posted February 06, 2005 03:54 PM         

Yes, I could use your help...on the Moon-void thing...

Do you need places?

06/20/1966 and 06/12/1955

posted February 06, 2005 04:22 PM         

The times in the book are GMT (local time for Greenwich... So, London, for example...). Therefore, I would have to add one hour for Madrid (Spain). In Miami you would substract 5 hours to the markers Iīm giving you... and so on...

20 June 1966 – It entered Cancer at 1:05am on the 19th and exited at 2:23am on the 21st. It was void before the first marker and after the second one but I think you are pretty safe (unless you were born in the late hours of the day... Remember that you need to substract hours to get the local time in USA).

12 June 1955 – It entered Pisces at 8:32pm on the 11th and exited at 7:52pm on the 13th. It was void before the first marker and after the second one but I think he is safe as well (Remember to check the time zone and adjust the times).

posted February 06, 2005 05:15 PM         

RE-the other posting...sometimes a specific question gets answered by more people...ie-like your retrograde question. I have noticed that sometimes when people post a general plea for total synastry, not many people take the time to answer because it is so involved....just a thought!

posted February 06, 2005 07:24 PM         

Moon in Capricorn

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When somebody with the Moon in Capricorn starts being especially nice to you, always ask yourself “What do they want?” Might as well ask what a rabid crocodile wants when he licks his chops. The answer is the same in both cases. He wants blood.
(...) Itīs the ugliest Moon sign of the lot. This specimen believes that the world is such a harsh place that the means justify the ends (...) The most hideous effect they have on other people is this using capacity. (...) Why are these Moons so twisted? Mostly you can trace a cold, childish, selfish mother figure. Sometimes Mother died when the child was young. These people never got decent values or adequate emotional nurturing when they were children. They have lost their mothers in some way. Parents wanted them to push, push, push in society and never mind whose head you have to walk on to get at the Big Chance. Only when you become a Big Shot, says Mummy, will I love you. Is it any wonder so many successful famous people have the Moon in Capricorn? And that the rest of the Capricorn Moons live desperate, fearful lives of isolation and failure? A Capricorn Moon may seem to be better at something than you are, but this isnīt as likely as the cold fact that they want it worse than anyone. Adolf Hitler had this Moon.
Somewhere under that heart of cardboard is a conscience though. Capricorn Moons always unconsciously set themselves up to get cracked right in the teeth by their nasty ambitious boomerang. They always get clobbered badly, but you shouldnīt hold your breath waiting. Stop them in their tracks before they rip too many people off, including you.They have a wide circle of “friends” (whom they secretly consider to be their inferiors) to whom they groan about how depressing and hard life is. They donīt have time for your sad story, though (...).

All right, there is another side to Moon in Capricorn. Those black-dog depressions lead to not a little profundity, even wisdom. If you donīt mind waiting a couple of centuries for the buggers to trust you, they will reward you by acting loyal, hard-working, and responsible. (... )
These emotionally-guarded paranoids have a deep yearning for love, but theyīre not giving it away. You must earn it. When they fall in love, they give their hearts for life. Maybe their love goes deepest of all the signs, but theyīd rather show it in material ways. They want your slush, but theyīll be damned if they embarrass themselves showing their vulnerability...(...)
Once in a while you find a sweetie with Moon in Capricorn; then you can be sure youīre dealing with (...) an “Old Soul”.(...) youīre OK, sweethearts... but look out for the other, “Young Soul” types...

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It does resemble what he is like, especially in that period at University when he was lost in depressions, driving everybody crazy with worry about him... Avoiding human touch... People used to think if the problem was at home...

What kind of family has he got? Does he really feel so neglected? The conficts with the father figure raise in the Saturn retro... But then the Mother figure is threatened by both the Moon position (whether is void or Capricorn) and his retrograde Venus... I have heard before from a common friend that he was very pressurised by his parents to get a degree, as he always was so gifted as school and they were coming from a working class family where nobody had gone to University...
My uncle and auntie were friends of theirs and always talked about them as being nice people. My best friend talked to his mum on the phone several times and always said she was very pleasant and genuine...

Maybe all those retros made him take that long to realise I was important for him... Thatīs why he called me out of the blue so far off when that should had happened years earlier... That made him lose me... And maybe his Cappy Moon made me earn his trust... Maybe that long wait and the torture were part of the deal... I often said he was using me to stroke his ego. I never got anything back... But then he would confront me and moan and groan because he had had a bad cold and I never called him to ask how he was... He wasnīt dying! And why was I supposed to do it when he never showed any warmth towards me, when he had me forgotten and tortured with indiference... Why was I supposed to know when I had my own life at Uni and I was just that poor girl who had waited like a martyr for him for 9 years getting nothing in return? But he was waiting for my call...? ” These emotionally-guarded paranoids have a deep yearning for love, but theyīre not giving it away. You must earn it. When they fall in love, they give their hearts for life.” Funny, isnīt it...

posted February 06, 2005 11:56 PM         

lol ..I've seen that description before, I think it was in Astrology agessss ago. I have a Capricorn moon plus I have that Sun-Moon square cause of my sun yay lucky me.

But anyways I have never seen a bigger load of bs than that description, to put it nicely. It does not apply to me at all. The family part doesn't apply at all. My mum OMG she's my best friend. I was mainly brought up by my grandparents (who were actually pretty young and looked younger so they were more parent-age looking than my mum) but my mum was there very often (she was working and studying in a different town so I usually saw her on weekends). I loved them dearly as well and they were the sort of people who would've done absolutely anything for me. I always felt protected and loved and I actually, if anything, miss my childhood

With my dad I've always kept in contact with him but never been close, I don't have resentment, hate or dislike or any kind of negative emotions towards him.. nor can I say I have overly positive emotions either. It's somewhere in between, we have a mental connection, I could talk to him for hours he's an Aqua, but it's a lot more mental than emotional. Though I didn't miss a father figure growing up, I felt my granpa more than fit that role and was the exact type of father figure I needed.

The only bit in that whole description that's true is the ambition part. I am very ambitious career-wise but would never tread on anyone to get there. I'm a firm believer in getting things done yourself and working to achieve what you wanna achieve through your own abilities and not by putting others down or depending on them. Actually because Cappy moon gives people a sense of introversion emotionally, I think they'd be the least likely to admit they need something IF they need it and actually ask for help (obviously depends on other things in the chart to though)

What I really don't get with the Capricorn Moon phobia some astrologers have is, how is having your moon in an opposite sign to the one it's dignified (it might be called something else - I mean Cancer either way) in..any different to having your sun or any other planet in the opposite sign. The natural sign for the sun to be in is Leo..so does that make Aquas "despicable creatures"?

The bad thing about Cappy moon can be seeming cold or impersonal, when you're not actually, but may come accross that way ..maybe there's a fear of totally expressing emotion for someone until you're sure they feel the same way.

Soz for the long post, I hope some of this can apply to your guy Steelrose, I kinda went on a rampage...

posted February 07, 2005 09:34 AM         

Sorry about the harsh description, I got it from “Secrets From Stargazerīs Notebook” by Debbi Kempton-Smith... She is very good but I must admit she is a bit extreme in a few cases... Iīm a Saggi Moon and she describes us as big thoughless spenders, a bit looney, ruthless and childish... I think thatīs going too far... But many of the other things she says are true...

I must admit I got a bit scared... I donīt know any Cappy Moon, as far as Iīm aware... And I never got to know this guy very much... But I do believe he is not a user or a blood sucker... And he wouldnīt stand on anyone to get an undeserved merit. I think those are extreme statements taken out of context... Some Cappy Moons may be that way, but I suppose there should be other indicators in their chart... Maybe too much Cappy influence, I donīt know... My dad is a Cappy sun and heīs got a kind of streak, blind to the value of emotions, goal orientated, cold, negative and a bit paranoid...

Iīm glad you posted this, because the perception I have for you two have nothing to do with this... Now I can reassure myself of not being in front of a cold, selfish and paranoid half-psychopath...

I do think itīs true he needs you to earn his love... Heīll leave you in the cold, expecting nice gestures and patience, when he doesnīt give anything back... Until you earn it, and then heīll love you forever... Iīm a Virgo and I know about needing time to develop and show your feelings... My best friend, another Aries, always said he was a “decafeinated Aries”, too sensitive and emotionally introverted, less impulsive (She is a Leo rising, Aries Moon ).

Maybe that bit about putting too much importance into career success but then felt inadequate and unable to chase it, and yielded under his parentsī pressure (maybe) and abandoned his degree. He felt unworthy to be with me because I was so bright academically... Very Cappy, isnīt it? I suppose 5 retrogrades are not helping either...

posted February 08, 2005 01:04 PM         

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This individual could be more devotional, self-sacrificing, or merely passive and psychologically non-resistant than he shows himself to be on the surface. Yet he may also be more vulnerable to the harsher realities of his existence, since he is tempted to avoid direct confrontation with those preconceived ideals to which inwardly he adheres. There may be even more difficulty bringing visionary dreams down to a practical, workable level of functioning. Plus such dreams or visions may have little to do with the current circumstances of one's present life, but are more representative of past conditions that now represent 'unfinished business'. These subjective conditions, as intangible as they are, seem to have a strong emotional fascination for the individual.(by Bil Tierney)

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My Netpune is direct but is very powerful in my chart. Itīs conjunct with my Moon and Ascendant plus being situated in its natural house, the 12th... Iīm very dreamy myself. Iīve been told that Iīm under risk of idealising love too much and get very disappointed with my partners because of that strong Neptune... Therefore, being direct, I chase my dreams and tend to make them materialise... My Earth Sun (also Mercury and Chiron) helps me to get practical...

I bet we are good dreaming together... Actually, our interaction was always very platonic... with a tragic touch, like Romeo and Juliet story... Not real, like a dream or a fairytale... But maybe his incapacity to make them true will drive me mad...

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The tendency is to be trapped in over-idealized past situationsal experiences that offer little opportunity for new inner growth in this present incarnation. The individual needs to realize that all experiences of the past are best used to promote the inspiration needed to give deeper purpose to the affairs of the present, as well as to offer added enlightenment concerning the potentiality of the future. The individual here must not allow himself to be forever locked into some previous emotional pattern that leaves him psychologically immobilized.(by Bil Tierney)

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Is he trapped in the past? Is that why he still asks about me? Only for that reason?

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When mismanaged, the individual may express a martyr-like attitude, in which he may punish himself emotionally in order to atone for something troublesome that is now hidden in the depths of his unrealized past.(by Bil Tierney)

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Thatīs what I thought it was happening at University when he withdrew and start behaving like a ghost. Right after I cut him off... The dream had been shattered. But maybe he didnīt realise he started destroying it many years ago, with his indiference and emotional neglect, with his going-to-nowhere games...

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He knows what he needs but has difficulty finding it in the external world. Constantly living one dream after another, he often winds up running from imaginary shadows, while chasing unrealistic fantasies.

He sometimes makes the mistake of projecting past dreams into present situations.(by Martin Schulman)

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Is that what this situation is? He canīt cope with reality, can he?

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Falling in love with the idea of love becomes significant. (by Mohan Koparkar)

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posted February 09, 2005 10:56 AM         

My Uranus square His Saturn (1š orb)

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Saturn requires a certain amount of stability in life and can become shaken and disorganized by the Uranusīs occasional unexpected, shocking, unorthodox, and off-the wall behaviour. Uranus may view Saturn as cold, overly cautious, stern, and domineering. Then the planetary friction begins. But it isnīt present all the time, just now and then, on a bad day. You need to level with each other about your individual needs. Agree to allow mutual freedom of expression to be yourselves, and try to be tolerant of your different attitudes when they flash between you. Uranus isnīt really as dorky as Saturn sometimes believes, and Saturn isnīt as much of a stuffed potato as Uranus sometimes believes. Think of the bright side. Working out this vibration together will give you both a chance to mature emotionally and spiritually. Donīt you just hate preachy truisms when youīre annoyed?

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posted February 09, 2005 03:51 PM         

It is easy to get caught up in the aspects of someone's chart but it is more important to meet him as he is TODAY...where is he in this learning life-cycle of his?

Be careful not to pre-judge him too quickly based on these astrological aspects...I feel like it is too difficult to apply these to him now (vs 5 years ago...) based on the maturity that happens during those years. (Being so young). You have not connected with him and are trying to pre-guess how he will behave I believe...go meet with him!! Have fun! You will be fine!

GemStar

posted February 10, 2005 09:23 AM         

I know what you are saying... Iīll give him the chance no matter what Astrology says... But reading all this gets me prepared for any disappointment to come... It helps me to understand his reactions... And also to forgive and trust... But I donīt think this time will be different... Itīs written in the stars that our road is bumpy...We need a miracle...

I dreamt with him again last night... I donīt remember much, but I do remember it was in a disco... We were young again (I mean younger... 27 is young... I mean high school time) and I was very popular (for a change... He always was the popular one those days). I felt very self-confident... I was wearing a red dress that made me stand out. Everybody liked me... He was in a corner, looking at me intensely, half-smiling with embarrassment, too intimidated to approach... I was amused and glanced at him a few times but I didīt make a move... I was enjoying my position of power.

posted February 10, 2005 10:07 AM         

[MOON CONTRA-PARALLEL his SATURN]
SATURN CLASH. This is a very bad Saturn Clash-he is the Saturn Person. The normal result of this clash is that he is just not happy with you and tends to criticize almost everything you do. Usually, it does not take long before this would be unbearable for both of you.

[SATURN CONTRA-PARALLEL his URANUS]
SATURN CLASH. This clash is a problem for both of you. Relationships that have this clash rarely work out. He is a little better off than you are because he is the Saturn Person and can end the relationship more easily than you can. The biggest problem with this clash is that it makes both of you unhappy and dissatisfied with life in general, including this relationship, and pushes you both to make drastic and harmful changes.

OK-the declinations are counted in the summary of the number of clashes etc...that is why you see the two Uranus and Saturn clashes. Try not to let the wording scare you....it is just theory! AND, this is how they (Magi) write their ideas...definitely to the point!

It is really rare that couples do not have any or only one clash....you just want to have a balance somewhere-ie-not too many....that is why I double check all info against traditional astrology.

Nice Dream BTW!!

Also...when are you going to work a bit harder on your self-esteem?? Re-read what you wrote on the last post...start thinking a little more positively about yourself and dream of greater possibilities! EXPECT to win and believe in yourself...remember who you are and what your worth is!!!! That counts for something good in this life and remember this point!

Keep you chin high sister!!

posted February 10, 2005 11:53 AM         

Iīve been working on my self-steem since I decided to walk away from him... But itīs not a simple task.. It was shattered when I was a teenager for many years. Itīs almost unconscious... His presence makes me feel small, even when rationally I know Iīm in a better position than he is now. Iīm a fighter and Iīve won battles. Iīve conquered things. Iīve achieved, Iīve proven how capable and brave Iīm... He just lost and achieved nothing. But he makes me tremble...I was too young and wounds go very deep down...

I will do it. I will go there and face him... I owe that to myself. I need to get rid of that unfinished issue. Maybe itīs just myself getting paranoid about it what makes me dream of him. Maybe he has nothing to do with it. Maybe he doesnīt visit me in my dreams. Maybe he doesnīt even think of me... Maybe itīs just my unconscious flagging that pending task, pushing away to resolve that unfinished issue, wanting to unblock that fear and blocked energy.

I need to get brave enough first. Iīm working on it.

posted February 10, 2005 01:06 PM         

You are a very strong young lady and have a lot of energy that is moving in the right direction. Trust that giving your positive energy out into the world will bring even more back to you...it is just how energy seems to work!

Meet with him soon...I am sure you have always been in his thoughts...not just anyone moves us...maybe only a handful in our entire lifetime! I have yet to find a person with whom I have 'connected' with who did not have the same 'moving' feelings as I did! Once again...energy and kharma...magic of sorts...chemistry...etc. We all just like to have the validation that the other person thinks the same. However, not everyone is confident enough to trust their intuition and do something about it!

I am happy to see you giving yourself credit for all that you have done so far in your life...that should give you tremendous confidence!! Keep letting go of those 'old' feelings from him and the past that made you feel insecure...their 'expiration date' has long passed! LOL!! (New feelings around the corner-just go pick up a fresh batch and ask the universe for the 'good kind' of feelings...!!)

Your man friend may need you now. You will discover that a lot of your fears are no longer and I think you will be in great shape to handle all that will come of this! Take it sloooooowwwww and don't pressure yourself as to him being 'the One' or not. One day at a Time my Dear Steelrose! Take care!

posted February 12, 2005 01:24 PM         

I know you say I should meet him... But are you so sure everything will be all right? Positive? I know you say Magi likes our synastry and all that, about that Cinderella aspect... But the most I look to our charts, the less compatible I think we are...

Iīm reading those 7 chapters of the Magi book... I read about Planetary Geometry... This, apparently, is more powerful and significant than individual aspects or placements... And we have TWO T_SQUARES! Not one but two...

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A couple that forms one (a T_Square) is likely to have a tumultuous relationship

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This pattern was present in the two devastating San Francisco earthquakes in 1906 and 1989... And we have two of them... No grand trines or other beneficial pattern... I truly think this is gonna be another disaster... If I do it, it will be as a way of getting rid of those haunting dreams... Iīll end up helping him, as I did before with that Scorp (the 1/Nov/1977 I mentioned...)... I met him to see where things went after that, and they went nowhere... Disappointing, really. I only set him free to go and get another girl and be happy... While I was left to cry his absence and my disappointment... Maybe itīs not such a good idea to go and see him after all...

posted February 12, 2005 02:22 PM         

I am not too 'up' on the T-square thing. Do you have any info that readily sums up it's meaning?

Well...what to say. Maybe the way to approach all of this is to close a door on your dreams of being with him-if only that. Maybe you are meant for this exploration and growth period for learning purposes...Maybe not analyze so much and go with the flow...I dunno.

Certainly I do not want you to be hurt again, however, feel that taking risks are part of Love. If you are not willing to risk having hurts, then what is the point? How will you ever know the Triumph of the risk taken and Won??

posted February 13, 2005 01:55 AM         

I'm sorry about how you feel right now. I hope you feel better.

As I see from what you have mentioned on this thread, I don't think you should give up on this possible soulmate. Thats my opinion, basically. Therefore, if you don't take the risk on making the move on meeting him, then you could miss out on a relationship which might work out well at the end.

I understand how you feel right now towards this man because I'm also feel the same way towards the man that I have mentioned on this board(See "Complicated situation regarding possible soulmate" first written by my friend, Scorpio0710. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001377.html I always keep on thinking of him and I can't stop. This feeling towards him is so intense that I can't let go. I love him like I am already familiar with him. Must be that karmic connection for sure. I'm sure that he feels the same way too since he always stares at me. Two days ago, he peeked over my cubicle and turned his head down and looked at me. As I lifted my head up and saw the top of his head, he quickly walked away. Last month, our friend had mentioned that he keeps on talking about me in good ways. To the point, it drove our friend crazy that he told us that we should get together after work and talk since he no longer could be in the middle of all this. Thats when I have asked the guy(boss) if we can go out for coffee after work but he never responded to my call/text message because of what he may be going through within himself. Some of my other friends have claimed that he really wants me bad but he's kinda my boss, which is making things difficult for the 2 of us..yadda, yadda,yadda. But at times, I say to myself that I need to relax because I don't want to get hurt at the end thinking that he might not be interested after all. Maybe I'm just being paranoid since I've been hurt and rejected many times in life regarding friendships/ being accepted socially overall. Anyway, I am NOT going to give up hope on my possible true love since we feel for each other. I have this feeling that me and him will finally make ends meet at the right place and time. Only time can tell. I leave everything to the Lord

posted February 13, 2005 03:30 PM         

Iīve been investigating the T-Square thing... And maybe something can be done...
You are so right... Love is about taking chances, itīs about fighting together to make each other happy... I suppose that I felt very disappointed and frightened, not just because of my teenager experiences with this guy, but also because I have recently ended a relationship which was based on my own sacrifice... And Iīm too tired to consider giving in considerabily... I just hoped next time was going to be less painful and stressful... I just wanted something that flew easily... And two T_Squares donīt forecast an easy relationship...

But itīs also true that stressful patterns sometimes (if they are well supported by harmonious ones) strenghten the relationship and make them more lasting, authentic and intense...

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I've also seen instances where a person with a very strong opposition (two or more planets conjunct, in opposition to another conjunction) falls in love with a person who has a major planet or planets t-squaring that opposition. Or a person with a strong square attracts someone with planets in opposition and square that configuration, again creating a t-square by cross-aspect.

... trines occurring more often in platonic friendships than in love/marriage relationships. A certain amount of friction is desirable (indeed, necessary on the physical level!) in sexual relationships.

There are apt to be many cross-aspects in the charts of lovers or marriage partners. Bear in mind that the "hard" aspects (squares and oppositions) do not always forebode great difficulties, nor are the "soft" aspects (sextiles and trines) always favorable. (by Jacquie Smith)

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So reading into the T-Square (also called T-Cross):

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Having a T-Cross is like sitting on a 3-legged chair. You know where the problem is, and that makes it easier to fix.
The way out of the potential problems that all those stress aspects can cause is indicated by the empty leg. After all, a T is like a cross with a missing piece. All you have to do is draw a line completing the cross and see the house and sign where it lands. That’s the area of your life where the solution can be found.

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The T-square is a difficult combination of aspects as it indicates the need to overcome many obstacles, but at the same time, it produces a strong driving ambition to do so. The tension and awareness created by the two planets in opposition must be resolved by the planet receiving the double square. This third planet becomes a focal point of much importance in your chart.The T-square causes a lot of difficulty in the life but they also spark action and the drive necessary to achieve. Living with the demands of a T-square can be very challenging, but when the energy of this configuration is well-directed by a mature individual, it often leads to significant accomplishments.

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I also found this interesting link: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html

Therefore, analysing our two T_Squares:

My Mars + His Pluto + His Venus where the focal point is my Mars (receiving both squares)
The T_Square is in cardinal signs, originating an exceptional dynamism and energy. All the tension created by his Venus and Pluto (probably unabling the flow of emotion or causing inhibition) will be channeled by my Mars (probably under the form of aggresion caused by frustration).

Possible solutions (closest sextiles or trines to any of the three planets involved):

My Mars sextile His Mercury (1š) – communication: he can calm my anger with words, expressing his feelings. My Mercury is trining his, so the communication flow is favoured, helping this option to work.
My Mars trine His Uranus (1š) – freedom and excitement, change: he can dilute the aggressive energy by providing excitement, which will burn it in a positive way. Also by trying to change.
His Pluto sextile My Neptune (1š) – dreams, true love: I can ease the blockage making him dream. True and lond-lasting love will soothe Pluto. Sex will be less raw and aggressive, as Pluto energy canalized by Mars will be sweetened by Neptune.
His Venus trine My Moon (3š) and My Neptune (1š) Again, my emotions and dreams can touch him and help his emotions flow and the expression of his love (his Venus blocked by Pluto, hiding his romantic feelings behind apparently insensitive sex.

The moral of the story for me appears to be “Donīt let Mars get angry and frustrated and work on unblocking his emotions, be patient and let him show you that he loves you” and for him “Make an effort to show her that you care, work on being tender. Tell her that you love her. Trust her and open up. When she gets angry is because you frustrate her and make her think you donīt love her, not because sheīs trying to hurt you”.

My Uranus + His Mercury + His Saturn where the focal point is his Saturn (receiving both squares)
The T-Square is in fixed signs, originating excesive stubbornness. All the tension created by my Uranus and his Mercury (we may irritate each other) will be channeled by his Saturn (probably making him behave in a cold, stern and hurtful way or becoming frustrated, disappointed and unhappy).

Possible solutions (closest sextiles or trines to any of the three planets involved):

His Mercury trine my Mercury (1š) – communication: we need to talk about what annoy us of each other, listen to each other.
His Saturn sextile My Pluto (3š) – transformation: we need to reinvent ourselves in order not to irritate each other, change little habits. I have the power (Pluto) to make him not become cold and harsh (Saturn).
His Saturn trine My Neptune (3š) – dreams, true love: I can ease the Saturn response making him dream. True and lond-lasting love will soothe Saturn.

The moral of the strory appears to be: “You can control his disappointment, you can avoid his harsh, inflexible and hurting behaviour by communicating with him and trying to avoid certain things that drive him nuts.”

posted February 13, 2005 04:36 PM         

Those positive aspects which you just listed I think that it will ease all the tension in your future relationship with your man. With easy, harmonious connections with mars, mercury, neptune and venus, I expect your relationship to endure many of the negative aspects between you and his charts. Most of all, if you 2 learn how to give genuine love and affection if you ever hit it off, it could dissipate any tension, whatsoever, in my opinion

There are some other positive connections that you might consider. Ladies, please correct me if I"m wrong

*venus trine, sextile, conjunct pluto*- Makes a karmic bond with you and your special someone. Love is profound and intense. Me and the man I keep always thinking of, my venus is trine his pluto(by 1 deg). That is why I feel this inexpressible connection to him.

*venus trine, sextile, conjunct neptune*- makes 2 people feel this special bond with each other. What I read it's also an ESP bond. with me and my special someone, i have this feeling of really wanting him in my life really bad.

Ladies
Also my venus sextiles my neptune, while it makes a sextile to my future mans neptune. Doe's that make that a strong romantic link??How about my venus trine my pluto, making that connection to his pluto?

Anyway, steelrose, I hope what I've written to you was helpful. Don't get me wrong, I'm trying my best to learn more about synastry in 2 charts and as I have said before, I hope anyone will correct me, while I'm going through this learning process. I don't want to mislead you. Talk to you later

Pam

posted February 14, 2005 08:40 PM         

Thank you for the T-square info...I will need to read up on it and study the info to figure it all out.

Take care-just wanted to say Hi! (And no, I haven't forgotton about you!)

posted February 15, 2005 10:36 AM         

Thanks Gem!!! I know you havenīt forgotten about me... How was you St Valentineīs day? I hope you had a lovely time with your Gemini-Pisces man... My day was average, no flowers or cards... But never mind, I have loads of St Valentineīs days to come... Letīs ensure they will be great next times... I was tempted to go and see him just because of the day, and then reconsidered... I donīt want to spoil it, I know yesterday wasnīt the right day... Iīll get ready first...

Do you think my analysis on the T-Squares for us is correct?

Thanks, Charmed Forever... I do have the same Neptune-Venus aspect than you... Itīs detailed in this thread under Conventional and Magi Astrology if you are interested. Itīs a Romantic Superlinkage as it is linked to your Neptune... In my case it was my Neptune and His Venus... The Venus-Pluto one under Magi is a Super Sexual linkage. I had a Pluto-Venus conjunction (4š orb) with that Scorp I mentioned and I did feel I knew him from before, from a previous life, but that doesnīt ensure we are meant to be... According to Gem, we had as well terrible signs of heartbreak...

Actually I did realised we are both number 1 people, which I also think will help... My previous boyfriend was a 2 and we never understood the basics of how we operated... You put it very well, we were in different wavelengths... The number of the Sun and the number of the Moon, the ego and the others, quite opposite really...

You gave me an idea... Letīs analise our karmic numbers! Those are the composite numbers of birth and name... My composite number of birth is 19 and his is 10 (the day we were born):

Number 10 – HIM: The Wheel of Fortune

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10 is symbolized by Isis and Osiris. A number of rise and fall, according to personal desire. (...) 10 is capable of arousing the extreme responses of love or hate – respect or fear. There is no middle ground between honor or dishonor. Every event is self-determined. (...) The power of manifesting creative concepts into reality is inherent, must be used with wisdom, since the power for absolute creation contains the polarity for absolute destruction. Self-discipline and infinite compassion must accompany the gift of the former to avoid the tragedy of the later. Discipline must precede Dominion. Unfortunately, some 10 people fail to realize their power potential, and consequently harbor deep-seated feelings of frustration, causing them to feel unfulfilled, and to occasionally behave in a somewhat proud and arrogant manner to cover such unnecessary feelings of inferiority.

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Number 19 – ME : The Prince of Heaven

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19 is one of the most fortunate and favorable of all Compound numbers. It is symbolized as the Sun, and it is called the Prince of Heaven because it indicates victory over all temporal failure and disappointment. It blesses the person or entity represented by it with all of the power of the Compound number 10, without the danger of abuse inherent in the 10. This number promises happiness and fulfillment – success in al ventures as well as in the personal life.

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Isnīt it curious? Doesnīt it sound as the same old song? He is a powerful soul but he doesnīt know and gets frustrated... And hides behind an arrogant mask to hide it (he used to do it). He needs to learn compassion to act wisely and canalise his power to overcome that unnecesary inferiority. I think that is what he has been doing, learning compassion... He has been so close to absolute destruction...

Maybe he came to learn that lesson of self-discipline, maybe thatīs the reason of all those retrogrades. Am I here to help him? I share the same power but I donīt have the risk to misuse it...

I always knew he was big. A big soul. A powerful thing full of potential. I knew instinctively. Thatīs why his displays of arrogance made me feel small... because I know he is big... Does he sense Iīm big too?

posted February 15, 2005 12:04 PM         

Glad to see that you are in a more positive mood then you were the last time you have posted. I'm sure you will have better Valentines Day's to come. Same for my end We all need to stay positive as the sun shines. Thanks for the analysis on those birthday names. Now I have more to learn too. Me and the man I have feelings for, we are both 4's in numerology. Our composite birthday number is 13 since we were both born on those days but on different months and years. No wonder why I feel this connection towards him but I want to detach my feelings from him for awhile since I want to take things slowly with him. Honestly, it's very hard for me to do so right now since I see him everyday and plus the feelings I have. It's a pain but I think I can manage through this. I don't want to get hurt at the end. If you have time on your hands, can you please give me a brief description on what our numbers mean. Thanks a bunch

Anyway, I hope that me and my possible future man are NOT in that heartbreak phase. I've been longing for love and friendship with the right someone for ages. Therefore, I never had a steady boyfriend in my life. Plus, I really do hope that he is the right one for me. I deserve the love and happiness that you do and it kinda made me sad last night, especially on Valentines Day thinking I don't have him and not knowing for sure if he really wants to make the move for me in the near future, especially, if I'm no longer working for the company. I go crazy thinking like is he still interested in me or not. I don't know since he has never made the move to let me know what is going on since he found out that I had feelings for him, too. However, all I need to do now is to take care of my self first, as well as you and our men themselves. Then when we feel that we are ready to make ends meet then the reward from all this would be fulfilling and triumphant. Thats what I think, whatsoever.

Love, peace, and harmony

posted February 15, 2005 12:18 PM         

With your man, he probably feels you that you may be better then he is that is probably why he never made the move to come up to you first to reunite. I dunno. With men, they tend to get shy or nervous around the women they love thinking in ways that we would be disappointed in them. Thats what I was told from a few friends of mine.

posted February 15, 2005 02:19 PM         

Number 13: Regeneration-Change

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13 is not an unlucky number, as many people believe. The ancients claimed that “he who understands how to use the number 13 will be given power and dominion.” The symbol of 13 is a skeleton, or death, with a scythe, reaping down men in a field of new-grown grass, where young faces and heads appear to be thrusting through the ground and emerging on all sides. 13 is a number of upheaval, so that new ground may be broken. Itīs associated with power, which, if used for selfish purpose, will bring destruction upon itself. There is a warning of the unknown and the unexpected. Adapting to change gracefully will bring out the strength of the 13 vibration, and decrease any potential for negative. 13 is associated with genius – also with explorers, breaking the orthodox and new discoveries of all kinds.

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You need to be careful because 13 reduces to 4. 4 is the number of chaos, a number of Fate or Karma together with 8. Careful because being two numbers 4, you become an 8 as an entity...

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(Number 4 or 8) has been chosen by the person (...) realizing that there are heavy karmic debts to be balanced, which have been delayed or procrastinated for too many lifetimes (...) to insure that these long overdue karmic obligations are faced and finally neutralized.

When 4 (...) is the birth number, care should be taken to avoid the numbers 4 and 8 in all other ways, such as address and phone numbers which add to a Compound number that can be reduced to the single 4 or 8 – and to avoid taking important action or planning significant events on dates equaling either of these two numbers, such as the 4th, 8th, 13th, 17th, 22nd, 26th or 31st. Most people can handle the 4 or 8 vibration alone. Itīs the combination of them – the doubling up and increasing the power of the 4 and the 8 that becomes powerfully fatalistic, and causes these unfortunate people to attract far more than their share of bad luck, losses, heratbreak and disappointment.

People whose birth number is 8 seem to be influenced by a more pronounced fatalistic vibration. They are more “children of Fate” than the 4 people. (...) The road to success is a hard one, strewn with obstacles. Although they often manage to rise to a position of high authority, it burdens them with stressful responsibilities, great anxiety, and long hours. 8 people not infrequently manage to accumulate wealth (in fact, the accumulation of wealth at some time in the life is a definite part of the 8th influence – depending on the position of Jupiter in the birth chart) – but the wealth may not bring any real or lasting happiness. In addition, 8 people are often required to pay too high a price for love, which almost unvariably brings with it suffering of some kind.

Under the law of magnetic attraction, 4 and 8 people seem to be irresistibly drawn together in all kinds of relationships: love, marriage, friendships and business associations – relatives and relatives by marriage. The combination cannot be called fortunate, at least not in a worldly sense, although itīs common for 4 and 8 people to demonstrate a deep devotion to one another (or one does, to an almost fanatical degree, even when the other doesnīt). “For better or worse”, especially during times of illness or other misfortune. Some of the greatest examples of self-sacrifice in history are found when 8 and 4 people marry. The most pronounced aspect about this combination in marriage is sacrifice of some kind. Yet, great good can come from such suffering; the couple can create unusually gifted children – or produce the legacy of classical music, poetry, memorable writing of books, plays and so forth.

They may not, however, be able to avoid all relationships with other 4 or 8 people, because most of these are karmic obligations which must be dealt with and balanced.

The 4-8 vibration is increased if the 8 person is a Sun Sign Capricorn or Aquarian, since 8 is the number of Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) and 4 is the number of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius).

(...) 4 people should not, under any circumstances, increase the power of the number 4, since a double 4 equals an 8. They should avoid, once again, the combination of this two numbers. And because an extra 4 here and there, along with the birth number of 4 (born on the 4th, 23th, 22nd or 31st) will bring by addition, the 8 influence to bear, creating the very combination the ancients warn to avoid.

According to the Chaldeans, the number 4 as a birth influence is not quite so heavy an influence as the birth number 8. People with 4 as a birth number will find that the 4th, 13th, 22nd and 31st days of the month are of major significance in both their business and personal affairs – sometimes in a negative sense, yet equally as often in a positive sense. Their own addresses and phone numbers and the like – and the dates of birth of people close to them (especially relatives, since the 4-8 combination greatly influences group family karma) will be 4īs or 8īs far more often than can be attributed to coincidence.

A rare few who have chosen the number 4 as the birth channel are illuminated souls who have erased past karma by balancing it in previous lives, and have incarnated in the present existence to “rescue” a Twin Self who has become – or in danger of becoming – a fallen angel. In such cases, the 4 vibration is chosen to aid in keeping this person onthe path of light, to lessen the temptation to form new, negative karma, thereby also becoming a fallen angel in the attempt to rescue the fallen other half of the Self.

In this instance, the 4 is an extremely protective influence – and in all other cases (which form the majority of the 4 people) the 4 is not so much to be dreaded as to be recognized as a helpful means to discipline oneīs self in the present incarnation, which is not a negative situation, but quite positive in a spiritual sense.

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Well that was all that typing... Iīm very sorry about the tough message... But I felt in the obligation of letting you know... You may be being polarized by the 4-8 attraction... If you are Twin Souls, you may be attracting each other to protect each other of becoming fallen angels... Maybe something went very wrong in your past lives... Maybe you need to go through the struggle of the combined 8 vibration, through the sacrifice... Numerology says yours will be a harsh test if you get together... But you may need to go through it...

posted February 15, 2005 02:35 PM         

Hopefully, if me and the guy I always think of ever get together in the future, I just hope things will go smoothly, pray for the best and learn from the experiences that occur. He may be my soulmate/twinsoul because of our positive venus/pluto connection and that, hopefully, that us meeting at work since I was hired in the company on November 2004(and him getting hired in June that same year) is an indication that we may need to protect each other from all the things that would cause the 2 of us to fall down. Why do I have feelings for him and for him having feelings for me in the begining? That says something that we have known each other in the past and maybe that we need to defend one another now. I don't know. What do you think?

GemStar, is it okay for you to help me out on this too??