posted October 07, 2008 10:51 AM         

Square Venus - Pluto

Negative aspect: A very strong passion but destructive, to be avoided if at all possible.

Sounds scary..but is it that bad? More potentially destructive than Venus conjunct Pluto? Do any of you have experience with the Venus square Pluto aspect in synastry..which one were you, and how did you view the relationship/how did it affect you?

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted October 07, 2008 11:15 AM         

Audience: ..
.. What happens if your Venus is in strong aspect to another person's Pluto ?

Liz.G: ..
.. The Pluto person is the one who will experience Plutonian feelings, and much depends on how they handle it. The Venus person embodies qualities of grace or charm or beauty which activate very powerful, intense emotions in the Pluto person. Pluto's intesity in turn is very attractive to the Venus person, who values it and finds it beautiful. So there is often a powerful sexual chemistry with this synastry combination, even if the aspect is a difficult one. But if the Pluto person is disconnected from these primitive emotions and therefore threatened by them, then there may be a power battle, because as i said before, Pluto will try to destroy whatever challenges its survival.

posted October 07, 2008 11:21 AM         

I'm Pluto CNJ Moon, he is Venus.

More creative than destructive, we've had two kids together.

posted October 07, 2008 02:37 PM         

But you know what? His own Venus squares Pluto natally...so there's some stuff there too. He was getting pummeled from both sides. I don't think he ever dealt with a lot of issues, so I think it *was* hard, especially for him, someone always wanting things to be easy.

To make it even creepier, my Black Lilith Moon conjunct his Venus and also, if I remember correctly, his Sun. She wasn't very kind to him, but his Saturn was pretty heavy-handed with me, which I guess makes us even !

It's a miracle we've had an amicable divorce. It must be the grace of our Venus sextiles and my Jupiter trining his Sun

posted October 19, 2008 07:35 AM         

Venus Opposed or Sqaure Pluto
"Pluto may be demanding and in some way impose on Venus, upsetting Venus's emotional stability. There could be problems kept secret until some event forces them to surface. Unrequited love is a possibility, and adjustments in your sexual relations could be necessary. Stress could be caused by difficulty in parenting children or quarrels about how to raise them, and the personal values of both of you may undergo strenous revision or reconstruction. Pluto should be very careful in dealing with Venus's gentler,more delicate,affectionate nature, and Venus must allow Pluto sufficient distance and space to be alone to meditate. Even so, you're bound to experience friction between you on occasion,which as always, will be less of a strain if you also share a number of harmonious aspects between other planets in your chart."

Interesting, reviewing past partner's chart patterns, I found that with the worst relationship I had Venus square Saturn. His Venus square my Saturn. I left. In my natal chart I have Venus conjunction Saturn. The abuse was his issue.

Ascendant Pisces
Sun libra cusp scorpio
Moon Capricorn
Venus Taurus
Saturn Taurus
Mars Aquarius

posted October 19, 2008 05:17 PM         

In the beginning, the pull was CRAZY strong. There was just something about him; I felt like I knew him already and we had some really GREAT times together. I felt peaceful around him and marveled at our marvelous chemistry.

Then, he started getting controlling and nit picking at me constantly about this and that. He wanted his way all the time and whatever he wanted, he wanted it NOW. He became extrememly nasty and seemed like he wanted to own all of me, including have all my money spent on him. Theres a thread on here about the end of our relationship, I think called something like i can't believe this just happened. I still can't believe that happened. It seems our relationship brought out the nastiest inside of him. When other people saw our synastry chart (this aspect in particular) they told me to run the other way. I wish I had, but the pull was so strong, I couldn't just walk away until I had had enough.

posted October 20, 2008 12:59 AM         

Here's a brief verse ( Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs) regarding these Venus-Pluto vibrations (Conjunct,Sextile or Trine)

posted October 20, 2008 01:23 PM         

So yeah, it aint all good

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted October 26, 2008 07:40 PM         

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But any strong contact to your Venus from another person's planets will make you much more aware of your own values, even if the process is stressful.

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Interesting, and especially true given my Venus is unaspected.

posted October 27, 2008 08:48 AM         

I don't have intense friendships, actually in my opinion there is nothing intense in my life but...

venus square pluto in natal chart by astro.com:

Venus Square Pluto
You have very strong feelings about people, and your friendships are emotionally intense, a characteristic that will become stronger as you get older. It is very important that you find out as much as possible about yourself, your needs, what you seek from other people and why you form relationships. And it is very important to have a good opinion of yourself. This aspect signifies that you will work out many of your most important psychological problems through your relationships with others. When something goes wrong between you and a loved one, it is because of changes that are occurring within you or mental impulses that you do not yet understand. You tend to act somewhat compulsively and to follow the voice of your unconscious mind rather than your reason. Some of the attachments you form may make little sense to you or anyone else. You may even choose friends who act destructively toward you. If this happens, it is only because you have a destructive attitude toward yourself. Your inner psychological drives may also push you into unpleasant situations that you want to get out of but seem unable to. That is why it is so important to understand yourself and not lose your perspective. You always have the choice of walking away from a situation; you aren't forced to be with anyone.
Some people who master the energies of this aspect turn around and act destructively toward others, just as they were treated badly. You should avoid that course because it will isolate you from others, and eventually you will be alone.

Interpretation by Robert Hand from "Youth Portrait", which is also an interesting read for grown-ups.

Venus Square Pluto
As a result of Venus square Pluto, you may find that your emotional life brings you more problems than satisfaction. What you want is often not what you need, so that as you strive to satisfy your desires you also have to endure suffering in some way.
You tend to give of yourself in order to get what you want and may even profess love for someone in order to enter a save relationship.
To demonstrate your worth you must learn to fulfill your responsibilities. Make sure that your conduct is above reproach so you can attract people for what you are.
You need to change your attitudes in order to significantly improve people's feelings about you. Do not make promises unless you intend to keep them. You are inclined to take when you should give, to make accusations without thinking, and to feel offended when your sincerity is challenged. Try to develop warmth, sincerity, and compassion.

posted October 27, 2008 09:00 AM         

In synastry charts, Pluto (transformation, also power, control) opposite (energy
is over-excited by) Venus (relationships) is a very challenging combination.
On the one hand, since it is an opposition, it indicates that the couple is on "opposite sides": one wants power and control, the other wants a relationship.
On the other hand, each person in the
synastry feels that they are being OVERpowered by the relationship,
that the relationship is a requirement that they both have to be in.