posted December 10, 2008 09:53 AM            

Let's Dance,
as your astrological tutor I will explain that because the outer planets are so far away, they "move slowly" as far as moving through each sign. This is why Crabby referred to them as "generational". So, the time of the birth chart isn't important when checking the outer planets. The ascendant changes every two hours or so and the moon changes every two days so the time is really important there... outer planets sometimes don't change for twenty years so the time with minutes isn't necessary usually for those.
That's probably why you changed the time data for every minute all day and still got the same Saturn sign. heehee haha astro newbie lol and tons of love hehe
Keep up the good work, woman! You'll understand the secret language in no time.

posted December 10, 2008 11:16 AM            

Well here is the thing, at first when I saw that our Mars squared each other, I wondered if that was why the sexual part has been taken away this time around. I am curious as to what we could have done in past lives.

OOHH. Update. So Sunday I hooked up with this guy that has liked me for a while, and I kind of had a thing for but wasnt sure, so I told him, you know, I kind of have a thing for you, but not sure. He said that that was fine with him, he just enjoyed spending time with me whether it was sexual or not. Well after a glass of wine for some reason, it got a little hott up in there. . Whatever the case. This was Sunday around noon time. The previous night me and Cancer boy spent all evening together with his friends, hangin out, had soooo much fun! Really we did.. Then at like 12:30 that night he invites one of his "girls" over. (the one I dislike the most of course). And then goes to bed early with her, at like 1:30 and we all stayed up until the 3. Then calls me the next morning (after I had hooked up with the new cutie boy) and says that he was sorry he went to bed so early, that he was tired and that he wanted to have sex. It was like a slap in the face. And my Aries Sun/Sag Moon kicked in and said, well we both must have been horny all week because I hooked with this guy that has had this thing with me for a while, he says that he is my soulmate, (which he does say, and I am like wouldnt that need to be a 2 way street), but then I am not sure he even knows what he is implying by saying it. But back to the story after i said that he got quiet and said I have to go. I said really, then he was silent for a moment and said no I dont have to go, so who is this guy. So I start to tell him a little bit. And I could feel him get mad. He then interrupts me and says I bringing a chainsaw over to your house,...I said shut up and told him I had to go. Which I did, plus his Pluto is conjunct his Moon exactly, in the 1st degree of Scorpio. I don't think I need to be near him when his thoughts get dark like that. So then he text me immediately, I am coming over with a chainsaw. I said Be nice! And then he said what if I did. I said you are crazy, but you're not stupid!.. Then he said...Well....I want to. I said look I don't like him that much and I havent hooked up with anyone in a while, I was long over do. So then I didnt hear from him for like a day, which is odd for him. So then yesterday he started texting me all day with small talk. Then invites me over for a glass of wine around 4 and says we are not going to talk about ....(I cant remember I think it was like how terrible your day was or somethin). But I knew that he meant then that he was still mad at me, but he wanted to see me so he wanted me to come over. Don't ask me how I knew this, I just did. So then I said. I never have terrible days.(or something to that extent) Which honestly I don't. So it was the truth. He replies "Fine!", lol. So I go over and his roomate and his roomate's girlfriend are there. And they both love me and I love them, so we were socializing and then he comes in from outside. And I could tell he was happy to see me, but still mad. he gave me a very stiff hug. lol. So I start talking to Chelly (the girlfriend) and then we decide to go outside and sit by the pool because it was a pretty day. Well he comes out and decides to make a fire in the fire pit. Just him doing that at 4 oclock in the day is crazy, but...... Ok let me tell you what he does. He has two doors in his garage that he was going to make firewood for his pit and he was going to use the chainsaw for it he already told me this about 4 weeks ago. So Chelly and I are sitting there he comes back from the garage with a door, lays it down in the grass beside us. I ignored him because I was kind of ****** that he was still mad at me and I had done nothing wrong. Although I knew I had on another level. Anyway he goes and gets the chainsaw and cranks it up, and scares the snot out of Chelly and I. He brought it over like he was going to use it and he looked me dead in the eye, although I held his gaze, something in me knew he was capable of what he was thinking. So I kind walked away and let him put on his show of chopping up the door with a chainsaw. (mind you he has neighbors that are really close.) Then it got to be funny to me because we are in this really nice neighborhood and they were looking at us outside the window. It took all I had to not laugh, he kept coming over to me and saying do you like the way I use my chainsaw! And I was hitting him with a towel and yelling get that thing out of my face. It really was kind of funny if you were watching it from a different reality you know like if it were on your television set. Chelly of course gets completely wierded out and runs back into the house...... But anyway, finally he put it up and then decided he wanted to chop wood for the fire pit because he still had alot of "anger" to get out and starts splitting wood. So I went back over to the side of the pool where he couldnt see me and started reading. Well then he starts throwing peices of wood at me, he never hits me but he came close a couple of times. Then I feel his aggression subside. And he kind of calms down. And I asked him if he felt better. He said yes. I kept on reading and he came and sat down at the table beside me, and for some reason I love to sit with him at a table, isnt that wierd? lol Anyway I felt that he was in a mood to talk sooooo I looked up and I asked him why he liked being so destructive when he got angry. And he said he didnt know but every since he was small child he had always been destructive or had the need to be destructive..I then told him that his moon was conjunct pluto a planet of regeneration and rebirth, of constant building up and destroying only to rebuild again. He said what do you think that means. I said that you are always transcending reality but to do this you tear it down and rebuild yourself back up, and each time you are little different, and you have changed but you are not accepting it. There is nothing wrong with change. He didnt say anything for a while. And I knew I had said plenty. He goes I believe what you say about the moon (of course because he is a Cancer) I am very connected to it, but Pluto. Now thats something new.
lol
Whatever the case we ended up having so much fun together, we went to a spinning class together and then hung out that night.
I left a little earlier than normal but I was tired. And he had wore me out.
And he was sitting on the couch and he said remember the question you asked me along time ago. I said which one. He said you asked me if I was searching for my soulmate, or my twin flame. And I told you I didnt know. So I did some research. I think its my twin flame I am looking for. .......
I acted like his answer was normal and left. As I walked out he said be careful. And I will call you tomorrow, something he always says, but this time I really believed him.

But last night Mystic. I realized I really don't have to have sex with someone to have a connection. Our connection is more intense and more profound than any either of us have ever felt. And yet there is no sex. And both of us are ok with it. But something has to give. What is our outlet if our Mars are square.
I am learning so much from this man.......
I think I like him! lol

posted December 10, 2008 01:12 PM            

Denial... ain't just a river in Egypt, eh? What a frickin' doofus. I bet you were loving it when you got over being in fear for your life. lol Ok, back to your story...

posted December 10, 2008 01:25 PM            

and "I think I like him" LOfreakingL

O RLY???

Denial's getting deep around here.

I am SO happy my intuition was right for you two. It gives me faith in my own out-there crazy again. That's good. Yes, he is learning from you and you seem to be enjoying it. I guess you only have to regulate your expectations but as the brilliant Nosis said to me last night when I was soul pining over in the Cinquain thread in Wax...

"Either you can put the fire out by force or you can feed the fire until its own force puts itself out. The latter is what I've found to be the best method of dealing with my heart's pyromania. It is my suggestion to you in your time of burning."

Rock on

{Oh, and notice I totally overlook the whole chainsaw murderer flavor of the guy lol Leave to Aqua Mars... I've loved worse }

posted December 10, 2008 08:30 PM            

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...however, there’s something about those Saturn aspects that seem to force people to buckle down and work at the relationship rather than giving up at the first sign of discontent.

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posted December 10, 2008 10:10 PM            

I will have to go check out your thread and catch up with whats going on in your world!
I like Nosis' comment, your right about the brilliant part.
Thats one of my new favorite sayings, thanks for sharing it with me!

Sometimes when you examine things through this plane of reality, it really cracks me up to see how "odd" the circumstances are in our lives. All of us seem to have our own brand of "crazy" and I love it! But Uranus is conjunct my Ascendant, so I have an affinity for multidimensional things and craziness!

Nothing better than blazing your own trail and not knowing what the heck is going to happen in the end!

Thanks for listening, though.

And yes I must admit you were right about him.

Worst than the chainsaw incident? Really? lol I want to hear it! Start typin sista!

XOXO
Notice how I am ignoring your little denial comments.
Wait......if I write that does that mean I am still ignoring them?.......lol

posted February 07, 2009 04:02 PM              

Very useful info here! I'm going to check out that book. Sometimes I really wish I knew more about astrology than I do now. I'm still learning, but my access to the knowledge is limited at the moment. *sniff* I know I'll learn when the time is right.

posted February 09, 2009 04:03 PM            

ME:
Sun Opposition Saturn
Moon Trine Saturn
Moon Square Pluto
Mercury Opposition Saturn
Venus Square Pluto

HIM:
Moon Square Saturn
Moon Square Pluto
Venus Square Saturn
Venus Square Pluto
Saturn Sextile Neptune
Saturn Conjunction Pluto

SYNASTRY:
His Sun Square my Saturn
Venus Opposition Venus
My Saturn Square his Mars
My Jupiter Square his Saturn
My Mars Trine his Saturn

Seriously, is there no point in this? I mean, if I'm aware of these issues - shouldn't it be a chance for us to work it out? isn't that the whole point, to be tested and to learn and grow by accepting the challenges - and to hopefully overcome obstacles?
And yes, the feeling of karma is all over the place. But I'm like; I'll give up! BETTER LUCK NEXT LIFE, I don't care anymore, lol... heeeeeeelp
Oh, and to top it all off I'm having my Saturn return (conj natal Saturn) right effing now! it's so ridiculously heavy that I might just start laughing instead. Ha ha ha ha *crazy laughter* lol

posted February 10, 2009 05:17 PM              

The first time I cried, it was spontaneous and sweet and over a misunderstanding and he comforted me. But when he started turning cold and aloof (precisely after he'd told me he was falling in love with me when he was drunk as a skunk), his treatment got worse and would hurt my feelings. At first he would sit there uncomfortably and roll his eyes. Then, after the first couple times, he would just get up and leave the room like 'I'm not dealing with this, you're behaving like a child'. Didn't say it, but that was the deal. So he would just do whatever, pretending I wasn't even there. The first time he did that, I grabbed my coat, put on my shoes and opened the door to leave, and he just gave me this amused, surprised face like 'what's WRONG with you?'

I can't honestly say anyone with this aspect is 'doomed', because it's all about how mature the saturn person is, and how sensitive they are to the other party's feelings. This guy was doomed, because a) I knew he wasn't My One, even during the lust stage and b)he was all mixed up in his head to the point where even considering my feelings wasn't even on his emotional radar. It was all about him.

posted April 14, 2009 06:21 PM            

Does anyone know please how these synastry aspects would feel? Would there be an intense bond or more of a suffocating?

his saturn conjunct my AC (0)
his saturn square my sun (1)
his saturn square my juno (2)
his saturn square my karma (0)

my saturn trine his sun (5)
my saturn trine is mars (4)
my saturn trine his karma (3)

posted July 07, 2009 04:09 AM            

I thought I'd share my experience with a very Saturn relationship that only had one outstanding Saturn synastry aspect: Saturn conjunct Descendant. The composite had Saturn/Moon/Descendant conjunction. But there were a lotta lotta squares to personal planets, and we just couldn't get away. It might also be useful to note that his eros was opp my psyche, and my eros was opp his psyche. Hardly any Neptune at all, two sextiles to my Sun and Merc and that was it for that.

Anyway, several years ago I met a guy in high school. The second we met, there was a sort of "destined" quality (His Venus conjunct my Vertex and Pluto), like we needed to be together. Much later he told me when he first saw me he got an overwhelming protective feeling for me. The first year we remained friends even though he knew that I was in love with him. Restriction characterized our bond. I thought that was very odd... six months in everyone assumed we were dating anyway. We literally spent every day together. We were like an inseparable unit and an axis for all our mutual friends. On top of that, he would come on to me, but insisted that he didn't want to date me because he was planning on moving to Japan. Finally after a very tense moment when he almost kissed me but then receded and pretended nothing happened, I told him if he was going to act that way he better date me or stop it. Two days later we were an item officially. Then everything turned black. I'm going to leave out the gorey details... but suffice to say he became extremely cruel to the point where my best friend yelled at me to leave him or she would stop talking to me (she's an aries with aries moon haha.. and no she didn't stop talking to me). Later I found out the reason he did a 180 was out of his own confusion and frustration, because it turns out he is gay and hadn't faced up to it in his own mind yet. Of course there were signs, but somehow he fooled everyone, or we just played along with the game (that's why I'm surprised Neptune wasn't prominent either natally, in synastry or composite).

When he finally came out to me, we still had never once even kissed. It was an extremely transcendental moment when the truth came out (this part was likely the Pluto/Venus conjuction activated by a transit). The whole relationship up to that point felt like it was slowly eroding away at our hearts, but we couldn't bear to be without each other. There was always a barrier between us, and one night illustrated it so well, about a month before he came out:

We were in the kitchen late late at night, when all the demons come out. Again he acted very flirtatious, but any attempts to make physical contact would cause him to shrink back. Finally I asked him (we'd been dating for 8 months) why he acted like that. He became extremely uncomfortable. He said, "well I'm going to be leaving... I just don't want to hurt you." I was completely confused and frustrated, and said, "you ARE hurting me." He looked as if he'd been shot and pinned me against the counter, nearly crushing me, except somehow not touching me at all. His face was less than inch from mine, cheek to cheek, but I was so upset I didn't move, and he didn't move either. I told him I didn't understand why he was doing this, and he just said he was sorry and choked on his words. I just wanted him to TOUCH me. I started crying, and said I had to go. Again he was sure not to make physical contact as I moved away from the counter to leave, and I practically ran out the door to hide my tears. He ran after me as I got into my car, and through the window said that he loved me but I just drove away.

We had several instances of these dramatic (Comp. Sun in Leo conjunct IC haha) moments where there was something keeping us from truly being "one", even though we both wanted it so badly.

When he did come out to me, he was so afraid I'd leave that he asked me to marry him, and it took several weeks of assurance that I wasn't going to disown him before he took back his proposal. There was a lot of pain, yet we ended up moving in together! His family told him to move out when he told him he was gay, and I essentially became his surrogate mother for a few months until his own mother was ready to talk to him again. It was tormenting, but for some reason we couldn't get rid of each other until all of the emotional mess we created was ironed out. During one very lucid discussion, I got a sudden, gut-wrenching feeling that we'd known each other in some other life, like I wanted to say something that didn't mean anything to us but meant something from some other time. I can't explain it.

It was a HUGE growing experience. I didn't know that I could be so attached to a person, to love someone like that, through the nitty gritty, and to refuse to see the truth when it was staring me in the face. He said he'd never loved a woman as much either, and if he had been born straight he would want to spend the rest of his life with me. We've parted ways now, but we're both happy and call each other once in a while.

posted July 21, 2009 03:42 PM            

"his pluto conjunct my ascendant opposing my saturn creating a grand square"

and