posted January 24, 2004 01:52 PM              

her Mercury Trine his Saturn

her Mars Trine his Saturn

his Sun Trine her Saturn

and the sore spot - His Mars Opp my Saturn

But overall, I felt like I connected with this guy more than any other in my whole life - that he REALLY understood me.

I miss him so much...

.gloria

posted January 28, 2004 12:30 PM              

All in all, Saturn has a bit of an underserved bad rep in synastry. This is what Kevin had to say about Saturn in the "Ask Kevin" archives.

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I need to start off here by reminding everyone that any astrology book written before 1970 is almost certain to have nothing but bad things to say about Saturn. Many astrology books written in the past 30 years still have overwhelmingly negative and fatalistic interpretations, again, particularly when dealing with Saturn. This is not to say that Saturn is a particularly fun planet to deal with; however, we’ve all got Saturn in our charts, and we’ve all got to learn how to deal with it.

Saturn aspects in Synastry tend to have a very heavy, responsible, limiting energy to them, certainly. Stephen Arroyo feels that Saturn aspects in synastry are karmic, particularly when they involve one person’s Saturn to the other person’s personal planets. But here’s something that most books don’t mention: strong Saturn aspects are also extremely common in long-lasting relationships. This isn’t to say that if you don’t have Saturn connections in the synastry with your partner that the relationship won’t last; however, there’s something about those Saturn aspects that seem to force people to buckle down and work at the relationship rather than giving up at the first sign of discontent.

As with everything else, it comes down to the level of self-responsibility that each individual possesses. If you are comfortable with your own Saturn, then you’re probably not going to mind it if your partner’s Saturn falls in your 7th house.

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posted January 29, 2004 01:09 PM            

Arroyo says some of those 'hard' saturn aspects between two people are the strongest, they stick like Crazy Glue!

posted January 31, 2004 01:36 AM              

Jezzabel, yes, I'm seeing the same thing. The hard Saturn aspects are more common than the nice ones in long term relationships. I wonder why that is. Have we come to expect a certain level of anxiety or burden with a committed relationship? Because Saturn aspects can certainly deliver those.

Virgo dude and I have several (of the worst...)

My Saturn in 25:33 Aries closely squares his Mars in 25:06 Cancer, and his Venus in 29:09 Cancer.

His Saturn in 0:39 Pisces squares my Ascendant in 3:51 Saggie, and opposes my Venus in 28:48 Leo. (by aspect only, not sign)

posted January 31, 2004 03:07 PM              

but if, lets say, your planets aspect your partner`s Saturn and you stay in that relationship, obviously you have a personal identification with and a need for a structuring agent in your life or it would not have attracted his Saturn in first place (or vice versa).

The main restriction here with the saturn aspects, I read it once, would come when the planet person goes thru its period of rebellion against authority and seeks to be independant, whilst Saturn sits waiting for the phase to pass. The planet person however, can give saturn some rooom to play, loosen up a bit and be a child, if saturn is willing to let its walls down long enough to let that happen.

P.S. I know you have Venus/Saturn hard aspect in your synastry that is why I gave you those examples of couples having them too. Having a double Saturn aspect is kind of relief thou, it is balancing, unlike when only one of the partners gets affected by the other`s Saturn.

posted February 02, 2004 01:08 PM            

And you can call me Trilly anytime. :heasrt:

Oh, I do remember one tidbit, because it annoyed me to know this about my current love interest! Arroyo says that the person whose Saturn aspects the other person's personal planet, is the one teaching the lessons. The Saturn person is teaching life lessons to the other...

posted February 02, 2004 07:48 PM            

Saturn & Karma...
"the first thing to look at is Saturn. Whatever house someone's Saturn fallls in -in your own chart-always indicates an area of life where they can teach you some lessons. But those lessons can be extremely positive; you don't have to look at Saturn as a negative thing. It doesn't have to be a restrictive thing. Someone's Saturn in your 5th house can teach you how to enjoy yourself more."

"If someone's Saturn hits your personal planets or ascendant, especially the Asc., sun moon or venus, there's usually a strong attachment there. And by attachment, I mean that literally. It's not good or bad necessarily, it's just an attachment. There's some kind of security thing you have with that person. How it's often experienced is: the person whose Saturn hits your personal planet or Asc., has something 'over you,' Saturn is authority, right? Often at the beginning you feel you owe them something, or you respect them or look up to them. The Saturn person is the one doing the structuring. "

"Wherever Saturn falls in a house in a comparison, that's often where you have things to learn, where you'll be tested and challenged to define your approach to life in that area."

"One thing that really struck me was how many marriages have these Saturn aspects. Saturn-Venus or Saturn-Sun are the most common. And then Saturn and the Moon were second in quantity. And that they had very long lasting relationships, a lot had, in their comparisons, "hard" Saturn aspects."
The conjunction of Saturn to the Ascendant is very common in marriage comaprisons. It's a funny thing though, because attachment ismutual and goes both ways.

"Often the Saturn person will act like he or she is not attached. That person is the boss, that person has something 'over' the other person. And the 'underdog' in the situation will often feel like "oh I've got to work really hard to please this authority figure." But wait until there's some kind of crisis, or till the 'underdog' decides that he or she is sick of working so hard and threatens to leave. Then the Saturn person starts freaking out, becaus it's the person whose Saturn is involved in this aspect, in a comparison, whose security is tied up in the relationship, even more than the other person. It's a very complex aspect."

A specific case he speaks of:
One couple I remember, the husband's Saturn squared the wife's sun, and the wife's Saturn squared the husband's sun. They were miserable for years till she had the courage to leave him. Now, one Saturn aspect doesn't have to make you miserable, it depends on the rest of the comparison and on how you deal with it. But with a double whammy like this, I've never seen a happy relationship with that combination."

So that's a little bit of Arroyo on Saturn, does this help at all? It's really one of my favorite books of Astrology.

Now, if you don't mind a long post getting longer... ...here are the Saturn aspects of me and my Gem...

His 7th house Sat. conjunct my 9th house Sun
His Saturn trine my Asc.
His Sat. trine my 12th house Uranus
His Sat. square my Sat. (5th house)
His Sat. trine my North Node (2nd house)

My Saturn trine His Asc.
My Saturn trine his Plute & Uranus (12th house)
My Saturn falls in his 4th house
My Saturn sexile his Neptune (3rd)
My Saturn square his NN (7th)

posted February 02, 2004 08:42 PM              

I have found the best relationships are those with strong aspects to the ascendant.
That's Just my Opinion.

Natasha
Taurus
Cancer Moon

posted February 02, 2004 09:46 PM              

Also, what if 2 people's Saturns form a sextile aspect? Does that mean anything?

posted February 03, 2004 01:15 AM              

I'm gonna check that book out!

Thanks man...

.gloria

posted February 03, 2004 10:15 AM            

I'll have to look at the book when I get home and see if he says anything about the quincunx, lioneye. I can tell you this: even with a 3 degree orb, my Saturn makes a quincunx to my Gem's Venus and Sun. My 5th house, his 9th...and oh, how I can feel the pull. We've tried to walk away several times and just can't do it. I have heard before that the quincunx can be a mighty powerful aspect...so if you and he have one with Saturn and a personal planet or Asc. or Desc., I think that is a very strong bond.

posted February 03, 2004 01:07 PM            

Quincunx is 150 degrees....

posted February 03, 2004 02:37 PM            

Yes, they're both the same thing. Duh.
Gonna go scrape the egg from my face now! and find an aspirin...

posted February 04, 2004 09:34 AM            

And even if the quincunx has the power of the square...well, I'm with Arroyo and Jazzebelle, the squares and hard aspects are very often like Crazy Glue. And as you said, if there is a balance of harmonious aspects, that's all for the best.

Arroyo says that w/o friction, w/o problems, there's nothing to help a relationship grow.

Now, as for problems, like those that might be presented by Saturn...

posted February 04, 2004 09:57 AM            

My current love interest and I have the following Saturn aspects in Synastry...

Sun sextile Saturn
Moon sextile Saturn
Saturn trine Nep
Saturn opp Pluto

I feel some kind of karmic/past life connection with him. I felt from the start a connection, and I knew our relationship would last at least quite a while - I never felt like it would just fizzle out quickly.
I'm not saying that this is the biggest love of my life, but there is something deep going on here.