posted October 09, 2004 11:08 PM         

I'm 42 - oh shyte - I mean 43... (just had my birthday - but who's counting)... I don't look or act my age at all, and I'm subconsciously pushing the envelope to see how long I can get away with being curious about everything in life before I finally pick my boobs up off the floor and succumb to marriage.

I've no idea what my IQ or EQ is, and I don't want to know. There may be be a Q which hasn't been invented yet, and if so, I know there's one out there for which I have a high as heck score. How about a Me-Q? I know who I am, I accept myself unconditionally, and can be me very well, therefore, I have a high Me-Q ... and that's worth a lot.

Any biatching about being single and not finding "the one" - well - I can tolerate it because there hasn't been anything I haven't felt before when it comes to that. But I do warn of anyone becoming too much of what I like to term the "armchair feminist". As soon as a dame hints of being lonely, if that's the way she feels, we're all somehow conditioned to be like, "Love yourself ... blah blah blah" ... you know ... the whole rant.

And then we feel bad for having those feelings when those feelings are valid, and in order to understand them and get past them, you have to basically drown in them. You have to reach rock bottom before you see any hope above you.

Look - I've been going against my natural grain my entire life. My body was built to have many beautiful babies, and my mind was conditioned to succumb to a man's will. Those are tough things to fight, and sometimes, we fight too hard - we BECOME hardened, lacking in the soft approachable girl of any guy's dreams.

Why does my romantic life suck the big one? I have no idea. I just take it day by day, and the older I get (here's a tip ladies), the more I realize it's better to stop trying to "fix" oneself compulsively.

Oh where art thou my love? How I pray to thee and my angels every day of my life for my heart to be at peace.

posted October 10, 2004 02:32 AM         

GemNymph,

I don't know what to say to you, as it appears you already believe you know everything. Rather than point out your exaggerated misconceptions (which, to me, seem a little too much like projections of your own forlorn condition) one by one, I'll just say that I have no illusions about the next one being THE ONE. Nor do I expect "her" to be a perfect, infinitely resourceful, absolutely selfless cliche. As to the I.Q. remark, do not imagine that I am focused on the 96% people I may appear to have somewhat of an intellectual edge on, but on the 3% who do "out-smart" me. I do not, however, believe in affecting a fales modesty, and pretending like intelligence makes no significant difference, simply because it offends my "humility".

You have scarcely any idea of who you are talking to, yet you feel justified in unleashing this brutal, self-righteous invective. Well, at least, you were hypocritical enough to leave a disclaimer.

I know I shouldn't take your stoic opinions and your hard-nosed intimidation tactics personally. But I never could get used to being misunderstood. Say, do you know what happens when a person tries to lift themself up by their own bootstraps? Nothing.

1 Lo, mine eye hath seen all this, mine ear hath heard and understood it.
2 What ye know, the same do I know also: I am not inferior unto you.
3 Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.
4 But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.
5 O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom.

job 13

2 I have heard many such things: miserable comforters are ye all.
3 Shall vain words have an end? or what emboldeneth thee that thou answerest?
4 I also could speak as ye do: if your soul were in my soul's stead, I could heap up words against you, and shake mine head at you.
5 But I would strengthen you with my mouth, and the moving of my lips should asswage your grief.
6 Though I speak, my grief is not asswaged: and though I forbear, what am I eased?
7 But now he hath made me weary: thou hast made desolate all my company.

job 16

1 Then Job answered and said,
2 How long will ye vex my soul, and break me in pieces with words?
3 These ten times have ye reproached me: ye are not ashamed that ye make yourselves strange to me.
4 And be it indeed that I have erred, mine error remaineth with myself.

job 19

12 ... They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

matt 9:12

In the psychopathic temperament we have the emotionality which is the sine qua non of moral perception; we have the intensity and tendency to emphasis which are the essence of practical moral vigor; and we have the love of metaphysics and mysticism which carry one's interests beyond the surface of the sensible world. What, then, is more natural than that this temperament should introduce one to regions of religious truth, to corners of the universe, which your robust Philistine type of nervous system, forever offering its biceps to be felt, thumping its breast, and thanking Heaven that it hasn't a single morbid fibre in its composition, would be sure to hide forever from its self-satisfied possessors?
If there were such a thing as inspiration from a higher realm, it might well be that the neurotic temperament would furnish the chief condition of the requisite receptivity. - William James

[Despair] is, one is told, the unforgivable sin, but it is a sin the corrupt or evil man never practices. He always has hope. He never reaches the freezing-point of knowing absolute failure. Only the man of goodwill carries always in his heart this capacity for damnation. - Graham Greene

The expectation that every neurotic phenomenon can be cured may, I suspect, be derived from the layman's belief that neuroses are something quite unnecessary which have no right whatever to exist. Whereas in fact they are severe, constitutionally fixed illnesses, which rarely restrict themselves to only a few attacks but persist as a rule over long periods throughout life. - Sigmund Freud

Anyone can criticize. It takes a true believer to be compassionate. No greater burden can be borne by an individual than to know no one cares or understands. - Arthur H. Stainback

It is the nature of the artist to mind excessively what is said about him. Literature is strewn with the wreckage of men who have minded beyond reason the opinions of others. - Virginia Woolfe

It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tossed upon the sea: a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle and the adventures thereof below. - Francis Bacon

With the joyous and the free, thou wilt scoff at pain. Spirit false! that hast forgot all but those who need thee not. - Percy Bysshe Shelley

Optimism is cruel. - Arthur Schopenhauer

There are people who can do all fine and heroic things but one: keep from telling their happiness to the unhappy. - Mark Twain

If you get hung up on everybody else's hang-ups, then the whole world's going to be nothing more than one huge gallows. - Richard Brautigan

Sincerely,
Stephen Wallace Coltin

posted October 10, 2004 03:39 AM         

Listen - I'm very much full of memories of being misunderstood, and to this very day. I don't mean by the Knowflakes here, they have been my saving grace during this time of my life. But in general, since I can remember basically, always misunderstood. I've had to divorce my entire family, including extended, because of it as well. So I know this pain because it is in my heart at this moment. It is the very worst.

Even if there was a gray area, seems people take bits & pieces of what you have to offer, then "see you later". It's black and white for me. I'm totally making myself the center of attention, or I'm hermit girl. At the same time, you cannot protect yourself 100% from people who do not understand you fully, therefore, I make it a priority in my life to do as much as I can with love. That way if they do take away a piece of you, it will be something having to do with love. They might not know the words right away, but they sort of get the rhythm.

Gem Nymph is just being a Gemini. She's been very insightful and helpful in her posts, although she is under the assumption most people can handle her thoughts. I really don't think she meant harm to you, but you must also remember how sensitive you are to this. Easier said than done, I know ... but ideally we are here to support each other, learn from each other, and understand each other.

I too have made it a goal to eliminate all "nonbelievers" from my life, and by that I mean, naysayer types. You're moving on, the nonbelievers are too busy not believing, and coming up with excuses.

You have every right to defend yourself to the degree you feel necessary. Have you always lacked significant acknowledgment for who you are, as in, something still embedded from childhood, because I know I do. That void will always be there, and I suppose, that is my neurosis.

.gloria

posted October 10, 2004 07:06 AM         

Are you aloof?

hell yes.

or
Are you too eager, in your quest to define yourself within how you love someone or in wanting to love someone?

yes. hell yes.

How do you think you come across...

Like a cross between puck (from a midsummer night's dream) and john the baptist.

Do you think you can alienate 'potentials' by either form?

hell yes.

posted October 10, 2004 07:29 AM         

Your reply was very eloquent and entertaining, and yes, it is a great consolation to know that I am not in fact as alone as I (temporarily) feel.

I admire your diplomacy; - it's a quality I prize highly in myself, and you encourage it by your example. For the life of me, I can never help myself from slipping in some ascerbic quips at the last minute. My conscience has been tormenting me ever since I typed that last smart-alecky remark to paras (which I feel I have no right to erase). As you can see above, I didn't exactly succeed in keeping my cool with GemNymph either. Of course, I'm still seething over her words - as I probably will be for years, - and I'm not entirely ready to feel remorse for whatever I may have said to her just yet.

I know - or think I know - the things you say all too well.... I know that truth is never here or there, but, always, in between things. It makes it difficult to be a participant when you're constantly paralyzed by your ability (willingness?) to see all sides (another earthhorse trait). Case in point: I am critical of every action, thought, and word I make, think, or speak. Everything is disproportionate. Everything is a prejudice. Now what?

"Love myself better than you. I know its wrong, so what should I do?"
- kurt cobain

thanks again for being.

hsc

ps. you sound swell. what are your birth stats, and are you at all busy for the next fifty years or so?

posted October 10, 2004 07:59 AM         

My heart goes out to you, as yours has gone out to mine. It sounds like you're dealing with some pretty serious "stuff" right now (and maybe you've always been). I truly hope you find someone worthy of you, who will understand you as you clearly deserve to be understood.

Remember, you've got plenty of time. 43 isn't old at all. Jeannine Garafalo is over 40, and she's still way cool (and cute as a button, too). And, anyway, time's not real. You know that.

Hey, where did i post that INFP thing? That's cool; you're one too! Less than 1% of the population, you know... but who's counting.

Okay, I'm gonna go stare at these angel cards ive got here and see if i can maybe convince myself that love is not a four-letter-word after all.

posted October 10, 2004 08:33 AM         

Yes, I have always lacked significant acknowledgment for who I am. My parents are a couple of serious WASPS (which, i guess, makes me the ugly larvae that eventually grows up to be a beautiful yellowjacket).

They start thinking thoughts of "hospitalization" if you even so much as raise your voice. And God forbid you should be sincerely passionate about something. Wouldnt want to attract attention to it, right?

okay..

I just had to delete a bunch of stuff I wrote about my parents... god, i hate thinking and talking about them in that way... it makes me feel guilty, because i love them and i know - oh, how well i know! - they are only human....

Suffice it to say that my mother (a virgo, born on the 1st) absolutely must find fault, or, else, she just doesn't feel like she's helping. Every story I wrote as a kid was too bloody, too "dark", too fat, too thin... I think I've always felt like I was auditioning for the part of the perfect (as in 'perfectly normal') son; a part I was not the least bit cut-out to play. My father is a real puppy dog; (the less I say about that, probably, the better).

I don't know....

a poem i wrote when i was 14:

poor me;
poor poor me;
a tear in trade for sympathy.
my puppy licks the salty drops.
no, not my mummy, nor my pops.
my cries are fierce, but no one sees.
poor poor poor poor poor poor me.

posted October 10, 2004 08:36 AM         

And they are not all "and they lived happily ever after" stories, either.

***********************

Posted by AJ:

Purp Scorp -
Sounds like you know from experience, is that true?

I'm glad you brought it up because it seems that is the current challenge with myself and my friend.

.gloria

*******************
Hey Gloria,

Um, yes, I'm speaking from experience here. I posted in this category a couple of weeks ago. I think the thread was called "What if your Soul Mate is Sleeping" (or it might have been ".....doesn't recognise you").

You may have read the thread but forgotten it. I wrote about all of this synchronicity. Names, dates, astrological comparisons etc. etc. etc. There were like 15-20 synchronistic parallels. The most interesting may have been that I have the same first name as his ex-wife.

I met him through an internet dating website about five months ago. From the moment I saw his profile, I felt a really strong pull toward him. I'd received like over 100 responses but I only wanted to meet him. I just had to meet him. Anyhow, he lived two states away so it wasn't an easy exercise meeting. We exchanged emails and telephone calls for ages. Then, I met him face-to-face about three weeks ago.

He could not have been more "perfect" so to speak (though he did have some faults - I wasn't completed blinded).

We spent 24 hrs together - the most part of it was really beautiful. I remember looking deeply into his eyes at one stage and my soul just went off playing with his, remembering. At another point, I swear our table and chairs were lifted out of that place and stuck in a time warp somewhere. I felt like I was watching myself, having an out of body experience.

Things took a turn, about two hours before we parted company. I'd asked him to bring some photos of his childhood/youth to share. He enthusiastically brought every photo he owned. The earlier photos were great, he was smiling and telling me about his friends. Then, he came to some of his ex wife and a house he was renovating and he got really upset when he was telling me about it. And being the curious Scorp, I probed where angels fear to tread. Evidently, he hasn't moved on. He's forgotten but not forgiven.

The next day, he sent me an email telling me he felt close to me on the Friday night and that I was a lovely person, but that he wouldn't be pursuing a relationship with me.

I've never had an experience like this before. Even though he didn't want to continue with me (which was hard to accept) I felt enriched by just having met him.

His birth date appears under mine as a Soul Mate. Also, I looked up my destiny on a website and it said I owed a 9 clubs a karmic debt and that I mirror him. I looked up his date/name and he is a 9 of clubs.

Now my problem will be that I will probably compare everyone that comes into my life now with him. Which is silly because I have no future with him. Though, that book that I mentioned earlier has heaps of stories where it has taken some people many years to reunite with a soul mate they'd met earlier. I'm not saying that will happen with him and me.

I have to say that in the search for a friend/lover/mate I vascillate between two different stages. One is trying to have faith in the Universe that the perfect person will be delivered to me at the perfect time. (And by perfect I mean just right for me.) And the second is - oh, maybe I should get out there and look. Oh, and there is a third, but what if I'm not meant to look. What if I'm meant to be found. Oh, and a fourth - that maybe I'm meant to be single forever.

I get annoyed with myself for switching camps all of the time. My friends have told me I'm picky but I'm really quite happy with myself and I'm not prepared to have a relationship just for the sake of having one. Hell, if I'd wanted that, I'd have stayed in my marriage.

Hmm, I really find this whole topic extremely interesting.

posted October 10, 2004 09:04 AM         

You gave me seven reasons for your obssession. The first six were:

quote:

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1. I am a Scorpio with an Aquarius Moon, Uranus Conjunct Sun/Venus/MC, and a Cap ascendent; most people can't - or would rather not - relate to me.

2. I am a highly self-destructive Scorpio, at that.

3. I am an Earth-Horse, in the Chinese Zodiac; Earth-Horses can seemingly survive on thin air, but are miserable without love.

4. I have Jupiter in Leo in the 7th house. The descriptions I have read of this are quick to point out that, a person with this placement loves passionately and can benefit immensely from partnerships.

5. Speaking of loving passionately, Note how Venus opperates in the above-stated Conjunction.

6. Gemini in the fifth and Mercury Conjunct Mars; Communication (on all levels) is essential for me.

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All astrological reasons. You blame the planets for your issues? Unwise, friend. You seem to forget that the goal of spiritual evolution (to which you pay lip-service) is to tune in to the Higher S-elf, and thus rise above the influence of the stars.

The last reason you gave me was:

quote:

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7. I have an I.Q. of 136; that alone eliminates 96% of the population as far as mates go; unless I want to be explaining myself all the time, which I do not.

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So, that eliminates 96% of the population for you, does it? Would these 96% be the "average joes" that "aren't obsessed with finding a soul-mate because he/she can find one just about anywhere"?

Your end-quote to every post is a scoff at the idea of judgement, yet here you sit in judgement of yourself as above 96% of the population. Including me:

quote:

---

Shall I go on, or is that enough to distinguish my life experience from your own?

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Heh. Shall I answer that question? Sure, why not? No, please do not go on, because it is quite more than enough to distinguish your life experience from mine. I don't expect anyone's life experience to be the same as mine. I'd say a good portion of that lower 96% of the population is smart enough to not make that mistake. And by the way... you somehow imply that your IQ is higher than mine... pray tell, how do you make such a judgement when you don't know what my IQ is???

Peace in the South Sea Islands

---------------
"Stephen Wallace Coltin III, Esq. is the antithesis of understanding."

posted October 10, 2004 09:47 AM         

I wasn't entirely sure if any of what you said was directed at me, but thank you astro junkie, for trying to clarify what I said. I wasn't boasting about anything- especially my IQ, I only said I was intelligent- I don't really have any idea what my IQ is. I don't place much more value on IQ than I do on the SAT's.

Your sharp Gemini tounge has caused my Cancer moon to go into submissive mode. But now my Jupiter bluntness must interject:

Please, do not sit on a throne of perception and tell me that it is "painfully obvious" why I haven't found my soul mate (yet). I was not whining. I am quite aware that now and then we all entertain the "poor me" and complain about our lack rather than our fullness. This is what I was pointing out.

And- please don't make this into a competition over who a.) is astrologically more apt to desire a soulmate, or b.) who has been loneliest, or single, the longest. These things mean nothing.

HSC: I'm 12/12/81, 10:57am, Carmel, NY. I may in fact be busy for the next 50 years pursuing my own personal enlightenment- but I'm always looking for travel companions!

posted October 10, 2004 09:59 AM         

That should clear up about a dozen of your objections, as they were all based on the same misreading of the text.

You're right.. that was foolish of me to exaggerate my point by saying that anyone with a lower I.Q. is too high maintanence. It is not true, and I ought to be more responsible with my thoughts, and how I express them.

But, do you really consider it pompous of me to quote myself, and to use my full name in so doing? I guess that's just a matter of opinion, but, for my part, I will advertise a good quote regardless of who spoke it; yes, even if it was me, and I end up being judged pompous (for righteousness' - no, not self-righteousness' - sake).

I ought to have known that as soon as I made it clear that that quote was mine (which I have not done more than a couple times), some purist would have to object that there positively must be a base motive involved. I confess. I was indeed trying to boost my pitiably low self-esteem by acknowledging in print the one or two things I have said in my life which I found worthy of remembrance.

"Forgive me this, my virtue;
for in the fatness of these pursy times
virtue itself must pardon beg of vice;
yay, curb and woo for leave to do him good."
- not me

Let's make clear what is meant by judgment.
Do you really think I am judging someone by admitting the existence of I.Q. discrepencies, and making the audacious statement that, in general, it is easier for me to relate to someone who is equally or more intelligent than myself? So, what would be judging? Judging would be if I took personal pride in that, and imagined that people are somehow to blame or credit for their I.Q.

If I say "you are lazy," that may very well be a fact. That is not the kind of judgment I'm referring to; which ought to be fairly clear. If, instead, I say, "it's you're own fault that you are lazy," then, I am making a morality claim with no evident basis in truth. I am suggesting that you consciously, and due to no inherent imperfection of your own, or of the natural world, choose to be lazy. This is just absurd. Such a choice must be the result of a pre-existing imperfection - one does not create oneself imperfect.

I understand that you have some sort of New Agey agenda, whereby you need to belive, and propagate the belief, that you have free will. That is not my understanding of the Hermetic principle of causation. It is my understanding (which, i grant you, is not infallible), that there are infinite levels of cause and effect... as you ascend in soveriegnty, do not imagine for a single instant that you have reached the summit; the first cause. When you are fully enlightened and all things proceed according to your whims - or your whims accord with the proceedings - then, perhaps, you might have some understanding of what free will really means.. till then it is just something you believe in theory (or pay lip-service to, if you prefer) while yet immersed in realm of the ego and the lower self. You see the things you have power over and you take personal credit (which you like to call responsibility) for them. At the same time you blame me for what you imagine to be my refusal to be what, "in reality", i am. I'm just agreeing with every credible mystic I've ever read the words of. We are pawns, my friend. And it is folly to think you move, when you are moved. Only one moves.

"Why callest thou me 'good'? Only God is good." - not me

But, why am i putting so much effort into this? You obviously just want a fight, and no doubt you'll do your best to misconstrue this post as well. Knock yourself out.

posted October 10, 2004 10:14 AM         

"I may in fact be busy for the next 50 years pursuing my own personal enlightenment- but I'm always looking for travel companions!"

- eightdegrees

"Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. don't walk infront of me, I may not follow. But walk beside me, and be my friend."
- Albert Camus

posted October 10, 2004 10:31 AM         

For the record, GemNymph just thinks generalzed harsh profiles of Scorpios fit all of us, so it isn't a personal thing. But you know, if we are offended by such words, it is simply because we are sensitive, over-reactive and ego-centric.. not because we are human and hearing overblown nasty things about *essentially* what we are here to tout the praises of.. Astrology.. you can't dispute it's relevance, as we are here, sharing about it... so in a way, we are categorized based upon drivel that has a small percentage of truth to it.
You are both well spoken and intelligent people. Also facts.... But for someone who goes on and on about how evil Scorpios are, I happened to notice in quite a few threads, the trend to categorize with a big slobbery label through hurtful generalized words.. and you know, I think THAT's pretty nasty. Honest? Mere opinion. Nasty? Hell yeah.
*sorry I used your thread as a rant.*

posted October 10, 2004 11:41 AM         

I also agree with PixelPixie that where there is a mind, there is doubt.

This whole thing about IQ's seems highly ridiculous to me, and as a matter of fact, the analytical mind can be it's own worst enemy. After years of therapy, and being told by every one of my therapists that I'd make a good therapist, do you know what the answer is? You know what thousands of dollars in therapy bought me? Here's the profound earth shaking answer - Stop analyzing. It's like playing against a video game, which is really playing against yourself - and when the game is over, you've not gained anything except a score. A number.

And you know what? "Political Correctness" is the most evil bill of goods this new generation has been sold. It infuses one with guilt, paralyzing them from further understanding and tuning into their primal intuitive instincts.

posted October 10, 2004 12:47 PM         

And the biggest fraud committed by the political "correctionists", is the notion that there is some quantifiable equality among people. As if we really needed an excuse to treat eachother fairly!!! How much more harm than good does the notion of equality (and free will, which is bound up with it) accomplish; we are all tried by a common standard, as if we were not individual 'knowflakes' at all; not subject each to his/her own unique concatenation of circumstances.

I had an intuitive breakthrough when I gave up looking for individual reasons to love and forgive people. That's a trap. There is no reason to love each other. There doesn't need to be.

Trust:

What is this passing, unresolved,
Now or never to devolve,
Never stopping for directions,
Busy asking busy questions;

Not to smell the scented flowers,
Where they sit upon the grass,
And wait for us in untold hours,
Who never stop, but hurry past?

This living death that never lived,
How came we thus, to call it dear,
When what we think we never know,
And who we are is never here?

Not once do we but dare resist,
The thought that we but do exist,
Yet, while our thinking thoughts persist,
Our whole existences are missed.

With every breath we breathe our last,
And every sigh is but a gasp,
For you yourself do you subvert
When you yourself you do assert.

So, let us not reflect ourselves,
Reflections are but empty cells;
But desperate-seeming moments quell,
When silent thoughts in silence dwell.

Abstraction though it truly be,
There's more than timber to a tree,
More meets the eye than we can see,
there's more than what is seen to be;

There's more to you and more to me;
We're more than we could ever be.
God must be more than just a "He",
There's too much possibility.

There's more to loving than to lust;
Far more about the breast than bust;-

And more to ashes, more to dust;
More to "may", and more to "must";
More to earth than just a crust,
But nothing more to truth than trust.

"The Babylon System is a vampire."
- robert nesta marley

posted October 11, 2004 01:26 AM         

It hadn't occurred to me that Janeane was also a Libra w/ Cancer Moon, although I ought to have remembered that from past experience. The only significant relationship I've been in (3 years), was with a Libra (10/21/78) w/ Cancer Moon (in the 6th), who 'happened' to be a big Garafalo fan; and at one point I was familiar with the 'coincidence'. Unfortunately, Oct. 21 also happens to be the day Judge Judy was brought into the world; and the similarities are equally binding. But enough about that....
Didn't know about Gwen, though. So, would that Scorpio be Gavin, from Bush; are they still 'an item'? She's a real firecracker, that one.

posted October 11, 2004 01:29 AM         

An inquisitive observation here is all.
To think that you may think twice next time before you share such candor so innocently is sad.

posted October 11, 2004 09:41 AM         

Now, Eleanor Roosevelt has all these in common with me -

Sun Libra
Moon Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Scorpio

From what I hear, no one messed with her ...

PS: Heart Shaped Cross - Gwen & Gavin have been happily married for a while now.

posted October 11, 2004 10:31 AM         

I was thinking the same thing.

Luckily for us, I've got enough childlike enthusiasm, trust, and naivette to suffer a lifetime of Gemini Nymphs (like dogs nipping at my pantlegs) and keep making an absolute Fool of myself.

eight,

I do a mean Ani DiFranco. It consists of talking real fast, stacato like, and hiccupping. LOL!!! I really don't like her. Sorry. Always been more of a P.J. Harvey type of guy.

By the way, what does your name signify (besides your lovely self)?

gloria,

Wow, Eleanor Roosevelt. I'm impressed.
I had no idea how appropriate your signature was.

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

posted October 11, 2004 11:04 AM         

Jeff Buckley is another, and he will be sorely missed. His mother was an opera singer, so he had an incredible ear for music and vocal range.