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Azalaksh
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posted August 07, 2008 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bless you for sharing your adventures, Mel -- what a wonderful story And ~The End~ remains to be written
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you girls should KNOW that there are actual men out there like this! And by some astrological fated event, you can meet and interact with them!
I'm so happy for you that you encountered such a spirit May all of us reading here be so lucky someday

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Mel, I'm so happy for you!! I hope this works out. Sounds like a keeper.

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I had none of those annoying "I wonder if he is THE ONE!?" thoughts even step one toe into my thoughts the entire night. Quite liberating... actually.

Yes, I've been there for awhile now. Quite liberating.

Keep keeping us posted on further developents.

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MysticMelody
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posted August 07, 2008 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Charmaine I think the age issue becomes more pronounced the more I feel for him. When I was just thinking he was some slick hot guy that was going to use me for a one night stand, the age didn't matter. Now that I've felt an actual deeper connection it becomes more of a concern.
I'm overly cautious though... I worry about things before they reach the point where it is necessary to worry about them.

Sunshine how sweet is that... you are such a romantic.

Deux, you are right, of course... but I also remember how most "great" loves end in tragedy. Romeo Romeo... Oh, and don't forget Jack sinking frozen into the depths. hehe I don't know what I did in my last life but...

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posted August 07, 2008 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala, I had just been thinking that I should give up on love the night before. That I would never find anyone who I felt attracted to who felt the same attraction etc and I was bemoaning my age and station in life lol I think this at the very least is to remind me that there is still life and love ahead.

Oh, T, you misunderstood. My whole fabulous detachment was the night before... before he opened up his warm heart and let it's beauty shine on me. Now I seem to be smitten with all I know of him and worried about countless middles and endings.


I have to share this Vertex information with you guys. It's killin' me.

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posted August 07, 2008 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"In practice, the Vertex often feels like a compulsive, yet fortunate experience and meeting up with destiny that you couldn't avoid (even if you wanted to). According to Bill Meridian (Mountain Astrologer, June/July 2001), astrologer, Charles A. Jayne who (along with Lorne Johndro) first came up with using the Vertex, "felt this point was fated and that it represented matters beyond our control." It was Johndro that called the Vertex the "electric ascendant."

Here's how I typically use the Vertex (and the anti-Vertex):

Destiny's Gate can be:

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a person (and how they effect you)

in synastry, the most effective when another person's natal Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Venus or Mars conjuncts your natal Vertex or anti-Vertex. I've gotten a wee bit stingy in my old age - and I only (90% of the time) use conjunctions when looking at the Vertex and anti-Vertex. Also, the slower a planet is... the more narrow my orbs tend to get when looking at cross aspects with the Vertex and anti-Vertex.

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a time (when you meet a special person)

when a transiting planet - especially the Sun - conjuncts your birth Vertex or anti-Vertex.

Be Careful What You Wish For
Through the years, I've discovered that it's a whopping big mistake to overly romanticize the Vertex and/or the people that it brings into our lives. In this regard, I especially like what my good friend Aussie astrologer Judy Crichton Weeks has to say about the Vertex. In a nutshell, she feels that the Vertex is a "relationship" point and a "wish fulfillment" point. When the Vertex is involved, we may get exactly what we wished for, but then again we might (or might not) get it in a "perverse manner."

Yep! You may feel like you've literally "wished" this destined meeting with a person into existence. However, later on (after everything's said and done)... she... er, I mean... "Destiny's Gate" may not feel quite as "fortunate" as you originally thought! Okay?

This destined meeting often fills one up with the sense of needing to bring something (or someone) to "completion." You may even find that you simply can't let go of that pesky Vertex person (maybe for years or even decades) until the "business" between the two of you is finished and/or somehow felt to be complete. "
http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm

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MysticMelody
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posted August 07, 2008 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vertex

The Vertex, which is the west end of the true east-west axis through the birthplace, is connected with encounters and experiences over which one has little or no control. The Vertex is somewhat comparable to the Descendant. The degree opposite the Vertex is called the Antivertex.

Edward Johndro, who pioneered research to these points, set out to prove the Antivertex to be the most important end of this axis, noting the quality of destiny to these points. Similar to the Ascendant, Johndro called the Antivertex the Electric Ascendant and observed that while the Ascendant shows free choice and volitional life, the Electric Ascendant showed no choice and involuntary actions.

Later, Charles Jane convinced Johndro that it was really the Vertex that produced the best evidence and showed the greater emphasis as a point of fate. Not only encounters with others, but experiential encounters are noted with the Vertex; it shows appointments with destiny.
http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/special_points.htm#Vertex

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MysticMelody
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posted August 07, 2008 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because, you all remember I said this:

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I have tried to figure out what exactly about me and my energy that night was sending out the spinning 10 mile beacon, and all I’ve come up with so far is Venus and Eros conjunct my Vertex… but that is just my best guess. (I also checked my blouse quite a few times that evening and all was well nothing TOO revealing…)


AND this:

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I was looking for excitement and adventure and I didn't really care what form it came in...

***edited to add that his Eros is on my Anti-Vertex (which means opposite my Vertex)

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MysticMelody
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posted August 07, 2008 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"What does is MEAN!!!!!!! What does it all MEAN!?!?" wailed our heroine from her knees, with her arms lifted to the sky.

She was greeted with the sound of crickets...


Just kidding. Mostly. The Universe is providing answers. The more research I do, the more interesting it gets.... and don't worry about me... there's no place I'd rather be than under the spell of love/infatuation.

That being said... hit me with your fabulous ideas on the subject! Help me analyze the heck out of this!

Or discipline me and tell me to just be in the now... whatever. I don't know which way is up at the moment...


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posted August 07, 2008 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is all just a perfectly orchestrated lesson. I don't even have to ever see this guy again and it has already set things in motion.

"Venus acts to make us more receptive and cooperative in the areas of life ruled by the house it transits."
- from cafe' astrology

Venus was transiting the end of my 7th house (in Leo) when it was conjunct my Vertex that night.

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posted August 07, 2008 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The vertex appears as a sensitive point linked to fateful encounters with others, seemingly sudden epiphanies, turning points in life and a destiny over which we have no control. Activated, it can synchronize with an experience of another whose effect registers as some degree of profound or extraordinary.

A strongly placed natal vertex (conjunct the horizon, in close aspect to a personal planet, in a critical degree or in the degree of the nodes) can indicate more consistent results.

What activates the Vertex? Three things can trigger, coincide or activate the vertex: transits, people and places.

Transits to the vertex can bring inner and outer events corresponding to a pivotal point, significant encounter with another or a sudden change of perception. The transiting planet activates the symbolism of the vertex, coinciding with a major or minor event. Keeping orbs tight and sticking mainly to the conjunction will bring more consistent results. A transiting conjunction from Mars would likely be more noticeable than a transiting trine from Uranus, although sometimes that is not the case. The magnitude of the effect depends on the prominence of the vertex itself, its relationship to other factors in the chart and the occurrence of other transits, commensurate or disparate. Along with transits, students are encouraged to consider progressions, converse progressions and directions.

Meetings with significant people, as seen through synastry and composite charts, may also link strongly to the vertex. (Think of people as constant transits.) When one person's inner planets or asteroids (Sun through to Jupiter), angles, nodes, vertex or certain Arabic parts conjunct the vertex, there can be a feeling of fate, destiny, rightness or wrongness about the encounter. Something in the contact with that person may have the ability to create profound change in the native, over a long or short period of time. The change may be perceived as pleasing or acrimonious, the conjunction often reflecting the former, the opposition the later.

Our location on the planet can awaken the vertex as seen through relocation charts and astro-carto-graphy. When we relocate, the vertex may become more prominent by changing house or aspect to an angle. The relocation vertex can signify places where meaningful encounters of a particular nature seem to happen more consistently.

What about the sign and house position of the vertex? The house positions of the vertex/anti-vertex can offer clues as to where we may experience turning points, meetings with destiny or fateful encounters in life. As noted earlier, the vertex falls usually between the fifth and the eight house, on the western side of the chart, with the anti-vertex 180 degrees opposition.

In the fifth/eleventh house axis, there could be a propensity to experience fateful romantic or creative encounters (fifth house) through contacts with friends or groups (eleventh house). In the sixth/twelfth house axis, the turning point, or spin out, could effect our day by day living, or our link between psyche and soma (sixth house) through contact with those in the helping professions, those less fortunate or through dreams and creative fantasies (twelfth house). In the seventh/first house axis, sudden epiphanies could radically effect socially significant partnerships (seventh house) through an experience of projecting ourselves out into the world (first house). In the eighth/second house axis, destiny may arrive in the form of an erotic encounter or intense research (eighth house) perpetrated by a desire for pleasure, security or peace (second house).

The vertex/anti-vertex by sign can signify the way we may experience activation to this axis. Aries/Libra could indicate issues between personal will and sharing, where Taurus/Scorpio may be about security verses risk. Gemini/Sagittarius could contrast knowledge and vision, where Cancer/Capricorn could emphasize protection verses enterprise. The Leo/Aquarius axis might highlight self-expression as opposed to group participation where the Virgo/Pisces might compare structured boundaries and limitless longing.

Conclusions:The vertex is a point in the horoscope that can indicate a sense of destiny working through another person or outstanding event. It may be stimulated by transits, progressions or directions, other people (synastry/composite) or a change of location. The house and sign position can offer clues as to where the change or turning point may take place and in what way. All students are encouraged to watch the vertex in their own charts, determining for themselves the relative value. After all, we never know when Vertumnus might enter our garden in the guise of someone else, offering an unexpected turn of fate! " http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm

Vertex - A point in our chart were we tend to feel out of control. It is a place where we easily give ourselves over to something beyond the scope of our own life. http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/glossary.html

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posted August 08, 2008 01:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh, oh, OH! (sorry, speed reading skills a little rusty. lol)

Well, all that's even better!

Some lines from that old Cars song just popped into my head while reading what you wrote....

"I guess youre just what I needed! (just what I needed!)...."

Sounds like he is. Have fun with it! xoxo

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posted August 08, 2008 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, T. Just the initial brief encounter gave me more than a couple of my almost year long relationships. I think it might be because I have learned to pay attention and appreciate the beauty of what God brings. I'm trying to stay soft and open on the inside... I'll let you know if I succeed in another 50 or so years...
I'll still have your number, right?


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posted August 08, 2008 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mystic...that's awesome! Age is such an unimportant thing...it's maturity, the soul's evolvement, and a nice arse that really count! LMAO!

I think that transiting Venus hitting your Vertex makes perfect sense!

And get this one MM and 26...I woke up yesterday to find that my water heater is broken!!! What transit/asteroid = broken hot water heaters for all!?!?!? :P

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posted August 08, 2008 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8th no doubt

So, I'm thinking the Universe is trying to tell us that we need to appreciate and value the HEAT in our WATER/(emotions) Ya know... or somethin' like that.

So... I'm watching the movie "Prime" while waiting for Mr. Yummy to call. Call it research... hehe

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posted August 09, 2008 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a beautiful, uplifting thread.

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posted August 09, 2008 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YAY T!!!! I was hoping you would see it.

So, I just came by to share the latest Mr. Yummy quote.

Me:

Astrology this blah blah blah, astrology that blah blah blah, your ascendant conjunct my Sun/Venus blah blah blah so (in a soft voice) You make me feel good about myself.

Mr. Yummy (in that deep, yet so tender VOICE):

That's what I'm here for.


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posted August 09, 2008 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwwww...you're smitten, kitten!

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posted August 09, 2008 10:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. I'm going to email you from my new addy and give you my home phone number. I dont own a cell phone anymore. Will send you the links to my website and myspace too. Just give me a few...i'm in the middle of a paint wash; letting it dry and going back into it. Glad to hear things are going well with you and this guy! I like the sounds of him.

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Hi. I'm going to email you from my new addy and give you my home phone number. I dont own a cell phone anymore. Will send you the links to my website and myspace too. Just give me a few...i'm in the middle of a paint wash; letting it dry and going back into it. Glad to hear things are going well with you and this guy! I like the sounds of him.

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posted August 09, 2008 10:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mel & 8th...
Perhaps the water heaters breaking are a message for us to "cool down".....because we are so HOT!!!

lmao

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posted August 10, 2008 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL! Good answer!

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posted August 11, 2008 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I am a little smitten. I said something about "No matter what I say about this age thing, I want you to know I see and value the connection/attraction" blah blah blah "I've just had a lot of intense experiences in my life" and might not handle emotional intensity as well as you (sun, venus, merc in Scorp) and I hold back because I can't give my heart part-way etc etc and I think "my heart is a little damaged" etc etc

To which he replies (these short intense sentences more full of meaning than my 10 minute distracted nervous ramblings):

"Let's see if we can fix that heart."

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posted August 11, 2008 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T, yes, send the info at your convenience, just don't forget altogether. I want to see your paintings.

I don't know about the HOT water heater theory. I totally did not feel HOT before mine sprayed all over... but I feel quite toasty now that it's fixed.

8th, is your chart or misc info over at Know Two Are Alike? I'd like to check out your 8th House stuff etc... I have Sun, Merc, Pluto and Eros in the 8th conjunct my Venus/Uranus in the 9th.


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posted August 11, 2008 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sent it last night! lol

I've sent out a few recently and havent gotten a response....hm...

Your Scorpio sounds like a healer.

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posted August 11, 2008 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
k, got it and replied

Well... you read the Scorp/Cancer excerpt right? "might be your emotional rescue" ...

So, you know that thing he said... "I want to feel like this forever"... he said it again and when the easy energy flow between us was immediately halted (needle skidding across the record) as I reacted basically with terror at what he might mean... he added the words "hopefully... with you". How sweet is that? It was like he said, "You don't have to worry, I'm not going to follow you like a love sick puppy or something, I know exactly what is going on here but I'm also quite aware of the connection between us and it is good." He also said, "Only time will tell." Mmmmm... Scorpio.

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