neptune quincunx Chiron - it's exact too!
- bad,bad,and bad; no money,no resources, and no talent. It is not
something you want in a business chart.
(note: it's not bidirectional quincunx transit like it was when he
announced Sarah Palin as his running mate....therefore it's not a
Cinderella Transit)

Transiting Pluto square Mercury
- problems with big business and communications, issues with power

Transiting Uranus oppose Neptune
- problems with business

Secondary Progressions:

SP Mars trine Natal Moon:
This aspect is representative of a person that is highly
emotional,enthusiastic,never at a loss for initiative,can be
susceptible to being hyper,and can't stay put. It is this aspect that
is associated with a person who taps a table with the end of a pencil
incessantly.

SP Mercury square Natal Mars:
- the EXPRESS YOURSELF ASPECT, this person holds nothing back and
will not be silent;if there is a problem, you will know about it fast-
--fast. This individual is also highly intelligent, has great
reflexes,is very coordinated,has a lightning mind with a natural
ability to score high on aptitude and IQ tests, and is very
communicative, Women with this aspect have a tendency to communicate
in a masculine way,sometimes even in a vulgar fashion. Also this
aspect helps reduce the chances of respiratory ailments.

SP Mars contraparallel Natal Mercury:
- the EXPRESS YOURSELF ASPECT, this person holds nothing back and
will not be silent;if there is a problem, you will know about it fast-
--fast. This individual is also highly intelligent, has great
reflexes,is very coordinated,has a lightning mind with a natural
ability to score high on aptitude and IQ tests, and is very
communicative, Women with this aspect have a tendency to communicate
in a masculine way,sometimes even in a vulgar fashion. Also this
aspect helps reduce the chances of respiratory ailments.

SP Sun contraparallel SP Chiron:
- This is one of the most powerful aspects that is not a Super
Aspect. It helps the native to be noteworthy and/or charismatic. If
the native also has a Super Aspect formed by Chiron, then he or she
can have a hypnotic or mesmerizing influence on most of us. This is
also a Female Romance Aspect where the native (person born with the
aspect), if female, has an unusually intense desire for marriage and
children. Such women often marry and have children when they are very
young.

SP Venus oppose SP Chiron:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some
interpretations: charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,
strong marriage and family orientation, a career involved with making
money, love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age and what
is a part of the New Age, money from marriage and family, money from
endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the
public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost
always in love with being in love and therefore always needs to be in
a love relationship, resulting in a tendency to fall in love easily.

To sum it up: John McCain can be viewed as somebody that Americans
look up to,trust,and could do no wrong. This seems like it can be
connected to his being a war hero who is needed during this time of
War against Terrorism and the War in Iraq. On the other hand,it also
shows that he will be viewed disfavorably by many. There is a
possibility of deception and fraud that could involve the election.
There will definitely be a lot of people who will be very
dissatisfied with his being elected. It could also indicate that
after he gets elected, it could be too much for him and could be very
stressful for him. The exact transiting Neptune quincunx his Chiron
seems to indicate the financial crisis that he will have to deal with
as president. He could also end up being viewed as powerful
warmongerer. It is a time where he is more hotheaded than usual
(Secondary Progressed Mercury square Natal Mars and Secondary Mars
contraparallel Natal Mercury - a double focus Mercury-Mars secondary
progression)

Possible health problems too with transiting Saturn in his 12th
opposing his Saturn in 6th and transiting Pluto in his 3rd square
his Mercury in 12th. There is a definitely a possibility of an age-
related mental health crisis. I am very concerned that his age and
possibly bad health will affect his work and his judgment.

I couldn't help noticing that transiting Eris is exactly(0 minutes of
arc) sesquiquadrate to his Sun on Election Day which indicates a time
of controversy and discord which can also be connected to diversity
issues. This makes sense,his election would prevent the historical
election of the first black president(in Obama's case,half black). I
certainly don't like the exact Saturn-Uranus opposition which is
accompanied by Saturn contraparallel Uranus(therefore Saturn-Uranus
eclipse) on Election Day. That seems like a lot of disruption and
tension.

Barack Obama

Enhancement Transits:

Transiting Chiron conjunct his Ascendant:
- a very helpful aspect when it comes to business;it is most helpful
in technology,entertainment,and inventions

Transiting Uranus contraparallel Neptune:
- good for business

Turbulent Transits:

Transiting Neptune quincunx Mars:
- a very,very bad aspect to have in any business chart. Creates
a "scorched Earth policy" and willingness to "cut off one's nose to
spite the face."

Transiting Pluto oppose Venus:
- trying to make money in this aspect's time is like trying to swim
up Niagara Falls; don't try to buck the odds. Almost no successful
company has this aspect.

Secondary Progressions:

SP Venus parallel Natal Neptune
This is a Super Aspect. There's money,money,money---usually lots of
it and often inherited. It is the aspect that is most indicative of
significant inheritances. It also signifies money from other long-
term sources,such as real estate,copywrights,and patents,and health-
related fields. This is also a Romance Aspect, with the native being
generally a highly romantic person and gentle person. The native is
very idealistic in love, wants to have only one lover, and is very
faithful. If you want to marry a millionaire, this is one of the
aspects to look for in your prospect; once you find one, we hope the
two of you have Romantic Super Linkages.

SP Neptune contraparallel Natal Uranus
- good for business

SP Venus conjunct/parallel SP Uranus (Venus-Uranus eclipse)
- A SUPER ASPECT; the native is often a famous beauty who is
photogenic,luminous,radiant,and glowing. There is a desire for
change, including change of loved ones and the ever-present desire
for excitement. This aspect appears often with swingers and those who
have married more than several times, and deserves to be called THE
FLING ASPECT. For a man,this is the aspect of the eternal bachelor.
For a woman, this indicates a girl who wants to have fun; and who is
adaptable,attractive,and often is very successful in the
entertainment industry, If the personal aspect is a turbulent angle,
the native's love resembles the end of bungee cord,and defines long
term as the weekend.
(This might indicate Obama's theme of change as well as his viewed as
a celebrity who is well-liked by celebrities....McCain did cast him
as the most famous celebrity in the world)

SP Mercury square SP Saturn:
- Most of the time,the native has the ability to focus attention on a
project and bring to bear scientific thinking; the native is
naturally inclined to the empirical ways of science, as opposed to
using intuitive skills or seeking spiritual guidance. The native
often has a disdain for arts and creative pursuits

SP Mars square SP Saturn:
- All personal aspects are helpful,but this one ranks near the bottom
of the list. It is helpful in providing above-average stamina and not
much else.

Conclusion: Obama is charismatic and has strong financial ability,
but he won't be elected due because of overall distrust. There can
be a perception that he can't handle the economy as well as being too
idealistic and naive. I believe that "cut off one's nose to spite
the face" applies more to a lot of people that will vote against
their best interest by voting against him.

I believe that John McCain will be the next president of the United
States.

John McCain has the advantage over Barack Obama because the transits
form better planetary geometry including a Super Cinderella Mystic
Triangle Transit as well as 2 Chiron Secondary Progression Aspects.
Barack Obama has only 2 enhancement transits including 1 Chiron
activation transit which Magi Society are good for overall success
when it comes to the public. Magi Society believes that Chiron is
important for noteworthiness and charisma which can help in politics
because it seems like these people can do no wrong even though they
could be corrupt. President Bush has Moon-Jupiter-Chiron
conjunction. He also has Jupiter parallel Chiron,and so he has a
Jupiter-Chiron eclipse(Jupiter conjunct/parallel Chiron).

aspect interpretations are from Magi Society's THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN
LOVE AND MONEY

Raymond

posted October 02, 2008 03:38 AM         

WRONG

natal Venus square Chiron:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some
interpretations: charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,
strong marriage and family orientation, a career involved with making
money, love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age and what
is a part of the New Age, money from marriage and family, money from
endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the
public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost
always in love with being in love and therefore always needs to be in
a love relationship, resulting in a tendency to fall in love easily.

posted October 02, 2008 04:24 AM         

Furthermore, Transiting Neptune forms a Super Cinderella Transit because it makes an enhancement transit to his Chiron even though it makes a clash aspect to his Venus. I wanted to make a correction that he doesn't have a bidirection quincunx transit of transiting Neptune to his natal Venus. He still has a Super Cinderella Transit because Transiting Neptune enchancement to his Chiron even though it makes a clash to his Venus.

the intepretation for
Neptune quincunx Venus clash
it is rare for a business or a deal to succeed in this aspect time,so don't try to buck the trend;it means loss of money over the long term and persistent losses. it creates money pit.

btw...a mystical triangle consists of 2 planets in trine, and a 3rd planet quincunx
1 planet and squares the 2nd planet

in McCain's case....Transiting Neptune trines his Chiron,and quincunxes his Venus which squares his Chiron

posted October 02, 2008 04:25 AM         

transiting Jupiter in Capricorn is forming a t-square with it

To me, that seems like self righteous conservativism as well as patriarchal religious issues in conflict with the conservative,patriotic nation and aggravating emotional biases,prejudices

Magi Society interprets Sun square Saturn:

Both the enhancement and the turbulent aspects are among the worst timres for anything to do with love and money; fortunately, they do not last long, so it is easy bide your time and bypass such aspects. Both aspects are a sign of self-destructiveness unique to the Saturn-Sun aspect. Marriages and businesses with any Sun-Saturn aspect are most likely to blow up from internal causes. This is singularly the worst aspect for any endeavor. Success can come, but at a great price and is rarely enduring. The more likely outcome is that Saturn somehow makes a relationship or business highly susceptible to disruptions and crises that are rooted primarily within.

Transiting Jupiter oppose USA's Sun
- very harmful in business charts, this aspect creates overspending and overexpansion, eventually leading to financial disaster

Transiting Jupiter square USA's Saturn
- no matter which planet is applying,this is bad, it creates immorality and failure and is not good for any chart
aka NUCLEAR CLASH Transit

so Transiting Jupiter has been forming a SUPER NUCLEAR CLASH TRANSIT T-square with USA's Sun square Saturn, and that indicate the big financial crisis that we are in right now.

I also wonder

if our founding fathers were into Astrology, why in the world did they sign the Declaration of Independence during a Sun square Saturn with retrograde Mercury going on?

They certainly didn't know about Pluto. USA has retrograde Mercury in Cancer oppose Pluto in Capricorn which seems to me trust issues that connected to domestic things,authority,government,conspiracy theories....afflicted Cancer planets could indicate possible emotional biases,prejudices.
The truth is the Declaration of Independence was not written for everybody in mind.
Transiting Pluto is contraparalleling Mercury right now,and that adds to the issues of the natal aspect.

I couldn't help noticing USA has Mars square Neptune which fits transiting Neptune quincunx Obama's Mars on Election Day
too bad the founding fathers didn't know about Neptune too!

Magi Society inteprets turbulent Mars-Neptune as a very,very bad aspect to have in any business chart. creates "scorched earth" policy and willingness to cut off one's nose to spite the face

that's what many Americans would be doing if they vote against their best interests by voting against Obama because of his race or perceived religion. That's what was said of some Hillary supporters who said that they would vote for McCain after Obama got the democratic nomination.

Transiting Neptune is trining USA's Mars
- helpful in Neptunian endeavors,but it has the side effect of overaggressiveness;it is better not to have it
(this could pertain to the War in Iraq, and the finances that involve that...but also the aggressive presidential election campaigning...especially...when it involves USA's economy

Transiting Chiron is trining USA's Saturn
- although there are a few successful businesses that have this aspect, we do not recommend it. It can help a business venture in Chiron areas, but there is a price to pay; the workplace of this business is not a happy environment, and employees are more likely to be disloyal
(seems appropriate for politicans not getting along during the financial crisis...especially partisan divisions)

Transiting Jupiter is contraparalleling USA's Sun
- corporations born under this aspect are very fair and generous employers,with the workplace being a great place to be because it is a sea of tranquility. Employees will be most loyal to businesses with this aspect,but try to add a Venus-and Pluto based Super Aspect as well
(seems like the time for teamwork...bipartisan teamwork to pass the bailout bill to help deal with the financial crisis)

Election Day's Aspects
Election Day transits to USA's Chart

Election Day's Jupiter trine Saturn forms a Mystic Triangle Clash Transit with USA's Chiron by Election Day's Jupiter squaring USA's Chiron and Election Day's Saturn quincunx Chiron for a HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT

Election Day's Jupiter trine USA's Saturn:
- if Saturn is not APPLYING toward Jupier, this is a helpful aspect. If Saturn is applying toward Jupiter,this aspect is a problem and you should make certain to avoid it any electional chart
(it's an applying aspect...so could be bad)

Election Day's Jupiter square USA's Chiron:
- although this aspect can provide power and success, there is an eventual downfall,making this the aspect of the Fallen Angel. Obviously,you do not want this aspect in a business chart.
(this seems to me that if McCain gets elected, there can be a feeling of success that will eventually turn into regret.....this could seem like USA's standing in the world could slip further down)

Election Day's Saturn quincunx USA's Chiron:
- this is one of the worst activations to have for business matters; avoid natalizing this aspect under any circumstances
aka THE HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT
(this could indicate a time of great disappointment for many as well as could significant problems that can plague the nation)

Election Day's Saturn square USA's Mars:
- harmful and must be avoided; a business begun under this aspect is very prone to internal strife and bickering among employees and partners. This is a sign of the workplace that resembles a battlefield
(this seems like there will be a lot of angry people after McCain gets elected. It also seem like there could end up being a lot of bickering in McCain's administration. Maybe McCain and Palin might end up disliking each other later on. Maybe McCain's administration will have problems with loyalty....it also seems like the warmonger aspect)

Symmetrical Planetary Geometry
Transiting Neptune forms a Yod with USA's Mercury sextile Neptune

Election Day's Neptune quincunx Mercury
- this seems like it could be bad for both finances and communications

Election Day's Neptune quincunx Neptune
- this seems like it could be bad for finances

Election Day's Jupiter contraparallel USA's Uranus
- A Super Aspect, this is one of the best aspects to have in a chart of a business that is involved in Uranian affairs,including entertainment,broadcasting,aerospace,and astrology.

Election Day

T-square of Venus square Saturn-Uranus opposition
- seems like a very bad financial time...and just a bad aspect for economy

Venus square Saturn
- not good for trying to make money because this aspect usually contracts money,and is intepreted as "contraction of money"

Venus square Uranus
- this aspect can produce streaks of profits and streaks of heavy losses,where ultimately the losses exceed the gains. Obviously,it is a not a good aspect for a business chart

Saturn oppose/contraparallel Uranus (Saturn-Uranus eclipse)
- a very bad aspect to have in a business chart,it is unsettling and persistently creates upheavals,both from within and through outside forces. Do not start a job or business during this aspect time.

Saturn quincunx Chiron
- - this is one of the worst activations to have for business matters; avoid natalizing this aspect under any circumstances
aka THE HEARTBREAK CLASH TRANSIT
(Election Day's Saturn quincunxes USA's Chiron too...this could indicate a time of great disappointment for many as well as could significant problems that can plague the nation)

Mars trine Uranus
- this aspect is very helpful, specifically for any endeavor that is ruled by Uranus and Mars, such as sportscasting,but not much else. You do not want this aspect if you want to stay put and not travel;interestingly enough,sportscasting requires constant travel

Mars square Neptune
- a very,very bad aspect to have in any business chart. creates a "scorched earth policy" and willingness to "cut off one's nose to spite the face"
(USA has the same exact aspect, Obama has transiting Neptune quincunx his Mars on Election Day......this seems like a strong possibility of many people voting against their best interests by voting against him)

Saturn quincunx Neptune
- a very bad aspect for any business chart, it reduces financial wherewithal,inhibits creativity,and shortens lifespan.
(This seems like a very bad thing for money,economy as well as could indicate healthcare issues)

Mars parallel Pluto
- a very helpful aspect to have in any business chart; it helps provide energy and drive needed for success. It also provides a special ability to be competitive in business

Interpretations from Magi Society's THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN LOVE AND MONEY

My Conclusion is this is a very bad day to hold an election,and it will lead to very bad results. The Presidential Election Results will be bad for the economy and we will be striving hard to be competitive as well as more focused on war.

posted October 02, 2008 12:04 PM         

I am really not sure if Bush will lose. What about the Election going
on during his Jupiter return? Transiting Jupiter will be parallel
Bush's Moon on Election Day with 2 minutes of arc, and that can mean
feeling fortunate. Transiting Pluto trine Bush's Venus with 54 minutes
of arc, and that seems like a time of charisma,charm,and power. Solar
Arc Venus conjunct natal Jupiter with 41 minutes of arc, and that
seems like a time of luxury and comfort.

During inauguration day, transiting Pluto will be trining his
Midheaven with 45 minutes of arc, and that seems like his career would
be empowered. Transiting Jupiter trine Uranus with 32 minutes of arc,
and that seems like popularity as well as luck that is sudden. Solar
Arc Venus conjunct natal Jupiter with 31 minutes of arc. Solar Arc
Midheaven conjunct Node with 15 minutes of arc, and that can mean the
ability to become part of functioning group of people.

In Magi Astrology. Bush has 2 Cinderella Transits - Transiting
Neptune is trining his Chiron and transiting Chiron is contraparallel
his Venus. Bush has Sun,Uranus,and Pluto in planetary synchronization
in declinations, and that is supposed to be good for both
politics,popularity,power,and big business. Sun parallel Uranus and
Sun parallel Pluto are enhancement aspects. He also has Jupiter trine
Uranus which can means expansive popularity and success at politics,
and its part of a triple conjunction trine for his Uranus is trine a
stellium of Moon,Jupiter,and Chiron. Moon conjunct Jupiter can mean
domestic success, and that could apply to success in his own country.
Now add Jupiter and Chiron, and you have fabulous public image too.
Add Uranus to the mix, you get success in politics due to fabulous
image in domestic area. Bush has 2 Jupiter-Chiron aspects. He has
Jupiter conjunct Chiron and Jupiter parallel Chiron, and that's a
planetary eclipse. That would add to the fabulous public image that
could greatly help him in politics. Bush has Saturn aspects to no
planets either.

John Kerry has a Cinderella Transit of transiting Venus parallel his
Chiron. He has no applying Pluto transits. Transiting Pluto is in
separating conjunction to his Sun with 1'56 orb, and transiting Pluto
is in separating opposition to his Moon with 3'05 separating. That has
very little influence. Transiting Jupiter parallel his MC with 8
minutes of arc. Interestingly, John Kerry has Cinderella aspect of
Chiron contraparallel Neptune, and he married Theresa Heinz who is a
multimillionaire. John Kerry has Pluto,Saturn,Mars,and Uranus
retrograde. I don't feel all those retrograde planets would be good
for taking a strong firm stand, and he also has Mercury square Neptune
with 1'10 orb. His Mercury squares his Neptune-MC conjunction. Bush
has no planets retrograde nor close hard Neptune aspects. He has Sun
square Neptune over 7 degree orb. That's about it. That's not much of
an influence.

I feel that Bush will win, but it will be a close race. Another thing
to keep in mind is that Bush's Sun conjuncts USA's Cancer Sun. All he
has to do is appeal to USA's sense of patriotism, and he could win.

No...I am not a conservative nor a Republican. I am just not one of
those wishful thinkers. I don't want Bush to be president. He's too
conservative and Bible Belt for my taste. I am a pantheistic
Universalist, and I would even say that I am a pagan. Let's face it.
I feel that there is more conservative people in USA than liberal
people, and that is why gay marriages are not legal in USA yet. If we
were truly a liberal country, gay marriages would be legal. In the
very beginning, this country was not based for liberty for all. The
Native Americans lost their own country and Blacks were slaves. Blacks
didn't get civil rights until 1964. They got civil rights thanks to
inspiration of the great Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr, a
Christian minister. John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were
instrumental too.

Raymond

posted October 02, 2008 12:54 PM         

the book, LOVE AND MONEY
hard aspects and easy aspects aren't interpreted differently.
they just give a personal aspect,and give the interpretation for that

from what I read, they said that all natal aspects are gifts. They don't view natal aspects like regular astrologers do.

page 61 of KEY TO SUCCESS IN LOVE AND MONEY by Magi Society

After an enormous amount of research, The Magi Society discovered that without exception, every aspect can provide the native with unusual talents and skills (if the native works hard to improve himself or herself). The Magi Society believes that all of us can use each and every natal aspect to help us obtain a special talent or skill, or we can be influenced by the presence of the planetary aspect in our birth chart. The choice is ours. Hitler was weak-willed in this regard, and he let his Venus-Mars aspect get the better of him, He could have harnessed the power of the aspect to provide him with a special talent, such as graceful bodily movements,money from sports,a beautiful body,and so on. But instead, he took the most undisciplined and immoral route and ended up with a love of war. This was his choice,not the stars.

for instance

page 298

they interpret

Chiron and Venus

Personal Aspect:
This is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect. Some interpretations:charismatic beauty,love of family and marriage,strong marriage and family orientation,a career involved with making money,love for the New Age and what is part of the New Age,money from marriage and family,money from endeavors that are ruled by Chiron and what has to do with the public, and a charismatic amount of money. The native is almost always in love and being in love and therefore always needs to be in a love relationship,resulting in tendency to fall in love easily.

That's all they interpreted for personal aspect under Chiron-Venus
they didn't differentiate as negative and positive aspects like they did with synastry(linkage and activation) and election aspect(enhancement and turbulent)

Well..the New Age stuff doesn't apply to him. He's definitely no charismatic beauty. But he is married to a multimillionaire heiresss, and that fits with Venus-Chiron. His wife's money helped finance his political career bigtime.

on their website:

Like Walter Payton, Gretsky was born with an unusually high number of Personal Aspects and every one of them is an astrological sign of a special ability. This means in general that the more Personal Aspects a person is born with, the more special talent and skills the person has. This is true no matter what the angle of the aspect is, even oppositions or squares.

(Many astrologers believe that Personal Aspects (natal aspects) that are formed by squares or oppositions are bad but our research shows that in the case of Personal Aspects, none are bad and every one of them is more like a Divine Gift of elevated talent. Every Personal Aspect is empowering and therefore, we think they must be gifts from Providence. But this is not the case for what we call HISTORIC ASPECTS. A Personal Aspect is an aspect that a person is born with but a Historic Aspect is an aspect that occurs in the chart of an event as opposed to a living being. With Historic Aspects, oppositions and squares are not good, just as Clashes are not good in CACs.)

posted October 02, 2008 01:06 PM         

Venus square Chiron is not a Cinderella Aspect(that's Neptune-Chiron), but it is a Super Aspect and the most significant Romance Aspect.

My point was that Venus square Chiron is not a bad aspect according to Magi Society's book, KEY TO LOVE AND MONEY

in the book, LOVE AND MONEY,

the personal aspects aren't differentiated into good and bad

they are just interpreted by the planets are in combination.
whether it's a conjunction,opposition,trine,quincunx,parallel,contraparallel, it still has the same interpretation.

it's in their book

it's on website:
on their website:

Like Walter Payton, Gretsky was born with an unusually high number of Personal Aspects and every one of them is an astrological sign of a special ability. This means in general that the more Personal Aspects a person is born with, the more special talent and skills the person has. This is true no matter what the angle of the aspect is, even oppositions or squares.

(Many astrologers believe that Personal Aspects (natal aspects) that are formed by squares or oppositions are bad but our research shows that in the case of Personal Aspects, none are bad and every one of them is more like a Divine Gift of elevated talent. Every Personal Aspect is empowering and therefore, we think they must be gifts from Providence. But this is not the case for what we call HISTORIC ASPECTS. A Personal Aspect is an aspect that a person is born with but a Historic Aspect is an aspect that occurs in the chart of an event as opposed to a living being. With Historic Aspects, oppositions and squares are not good, just as Clashes are not good in CACs.)

It is nice to know if you or someone else is especially talented, but it is great to know the type of special talent a person has. In Magi Astrology, you have the ability to analyze Personal Aspects so that you can actually tell what special talents someone has. Our example of this will be Franklin Delano Roosevelt. http://www.magiastrology.com/planetarygeometrysection.html

all aspects indicate potential talents....doesn't matter if it's an easy or hard angle

so according to their philosophy,
my hard aspects would indicate certain gifts
Moon square Neptune
Moon square Saturn
Moon quincunx Pluto
Sun quincunx Saturn

I also have Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune in declinations...so Mecury,Venus,Neptune,and Saturn in planetary synchronization in declinations,and Magi Society would say that indicates a significant talent.

my Sun,Moon,and Saturn form a 3 point planetary geometry. in this case,Magi Society calls a Mystic Triangle...they would say this indicate a significant talent

my Moon,Neptune,and Pluto forms a 3 point planetary geometry...they would say that this indicates a significant talent

I have Moon,Saturn,Neptune t-square....they would say that this indicates a significant talent

remember..they view planetary geometry of 3 or more points as a significant talent

here is a Magi Society's example of a mystic triangle http://www.magiastrology.com/magi_blog/barry_bonds.htm

posted October 02, 2008 01:42 PM         

isn't saturn going or about to go thru mccain's 12th?? and isn't obama about to experience his jupiter return?

however i too have my doubts about the election itself. on top of everything else there will be a void of course moon, on inauguration day as well...

posted October 02, 2008 01:55 PM         

venus square chiron is not a romance aspect...
venus conjunct/trine/quincunx chiron is!

If i'm wrong then of course l will accept it but l have been studying Magi Astrology for over 2 years now.

I know what a mystical triangle is.. l have one myself in both geo and helio... plus a mystical rectangle.

The mystical triangle is most potent when Chiron is at the apex of it...

Are you using Magi softwre here Glaucus cos the Magi software is different to Astro... are you aware of that?

posted October 02, 2008 02:17 PM         

Included that in my first post

"Possible health problems too with transiting Saturn in his 12th
opposing his Saturn in 6th and transiting Pluto in his 3rd square
his Mercury in 12th. There is a definitely a possibility of an age-
related mental health crisis. I am very concerned that his age and
possibly bad health will affect his work and his judgment"

Yeah...I sincerely hope that I am wrong. We don't need the continuation of Bush's policies.

Yeah...Sarah Palin would end up being our president!

GOD HELP US!

also Election Day chart and USA's transits on Election Day show that there is a strong possibility that it will be a very disappointing time for the nation,and there could possibly catastrophic results afterwards.

remember...USA has Sun square Saturn, and so very bad things can happen to the country. It shows a strong conservatism. The founding fathers should have waited a bit before signing the Declaration of Independence. USA has Mercury retrograde too. They didn't know about Mars square Neptune nor Mercury oppose Pluto because they didn't know about the outerplanets.USA has those aspects.

We are the most powerful and wealthy country on Earth,but we definitely have serious problems too.

posted October 02, 2008 02:28 PM         

online: the use of exclamation points and capital letters is considered shouting.

well...like I said

Magi Society says that all natal aspects show gifts..so it doesn't matter if it's square or a trine as long as it's an aspect within 3 degree orb and even better if it's part of geometrical configuration...even a t-square or grand cross. Therefore, my t-square would indicate a significant gift even though it's a stressful aspect configuration according to regular Astrology. However, in an election chart or say like the founding of a nation or business, it would very bad.

therefore, Venus square Chiron is a Romance Aspect and Super Aspect
but if it was in an election chart or the founding of a business, then Venus square Chiron would be bad...would definitely be bad for love and money.

I am using Solar Fire.

posted October 02, 2008 02:30 PM         

I only ask because they have changed their minds on LOTS of things... and l honestly don't think they don't differentiate between hard/soft aspects in natal chart anymore!

posted October 02, 2008 02:42 PM         

in the LOVE AND MONEY book, they didn't say that Saturn contraparallels were Saturn clashes but by 2000, they said that they are.

so now....all hard aspects on a certain day are bad in a natal and not just in an election chart? so they don't consider them gifts any more?

so now...all hard aspect configurations like t-squares,grand crossses on a certain day are bad in a natal and not just in an electional chart? so they don't consider them gifts any more?

could you please give me some verification of the changes that they made in regards to the aspects.

even if Venus square Chiron is a bad aspect
Transiting Neptune forms at least one positive aspect to that aspect...and its the trine to his Chiron even though it quincunxes his Venus.
In a synastry....if a person has Venus square Chiron,and Neptune forms at least one positive aspect...trine to Chiron...that's ROMANTIC SUPER LINKAGE

Did they change that rule too?

Man...I hope that they put out another book so they can address the changes.

I know that they are starting to using asteroids. I am well aware that they are saying that Juno is the most sexual planet and has to do with affairs.

I always thought Ceres was underrated even though it's a large asteroid. Now even the astronomers promoted it to dwarf planet and demoted Pluto to dwarf planet. They are both equals in Astronomy,classed as dwarf planets. Both are considered minor planets now. Pluto has a minor planet number like Ceres. Eris is also classed a dwarf planet and has a minor planet number. It's the largest dwarf planet and largest minor planet. So are MakeMake and Haumea which are the 3rd and 4th largest dwarf planets as well as 3rd and 4th largest minor planets.

Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion are very likely to be classed as dwarf planets.

I also wonder about Chiron's fellow Centaurs. There are over 40 centaurs now. Over 10 of them are named. there is a centaur named after Chiron's wife, Chariklo. I wonder if Chariklo might be significant in relationships...especially if involved in romance planets to form romance linkages or involved with another's aspect to form a romantic super linkage.

I am sure that they will add Eris to the mix too. It's Pluto's larger fellow kuiper belt object.

posted October 02, 2008 02:57 PM         

Personal Aspect: This provides the native with unusual ability to be a force against Judeo-Christian beliefs,morals,and family values, and against marriage as an institution. This aspect also gives the native an ability to dominate the destinies of others,for better or worse. The native very often has a desire and ability to destroy marriages and break up families, and is often against the free enterprise economic system, preferring socialism or communism. Because this is a Saturn aspect, a turbulent can result in conventionality. Especially in a woman, the turbulent Saturn-Chiron aspect is the SECLUSION ASPECT,with the native often living last decades without a loved one. If a person has this aspect,there is a greater need to be much more careful about any involvements, In any relationship of love, a Romance Super Linkage is required to offset this natal aspect. Please remember all other natal aspects must be taken into account when analying a chart, and there could be offsetting aspects.

yeah.....it doesn't differentiate until it gets past the word,communism. Even before that,the aspect seems bad any way regardless of the angle. hahahaha

McCain has a heliocentric grand cross of Mercury,Saturn,Neptune,and Chiron. if Magi Society says that all turbulent aspects that happen on day are bad in a natal chart now, then his grand cross would be considered bad. The thought of that is scary,with the grand cross that he has.EEEEEEK! HELP US! Even if the aspect configuration indicates a significant talent according to Magi Society said before, free will is the ultimate factor. I just don't think McCain is evolved enough too use that grand cross to benefit our nation. that is scary!

He is not for communism nor socicalism though. I don't think that he's a force against Judeo-Christian beliefs. He did dump his first wife to be with his wealthy current wife. I don't think that he's against marriage as an institution. As for being against morals and family values, I am not sure either. I don't know the man.
If we end up deeper in wars, many people will be be leaving their loved ones, and so he could be perceived as not carrying about people's marriages and families.

posted October 07, 2008 03:58 PM         

I found this very interesting

"The key element in their geometry is the how her triple conjunction
interacts with McCain's T-Square, which is his focus planetary
alignment. Her triple conjunction is positioned in such a way that it
trines his Chiron and quincunxes his Venus creating a combined
Cinderella Mystic Triangle. Combined Mystic Triangles are very
powerful bonding alignments, and by having a Cinderella Linkage as a
part of the Mystic Triangle there is a huge measure of compatibility
and shared fondness. This Mystic Triangle will be of great assistance
in their business relationship and will serve as a barrier to anyone
who tries to divide them."
http://www.makeagreatchoice.com/blog/index.php

I already mentioned how transiting Neptune will be trining McCain's
Chiron and quincunxing his Venus to form a Mystic Triangle on
Election Day in my Election Prediction Magi Astrology post. this
astrologer points out that Palin's Sun-Mars-Saturn also trines
McCain's Chiron and quincunx his Venus to form a Mystic Triangle. Of
course,transiting Neptune is conjuncting Palin's triple conjunction.
That means that transiting Neptune is aspecting their Cinderella
Mystic Triangle.

Raymond

http://www.makeagreatchoice.com/blog/index.php

posted October 08, 2008 11:17 PM         

I have been posting there.

I am Raymond Andrews.