posted August 21, 2009 09:45 AM            

I've been so miserable. The Universe/Pluto has me weak and vulnerable and is preparing to screw me. Help! Help! Universal Date Rape! I can't trust myself.

Yeah he seems fine and sweet and gentle and goes days without drinking and doesn't drink when he works but when he drinks whew, he can drink. I think I will end up just being friends with him, which is fine... but is it wrong to dip my toes in a little and pretend for a while that I have something? It IS something. Can't I just enjoy having a "boyfriend" for a bit even if he is one big red flag? (Here's me with the bargaining and rationalizations, right? ) Being completely honest with him about my feelings regarding the situation, of course.

So, here, for the first time ever (are you reading this, Zala?) and on the tail end of the anal-izing of people's birthcharts by people who haven't a clue fiasco... is my birth information and his. I am counting on my beloved Miss Z or someone too hook me up with a synastry and composite here since I am too mentally and emotionally exhausted from life to figure out how to do it myself.

The long awaited birth information for:

Mystic Melody : Sept 28, 1971 3:02 pm Wilkesbarre, PA

with

her current thing : Nov 19, 1981 7:30 am
Chicago, IL

his birthtime is questionable, he guessed "morning" and 6:30 am but as I said, that would give him Scorp AC and he is Sag all the way. He loves Phish and frisbee golf, will run and join random people on the beach for any and all sport be it frisbee, football, or volleyball and he is VERY good at these things. He also looks like and dresses like a Sag (you can just see him hiking) and doesn't exhibit the Leo moon that would go with the 6:30 birth time so I go with 7:30 to give it the Sag AC and Virgo moon. Very quiet and analytical about his emotions.

I'm not "in love", I'm in "like" and there was no parting of the Heavens at the time of our meeting, just a couple games of pool and him showing his interest and buying me a drink etc. and showing a little friendly jealousy about my work buddies who were there with me. We have a moon square Saturn aspect http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201984.html in the composite (info on that aspect and others' reactions to that aspect in previous link) and I know I have been learning to stop being judgmental of people in troubled situations (his sister about his age just died less than 2 years ago which has something to do with the binge drinking but that doesn't mean it is an appropriate situation for someone with a 6 1/2 year old daughter) and at the same time that PLuto thread in Astro 2.0 says that sometimes PLuto WANTS you to learn to be judgmental, so maybe I am following the "enlightenment" principals to a fault.

Yeah.
HElp.

posted August 21, 2009 01:32 PM            

Working Together Effectively - Saturn trine Mars

While your lover is an idea person who thrives on creative action, you're good at planning and minimizing risks -- a great combination.

Growth Through Unity - Sun sextile Pluto

You offer one another support that can help encourage transformative growth as individuals. The bond between you runs strong and deep.

An Easy Flow Of Ideas - Sun sextile Mercury

You enjoy your lover's easy understanding of your individual nature that allow you to communicate in healthy, fun and creative ways.

Section 2: Intensity of this Relationship

A Sober Romance - Saturn conjunct Venus (

Though you both appreciate the feeling of security and commitment between you, it might be hard to lighten up when you're together.

Boundless Possibilities - Sun conjunct Jupiter

You make each other feel wonderfully optimistic, like you can handle anything that comes along! Your bond is suffused with warmth.

The Power Of The Heart - Sun conjunct Neptune

You two make a gentle, compassionate match. You inspire one another on a spiritual level, and could even share a psychic connection.

A Grounded Idealism - Saturn conjunct Uranus

As long as you're able to appreciate your different approaches to any project or problem, you could be able to unite as a strong team.

Section 3: Challenges for this Relationship

A Different Language - Venus square Venus

The love you could share is tested through self-indulgence. Your individualities clash and you find it hard to cooperate with each other.

Tone It Down - Mercury square Mars

You two are almost incapable of anything but tactlessness with each other. Rudeness, criticism and hasty speech spike your conversations.

A Heavy Energy - Sun opposition Saturn
This isn't the easiest relationship. Insecurities likely cause you to cling -- and not in a good way. Learning independence is key.

An Unpredictable Bond - Venus square Uranus

You two were very into each other from the start, but by now, and the spontaneous, frenetic pace of your bond may be wearing you down.

posted August 21, 2009 01:35 PM            

MM on the outside

posted August 21, 2009 01:58 PM            

quote:

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He calls himself a "binge drinker" which is close enough to alcoholic I suppose.

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Not necessarily.

posted August 21, 2009 10:45 PM              

But, seriously...
alcoholics need love, too.

If you didn't have a little girl,
it might not be the biggest deal.

You're soul has been sick with loneliness.
Even with his abuse of alcohol,
he could be good for you,
provided he's not a violent drunk,
and provided you can practice
common sense when it comes to
boundaries, with money and such.
Gotta watch those crafty drunks.

But, yeah, I dont see it as huge.
Every guy you meet has some issue.
Addiction is not as bad as many issues.
Some guys cant communicate at all,
and i think that's more damaging.
This man sounds sweet and sensitive,
and maybe he could use some luvins.

But, like I said,
the fact that you have a little girl
is, for me, a highly mitigating factor.
If it was just you, you could maybe handle it,
and maybe even help him to get sober.
But with a little girl, its different.

That's my anal-ysis.

posted August 24, 2009 10:27 PM            

That Venus Moon and Rising conjunction in the above synastry chart looks really yummy BTW. I can't tell how wide it is but it looks close enough.
Do you also have a Neptune - Sun conjunction?
Again I can't tell without the degrees but I know from experience that that's a powerful aspect to have in a synastry.

quote:

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Good for compatibility (with warnings). Love often starts with infatuation, that giddy enchanted feeling that the other person is your dream come true. Neptune is the planet that represents that feeling of enchantment. So obviously, this aspect can make for a very romantic start to a relationship. However, infatuation often turns to disillusionment when it is not based on a solid relationship. The Sun person has to keep their feet on the ground and not assume that every flowery phrase or pretty smile from the Neptune person means lasting love. The Neptune person has to be careful not to appear to make promises they don't intend to keep, or to pretend to be someone they are not. If both parties can keep to the higher (spiritual) levels of Neptune energy they can avoid some of the human need and expectation that causes disillusionment.

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posted August 26, 2009 09:42 AM            

My heart melted when I read you post...

I will leave the astrology to the experts.

With my life experiences with "alcoholics" this makes me very sad.

My 2 cents, follow your heart, as you will...

I loathe the politically incorrect term of "alcoholic." The society-imposed notion that anything beyond two drinks at a social setting is begging "alcoholism."

Tho my Aquarian-coloured Pisces soul loathes lables anyway!

My intuitive impression when I read your post was what is his behavior like when he drinks? My late "husband" turned into a hateful Nazi war monger when he drank...why he opted out, I suppose. I have a dear friend (we have been friends since high school) who can not handle her liquor either...she becomes sarcastic and just plain annoying, and always has, since we were 17. I, on the other had am a fun drunk, I get real happy and am quite fun, tho Pisces boy tells me I can be quite riteous, but that I will contribute to my Aqua side as well, and his former experiences with a lady in his life and alcohol.

Anyway, what I am saying is I have come to believe that it is not the alcohol that is the issue, but what the alcohol develops into and what the effect on one's life is.

Did you happen to notice what one Ta'ri, formerally Pisces Sun was doing one week ago at 4:51 am?

I am a Pisces afterall!

I am not supporting the abuse of alcohol or anything else for that matter, but different strokes for different folks. From a physical standpoint I have seen the devestating effects of alcohol abuse on the body and I have known folks who happily "abuse" alcohol all of their lives and die very old, very happy.

What will be, will be, what is, is.

Valus...what an awesome post, to be able to think outside of the box, so to speak is quite impressive.

blessings

t~~~