posted November 21, 2008 09:43 PM         

"is there an embarrassed smiley?"
do l need it right now?

posted November 21, 2008 09:48 PM         

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This was hilarious!
I am like rolling.
You all just ripped those lil charts up!
You guys are like Grand Trine my ass!

*two snaps in a circle*

lol

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LMAO! You're really funny.

posted November 21, 2008 09:48 PM         

And glad you like it. I aim to please you know!
*wink*

posted November 21, 2008 09:51 PM         

Good cos my mars just can't hack being rejected - especially by one of it's kind!

Where's your mercury, 1ruledbytheultimateruler?

posted November 21, 2008 09:53 PM         

an exact grand trine would have 3 corresponding opposition midpoint pictures

for example, Sun-Jupiter-Saturn Grand trine
would have corresponding opposition midpoint pictures of
Sun = Jupiter/Saturn
Jupiter = Sun/Saturn
Saturn = Sun/Jupiter

that's why an exact Grand Trine is so powerful. Also...has hard aspects in the midpoints configurations that gives it a great push to get them going as well as event-oriented. Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers believe that conjunctions,oppositions,squares,semisquares,sesquiquadrates are event oriented.

in your case

Sun in 7'43 Scorpio
Jupiter/Saturn midpoint in 5'52 Scorpio
(this is over 1 1/2 degree orb,and so it's too wide..some use no more than 1 degree orb too..because 1 degree orb is used for progressions and solar arcs which are used to time events..also cosmobiologists,uranian astrologers use 1 degree orb for transits for timing events)

Jupiter in 1'05 Cancer
Sun/Saturn midpoint in 9'11 Capricorn
(way too wide to be a midpoint picture)

Saturn in 10'39 Pisces
Sun/Jupiter in 4'24 Virgo
(way too wide to be a midpoint picture)

therefore you have no midpoint pictures which suggest that it is a very weak grand trine which is exactly a good thing for midpoint oppositions involving Saturn can indicate difficulty. I know somebody that has a grand trine with close orbs,and so she midpoint oppositions involving Saturn, and she has had a lot of difficulty in her life including depression and health problems.

so from a geometrical standpoint, you don't have a grand time. That's what the geometrically oriented astrologers including especially cosmobiologists,uranian astrologers,and magi astrologers would say.

but regular astrologers would say that you do have a grand trine because all 3 planets in the same element and the orbs of the aspects in the grand trine are within the orbs that regular astrologers use which are much wider than geometrically oriented astrologers use any way(they don't focus on zodiac signs/elements either). It would indicate ease and harmony but it wouldn't have a lot of push like a grand trine with a much tighter orb has with its corresponding opposition midpoint pictures and it wouldn't be event-oriented.

so I won't say that you don't have a Grand Trine. You definitely do from a Regular Astrology standpoint...especially when all 3 planets are in the same element within in the traditional orbs that astrologers use.

but geometrical astrologers would say that it's not a grand trine because the orbs are too wide with a correlation of no midpoint pictures.

btw....I am trying not to push my beliefs nor tell people that they don't have because it's all relative. After all,there are many astrological systems,methods. I try to stay away from the Eris trap of "you're right and I am wrong" That's why I didn't deny you have a grand trine.

I was only pointing out the geometry behind the grand trine.

posted November 21, 2008 10:26 PM         

from a harmonic standpoint

An exact grand trine would be appear as a very close conjunction of 3 planets in a 3rd harmonic chart.

If a person thinks that a person has a grand trine. The way to see if it has any power is to see if the 3 planets are conjunct within 10 degrees in the 3rd harmonic chart...some astrologers say 12 degrees.

also the trine within 1 degree is also a trinovile which is a 9th harmonic aspect.
1/3 of a circle is also 3/9 of a circle
so an exact grand trine would also be a close 9th harmonic triangle.
in the 9th harmonic chart, the planets would be in a close conjunction
also an exact grand trine would appear as conjunctions in many harmonic charts based on 3 ..6th harmonic,9th harmonic,12th harmonic,15th harmonic,18th harmonic,21st harmonic,24th harmonic,27th harmonic,30th harmonic, and so on,

in your case

in the 3rd harmonic chart:

Jupiter in 3'16 Capricorn
Sun in 23'09 Capricorn
(orbs are way too wide...so this suggests that the Sun trine Jupiter in 1st harmonic chart(the regular chart) is very weak

Saturn in 1'57 Aquarius
(the orb is close enough for a conjunction to Sun,and so the Sun trine Saturn is moderate in strength,but the orb is way too wide for a conjunction to Jupiter which suggests that the Jupiter trine Saturn in 1st harmonic chart(the regular chart) is too weak.

posted November 21, 2008 11:32 PM         

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Does anyone have an example of a grand trine, it seems like there is a bit a mix up going on

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It's actually very simple.

Introducing the FIRE grand trine:
Aries - Leo - Sag

The WATER grand trine:
Cancer - Scorpio - Pisces

The EARTH grand trine:
Capricorn - Taurus - Virgo

And..

The AIR grand trine:
Libra - Aquarius - Gemini

Basically if you have a planet in each sign of the same element, at the right degrees - you have a grand trine.
Sun at 10' Leo, Moon at 10' Aries and Saturn at 10' Sagittarius.. would form an *exact* grand trine in fire.

On the first page, in Scorp31's chart - there is a grand trine between - Jupiter in Cancer, Sun in Scorpio and Saturn in Pisces. That's what it looks like. A blue triangle.

posted November 21, 2008 11:43 PM         

This is a Grand Trine between:

Uranus at 4' Aquarius
Moon at 11' Gemini
Mars at 4' Libra

Again the orb isn't very close. It would be a "perfect" grand trine if the Moon was at 4' Gemini.

posted November 22, 2008 12:04 AM         

Uranus at 4' Aquarius
Moon at 11' Gemini
Mars at 4' Libra"

Moon/Uranus midpoint in 7'30 Aries
not even close to being opposition to Mars in 4'00 Libra

Mars/Uranus midpoint in 4'00 Sagittarius
not even close to being in opposition to Moon in 11'00 Gemini

Moon/Mars midpoint in 7'30 Leo
not even close to being in opposition to Uranus in 4'00 Aquarius

This grand trine has no corresponding opposition midpoint pictures, and so it suggests that it's a weak grand trine from a planetary geometrical standpoint...so not an event-oriented configuration

in regular Astrology, it's a grand trine because all 3 planets are in the same element and all aspects are within the orbs that regular astrologers use. It's a configuration of ease and harmony without the push that a much closer orbed grand trine would have with its corresponding midpoint oppositions.

posted November 22, 2008 12:25 AM         

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Sun.. Cancer

Moon.. Gemini

Mars.. Cancer

Mercury.. Cancer

Venus.. Leo

posted November 22, 2008 12:44 AM         

so HARD angles would appear to be the saving grace where trines are abundant. they give focus and tension to a chart that would otherwise probably indicate a lot of wasted talent and luck...maybe because venus is involved in their t-squares they have certainly never had everything laid out for them however with a bit of work they have been very successful at attaining their goals.

both these people have had a lot of luck, mind you, people are generous to them almost as a matter of course, and they are MULTI-talented. but the tsquares seem to push them to make stupid decisions which they then have to work REALLY hard to counteract. the result, in her father, is that despite crashing and burning a couple of times on the way he has built a hugely successful business and though still at it is now enjoying his other (many) talents and interests too..my daughter is still struggling with her fiery temperament (7 planets and ascendant in fire) but WHEN SHE SETS HER MIND to something, it gets done! and not by luck, by sheer will power!

posted November 22, 2008 12:46 AM         

EARTH GRAND TRINE OF VENUS,SATURN,AND PLUTO

as you see, it's very symmetrical
you can easily see each planet opposing the midpoints

Venus/Saturn in 1'18 Cancer
Pluto in 0'56 Capricorn is in opposition to it
PLUTO = VENUS/SATURN

Saturn/Pluto in 1'18 Scorpio
Venus in 0'55 Taurus is in opposition to it
VENUS = SATURN/PLUTO

Venus/Pluto in 0'56 Pisces
Saturn in 1'40 Virgo is in opposition to it
SATURN = VENUS/PLUTO

So with 3 midpoint configurations that involve oppositions, this grand trine has great push and is very event oriented

many cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers wouldn't be crazy about 3 midpoint configurations involving Saturn...especially in medical astrology
but is a powerful configuration.

astrologers that study the centaurs believe that Saturn/Pluto midpoint is Nessus-sensitive. That is that Saturn/Pluto has Nessus like energy.

Nessus was the centaur who used his blood to poison Heracles out of revenge for mortally wounding him with a poisoned arrow. Nessus seems to be about "bad blood" which can be figuratively or literally.

Nessus was the first heavenly body that astrologers recommended a name to astronomers and got accepted.
http://www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/Raising.htm

posted November 22, 2008 03:58 AM         

OneruledbyMars, I'm an Aries with Pisces Mercury also. I love it lol I love my detriment-ed (demented? lol) Mercury. The intuitive streak works for me

posted November 22, 2008 04:14 AM         

I am confused. what chart is actually the chart of a girl? The chart that I was referring to was the Venus-Saturn-Pluto grand trine.

in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, the aspects that are said to indicate events are the conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,andsesquiquadrate. Those are referred to as event-oriented aspects. They don't view trine and sextile as aspects indicating events. They see those as psychologically oriented.

As you see, they don't see hard aspects as challenging. Only the conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquiquadrate are used with midpoints.

The close orbed grand trine has 3 opposition midpoint configurations. that's why I referred to it as an event-oriented. That would indicate that events in a person's life that would likely occur that fit in with the nature of the planets that are in the close orbed grand trine with corresponding midpoint configurations when triggered by a transit.

If a grand trine was wide and had no corresponding midpoints, then it wouldn't be event-oriented. that means,that the grand trine wouldn't indicate an event

This is coming from a Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology standpoint. Those are event-oriented systems as well as based on mainly geometry and so a heavy focus on midpoints and close orbed aspects.

so it's very different from regular astrology

posted November 22, 2008 09:28 AM         

Yes the intuition, is nothing short of amazing. And I thinks its a life long journey, things seem to pour into your mind from every angle.Emotions, thoughts , ideas, creativity, but the your right the most powerful is your intuition and the dementia. LOL! Have you learned to put up boundaries yet CF?

posted November 22, 2008 01:37 PM         

Lara I'm not to sure either tho every chart that I have ever had run shows the water Grand Trine. It's lke Glaucus said in an earlier post "there are many astrological systems,methods".

posted November 22, 2008 02:30 PM         

his jupiter 3' virgo
my sun 5' taurus
his venus 5' capricorn