posted January 20, 2014 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by St@r2013:
I guess I've never thought too much about psychics checking this forum - even if we do share personal info how can they tell it's us when we have a reading with them?

What I'm a bit puzzled about is - Did Jonah email you after he read that all the other psychics said marriage and suddenly he says 'oh wait, I also saw 10 of cups and it can signify marriage' - Why didn't he email that info sooner? And why didn't he say in that email that he saw the forum posts?

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posted January 20, 2014 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by lilacbreeze:
Wow - it's one thing that he picked up the situation wrong, but another thing entirely to see the way he handled it. An ethical reader would feel bad upon hearing their reading was so wrong. I guess if he's removing all the bad reviews, it's no wonder all we see are glowing reviews about him.

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Originally posted by cherful24:
be careful with him because I used him a lot and literally spent about $350 on him. the details were wrong.... I didn't know at the time, I thought what he was telling me was correct but when the predictions didn't happen and then I finally got the truth of the situation from my ex boyfriend... directly from him..... I thought how wrong he was in a situation how it was like a fairy tale and false hope that he was basically telling me.... same with almost all of the psychic so I confronted the ones who I spend hundreds of dollars on....so he was one of the psychics I confronted and I got the same crap oh the energy changes and I was like no no no I'm not talking about the prediction I'm talking about all the details you told me you were able to read on the situation which were not correct.
he ended the chat and sen't me email and was saying that I was crazy for coming back to him almost a year later accusing him of being wrong and that I was trying to tarnish his reputation and that I was a liar and therefore I deserved the negative situations that were coming in my life and then he blocked me.

I did write a review you afterwards but then he got it removed.

and by the way he must really like to talk about him predicting the marriage of his sister because he did the same thing to me

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@Cherful24, there's only two clients I can in anyway match to what you claim. I have a very good idea by your energy who you are, but as I don't want to accuse you of anything or release the member name publicly, even though you did that to me, and as I could be wrong on who you are, I will state them both (without revealing personal names, member names, or very specific information, other than the bare facts of what I was accused of getting wrong or in the second case what resulted).

The first is a client who spent only $5 and left a negative review but never completed the reading and wrote in the review that there sole intention of doing the reading was to leave a negative review. I did actually pick up on this situation wrong according to the client, and I admit it. I told her I did not see a romantic future with the man, and she said he had men for that and didn't need that. Whether that's picking up on the situation wrong (as I was right about him not wanting her for romantic purposes), or failing to pick up on what she was asking about the man (friendship versus relationship), is open to debate, and I admit this client did say I was wrong. But it felt like they only spent $5 (and only added $5 and clicked out after a minute with no intention of spending longer even before I began the reading properly) was to leave a review. This was investigated by the site and removed due to its blackmailing nature and the client was refunded as a gesture of goodwill by me as well as it felt like we got off on the wrong foot, with a reading of only a minute or 2. But the client only spent $5, received a refund, and did not spend $350. This only connects with me with what you are saying about a feedback being removed and it is the ONLY time one of my feedbacks has been removed by me or Bitwine (in two other cases, clients who left me negative feedback saying predictions didn't come true later retracted these when they did come true, but this is the only case where a feedback of mine was removed. You probably all won't believe that but it's true.)

As for the second client this case reminds me of, this is one who spent over $300, and most closely matches what you say, this resulted in a Paypal chargeback with her bank for credit card fraud - as it was proved she stole or used that card without permission, that stole the original $300 from the readings and charged me another $100 in fees. So all in all I lost $400 and my time. I told this client they did commit bad Karma by committing fraud and stealing the readings, and I standby that, if the intention to steal was there from the beginning, the reading could very well have been inaccurate - but I never said they deserved bad things happening to them. Also, the chargeback and the credit card fraud happened within weeks of the reading, but only a year later did they have the audacity to come back, despite stealing this money, and claim my predictions were wrong. I have full records of this but I won't reveal the client name here - again, to have ethics and respect this client, even though they did commit fraud.

Cherful even though you have publicly accused me of sending you messages wishing you bad things, I am not accusing you of being either of these two clients - but the details you have pasted here about me are the only two clients I can match this up with, particularly the second due to the amount and the year later and karma comment.
If you are not either of these two clients, please do message me via my Bitwine page and I can review the transcripts. You may also choose to contact Bitwine instead. I may indeed have been wrong on your situation and if you are not either of these two aforementioned clients then I do apologise strenuously for getting this wrong for you, all I can do is tell people what I see, and of course I will get things wrong from time to time, no reader is infallible (even though they might claim to be). You really should have made me aware of this sooner though, not after dozens of readings, as anyone can claim I was wrong all along and they just found out just to get their money back (many people do try this), and also I do operate a no refund policy, I don't guarantee results (only God can) unlike some readers. Also, I would never tell someone they deserved the bad things that happened to them. In both the above cases, I may have said bad karma could result from those actions and certainly in the first case I did accuse the client of trying to damage my reputation as they did pay $5 simply to post a bad review. But I did not wish bad things on either of these people. No matter how angry or upset a client gets with me, it is not in my nature to say something so vindictive.

Having said all that, however, if your case is genuine, I will do my best to come to a resolution with you. Please contact me via the Bitwine messaging system if you are not either of these clients and me and Bitwine will review your case in a professional manner, so as neither of us are airing any more dirty laundry here so to speak.

And yes, I do like to mention my sister's marriage, it's one of those early predictions I made when I was quite young that I'm quite proud of when she did marry the man I predicted she would all those years ago. I've successfully predicted other marriages as well but I tend to mention that story a lot because she's my sister and it's a happy memory for me, plus I mention the cards she got, to illustrate how probable a prediction is - if you only get some of those cards, a marriage is possible, but if you get all of them a marriage is more than probable. She was my first marriage prediction as a reader and her case history in the cards has proved very valuable in similar predictions over the years.

posted January 20, 2014 09:04 AM            

As you are already aware as I made Blessing39 (Edit: I want to make everyone aware Blessing39 did NOT send me the link) aware of this and told her to let you all know, a member of this forum emailed me the link to this page last night. They asked me not to disclose their name so I will respect that. I do not know if I was the only reader to receive the email linking to this forum, it may well have been sent to others as well (it will be interesting to see if they are brave enough to come clean and post here if they have seen this thread). In defense of the person who linked me, it did feel like they were genuine and not out to cause trouble, and whether they were right or wrong to do so, I'm sure as I point out below other readers already know about this site, as I've since found out it appears in google and is publicly viewable.

I also want to say I am all for free speech and think you are all entitled to discuss me and my readings here, both negatively and positively. I hold no ill will against anyone who does so. I have nothing to hide but as this is a public forum I am entitled to defend myself if I feel a blatant mistruth or very damagaing remark was made. If you saw posts about yourself that you felt were untrue or at least grossly unfair, you would want to defend yourself or post your side of the story too - it's human nature and us readers are human too. I will not disclose any client details or member names as I do have ethics but I wanted to respond to a recent post by Cherful24 who accused me of sending her a nasty message, which I have done above, and invited her to come discuss this with me on Bitwine so I can investigate her claim.

Again, I am not in anyway going against your rights to post negative comments against me and I don't even have any intention of going back through these pages and filing similar rebuttals against previous postings that may have been made against me. I am not posting here because I am worried about losing business (by all means do post if my "predictions" have not come true for you, do post if you think I am a fake or vague, or money hungry, or what have you) but rather to give my side of the story (above) and possibly offer a resolution to the person who commented about me. The rest of this post is mostly to address some general points about me or other readers and readings in general. Feel free to skim or ignore this long post, but a few of you may find it helpful, interesting, or at least it might give you something to critique. I also hope my post may give some tips on readings and readers in general and address some other points raised. Forgive me for the long posts - I am a writer also and tend to be a little long-winded but I type so fast that it doesn't take me long to write a few pages.

To address some further points...

My Rates - I may charge a high rate but I do not ask let alone push people to read with me. I know in general people think I am too expensive - I get angry emails on Bitwine from people who have never read with me every day demanding to know why I am at that rate, as if I asked them to read with me. While at the same time, when I give these people a free reading, they often get nasty about something else. Though I am happy to say I read for lots of lovely people too. As for the rate, it's not really necessary for me to explain or defend it, as I am entitled to charge whatever rate I deem valuable for my time, and it is up to the client to decide if they can afford it or if I am worth it as I don't ask anyone to come read with me. I will say though the main reason I charge higher rates is to discourage getting too many readings. Most readers want to get as many as they can, but I also work full time as an author and editor, and am not interested in doing 20 or 30 readings a day - I like to log into Bitwine or other sites, and take only a few calls. The higher rates tend to discourage getting too many calls, whereas lower rates means people are always calling in, and I prefer to write/edit most of the day, and only get a few calls a day interrupting this process. Also higher rates tend to encourage more serious clients, less trolls (people who target us readers and make death threats, etc.) and bashers. Finally, I defy anyone to claim they actually spent the full 9.99 a minute with me - between the amount of sales I offer, free minutes I give (I am very generous with time) and outright free readings I give, if you calculate the amount of minutes you have received from me and divide them into the amount you spent, you may be shocked to see how little it was, it usually averages as between $1 and $5 a minute in most cases. A few ladies recently told me they spent 3 hours in chats with me and spent $200 total, this works out as $1.11 a minute (which is below average even for a new reader to charge let alone someone with experience reading), and remember we readers do pay the lines we work on between 25 and 60 percent (depending on the site) of our rates, plus Paypal fees, tax, etc, so we do pay to use the sites - I still do free readings though when my guides tell me to or sometimes just for the heck of it.

Psychic Addiction/"Updates" - But I digress ... As I said I didn't feel the need to defend my rates as it's up to people to decide if they want to pay that rate or not (if I can't afford a book or a couch, I don't buy it). I discourage psychic addiction and if I feel someone has been going to too many readings or spending too much on me or in readings in general, I will tell them to take a break from readings. I often refuse calls on Bitwine as well if true psychic addicts simply won't listen to my advice. I never send people messages saying "I have an update on your situation, come back for another reading" (be wary of those who do this, they do not have an update, they want you to spend more). I am very honest, I don't make promises or guarantees, I tell people honestly what I see at the time of the reading. I don't know if there's any clients who can attest to my honesty and generosity here but I do give a lot of free readings as well, despite it being against the policy of the sites I work for, and in my private time offsite as well.

Thoughts and advice...

Predictions/Readers and the Future - I understand there are many unethical readers out there who make promises and pretend to be all knowing. None of us are Gods, none of us can control the outcome (though spellcasters claim to), none of us will know every facet of your life. There are unethical readers and there are readers who strive to be honest, but we are all humans working with the divine, and the ethical readers among us do the best we can. Sometimes predictions don't come true because things do change (I clearly mark on my profile this in two places in bold type, that I don't make set-in-stone predictions, and that the future can change, that all readings are based on energies at the time of reading, whereas I understand many readers don't say this upfront but only turn around and use the "free will" argument as an excuse after the fact). We can also read the situation or the person or people in question wrong - again usually by genuine mistake or other variables (we have bad days and get ill too or we can read someone who is ill at the time, if we are reading their energy through your energy and you have little or false knowledge about the person, or are prejudiced against them, there's lots of variables at play here in energy, etc etc). Sometimes things don't manifest because when given an awareness of the future, the client decides - consciously and subconsciously - to change it. And sometimes the readers - myself included, and I am the first to admit it - just plain get things wrong or screw up. Maybe we were having a bad day, or someone in our life was sick or had died, or we were sick, or worried about our bills, our kids, all the things people worry about - we are humans working with gifts and abilities, with spirit (spirit can get things wrong too especially timeframes) and the divine, humans make mistakes, humans get sick, get worried, get confused. It's best to treat a reading with any reader, no matter how outrageous their claims, with reasonable expectations and take responsibility for the co-creation of your own future. Trust your gut too - if it feels wrong, or too good to be true, or too negative, it probably is.
Accuracy/Reviews/Instinct - And remember a reader can be 110 % accurate for one person and 0% accurate for another, depending on the person or situation, or what's going on in the client or the reader's life, or perhaps even due to Mercurcy Retrograde (as I said, there's lots of variables that can affect readings), the wavelength your energy is operating on. A lot of positive reviews doesn't mean they will be right for you just because they were for those people, and similarly a lot of negative reviews doesn't mean they will be wrong for everyone either.

Go with who you are drawn with (listen to your gut, your guides, or just your feelings) rather than what their reviews say, and trust your instincts. Again I know very few readers are this direct and try to pretend they are all knowing and see every facet of the future. The truth is, the future is not set in stone, not all of us use predictions to market ourselves (I don't and I don't claim to be 100 percent or 99.9 percent accurate like many readers do, nowhere on my profile or site do I promote predictions or a rate of accuracy, in fact I even lose readings by being so blunt that predictions in my opinion are only estimates and probabilities), and no reader can be 100 percent for everyone. Any reading you do should be done with the understanding that things do indeed change and that you are being shown the likely outcomes with warnings and hopes for the probable and possible paths ahead. Anything else should be taken with a grain of salt or as an outrageous claim. It's almost impossible to guage accuracy as it is dependent on the situation, the person, and other variables - a good reader is usually between 65% and 85-90% accurate, often more or less depending, but those who say they are 99.9% - well, this is total BS.

Promises - Try to avoid spellcasters (I tend to discourage spellwork in general personally) who promise outcomes, readers who make guaranteed results, nothing in life is guaranteed, there is a reason all psychic sites state that the site should be viewed as entertainment only, this is not to say an ethical reader views them only as entertainment, but this means nothing can be guaranteed, nothing can be promised - if you keep that in mind you may decide to stop doing readings, do less readings, or do different types of readings. Also I think more readers should be upfront about this, either during the reading or on their profile as I am, and not just resort to using "future is not set in stone" or "free will" as excuses, but state it up front. As I said if you view my profile, you will see I have done this in bold face twice, so no one will miss it.

Point of a Reading - Why bother getting a reading then if the future is not set in stone and things can change, what's the point? you may ask. Well, that's up to you to decide - it depends if readings for you are primarily focused on predictions or not, I've read for many thousand people now (I don't just read on Bitwine) and in my experience, a lot of clients don't actually ask for predictions - or even want them in some cases, though many do of course. A lot of people forget there are more aspects to readings than just predictions or the future - readings can often offer guidance, clarity on the present or past, advice, counselling, wisdom, inspiration, Past Lives, Spirit Guide connections, and in many cases predictions do come true even though the future can change, a reading can at least offer you a general "head's up" for what you can expect, or at least give you something to think about, or make you decide to change your path for the better if you hear something you didn't like. Sometimes it can even help you just to vent to someone online. While you may want it to be all about the predictions, this is not necessarily the case, unless that reader is heavily promoting predictions or fortune telling. If they are, and if they promise results, then it's up to them to justify why they weren't honest on their profiles in the first place about how things can change - or why things didn't manifest.

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I'm sure all sorts of nasty things will be said about me now and people will accuse me both now and in the future of taking information from these boards and using it in my readings. Ask yourself if this was the case, would I be so open about knowing about the forum? I am not someone who sneaks into a corner and spies on people. I understand also that I may lose clients who will remain suspicious about me now that they know I've seen the forum and think I am somehow violating their sanctuary by reading all their info (I haven't read much of this forum at all, just a few recent posts about myself, and while some energies feel familiar, in most cases I can't connect the name here with the name on BW). If that is this case, it is okay, as really unless you trust a reader or follow your gut instincts about that person's integrity, you really should not read with them. If you are suspicious about a reader beyond reasonable doubt (I'm not saying you should be gullible and believe in every reader) but if you really don't trust the reader at all, then it's better not to read with them. I understand people may think I am inaccurate or very accurate - depending on their case - but I personally would rather not read for someone who believes I may be a liar, a fraud, etc, if I got things wrong for them. I'm not out to convince anyone I am the world's greatest psychic reader (I'm not) and if I lose clients as a result of this post, I do not really mind, as I often lose clients anyway from taking months and even years off to work on my books and other projects. The clients I want to work with - or spirit wants me to work with - in the longterm tend to stick with me, and I've been reading for many people for up to 14 years on and off (not psychic addicts - but people who check in regularly or semi-regularly over the years, longer in the case of friends and family), and those who don't, I wish only that they either find a place in their lives where they are happy not getting readings, or find other readers they connect with better than me.
I was only made aware of this forum last night via email but it's my understanding that this forum is public, archived in google searches, and can be accessed by anyone, so bear that in mind, and do not consider this post a violation into confidence or privacy. If any reader chooses to google their own name, then it will link to this forum. I was sent a link to this last night but later on I tested this and when I googled my own name it did link here. Between that and the person who is sending these links, some readers are probably aware of this so be aware that other readers less ethical than I may indeed be viewing these pages and using the info. It might be best if you guys find a way of speaking in code or not releasing info that could connect back to the readers you used, your member names, or readings, to ensure privacy and accuracy. Remember as well, when you post things online, it tends to spread - the internet is not known for being private or confidential, especially as google links this to the site names and reader names.
I prefer to come out into the open once I was made away of the thread last night, first by messaging Blessing39 and then by requesting to register here.

Sorry for the rather long posts!

Wishing you all the best and I hope you all have a wonderful 2014. In the end, remember life is a journey - not a destination, we're here for a short time so make the best of it!

posted January 20, 2014 09:27 AM            

And this is how drama starts.... SMH. I did not bring you into anything. The person who sent him the link to this forum did. When he read what I posted he also read what you posted and everyone else as well. So, that had nothing to do with me. He read what we ALL posted before I even knew what was going on myself. I certainly did not say, "look what cheerful posted about you." I spoke about/for myself only.

Also, he did/would not tell me who sent him the link. But even if he did and I confronted that person, he still would "rebut" or respond to what we have said, because again, he already had access to the link before I knew about any of this. He told me he was going to respond in first message he sent me about this I think...

I know readers can came in at any time and this is an open form. However, I do agree that this dramatic incident is unfortunate, as now some might not feel comfortable leaving reviews any longer. It's almost as though the little circle of trust we have created over the last year has been tainted a bit. I don't know. I also agree that the purpose of this thread should not be for us to go back and forth with readers. We simply shouldn't have to.

posted January 20, 2014 09:36 AM            

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@Cherful24, there's only two clients I can in anyway match to what you claim. I have a very good idea by your energy who you are, but as I don't want to accuse you of anything or release the member name publicly, even though you did that to me, and as I could be wrong on who you are, I will state them both (without revealing personal names, member names, or very specific information, other than the bare facts of what I was accused of getting wrong or in the second case what resulted).

The first is a client who spent only $5 and left a negative review but never completed the reading and wrote in the review that there sole intention of doing the reading was to leave a negative review. I did actually pick up on this situation wrong according to the client, and I admit it. I told her I did not see a romantic future with the man, and she said he had men for that and didn't need that. Whether that's picking up on the situation wrong (as I was right about him not wanting her for romantic purposes), or failing to pick up on what she was asking about the man (friendship versus relationship), is open to debate, and I admit this client did say I was wrong. But it felt like they only spent $5 (and only added $5 and clicked out after a minute with no intention of spending longer even before I began the reading properly) was to leave a review. This was investigated by the site and removed due to its blackmailing nature and the client was refunded as a gesture of goodwill by me as well as it felt like we got off on the wrong foot, with a reading of only a minute or 2. But the client only spent $5, received a refund, and did not spend $350. This only connects with me with what you are saying about a feedback being removed and it is the ONLY time one of my feedbacks has been removed by me or Bitwine (in two other cases, clients who left me negative feedback saying predictions didn't come true later retracted these when they did come true, but this is the only case where a feedback of mine was removed. You probably all won't believe that but it's true.)

As for the second client this case reminds me of, this is one who spent over $300, and most closely matches what you say, this resulted in a Paypal chargeback with her bank for credit card fraud - as it was proved she stole or used that card without permission, that stole the original $300 from the readings and charged me another $100 in fees. So all in all I lost $400 and my time. I told this client they did commit bad Karma by committing fraud and stealing the readings, and I standby that, if the intention to steal was there from the beginning, the reading could very well have been inaccurate - but I never said they deserved bad things happening to them. Also, the chargeback and the credit card fraud happened within weeks of the reading, but only a year later did they have the audacity to come back, despite stealing this money, and claim my predictions were wrong. I have full records of this but I won't reveal the client name here - again, to have ethics and respect this client, even though they did commit fraud.

Cherful even though you have publicly accused me of sending you messages wishing you bad things, I am not accusing you of being either of these two clients - but the details you have pasted here about me are the only two clients I can match this up with, particularly the second due to the amount and the year later and karma comment.
If you are not either of these two clients, please do message me via my Bitwine page and I can review the transcripts. You may also choose to contact Bitwine instead. I may indeed have been wrong on your situation and if you are not either of these two aforementioned clients then I do apologise strenuously for getting this wrong for you, all I can do is tell people what I see, and of course I will get things wrong from time to time, no reader is infallible (even though they might claim to be). You really should have made me aware of this sooner though, not after dozens of readings, as anyone can claim I was wrong all along and they just found out just to get their money back (many people do try this), and also I do operate a no refund policy, I don't guarantee results (only God can) unlike some readers. Also, I would never tell someone they deserved the bad things that happened to them. In both the above cases, I may have said bad karma could result from those actions and certainly in the first case I did accuse the client of trying to damage my reputation as they did pay $5 simply to post a bad review. But I did not wish bad things on either of these people. No matter how angry or upset a client gets with me, it is not in my nature to say something so vindictive.

Having said all that, however, if your case is genuine, I will do my best to come to a resolution with you. Please contact me via the Bitwine messaging system if you are not either of these clients and me and Bitwine will review your case in a professional manner, so as neither of us are airing any more dirty laundry here so to speak.

And yes, I do like to mention my sister's marriage, it's one of those early predictions I made when I was quite young that I'm quite proud of when she did marry the man I predicted she would all those years ago. I've successfully predicted other marriages as well but I tend to mention that story a lot because she's my sister and it's a happy memory for me, plus I mention the cards she got, to illustrate how probable a prediction is - if you only get some of those cards, a marriage is possible, but if you get all of them a marriage is more than probable. She was my first marriage prediction as a reader and her case history in the cards has proved very valuable in similar predictions over the years.

Blessings
Jonah

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posted January 20, 2014 09:41 AM            

"Please contact me via the Bitwine messaging system if you are not either of these clients and me and Bitwine will review your case in a professional manner, so as neither of us are airing any more dirty laundry here so to speak."

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@Cherful24, there's only two clients I can in anyway match to what you claim. I have a very good idea by your energy who you are, but as I don't want to accuse you of anything or release the member name publicly, even though you did that to me, and as I could be wrong on who you are, I will state them both (without revealing personal names, member names, or very specific information, other than the bare facts of what I was accused of getting wrong or in the second case what resulted).

The first is a client who spent only $5 and left a negative review but never completed the reading and wrote in the review that there sole intention of doing the reading was to leave a negative review. I did actually pick up on this situation wrong according to the client, and I admit it. I told her I did not see a romantic future with the man, and she said he had men for that and didn't need that. Whether that's picking up on the situation wrong (as I was right about him not wanting her for romantic purposes), or failing to pick up on what she was asking about the man (friendship versus relationship), is open to debate, and I admit this client did say I was wrong. But it felt like they only spent $5 (and only added $5 and clicked out after a minute with no intention of spending longer even before I began the reading properly) was to leave a review. This was investigated by the site and removed due to its blackmailing nature and the client was refunded as a gesture of goodwill by me as well as it felt like we got off on the wrong foot, with a reading of only a minute or 2. But the client only spent $5, received a refund, and did not spend $350. This only connects with me with what you are saying about a feedback being removed and it is the ONLY time one of my feedbacks has been removed by me or Bitwine (in two other cases, clients who left me negative feedback saying predictions didn't come true later retracted these when they did come true, but this is the only case where a feedback of mine was removed. You probably all won't believe that but it's true.)

As for the second client this case reminds me of, this is one who spent over $300, and most closely matches what you say, this resulted in a Paypal chargeback with her bank for credit card fraud - as it was proved she stole or used that card without permission, that stole the original $300 from the readings and charged me another $100 in fees. So all in all I lost $400 and my time. I told this client they did commit bad Karma by committing fraud and stealing the readings, and I standby that, if the intention to steal was there from the beginning, the reading could very well have been inaccurate - but I never said they deserved bad things happening to them. Also, the chargeback and the credit card fraud happened within weeks of the reading, but only a year later did they have the audacity to come back, despite stealing this money, and claim my predictions were wrong. I have full records of this but I won't reveal the client name here - again, to have ethics and respect this client, even though they did commit fraud.

Cherful even though you have publicly accused me of sending you messages wishing you bad things, I am not accusing you of being either of these two clients - but the details you have pasted here about me are the only two clients I can match this up with, particularly the second due to the amount and the year later and karma comment.
If you are not either of these two clients, please do message me via my Bitwine page and I can review the transcripts. You may also choose to contact Bitwine instead. I may indeed have been wrong on your situation and if you are not either of these two aforementioned clients then I do apologise strenuously for getting this wrong for you, all I can do is tell people what I see, and of course I will get things wrong from time to time, no reader is infallible (even though they might claim to be). You really should have made me aware of this sooner though, not after dozens of readings, as anyone can claim I was wrong all along and they just found out just to get their money back (many people do try this), and also I do operate a no refund policy, I don't guarantee results (only God can) unlike some readers. Also, I would never tell someone they deserved the bad things that happened to them. In both the above cases, I may have said bad karma could result from those actions and certainly in the first case I did accuse the client of trying to damage my reputation as they did pay $5 simply to post a bad review. But I did not wish bad things on either of these people. No matter how angry or upset a client gets with me, it is not in my nature to say something so vindictive.

Having said all that, however, if your case is genuine, I will do my best to come to a resolution with you. Please contact me via the Bitwine messaging system if you are not either of these clients and me and Bitwine will review your case in a professional manner, so as neither of us are airing any more dirty laundry here so to speak.

And yes, I do like to mention my sister's marriage, it's one of those early predictions I made when I was quite young that I'm quite proud of when she did marry the man I predicted she would all those years ago. I've successfully predicted other marriages as well but I tend to mention that story a lot because she's my sister and it's a happy memory for me, plus I mention the cards she got, to illustrate how probable a prediction is - if you only get some of those cards, a marriage is possible, but if you get all of them a marriage is more than probable. She was my first marriage prediction as a reader and her case history in the cards has proved very valuable in similar predictions over the years.

Blessings
Jonah

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posted January 20, 2014 10:28 AM            

I am very irritated by all this.

posted January 20, 2014 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by SophiaFrank:
Wow, that's all I can say. I am not deleting anything I've had to say about any of these readers on bitwine. I've given my honest reviews on these readings and what happened. I am not changing a thing. I have put alot of information on this board and the funny part is you can tell when a psychic knows about this board because I do mean word for word one in particular said the exact words I said on here and I immediately came right back to this board and looked to see..so now I can't trust them. I've pretty much put enough info to be identified by several psychics. Although I still don't understand "why" someone would send the link..I feel I am intune enough to know who it was because this person always jumps on here "bashing" some of us addicts and likes to the stir the pot anyway. I mean come on think about it. I guess it really doesn't even matter but I hope this pushes several of us to really delete bitwine accounts and ect. Clearly some people can't be trusted.

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Agreed. This whole situation is ridiculous and messy. I don't understand why links were given and I do not understand why people's personal business is being discussed. It's just all too much.

posted January 20, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by SophiaFrank:
Wow, that's all I can say. I am not deleting anything I've had to say about any of these readers on bitwine. I've given my honest reviews on these readings and what happened. I am not changing a thing. I have put alot of information on this board and the funny part is you can tell when a psychic knows about this board because I do mean word for word one in particular said the exact words I said on here and I immediately came right back to this board and looked to see..so now I can't trust them. I've pretty much put enough info to be identified by several psychics. Although I still don't understand "why" someone would send the link..I feel I am intune enough to know who it was because this person always jumps on here "bashing" some of us addicts and likes to the stir the pot anyway. I mean come on think about it. I guess it really doesn't even matter but I hope this pushes several of us to really delete bitwine accounts and ect. Clearly some people can't be trusted.

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posted January 20, 2014 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
In a way this helps with the breaking of the addication...I hope, at least for me!

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posted January 20, 2014 11:00 AM            

I am also confused...he said he first heard about the link through you....

...wouldn't he have heard it first through the person that sent him the link to your reading?

"I prefer to come out into the open once I was made away of the thread last night, first by messaging Blessing39 and then by requesting to register here"

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Originally posted by blessed39:
Cherful24, did you by chance read my response to your concern directed towards me?

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posted January 20, 2014 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
Yes, I did. Like I said, I am not trying to be rude towards you.

I am also confused...he said he first heard about the link through you....

...wouldn't he have heard it first through the person that sent him the link to your reading?

"I prefer to come out into the open once I was made away of the thread last night, first by messaging Blessing39 and then by requesting to register here"

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posted January 20, 2014 11:04 AM            

Hello again XXXXXX,

Another client (who I will not name) just emailed me a link to a forum posting where you posted the message I sent you but neglected to mention I gave you the readings free. Seems a bit unfair, and some of the things being written on that page - wow! I'm sure you'll go ahead and post this there too. Thank you for responding to my honesty and generosity by acting this way. How many readers do you know who would give you a free reading? You may not have liked what you heard but if you're going to paste my messages across a public forum at least have the decency not to edit them down to remove the fact you did not pay for the reading.

posted January 20, 2014 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by blessed39:
I stopped reading what he wrote after he started talking about stolen cards. How about I post the messages and allow that to speak for itself.

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posted January 20, 2014 11:10 AM            

However, it appears you might be married to the idea that I have in someway brought you into this. If that is the case, so be it. I can't control your perception.

posted January 20, 2014 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by lilacbreeze:
@cherful - from that little part, it looks like he was referring to "coming out in the open" about knowing about this thread - and he did that by first emailing her and then requesting to join the forum. I don't think he meant that she was the one who sent the link.

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posted January 20, 2014 11:17 AM            

@Sofia - so a reader used the info you posted here during your reading? As in, they used it to convince you that they were connecting to your situation?

posted January 20, 2014 11:23 AM            

re-read my email to you.......I said "correct me if I am wrong" but you didn't until now.

so apparently... and correct me if I'm wrong.... you been having discussing the situation with him and now he's going to come on to leave his response so now you're bringing me into the situation, and as you can see I left comments about my reading and I actually left one directly for you about it him....so now I feel like I will need to defend myself and my review when he and any other psychic he might tell that we're leaving reviews for them.

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Originally posted by blessed39:
As I found myself getting mad, because I deplore this kind of stuff, I couldn't help but to start laughing. How ridiculous this all is. SMH. At any rate... No, I did not tell Jonah about this forum. I have no reason to. That would be flat out stupid and unnecessary. Again, I was brought in this just as you were.

However, it appears you might be married to the idea that I have in someway brought you into this. If that is the case, so be it. I can't control your perception.

But I bet the person who DID send the link is licking their chops watching as all the drama unfolds.

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posted January 20, 2014 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
Whoever sent him the link....he then would know about this forum. I don't think she would send him a link and then complain about someone sending it, here on this forum. I am annoyed that people would discuss this forum in any matter...I wouldn't email back a psychic who wanted to talk about this forum....but again as I said in my post to her, I get why she did it... so she can clarify herself and her position.

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"She" is right here. **Waves hand**

I responded because he addressed ME about something **I** posted. I felt I was well within my right to provide a response for myself. I never discussed you or anyone else on the forum. Just myself. Again, he had access to what we all said before I even read his initial message to me about all this.

posted January 20, 2014 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
Blessed---

re-read my email to you.......I said "correct me if I am wrong" but you didn't until now.

so apparently... and correct me if I'm wrong.... you been having discussing the situation with him and now he's going to come on to leave his response so now you're bringing me into the situation, and as you can see I left comments about my reading and I actually left one directly for you about it him....so now I feel like I will need to defend myself and my review when he and any other psychic he might tell that we're leaving reviews for them.

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