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Topic: Am I seeing this correctly? Composite Sun Conjunct Venus
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dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 01:32 PM
Hey Everyone, I just wanted any chart professionals to help me see the karmic indicators in my composite chart. Also please feel free to share anything else that you may see when looking at chart. I appreciate all thoughts. And thanks!! IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 01:35 PM
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dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 02:05 PM
Planet Aspect Planet Orb Sun Conjunction Mercury 4.51 Sun Conjunction Venus 5.78 Sun Quincunx Jupiter 0.82 Sun Trine Saturn 7.50 Sun Conjunction Lilith 1.54 Sun Trine True Node 1.32 Sun Conjunction Ascendant 2.87 Sun Square Midheaven 2.92 Moon Trine Mars 2.12 Moon Sextile Neptune 2.28 Moon Trine Pluto 1.56 Moon Square Chiron 6.81 Mercury Conjunction Sun 4.51 Mercury Conjunction Venus 1.27 Mercury Quincunx Jupiter 5.33 Mercury Conjunction Lilith 2.97 Mercury Trine P. of Fortune 0.04 Mercury Square Midheaven 1.58 Venus Conjunction Sun 5.78 Venus Conjunction Mercury 1.27 Venus Quincunx Chiron 5.75 Venus Trine P. of Fortune 1.23 Venus Square Midheaven 2.86 Mars Trine Moon 2.12 Mars Sextile Neptune 0.15 Mars Conjunction Pluto 0.56 Mars Quincunx Chiron 4.68 Jupiter Quincunx Sun 0.82 Jupiter Quincunx Mercury 5.33 Jupiter Quincunx Lilith 2.36 Jupiter Quincunx Ascendant 2.05 Jupiter Sextile Midheaven 3.74 Saturn Trine Sun 7.50 Saturn Square Pluto 5.73 Saturn Trine Vertex 0.55 Saturn Trine Ascendant 4.62 Uranus Opposition Chiron 5.02 Uranus Quincunx P. of Fortune 1.96 Uranus Trine Midheaven 3.59 Neptune Sextile Moon 2.28 Neptune Sextile Mars 0.15 Neptune Sextile Pluto 0.72 Neptune Quincunx Chiron 4.53 Pluto Trine Moon 1.56 Pluto Conjunction Mars 0.56 Pluto Square Saturn 5.73 Pluto Sextile Neptune 0.72 Pluto Quincunx Chiron 5.25 Chiron Square Moon 6.81 Chiron Quincunx Venus 5.75 Chiron Quincunx Mars 4.68 Chiron Opposition Uranus 5.02 Chiron Quincunx Neptune 4.53 Chiron Quincunx Pluto 5.25 Lilith Conjunction Sun 1.54 Lilith Conjunction Mercury 2.97 Lilith Quincunx Jupiter 2.36 Lilith Trine True Node 0.22 Lilith Square Midheaven 1.38 True Node Trine Sun 1.32 True Node Trine Lilith 0.22 P. of Fortune Trine Mercury 0.04 P. of Fortune Trine Venus 1.23 P. of Fortune Quincunx Uranus 1.96 Vertex Trine Saturn 0.55 Ascendant Conjunction Sun 2.87 Ascendant Quincunx Jupiter 2.05 Ascendant Trine Saturn 4.62 Ascendant Square Midheaven 5.80 Midheaven Square Sun 2.92 Midheaven Square Mercury 1.58 Midheaven Square Venus 2.86 Midheaven Sextile Jupiter 3.74 Midheaven Trine Uranus 3.59 Midheaven Square Lilith 1.38 Midheaven Square Ascendant 5.80
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calliope23 Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 18, 2013 07:55 PM
So I jussssssst started to learn about composite charts, but there is a thread going in Astrology 2.0 about the most loving relationships in your life having a Sun-Mercury-Venus stellium. I've looked at several charts of my own, and the only place I have this stellium is with the one person I do totally feel a deep, ethereal bond with (albeit not a romantic/sexual one). You definitely have this stellium in your composite chart! The other cool thing is that Mars is also reallllly close to your stellium. I'm not sure if it makes a difference since it actually isn't aspecting (well..depending on your definition of conjunct) any of the planets in it, but in my composite with the person I was talking about we have Sun-Mercury-Mars stellium opposite Venus--basically the love stellium, plus Mars (Venus aspecting Sun in several ways, including opposite where ours is, is same as Sun conjunct Venus). For my composite chart, at least, I think Mars adds a true understanding of motivating passions between me and my composite person (again, since it's not a sexual relationship there is none of Mars' fiery libido)...your Mars is also conjunct the last planet (Venus) in your stellium, depending on if you count up to 10 degrees as conjunct. What I do know for sure is your Mars is conjunct Pluto. Maybe this might add some sense of destruction/creation and "fatal attraction" to the relationship (but in a less consuming, more surface way....like love/hate [Libra ruling indecision and vagary, and this aspect is in Libra]...if that is possibly even healthy, haha) through your passion/shared passion with this person (sexually speaking, constant "make up sex" might be your MO if it's romantic....or if you're just friends, maybe you butt heads on what drives you two, but it is also something deeply and mutually understood that propels your relationship forward). You might also love this person deeply at certain times, but at others be totally thrown off by him/her or your feelings for him/her because of his/her actions or your own fickleness when it comes to relationships? The fact that Mars also (possibly) conjuncts Venus can add to this "aggravation" you feel toward each other, but what perfect couple doesn't experience this? Again, I'm not expert when it comes to any of this, but maybe you can check out the thread I'm talking about and find some more insight to your chart: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209763.html All in all, I hope I can find a romantic partner with the love stellium plus Mars aspecting in some way just based on the love I have and the mutual trust and respect shared in my relationship with the person whose composite chart I share I was referring to. Seems like a match made in heaven I'd love to know if any others are thinking similarly in regard to my assessment also...it would really help me out with learning this stuff IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 08:58 PM
@ calliope23 I want to first thank-you for your insight. I did notice the Venus sun stellium. I think because his Moon Square my Mars is where the strong physical and sexual attraction between us came into play. We had our intense moments, I mean when he came around me I would become real fidgety, couldn't keep my legs still and I noticed that when i came around him. He would do the same thing he couldn't control the need to tap his feet, he became fidgety and nervous. We were never imitate and I thought sense we felt it yet never gave into those urges then this is where the tendency to frustrate each other and rouse each other's wrath came into play. Although the attraction between us was powerful, because we wasn't acting on it I noticed that the tendency to argue and nag each other came into play as well. Due to his his Moon Conjunct my Uranus I noticed our feelings towards each other would change quickly and we often reacted to each other rather impulsively. When the mood was right, we found each other sexually irresistible, but at other times we could get on each other's nerves. Mutual friends would say that we fell in and out of love on a monthly basis! Due to this aspect alone Sun Conjunct Venus whatever friction, dissonance, or ill will that developed between us, there was an urge to harmonize, reconcile, and ease our differences, and to create cooperation.I felt that it would take a lot for the two of us to ever turn against each other entirely. I just pray that this is even more true now than ever before. Past reading often told me that he felt confused about his feelings toward me I felt that this aspect Moon Sesquiquadrate Mercury was at work causing him to feel confused. I often thought this aspect is Moon Sextile Neptune is often why i dreamed of him so much. Can you please elaborate on this aspect Moon Trine Pluto. I blame Sun Conjunct Mercury for his sudden detachment to me or maybe I have this wrong. IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 09:01 PM
Is this true the aspect Sun trine Saturn is a indicator for long-lasting friendships/relationshipsIP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 6358 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 18, 2013 09:48 PM
Good job dye dye )))You have been reading those aspect descriptions I see!!! You used a lot of the wording they use to describe those aspects. Very very nice. ! You've definitely got the hang of this. To answer the other person's question about mars conjuncting the stellium. THE MORE PLANETS CONJUNCT a love stellium the better! as long as it is not uranus or saturn. In fact many fated friendships and relationships lack a love stellium but have a big cluster of the composite planets conjunct in a stellium. Now the ideal thing is that thered'd be a love stellium in that cluster or at least sun conjunct venus since it signifies true love, but my point is that the more planets in a stellium in the composite the more the two people feel like they belong together. You will find this written all iver the web. what is the best kind of composite to have? one that is not scattered. one where all the planets are conjunct each other. to answer ur question no mars is not conjunct the love stellium in this case, but since in astrology everything is "gradual" I feel that a mars and Pluto CLOSE to the stellium means a more powerful relationship than if they were far apart. For example you can see Michael Gauquelin's research which shows how astrology is about patterns that deal with the general area of clusters of planets in a chart and how that pattern changes gradually. Now, what happens when mars conjunct a love stellium? Well mars conjunct any planet in the composite EXCITES feelings. You will se this explained in astro.com's astro-click partner. What mars does is it gives intensity to whatever feelings already exist. So if ur angry with each other, u are Really angry. If u love each other u Really feel that love intensely. Mars is also kinda fun.....it makes a relationship energetic and needing a goal....needing ambitions. You get to work together and complete projects with great enthusiasm when mars is prominent in the composite. The same happens when a love stellium is opposite mars, except of course it leads to more friction. But since it's the opposition a balance can be reached. Now the mars squares are the ones you kinda have to watch out for. Especially when mars squares the outer planets in either composite or synastry (you will see this written in both cafeastrology and astro-click partne mr on astro.com) because it means underlying tension between you that finally explodes one day and might even be so bad that it causes physical violence. So yes, mars conjunct a love stellium will certainly make things fun and exciting for you both. Not only will you be more energetic, enthusiastic, and with a clear goal in mind when together but ull have a lot more passion. ------------------ True to my aqua north node, I'll always pick the choice nobody expected me to pick. ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readings | Ideal compatibility (3rd post) | Q&A | What's a Love stellium? | Most important aspects descriptions | Aspects to avoid IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 6358 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 18, 2013 09:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by dyedye08: Is this true the aspect Sun trine Saturn is a indicator for long-lasting friendships/relationships
Right. I'm guessing you saw it said that on astro-click portrait? Yes indeed composite sun trine Saturn means your friendship will become a stable one. It does not indicate how LoNg u will be friends, but it does indicate that you will be able to depend on each other and know exactly where u stand with each other, as well as see each other frequently for at least a long while. It gives a willingness from both people to commit more easily to the relationship. And it makes them want to be there for that person whenever they can. It adds a sense of responsibility to that person...but it comes out of love and friendship. It comes from the heart. Unlike the square or opposition where it comes from "feeling bad" or guilty ------------------ True to my aqua north node, I'll always pick the choice nobody expected me to pick. ebay compatibility readings | testimonials | Past readings | Ideal compatibility (3rd post) | Q&A | What's a Love stellium? | Most important aspects descriptions | Aspects to avoid IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:09 PM
@ RunAroundScreaming. Thank -You for your insight. I'm trying, I'm new to astrology. Now in regards to the Sun Trine Saturn you mentioned that this was a good aspect when you see each other. Well him and I use to work together but we got laid off over a month ago. I want to post his progressed chart and I would love if you could take a look at it and share your thoughts. Since we don't work together anymore he has become so detach he stop responding to my texts and calls. His Progressed Chart IP: Logged |
calliope23 Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 18, 2013 10:15 PM
I know there are several different ways to calculate composite charts as far as Venus/Mercury and MC, but like I said…I’m no expert and just got into this, so I really only have/use the basic understanding/method of composite charts being calculated by using midpoints in both individual charts, thereby creating an entirely new chart on its own…that chart being your “relationship” rather than elementally simply you or him transposed onto a compendious wheel. Two things: 1) I’ve read glimmerings of certain planets being more someone else’s (for example you say the Moon in your chart is his, the Uranus is yours), and I haven’t gotten that far in my research or understanding of composites yet to speak to who might be feel one planet more over the other. 2) You may, however, be talking about your synastry chart in the terms of his Moon/your Uranus, in which case I really cannot say anything because I haven’t even dabbled in that yet. I’m sure there are many other knowledgeable people around here who can help you out with that though ☺ That being said, you asked about two things which I can’t TOTALLY elaborate on, but I can say a few things about with my current working knowledge. Moon trine Pluto: First, trines are more powerful in synastry as far as I know, and not really in composite charts (powerful aspects in composites are conjunction, square, and opposites). Regardless, Moon trine Pluto will inevitably will lead to a deeply felt and deeply powerful sense of attachment in any situation (just maybe not as powerful a presence in terms of what else is going on in your composite). Moon deals with intimate feelings and emotions, and Pluto with the underworld, the hidden, the non-demonstrative…This leads to power struggles in your intimacy, even with the positive aspect between the two (probably why you often feel fidgety/nervous/frustrated and unable to act on your frenetic energy…also your Sun-Saturn trine makes the composite duo not real big on risk-taking…hence your hesitancy to make a move, and subsequent frustration/wrath, impulsive outbursts, what have you with all this energy but no viable outlet for it). I would think another power struggle issue would be that one person always felt as if the other was hiding (Pluto) something or keeping something from him/her in terms of emotions (Moon)….and Moon square Mars also leads to an inclination toward volatile words…I definitely know what can be said when one person feels threatened that the other is not as invested as the other in the relationship, haha (i.e. being honest and open and sharing everything typically being a sign of deep commitment…battling jealousy). I’m just going to throw it out there that it was probably you who felt this since Moon tends to be take on a feminine embodiment in charts. Did you maybe start to express a heightened amount of possessiveness in lieu of revealing your fear of him keeping secrets or you ultimately losing him? Or did he do this to you (if indeed you feel the Moon was his in your chart)? The fear of losing one another could also have been more fluid given your Venus-Mars conjunction lending to the overarching love-hate characteristic I was talking about…plus this conjunction happens on the cusp of Virgo-Libra, and Virgos strong need for analysis and order (Venus here: compartmentalizing love, needing to know Mars (male) is there and dependable), versus Libra’s characteristic indecision (Mars: impulsive, war-like, can’t give Venus (female) the stability she needs). I guess the more I look into it the more I see this relationship as deeply and intensely passionate in a way you both know that you have something you’ll never experience again, and the inability to reconcile that positive reality with a nagging sense of protecting it or one another becoming a burden and too “heavy” or exhausting given the power of the emotion present. Your Mercury opposite Saturn also lends to this: communication is painful as pulling teeth…but it also is sort of like you both already see the glass as half-empty before it even began. If you could both just adopt a more positive outlook on the situation rather than immediately bending to all the “weight” other aspects and planets contribute, maybe you’d be able to get past this. I’ve always heard that knowing the detrimental aspects in your chart can allow you to understand, internalize, and move past them since you are aware of them and can proactively act against whatever might drag you down. The good news is that I don’t think the Sun conjunct Mercury is to blame for his “sudden detachment”—I think many of these other factors I’ve pointed out are in play, and the Merc conj. Sun actually rather lends a very gratuitous hand in a “marriage of the minds” aspect here. I bet you’re both very rational about the relationship you share—I think Moon/Pluto justs get in the way maybe? Or other things? I’ll stop here. This was long. I hope you don’t think this was horrible and negative! I just wanted to point some things out that could be enlightening on where to go fro here and how to turn possible negatives into positives if you can be aware of them ☺
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calliope23 Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 18, 2013 10:30 PM
I'm embarrassed....I've been reading the first chart posted on this thread. I thought that was what you were asking about. IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:32 PM
@ calliope23 WOW!!! i THINK YOU SHOULD GIVE YOURSELF A LOT MORE CREDIT; YOU ARE GOOD. What happened is he confided in a mutual friend. He told her he had feelings for me since the very beginning that he had always liked me, thought I was attractive and wanted to date me. What happened is a lot of other co-workers knew his wife and brought him a lot of attention for being me friend. Hence why our friendship never turned into anything more. He would tell me that he loved me , but I didn't really think he was serious. After we got laid off, I text him asking him about what th mutual friend had told me what he said about liking me. He denied everything. I don't know why. Past reading always said he was confused about his feelings for me. So, afterwards he stopped texting me, stop answering my calls. Sun-Saturn trine hesitancy to make a move I see this aspect at work now that I think back.IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:34 PM
@ calliope23 The first and second chart are the same they are both the composites. So you were right when looking at the first chart. The 3rd chart is his progressed chartIP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:41 PM
@ calliope23 You were right me being the moon. I always felt he was hiding his true feelings for me and I was afraid that I would loose him. I need help. I have e-mailed him not really discussing feelings because he never would discuss that he had feelings for me. I don't know why he felt the need to lie its quite obvious that he did. He was a funny guy he would one day tell me he love me, next day admit he like me and third day deny it. What is a girl to do, when he is obviously confused. he has no idea we have a Pluto Relationship. I wanted to tell him about this karmic connection in hopes to help shed some light so he wouldn't be so confused, but I'm afraid I don't know how to tell him. I mean I could e-mail him but I don't want him taking i'm making this up and i'm desperate to have him in my life. Any suggestionsIP: Logged |
calliope23 Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 18, 2013 10:45 PM
Well, I have to say you mentioned one thing in your post that really pulled everything together for me. You said "his wife"...is he currently married? This makes sense for the type of relationship you share that I've made observations on (the whole hidden, unable to act on, volatile as far as emotions go)...and unfortunately, I think it could also explain his silence. Marriage is a very, very precious and protected (and clumsy and confusing!) institution in our society, and even if he did feel the same thing you felt for him, I can't help but to imagine that the fact that he is married hindered him from doing anything about those emotions or keeping in contact after you were both no longer in each other's daily lives. It may have given him the space he needed to realize....he couldn't do that to his wife.IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:45 PM
One Aspect that stands out for me is that Pluto is in Scorpio in my birth chart . Both of our character numbers (9) and lifepath number (7) are the same. The both of us are quite similar in many ways, both thinkers and analyzers, quite spiritual and very protective of your respective space. What's confusing me is the stick ability; both synastry and composite show good aspects but we don't work together anymore. For the life of me, I don't know if the aspects shown in synastry and composite are fading for him. . Our major issues have always been: Control, jealousy , Competitiveness and Possessiveness which is common for a Pluto Relationship. IP: Logged |
dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 18, 2013 10:51 PM
@ calliope23 I don't doubt that for one second! I'm married too and I'm confused. Here I am feelings all these feelings for this guy. But I honestly, never asked him to make a move with me or leave his wife for me. No, I never wanted that. In the e-mails I sent him all they ever talked about was friendship and how I seen him as a friend and thats all I wanted fromIP: Logged |
calliope23 Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted February 19, 2013 12:19 AM
Hmm…well I’m going to try to remain objective now knowing the backstory. Here are some things that immediately stand out in his progressed chart:1) Neptune conjunct Sun (Scorpio 2H/3H): sense of reality changing 2H—that which we own (not only material things, but also we own our inner needs and wants/emotions). 3H communication/intelligence: Identity crisis—Neptune being illusion and confusion, and conjunct Sun, which is the core of our being and essence (this makes sense in your situation). Trying to understand the self (Sun). Time of inner turmoil. 2) Pluto conjunct Uranus in Leo (Leo being ruler of 3rd house and, so, affected by this Neptune transit): Unforgettable awakening/wanting to rebel, but weighing consequences. Search for meaning. Uranus is electric/full of change, and Pluto is (again) the secret/what is beneath—Uranus also deals with enlightenment and profound realization. This is totally pulling on your situation, but it could mean pondering the “hidden” feelings he had for you and trying to come to terms with them/where to go from here, and whether or not to act on them (forward-thinking Uranus vs. wild abandon/blind urges of Uranus). Leo is in 12H which is interesting because this is a mutable house, and is all about solitude, crises, ordeals undertaken. Another “things we cannot see”/invisible dangers/or even just a tumultuous subconscious. 3) Moon opposite Saturn: A perpetual problem that surrounds someone. Doubt, fear, deep-rooted cycle of difficulty or neglect. This seems like a more “woe-is-me” situation though, something someone revels and plays martyr in because they come to expect this role. Unhappiness. Again, not sure how objective I was able to remain knowing the situation, but I tried to pull things from my head that I remember about these aspects/houses/planets and how they might all interact in a progressed chart. There are probably tons of positive things or other aspects that could affect the ones I pointed out, but I'm still learning!
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dyedye08 Knowflake Posts: 65 From: South Orange, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 19, 2013 12:36 AM
Then past readings are right. He is definitely going through a lot. Woe is me situation means he is feeling sorry for himself and playing matyr means self scarfice due to feelings of guilt or pity. I appreciate the insight and even more I appreciate you not judging me or the situation. I didn't ask for this to happen, it's a karmic connection. All I want is my friend back, for him I maybe hard for him to just be my friend but I never ask for more than just friendship with him IP: Logged | |