posted June 18, 2012 11:30 PM            

EDIT: I just realized that I didn't refresh the page when I looked at your chart, so the following is from the chart you had up previously with the time 436am on June 18.

posted June 18, 2012 11:55 PM            

Sorry, I think what you are looking for is for someone to read your transit charts. Horary charts are charts that you erect when you ask a question that is deeply meaningful for you. The birth of that question is the exact time and place you ask that question for the first time in expectation that astrology/an astrologer will answer it for you.

For example, I ask the question:
Who stole my wallet?

Anticipating that a horary chart will help me find the answer, I note the time, date and place that I asked that question. This is the time, date and place I put in the chart. So the natals would be for June 18 2012 at 1044 pm, in the city I am in right now.

This chart is the only chart I work with right now. I don't look at natals usually but if you want to give your own birth chart, it can sometimes be used to confirm a positive answer. I don't usually look at people's birth charts though because there is usually enough information in the Horary chart alone. The charts that you have posted won't help me for this kind of work. I'm not sure if anyone uses first meeting charts for horary, but I won't say it's impossible either. A lot of modern astrologers are creative in finding answers.

Go ahead and try the a question related to what you were posting. Think of the most basic issue that you want to know.

I imagine your most basic question is "Will we be together again?" or "Will he come back to me?" I suggest asking a very basic question that will have a yes or no answer as the chart will most likely be clearer to read. You might also want to ask a question that has a time limit, such as "Will we be back together before the end of 2012?" because if the answer is negative, it is hard to hear when your question contains "ever". Things are also confusing when your question contains a negative word such as "not or never", for example: "Will we never be together again?" because if the answer is yes, it is confusing.

posted June 19, 2012 06:41 AM            

Do I have to post a new chart now? I think the hour in my country ins't same as yours, does this matter?

My question could be "Will we be back before the end of 2013?" or this is difficult since were still at 2012?

posted June 19, 2012 01:07 PM            

Yes, place is as important as date and time, so you would have had to make a new chart. In this case however, I chose to do the question for you, which is possible sometimes. I can choose to make a chart for my time and place for the time I understood the question. So here is the chart.

Let me know if you would rather I read this chart or your own.

posted June 19, 2012 01:21 PM            

- Thanks!

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Originally posted by appleberry:
CHERFUL 24:

Sure, I'll have a look at the other chart too. Things are quite a mess now... though and the rule is that only the first time the question is asked will produce the radical chart, so I have a feeling all the rest are not going to work... that might be the frustration for both of us.

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posted June 19, 2012 03:45 PM            

here is my chart http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxl01f.jpg

from the very little i know, is the question already too late in degrees?

i also posted *Placidus* sorry I hope it's okay.

posted June 19, 2012 06:50 PM            

Sorry, I'll explain...

"You are receiving him, but he is not receiving you."

I guess you could say that you are more willing to accept him and cooperate with him, but he is not reciprocating this to you. He does not accept you or want to reciprocate.

"But the end is fixed. It won't be easy to change."

When the end is fixed (as in, not cardinal or mutable) then it has the properties of that mode.

"fixed means securely placed and fastened and implies unchanging."

Cardinal Signs. Also called "Moveable" signs. Cardinal signs signal initiation, beginnings, action. A Cardinal Ascendant can show a quick start. Cardinal signs on all the angles show a sustained, quick movement of the matter, and a quick resolution. Seasons change with the Cardinal signs.

Fixed Signs. These represent an established force. They show stability and rootedness. Change does not occur quickly. Prominent fixed signs can show that the querent is "dug in," stubborn, conservative, stable. Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson says that a fixed cross shows that "there is no stopping the proceedings."

posted June 19, 2012 07:07 PM            

Thanks!! Can you just clarify a bit more please I am a bit confused. You said "but you are the one who turns away from it"...so if this is true then how can either one of us be or not be receiving one another...or then I should say that wouldn't I be the one who wouldn't be receiveing him, since I am turing away?

Also, what does it mean when you said "Whatever this situation is for him, it is very new.

And you said It is the sign of your good fortune and it shows that you have just landed in a set of new circumstances." I'd love to hear more about that, ig you have time!!!

As always, THANKS!!

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Originally posted by appleberry:
CHERFUL24:

CHERFUL24:

EDIT: I just realized that I didn't refresh the page when I looked at your chart, so the following is from the chart you had up previously with the time 436am on June 18. Read this one first and if you still want, I can look at the other one too.

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Oh! I see you already did it.
Sure, we can give this one a try. I can't guarantee anything because of the circumstances, but if things start to sound right, then the chart is probably radical (readable).

Anyway, for this new chart (provided it is radical):

You are Mercury, the Sun, the Moon, and Venus.

He is Jupiter, Pluto and possibly the Sun.

There is only one future connection between the two of you and it is not a positive connection, but beyond that, it is a connection that might not be followed through because it is with one of your significators which is soon going to turn around and go the other direction before it happens. The connection that should have been made involves setting something right, but you are the one who turns away from it. This connection is in Gemini so it was probably to be a coming together in order to communicate. It's possible that it could still happen because you do actually come close together, but the exact connection does not happen, it's abandoned, which is why I say it won't likely happen.

However, once again, there is this symbol of someone/something that could bring the two of you together again. The opportunity is there and again it is coming from your house which represents all of: work, daily living, illness, pets (I know they don't seem relative) and partially from the house that represents friends, or income. But for him, these houses represent sorrow and romance. Hoping this means more to you, cuz it is not coming together too much for me.

You are receiving him, but he is not receiving you. Both of you are in sorrow. It feels like something grave happened. I wouldn't be surprised if it were a miscarriage, just from some of the indicators in the chart that idea jumped out at me. Something is connecting you both from this house of children but this is also the house of romance so it's hard to say.

The situation now is unstable and rapidly changing, but the end is fixed. It won't be easy to change.

Whatever this situation is for him, it is very new. For you, I see that all of your significators are soon going to go through a change of environment or circumstances, and two of them are going to turn to the direction of the light. This generally means that you are literally going to see the light. Everything is headed towards the light in your house of self, coming from houses of sorrow and values. Your part of fortune is at critical degrees in your house of self. It is the sign of your good fortune and it shows that you have just landed in a set of new circumstances. It is extremely early though so I think you won't quite feel it yet.

I'll stop there for now because I am not even sure this chart is radical. Let me know if anything sounds right. If it sounds right then maybe there is more I can look at.

Sorry, I'll explain...

"You are receiving him, but he is not receiving you."

I guess you could say that you are more willing to accept him and cooperate with him, but he is not reciprocating this to you. He does not accept you or want to reciprocate.

"But the end is fixed. It won't be easy to change."

When the end is fixed (as in, not cardinal or mutable) then it has the properties of that mode.

"fixed means securely placed and fastened and implies unchanging."

Cardinal Signs. Also called "Moveable" signs. Cardinal signs signal initiation, beginnings, action. A Cardinal Ascendant can show a quick start. Cardinal signs on all the angles show a sustained, quick movement of the matter, and a quick resolution. Seasons change with the Cardinal signs.

Fixed Signs. These represent an established force. They show stability and rootedness. Change does not occur quickly. Prominent fixed signs can show that the querent is "dug in," stubborn, conservative, stable. Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson says that a fixed cross shows that "there is no stopping the proceedings."

Mutable Signs. Also called "Common" signs. They mark the end of one season and the beginning of the next. They signal imminent change, flexibility. Also, instability. A mutable cross signals changeability, or unstable conditions.

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posted June 19, 2012 09:57 PM            

Well, some things really are saying that this chart is unreadable, possibly because you already know the answer. Sometimes this happens as well because there is already a more basic question in your mind when you are asking, but the question you give me is not the same, or because the question has already been outgrown by new conditions. Another reason this can happen is because you don't really believe that you will get a correct answer.

Another problem is that this is not the right kind of chart. If you read the instructions at the beginning of the thread, it details how to make a horary chart which is different from other charts. There is some additional unneeded info in this chart and some needed information that is missing.

posted June 19, 2012 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
HI,

Thanks!! Can you just clarify a bit more please I am a bit confused. You said "but you are the one who turns away from it"...so if this is true then how can either one of us be or not be receiving one another...or then I should say that wouldn't I be the one who wouldn't be receiving him, since I am turning away?

Also, what does it mean when you said "Whatever this situation is for him, it is very new.

And you said It is the sign of your good fortune and it shows that you have just landed in a set of new circumstances." I'd love to hear more about that, ig you have time!!!

As always, THANKS!!

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You are receiving him at the moment, but as time passes, this will change, and you will be the one to walk away. But receiving can represent wanting to make contact with him, wanting to have him in your life, wanting to cooperate with him. At the moment, if I remember correctly, you have an aspect that is bringing you together, this aspect doesn't complete, meaning that you will probably never come back together, but the thing that might be shocking is that it is you who seems to decide to abandon this- meaning you are the one who, in the future, walks away and turns your back on him.

Well, I have no idea what the situation is really. Your question was: What will happen with me and John. I don't know if you have just gotten together or just broken up or if you are married... I know nothing about the situation of either of you... all I can say is that he is in a very new situation and whatever this situation is for him, he has a long journey ahead of him. That doesn't imply good or bad... just a lot will happen. So, for example, if the situation is that you have already broken up and he has just started dating someone else... this is a new situation for him and there will be a lot for him to go through with that situation. I am not predicting that by any means, just using it as an example.

Again regarding your situation, I have no idea what your new situation is either... only that whatever it is, looks good. There is a lot of good fortune for you. If I could guess more, I would say that it has something to do with nurturing yourself, or mothering in some way.

Hope that explains more.

posted June 19, 2012 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Phoenix:
AppleBerry thanks

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So, go ahead and read the chart above?

posted June 19, 2012 10:19 PM            

Thnx

posted June 19, 2012 10:50 PM            

Will they get back together by the end of 2013?

You are: Mercury, Mars, Venus, Moon

He is: Jupiter, Sun, (Uranus)

First of all, the POF 1* from the AC is super positive. But doesn't necessarily mean yes.

There are some indications of getting back together, but others, not so much.

There really are a LOT of indications that you both kind of want this. But there are indications of something in the way that is overpowering the situation and keeping it from happening. I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with another woman or physically not being in the same place.

I can also see that the situation, for what it is now, is new and that there is a lot to go through until it actually ends. There will be both ease and challenges to come in different areas. I wonder if he is in another country or studying and this is keeping him apart from you.

Ultimately, I think there might be a lot of back and forth for a while, with undertones of wanting to be back together on both your parts, but there will be this greater force keeping you apart for a bit.

Ultimately, my guess would be that the back and forth thing is going to go on for a while but I don't see you being in the position you want by the end of 2013. I think the opportunity is there and what you want is possible. Your chart is also saying that the beginning and end of this is all unstable and rapidly changing. Perhaps there is just too much going on for a firm answer to be there. Perhaps because the moon is saying that the circumstances surrounding this question are very new so there is so much to happen first, before an end can be determined. All I can say is that there is opportunity and it appears this is something that you are both appear to want. One thing that I do see is that two of your significators have Rx issues... one is Rx now and another goes Rx later.

Perhaps the whole problem with this chart, being that there is so much indecisive Mercurial energy here too... that you don't really know what you want?

posted June 19, 2012 11:44 PM            

Now I know that that is a woman but something tells me it is a forbidden thing.

Right now it is as I dont even now him anymore, he changed a lot. My intuiton says he's going to regret. The day he left he said he regreted he didn't talk to me before. Some weeks ago he told me he regrets have done things in the way he did (the way he left).

But right now I feel he got rid of me and I dont feel as he is considering coming back. But you see, he's such a great pretneder, a chamaleon, so I dont know if what he says os what he feels.

posted June 20, 2012 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
ANCHI:

Well, some things really are saying that this chart is unreadable, possibly because you already know the answer. Sometimes this happens as well because there is already a more basic question in your mind when you are asking, but the question you give me is not the same, or because the question has already been outgrown by new conditions. Another reason this can happen is because you don't really believe that you will get a correct answer.

Another problem is that this is not the right kind of chart. If you read the instructions at the beginning of the thread, it details how to make a horary chart which is different from other charts. There is some additional unneeded info in this chart and some needed information that is missing.

Given this info, I'll let you make a decision of whether you'd rather make a new chart. If you do, use the same astro data that you used but choose a different chart style, etc. It's possible that the chart will actually turn out radical but I can't be certain until I see it.

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posted June 21, 2012 08:08 PM            

Yes, I can read more. I am starting to get busier but a chart here and there so far is no problem.

posted June 23, 2012 01:36 PM            

I think I did everything correctly this time. Only asking the question too early this time? lol

Thanks! =)

posted June 23, 2012 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
TONIA:

Well, the 6th is his house of sorrow. I'm not sure why you are looking at it. His house of truth is the radical 3rd (turned 9th) I suppose. This is again ruled by Saturn Rx which lies in his house of romance. It seems to keep coming back to him changing his mind about romance.

What this chart can also tell you is who the two of you are. You are represented by Scorpio and he Taurus. You are very probing and searching. He is very stubborn and set in his ways. I'm not sure this situation is likely to change. Maybe read some more about the natures of Taurus (as well as Jupiter and Venus Rx) to understand this situation better. Also read about how you are represented in this chart, by Scorpio and Mars. Maybe that will help you find some answers.

Let me know how it goes... good luck!

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posted June 24, 2012 01:33 AM            

Yes, it does seem this time that the question is not radical. The AC is early, and the moon is kind of telling me that there was something else probably more basic on your mind. Is there something else more basic that is what you really want to know. Try hard to figure that out. What was your question really supposed to be?

"When" is also really hard to determine with horary. I usually try to answer these questions anyway but horary questions need a beginning and ending point or a definitive answer like yes or no. So it might be better to ask something like: "Will I have a romance before 2012 is over?", or "Will I start a relationship this summer?"