posted July 07, 2007 10:44 AM         

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"North Node Conjunct Partner's Venus:
This is one of the best conjunctions for a love relationship. The North Node will get showered with lots of attention, affection, and perhaps even expensive gifts. The Venus person really loves you. It's the "soul mate" connection. This relationship may not always be a sexual one. It can represent a strong bond between parent and child or family and friends."

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posted July 07, 2007 10:54 AM           

Saturn on the SN is very karmic. . .

G.L.B: HI!
I understand that "feeling familiar" aspect. It's so great when it happens. For me, at times it's a feeling of NEW possibilities, other times, it's more unconscious, but it's like, "I have work to do here."

Here are the interpretations you asked about:

SN Conj Sun:
"The Sun person was likely an authority figure in another lifetime, possibly your father or a dominant parent. You owe this person something and must repay the karmic debt. There's a strong feeling of obligation. Be patient and happy to serve in any way you can. With this conjunction, you could be financially supportive of your partner."

SN CONJ Mercury:
"There may be difficulties in communication that are the result of past-life power struggles and quarrels. It's very likely this is a case of sibling rivalry at its finest, as this placement relates to brothers and sisters from a past life. The SN person may be afraid to speak his mind for fear of rejection or ridicule, as the Mercury person could be verbally abusive and arrogant."

I don't have an interpretation for Chiron, but see above post from cat71. I would agree with her on intuitive interpretations by taking the nature of the asteroid and the tendency of either node: NN moving onward and upward, and SN working out old karma, and the lessons that the other person is giving you an opportunity to work out. (?)

posted July 07, 2007 11:02 AM         

I had a lot of nodal connections with my ex-husband, mostly South Node, and when I found out what it meant it made a lot of sense. When we met, we were absolutely crazy about each other - we actually discussed marriage in our very first conversation. I told him one day he would make someone very very happy... not realizing that I would be the one that married him! He later told me that when he first saw me he thought "wow, that's the girl I'm going to marry!"... anyhow... we eloped 3 months after we met!

He's a Pisces and I'm an Aqua... my South node is in Pisces, conjunct his Sun, and his Nodal Axis sits along my Sun/Mars conjunction (his Sth Node) and my Jupiter is conjunct his North Node.

My experience with him is why I absolutely believe in love at first sight. I really believe what we had was karmically ordained and when we saw each other, we "recognized" one another.

We got divorced last year after 4 years of marriage, I just couldn't take anymore of his crap, sorry to say. He was very emotionally abusive, he had a really screwed up childhood. It took us 2 years to get divorced! He was like an emotional octopus I just could break free from. It was that cliche of the abuser constantly promising to change and then slowly reverting back.

I told him so many times... yes, we have a lot of problems, but the main one is... I just want you to be nice to me. If you could be nice to me without me threatening to leave every month, I'd have no problem working on the other things that need to be fixed between us, and I wouldn't mind making concessions for the things we can't fix.

He was just really really mean, almost all the time. Unless I threatened to leave. Then he'd be Prince Charming for a week or two.

posted July 07, 2007 11:14 AM           

I like that Linda Goodman refers to Saturn as the stern grandfather. He doles out the lessons, and it's not fun (he's no fun, the ole poop!), but in the end, you are left with the feeling of, "he REALLY and DEEPLY cares about me, and I needed that lesson. It helped me."

I totally agree with you on the intuitive side to astrology, and would do the same thing. I would take the energy of the asteroid, and look to which node it's aspecting. It will bring you along if it's hitting the NN, and it will have you working out old stuff if it's hitting the SN. Generally speaking.

I was sad to read about the relationship you had with your ex. I am always sad to see or hear of people harming one another. I'm a hot headed, scorpio with a very jealous streak for the one I love, and I feel awful when I get mad and say hurtful things to him.

That saturn hitting the SN, I actually share that aspect with my chiropractor! I'm the SN, he's the Saturn. My SN is in scorp. When I first met him, I FELT scorpionic energy. I wondered if it was his sun or moon, or even Mars. Turns out it's his Mars and Saturn. He is a very attractive man, 13 years older than I am. And there is energy there, electricity, that at first is quite exciting. It could be so easy to get into "trouble" with him, and take the relationship from dr/patient, to something more personal. HOWEVER, intuitively (even before I knew his chart)--I knew that if it went further, it would be hard work. I knew from the get go he's from my past, and I've had ENOUGH SN relationships. I really want to be done. It's all work.

I may have already typed this, but I'll put it here, because you mentioned it:

NN CONJ Partner's Mercury:
"You can learn a great deal from this person. There is good communication and lot of common interests. You two can talk about anything! The Mercury person will listen to your dreams and ideals and will offer good advice. The NN will feel protected."

Okay, the pluto one is the most intense. I am sending you alot of white light and a prayer, and I write this with alot of sensitivity, because it is a hard one to see.

SN CONJ Partner's Pluto:
"Pluto could be an enemy from a past life. There was a power struggle between you two that was never resolved. This connection sometimes represents intense sexual attraction, but also jealousy. Ther Pluto person may have harmed or even murdered the SN person in a previous life. Undoubtedly control issues have been brought over."

I, too, love karmic astrology. I believe that we are all here to get closer to pure love, pure and simple. It's not an easy road for most of us. . .
Take good care of yourself.
Astrid

posted July 07, 2007 11:36 AM         

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posted July 07, 2007 11:44 AM           

I am off to my son's baseball game, but I wanted to write you before I left.

*I understand that love at first sight feeling. I have had my most intense attractions to people who've aspected my NN or SN. I, too, had that experience with a man whose NN conj my Jupiter in Leo, and his sun, merc, venus and neptune conj my SN in in scorpio---3 of those planets (including venus) were all sitting in his 12th!

Because his venus sat ON TOP of my SN, and was also Rx, (I think I have already written this. . . I'm sorry), it was totally unrequited! It took me a VERY long time to get over him. And I don't think I ever will be totally over him.

His moon conj my mars, too.

Unfortunately, I do not have interpretations for the trines/sextiles to the nodes, only conjunctions. I think this is where the intuitive part comes in. If it is a trine/sextile to the NN, I would think that would be such a favorable aspect, any way you look at it. If it is a trine/sextile or the SN, again, coming from your past, it may hint that you were good to each other before, and your souls are working together again for higher good. I hope that helps a little. . .

Your SN CONJ Partner's Sun:
"The Sun person was likely an authority figure in another lifetime, possibly your father or a dominant parent. You owe this person something and must repay the karmic debt. There's a strong feeling of obligation. Bepatient and happy to serve in any way you can. With this conjunction, you could be financially supportive of your partner."

SN Conj Partner's Mercury:
"There may be difficulties in communication that are the result of past-life power struggles and quarrels. It's very likely this is a case of sibling rivalry at its finest, as this placement relates to brothers and sisters from a past life. The SN person may be afraid to speak his mind for fear of rejection or ridicule, as the Mercury person could be verbally abusive and arrogant."

NN ConJ Partner's Jupiter:
"This is a pleasant connection. From the Jupiter person, you gain spiritual wisdom, financial luck, and opportunity. You may travel with him or her to foreign or exotic locales. There is a feeling of hope and optimism about life when you are with this lover. Whatever it is the NN needs and wants, Jupiter has it."

Enjoy this beautiful day!
Astrid

posted July 07, 2007 12:21 PM           

First of all, thanx much
What is said about the Sun-S.Noth conjunction is simply very true. Yes, like you said "it's like, I have work to do here." Exactly what i feel,and also experience it. Im sure we shared past life together, but sth left unsolved, and now its time to make this. And, yes i think im the one who needs to repay sth to him, but still, he's the one who controlls me in a good way, like if sometimes i would not agree with him at first, after some time, it always turns out: he's right

i just simply love him sooo much

im also fascinated by everything related to past lives and karma... especially since my experiences with him.

Thanx again

posted July 07, 2007 06:47 PM           

That's kind of amazing, unfortunately I don't think the power struggle is resolved even now - 7 years on he (SN) still wants to control me (Pluto) and I'm like 'F**k off!' But I have to say when I saw him again after the 7 yr physical separation, it was VERY hard to resist him sexually, which surprised the heck out of me, considering all the abuse I thought I would be repulsed, but not so - I guess the Pluto link connection explains it. Thank God I don't have to see him anymore...

How bout this out of interest - the guy I like (love madly ) has his moon conj my daughter's NN - just interested what it says.
My mum's SN is conj. his Uranus

Strangely all my family have links wth his Nodes, but my Dad, Sister and Brother all have Vertex, MC/DC/IC and Karma/Pysche asteroid conjunctions weird!

posted July 07, 2007 08:17 PM           

His PLUTO(Libra 20 Deg.22'24")House 4
His ADONIS( Libra 20 Deg.1'37")House 4
His KARMA( Libra 22 Deg.43'38")House 4
My JUNO(Libra 24 Deg.15'33")House 5

His EROS is relatively close as well(Libra 17 Deg.53'11")

I've been "chewing this over" for some time now,trying to make some kind of sense of it all.So much energy in such a small space. I'd appreciate anyone else's input.(I know..this is off-topic,but anyway...)
House 4 is "family & home",house 5 is "children & creativity".Pluto is "profound transformation".Juno is something to do w/ "committed relationships".Karma,well,it's pretty obvious Karma has to do with balancing out past life experiences.Eros is "sexual attraction". And all this in Libra,the sign of eternal balance and justice.My gut feeling is that neither one of us "owes" the other anything from a past life,as far as mistreating each other.But perhaps one of us owes the other for some significant sacrificial event that occured.I think If one of us had mistreated the other in a past life,we would have SN connections,which we really have none.Plus it is said that you can tell your past life with someone(weather good or bad) by instinct alone.Like when you first meet if youu immediately like-or dislike-the other person.Past life exploration simply fascinates me!

posted July 08, 2007 07:47 PM         

Also, my North Node conjuncts his Sun and his Juno.

posted July 08, 2007 10:45 PM           

I went off to tend to my garden (my soulmate relationship, where I'm the SN) and now I'm relaxing back at home. ahhh.

The links Azalaksh put down are VERY good books. I have the retrograde and the nodes books, FANTASTIC. I also have "Karmic Relationships" by M. Shulman. I wonder if he is still alive (?). A few years ago, I emailed his publisher, asking if he was still alive. . . and I never rec'd a response. I just wanted to thank him for his beautiful body of work.

I MUST take a look at the other link about the nodes. I can never seem to find enough about them. THANKS so much, Azalaksh!

Girl L.B.:
It's so interesting to keep reading how people are responding to those interpretations of the node conj aspects. Most have been like yours, "makes sense." etc.

Intuitively, we feel it, it seems. I think the SN relationships can be challenging, but they do seem to help to balance the scales from the distant past. Everyone who's got the SN aspects, who have responded here, all say that they do feel the weight of it, but also that they love their partners dearly---or in Cat's case, that there is still a connection, and tension on different levels, even though there is more physical distance. Linda Goodman would be so proud of all the hard work we're doing!!

I just love how compassionate she was about our heavier relationships, and how she would instruct us in her loving manner, to make love the goal. with enough love, she would say, you can erase the karma.

That's so utterly cool. She also told us that, hey, maybe it's too tough this time, and we may need to put it off for this lifetime. That's okay too.

I, too, love reading and studying about past lives and karma. It's soooo fascinating!!!
take care!
Astrid

posted July 08, 2007 11:00 PM           

I hear you on the pluto/physical chemistry thing. Repulsion may NEVER come into play there, but it sounds like you stepped back, and protected yourself, in a sort of, "been there, done that" way. (?)
You know enough about the dynamics there. . .

Families. . . are their own little soul groups. They are very highly karmic. I am farily a rookie as far as my understanding of astrology goes, I got into it after finding someone I thought was my soulmate, and it was totally unrequited.

The more I dug, the more I learned, and it's so fascinating. Then I started to look at the charts of my immediate family! WOW! Amazing all the aspects. We've been together for a very long time, in different roles!

Even my son, whose venus sits in loose conj on my NN, also has an EXACT conjunction with his Saturn RIGHT on top of my moon.

That little turkey is MY teacher (?) hmpf. He would love to think so. lol. But, I humbly accept it--he is.

After my divorce, my lil son was only 2 at the time. We moved into a nice lil apartment. Suddenly, I kept having these recurring dreams about being this 14 y/old girl in a cabin on top of a mountain (think of the movie, Heidi) with this grumpy bearded man in a flannel shirt. He'd never let me out. We were hiding for our safety, but I didn't understand it at the time. Why was I being kept prisoner (or so it felt) in this little cabin on the mountain side?

I am convinced it was the soul who is now my son. I don't think he was my dad in those dreams, either. I think he may have been a relative, or just someone who took on the responsibility of my care, but I think I lost my parents.

Okay, here goes:

NN conj partner's moon:
"Emotionally, the Moon person makes you feel good. You can express yourself freely and feel safe with him. This person is like family and there's a deep sense of "belonging." The NN benefits from the Moon. This is on of the most harmonious connections."

SN Conj Partner's Uranus:
"An unusual relationship from a past lifetime could get you into trouble in this one. The union may be exciting and forbidden. It's not likely to lead to anything long term. Expect the unexpected as the Unanus person may create a real mess that you'll need to clean up. They bring problems and unpredictable crises."

hmmmm, interesting!!!
Take care,
Astrid

posted July 08, 2007 11:17 PM           

Where can one learn more about Juno, karma, adonis, ceres, etc? Do you have any recommendations/links?

"Love": In the article I'm quoting, I do not have any interpretations for aspects btw the nodes and other heavenly bodies, other than the planets, ASC and moon. I would suggest taking the meaning and energy of the asteroid, etc, and applying it to the energy of which node: example: NN=moving onward and upward in your journey and SN=reconciling the past with that soul.

for you and for imnaya13, you both needed this interpretation:

Your NN conj partner's SUN:
"This person will definitely be a blessing to you! You'll feel this relationship has much to offer. The Sun person shines light on the darkness in your life, supplies energy, and helps you along your path. This is one of the nicest connections to have."

It's time to turn in.
Sweet Dreams!

Astrid

posted July 09, 2007 03:48 PM           

I've read the above posts, and I'm wondering.....

Does this article mention anything about nodes conjuncting nodes? I recently met someone whose NN is exactly conjunct my SN (Pisces/Virgo). There was definitely a feeling of familarity when we met-- oddly so-- not an OMG! head over heels feeling of being in love, or anything like that. Just a strong sense of knowing each other. He's easy to talk to and we have a lot in common. Whether this relationship has legs or not is still TBD.

Also, according to our charts, his pluto is conjunct my SN, and his NN is widely conjunct my sun.

posted July 09, 2007 04:48 PM           

Thank you, Astrid, for posting the interpretations. I also have a book on these, in Romanian (translated from French ). I'm gonna translate the info in English and post it here, for an alternative interpretation (I hope you won't mind, Astrid). It is part of the things I always wanted to share here, but didn't have enough time to do it (I have some more goodies and I hope in time I will get to share all of them ~ and fulfill my Gemini NN & Karma lifepath ).
Before I begin, I must tell you that the author didn't give an interpretation for aspects involving the Nodes and Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, saying they are generational.
Enjoy!!!

From Pierre Lassalle – “Astrologie et relations humaines”

*Nodes in the same element (conjunction or trine) : the two people have the same karmic goal, which facilitates their understanding, because they have similar evolutionary paths.

*Nodes in complementary elements (sextile or opposition): these two people can get along and they can help each other evolve. This is especially true for the opposition.

*Nodes in incompatible elements or squared to each other: these two people have different life paths, which can make their relationship a delicate one. They can block each other and this can lead to a lot of frustration.

-Conjunctions to the South Node indicate mutual past life experiences. The planet is the one who owes the SN person and can dissolve the karma according to the nature of the planet and the house it rules.
-Conjunctions to the North Node mean common experiences that these two people must share in this lifetime. This is a positive karmic encounter or perhaps a first (important) meeting between the two. Generally, it is an indication for a relationship that will be continued in the next life.
-Sextiles and trines to the Nodes help the North Node person evolve.
-Squares to the Nodes push the Node person reconsider him/herself through the nature of the planet. The Node person must use the wisdom of the past (SN) to discover and understand the lesson the planet person is trying to teach, so that he can better his/her present and future (NN). Sometimes, this aspect is frustrating.

~Sun conjunct NN: it favors the mutual spiritual evolution. Strong attraction and mutual trust. Each one helps the other evolve. It indicates an excellent bond in this life and the next one.
~Sun conjunct SN: indicates a karmic duty from a previous life, which makes this relationship a difficult one, although the attraction is huge. The Sun can pay his/her duty accordingly to the house it rules. This relationship could be frustrating for the Sun.
~Moon conjunct NN: strong attraction and a possibility for union. The two stimulate each other’s emotions and create positive connections for their future lives together.
~Moon conjunct SN: previous familial or marital karmic ties who have been difficult on an emotional or daily basis. The Moon has a karmic duty towards the SN and he/she can pay it according to the house it rules.
Mercury conjunct NN: good intellectual understanding and common interests. These two people get along very well and can help each other in the areas ruled by Gemini and the house the NN is.
~Mercury conjunct SN: the South Node person must teach Mercury. Sometimes, they continue a previous student/teacher relationship from another lifetime. Mercury feels compelled to serve SN because of a duty he/she has from the past, which is indicated by the house it rules. Sometimes, this aspect can indicate a former relationship between siblings.
~Venus conjunct NN: favors union. Physical and sentimental attraction. Sincere affection and mutual trust. These people give a lot to each other and they harmonize very well. The activities they will share together are indicated by the house Venus rules and the one containing the NN in the other person’s chart. This aspect could also mean the possibility for union in a future life.
~Venus conjunct SN: this aspect is very indicative for a past life relationship that didn’t go very well. Venus has a karmic duty towards the SN. Even if they get together in this lifetime, the relationship will not last, because it belongs in the past. Venus will seduce the SN person and also pay his/her duty according to the house it rules.
~Mars conjunct the NN: very stimulating and attractive. Mars can help the NN to reach his/her goal. There is an amazing exchange of energy and a lot of passion between them. Mars will help NN to become more active, in the area ruled by Mars and the house NN is in.
~Mars conjunct SN: this can mean a very passionate relationship, filled with rivality and competition. Mars has a duty to the SN person, possibly made through violence. This aspect can indicate a past relationship between brothers, sportsmen, warriors or enemies. It is an aggressive aspect and it can be dissolved through the houses Mars rules.
~Jupiter conjunct NN: favorable exchanges and great mutual tolerance. The two people help each other grow, especially spiritually. It indicates trust, guidance, hopes realized together and protection. The two of them have similar ideals and spiritual beliefs. They will meet again in the future, to follow a common path.
~Jupiter conjunct SN: Jupiter will guide the SN so that he/she can become more assertive. Jupiter might bring favorable occasions for the SN’s growth, according to the house it rules, and in this way dissolves the karmic duty. Jupiter might have done an injustice to the SN person.
~Saturn conjunct NN: Saturn must teach the NN person the sense of duty, patience and responsibility. This aspect favors professional relationships. NN can help Saturn realize his/her ambitions, while Saturn can bring safety and a slow development (but stable) to the relationship – all according to the houses they are in or rule.
~Saturn conjunct SN: it might be that the South Node person asks too much of Saturn and they end up blocking each other. This is a frustrating aspect, but it can work favorably if the Saturn person is the guide or adviser of the SN. These two people have many lessons to teach each other about their past lives together and, more than anything, they should not limit each other in any way. The house Saturn rules will show how he/she can help SN.

posted July 09, 2007 05:20 PM           

"Venus conjunct NN: favors union. Physical and sentimental attraction. Sincere affection and mutual trust. These people give a lot to each other and they harmonize very well. The activities they will share together are indicated by the house Venus rules and the one containing the NN in the other person’s chart. This aspect could also mean the possibility for union in a future life."

Aaawww...I'm lovin that me & the Virgo have this aspect! But by "activities they will share together are indicated by the house Venus rules and the one containing the NN in the other person's chart",who does it mean?It's my NN & his Venus.

Venus rules my 12th(subconcious,intuitive ability...in Taurus) & 5th house(creativity,fertility,children...in Libra).Venus rules his 11th(friendship,social life...in Taurus) & 4th(home,nurturing,roots...in Libra).

The NN is in my 3rd house(communication,short journeys,writing...in Leo) & NN is in his 2nd house(money ,possessions...in Leo).

posted July 09, 2007 06:15 PM           

If it's your Venus - the house Venus rules (and I suggest you stick with 5th, I don't think Taurus will have Venus as a ruler for much longer) and the house his NN is in (in his chart).

Samee,

it said in the book that 10* orbs are accepted (even 15* orbs for aspects involving Sun and Moon). It is your choice if you want to consider it or not. Did you feel it? You might not like it, but if you felt it, I think you should consider it. I had that aspect, I didn't want to believe it, either. Still, it was true... the relationship belonged in the past.