posted April 16, 2013 03:30 AM            

If it's true - what does it mean, or matter? How would it change anything? What real, practical impact would it have? You're married. We're all a little old to believe in happily-ever-after - so, what's the point?

I used to believe it all meant something. There was this big thing I'm here to do, blah-blah-blah, lucid dreams, temporal paradoxes, psychic phenomena - etc. I'm not sure how much of it is apophenia - my powerful subconscious desire - to believe any of it were true. Because the reality is not so bright.

It changes nothing. He's always there, I'm always here. We're not even in the same field since he switched careers. Nothing is holding us together but this show - and I use the term 'together' quite loosely. I don't see the point anymore, frankly, of any of it.

Now, if it's true and he's your twin, then I hope it means something. I hope you don't squander it all, waste your opportunity to do whatever the hell it is you're here to do. But that means I'm also really hoping that you have any sort of relationship at all; preferably, that he's your mentor. Sounds like the right age difference for that.

As for the astrology ... I don't know, to be honest. I'll gladly take a look - I never mind - but I'll leave most of it to RAS, since my own methods have been far too rooted in my own experience (which is frankly a lot of BS) and a few others - which remain undecided. But I'm hopeful.

So, I'm not sure my method means anything at this point. I honestly got to thinking, given what I knew, that if there was such evidence to be found, it was in our synastry and composite. I'd never seen so much 'karmic' configuration and patterning going on. So, failing that - I just don't know.

But I wish you much better luck than I've had myself.

posted April 16, 2013 04:07 AM            

Obviously, the closeness you feel is the stellium of Sun-Merc-Venus. Mars is loosely in there, but tight with Pluto. The Moon's not very involved, though - and trine Pluto. So, again - Mars/Pluto linkages. (This time by way of the Moon.)

Synastrically, you're feeling his Pluto tight to your Sun. That's an intense tie. Guy I shared that with is a homicidal personality who claimed he'd killed me in our last life together. He's probably not lying, honestly. Either way - it's a very 'haunting' connection. Psychic. He was in my head for awhile. Taught me A LOT via those experiences. And boy did I learn what I was made of.

posted April 16, 2013 12:25 PM            

I think that relationship opened my eyes; might've even prepared me for the intense relationship I've had with my husband, who's a companion soul - very close soulmate with whom I have a lot of karma. Prior to that, I was rather terrified of men who'd killed me in the past. Then I ended up having such powerful relationships with most of them. I was clearly, well, clearing karma.

If you'd like to know the nature of these karmic ties, I suggest digging deeper - asteroids, and so on.

A VX-NNode conjunction is interesting to me. The VX is that fated point where we feel out of control; when someone hits it, that's basically how it goes. The NNode is where we're going, so there's a definite 'purpose' for your finding each other.

Question is - what is it? Can you find it? Can you complete it?

Seems my 'partner' and I are a cautionary tale of what not to do. Fantastic. I tried to get to the root of things - revive the friendship, until I realised that it's just impossible for us. Over time, the intensity builds, (all that bloody Scorpio) and we're at each other's throats again, with everything left unsaid and no way to say any of it.

Things can't be that bad between you and the Libran, can they?

posted April 16, 2013 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by dyedye08:
@ Ras and Indigo I would love it if you could both take a look at my synastry chart located on forum in topic love and friendship signs. I do believe we share a karmic connection

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Post the Link to the thread

And IndigoDirae, if u tried everything, then it's not in your hands anymore. <3

posted April 16, 2013 03:43 PM            

Then reality strikes. One or both of you are married. You live thousands of kilometres apart. There are children, or perhaps an illness, involved. No matter what the complications, and there are bound to be plenty, you know that somehow you and your lover must be together. You feel it in your soul. It is a deep and painful longing, a longing no one else in the world can understand unless they, too, have met a karmic lover with a Saturn-Neptune connection. So how does the energy of the Saturn-Neptune connection manifest for the two people currently entangled in such a relationship? So much depends on other factors in their charts and their current circumstances. If they are married to someone else, should they divorce? If they live far apart, should they relocate? These are tough decisions and it could take years of dedication to one another to make happen. Often, one partner is terrified of the other after the initial blissful honeymoon (Neptune) phase. When the reality (Saturn) of the situation strikes this partner, his or her emotions may become unbearable and he/she must close down emotionally out of self-protection. The partner cannot see immediate results emerging out of the connection because it seems so complicated and he/she isn’t sure that they are willing to walk through the fires in order to reach the heavenly love this aspect promises.

The frightened, less evolved partner may even sever the ties. The person willing to break the connection is often the partner who was left behind, who lost his or her only love because this person may have been drastically punished, forced to marry another, or he/she may have taken an oath to never love again. A deep entrenched wound is hindering the growth of this soul. While this soul is hiding and running away from his or her karmic lover, there can be no healing. The scorned lover (the lover who died or was ruined in the past) is once again hurt, grows desolate, and may even give up on living if he or she is not very spiritual. How can something so wonderful, so beautiful and divine come to such an abrupt halt? Why doesn't he or she call? Why the disappearing act? This wounded soul longs to experience the blissful aspects of the relationship and despite the challenging reality of the situation, this soul feels that the end result is well worth the torturous journey that must be taken to get there. A stalemate (Saturn) is reached between the partners, and if Neptune is the weaker planet in the Synastry and in the individual charts, it is likely that there will be no resolution in the current incarnation. However, if Neptune is stronger than Saturn in the Synastry, it is possible that the Neptunian energy can diffuse and permeate Saturn to the point where healing can begin to take place. In this situation, the couple can work together to form a more solid relationship built on spiritual growth, music, healing the self as well as others, inspiring the human race, compassion, and any other activity that grounds (Saturn) the sublime (Neptune) on the earthly plane.

posted April 16, 2013 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
the thing that always boggles my mind when i read the 'i think i found my soul mate/twin flame' threads is that if this person was truly a soul mate/twin flame, wouldn't you be together? perhaps someone can explain this to me because i don't get it at all. how could you think you've found a twin flame/soul mate if they want nothing to do with you?? how is that a strong connection?

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posted April 16, 2013 04:26 PM            

You don't have any Saturn-Neptune, though, dyedye - and be glad for that!

posted April 16, 2013 06:40 PM            

After reading or hearing about twinflames and their perfectly balanced energies, many people think it would be like a fairytale,
the you-find-your-twinflame-and-live-happily-ever-after kind of thing.

It is not.

It is a perfect relationship, but it needs some work from both the partners.

After having been separated from each other literally millions of years ago, both twinflames(of all souls) went through a lot of pain and suffering… and gathered negative emotions in the process.
These take a while to get sorted. And this can be difficult at times.

There are, as I see It, Five main phases of a twinflame relationship.
Everyone understands the twinflame relationship differently… and there are no clear timelines or specific periods for any of these phases.
Each differes for every twinflame couple.
I’m giving you this information so that you can understand this relationship better.
There are no rules. And there is no One-size-fits-all in a Twinflame relationship.
Each relationship will be unique, just like each couple.

Having said that,
Here are the Four main phases that usually resonate with all twinflames in some way.

Phase One – The Preparation
This phase comes BEFORE you meet your twinflame.
But I’m counting it as one of the phases as It is very much a part of your Twinflame relationship.

What happens in this phase -

- Karmic Relationships
There are one or few seriously devastating relationships. These begin with strong emotions and end painfully. These are called Karmic relationships.

– Emptiness and Strong desire for ‘The One’
After you’ve been through the Karmic relationships, you’ll have a very deep yearning or desire to find ‘The One’.
At this point you will desire meeting your perfect love, whose image you will carry in your imagination (or in some cases in Dreams).
This Image is of your Twinflame, although you probably won’t realize it at this point.
This happens because your soul knows your Twinflame is coming!

Phase Two – The Meeting – A Glimpse Of Heaven

This is the phase when you meet your twinflame for the first time (in this incarnation).
You might try to resist at this point but you will fall for him/her anyway.
Then comes a short period of ‘perfection’.
This is what I like to call A Glimpse of Heaven

What happens In this Phase -

- The first meeting
You’ll meet your twinflame in unusual circumstances or at some unexpected place.
[A place where you would not expect meeting your life partner/soulmate]
You’ll find this person somehow ‘special’ at this point. Even though you might not even think of them as a partner.

– The initial attraction
You’ll soon find yourself being attracted to your twinflame.
You might not be ready for a relationship (because of the karmic relationships that you’ve been through) and so you might try to resist this attraction. FEAR OF INTIMATCY, FEAR OF EMOTIONS HENCE SELF-PROTECTION
You’ll fall anyway. Deeply in love.

– A short period of the most ‘Perfect’ relationship that you’ve ever experienced.
After the initial attraction, You’ll find yourself in a deeply romantic relationship.
It will seem perfect in every possible way.
You’ll find all that you want in your partner and much more.

This is what the Twinflame relationship is actually supposed to be like.
And this is what it becomes ( if not better ) after you get through the problems that surface in the next phase.
This short period makes you aware of the perfection of yourself and your twinflame nd brings back the memories that were always deep within you. This makes you want to go through the next phase ( which is a little tough ).
Its like a trailer for what your relationship is going to be in phase four, after the reunion.

Phase three – The Dance – Resolving what is known as the Karma

This is the tough one.
It starts after you’ve been in a relationship with your twinflame for a while.
In this phase, all the accumulated negativity and lower emotions come to surface.
This seems difficult to go through at the human level,
but it is actually a truly divine process in which the Twinflames get deeply cleansed with each other’s help.
This lets them achieve higher energy levels so that they can ascend in bliss together.

This is also the phase where both twinflames get spiritually enlightened…
This is when they search and find the spiritual reality.
If you’re currently in a Twinflame relationship, you’re probably in this phase (As This is the period of time when you usually begin finding information on this).

What Happens in this Phase -

– Arguments / Fights
This phase brings many arguments and fights.
This happens because the negativity that each partner is carrying within (usually at a subconscious level) comes to surface.
The twinflame will reflect this like a mirror and so you’ll think its in them, when in reality its in you.
This begins the deep cleansing process.

- The blame game
Each twinflame sees their own negativity and clutter in their twinflame.
Also, deep seated fears and frustrations surface.
So you think Its happening because of the other and start blaming each other.
You consciously might not realize it but this is clearing all your clutter which is a good thing.

– The runner and the Chaser.
The arguments and the Blaming causes a lot of confusion (because usually the spiritual process is not understood by the conscious mind, as we are conditioned to trust logic more that feeling)

One twinflame, at this point, takes the role of the ‘Runner’ (which is usually the man)
The Runner tries to avoid the partner and runaway from the relationship.
This happens because the runner doesn’t consciously know what is going on and feels like he’s losing control.

The other twinflame, now, becomes what I call the ‘Chaser’ (usually the woman)
The Chaser is spiritually more aware than the runner at some level and tries to ‘chase’ or ‘run after’ the runner.
The chaser usually wants some sort of commitment at this point. This happens as the chaser subconsciously or consciously wants to get over with this tough phase so that both of them can reunite.

The Chaser is deeply shocked and hurt by the ‘running’ and unexpected behavior of the Runner.
This is when they feel the need to understand what really is happening and so they start searching or reading about it.
This usually leads to the enlightenment of the Chaser.

The Runner becomes spiritually enlightened too, either through the chaser’s conscious effort, Or by receiving a ‘Soul Shock’ when the Chaser gives up and goes away from the Runner Twinflame.

The Phase gets stretched longer the more the Runner runs.
Ultimately, the runner does return and the Karma is finally fully resolved.

Phase Four – The Reunion

This is the phase of the reunion.
This is when the split soul becomes One again.
This happens first at the level of the soul and then in the physical plane (Yes, that’s when you get married, unless, as in rare cases your physical reunion is not a part of the plan)

The reunion happens when both the partners are fully aware of the spiritual reality.

Phase Five – Eternal Bliss – Being LOVE

This is the ‘Happily Ever After’ Phase.
Both Twinflames will be fully spiritually aware and enlightened at this time.
There is perfect love and harmony.
The twinflames now enjoy their Sacred love and Intimacy,
and have the power to create whatever they can imagine…

The world truly becomes their canvas… And they paint it with the colors of Love.

posted April 16, 2013 09:26 PM            

You were wrong. You've caused yourself, them, and others close to you, dear to you, to whom you are dear, pain and suffering. You've been selfish, trying to learn a lesson to the detriment of others.

Maybe you learn the lesson. Maybe you don't. Maybe you failed whatever it was, and here you are.

So, I'm tired of believing and hurting. For what? Not only hurting myself, but others. It doesn't matter how much they might 'deserve' it - how it might be part of their karma or not. I'm kind of done with the whole thing.

For me, I think 8 years is enough.

Fortunately, it's only been 3 months for you. Take the time to think. Ask yourself what lesson you're here to learn from this. For me, (in conjunction with preparing for a new role) I think it was to make me realise this underlying pattern I've had with many men for quite some time. He's just the one that got to me - that I somehow couldn't help but let get to me.

I guess I put up with it for as long as I did because of that strange feeling I had - that I couldn't explain, or fully describe. The way he 'got' to me just seemed significant somehow. That I couldn't seem to let him go, no matter how I tried. And, oh, did I try.

It was bizarre. Nonsensical. Crazy. Nobody had EVER been able to do that to me - NOBODY had EVER made me feel it was somehow 'sane' to behave the way I was. To fall in love - or to believe that I was (or to rage against it, which is more honest) in such ludicrous circumstances. I figured it'd HAVE to be SOMETHING.

I'm sure it is. Ironically, his new favourite insult is to call me crazy - and I'm a therapist! HE's the friggin' maniac! But that's beside the point. And while I'm hardly -crazy- I AM 'crazy'. I was sucked into his game, believed his lies, and somehow accepted the poor treatment - and for WAY too long. (Of course any period of time is too long to put up with that.)

I was crazy for hanging on. For thinking this 'soul connection' was somehow a significant thing in my life; that it really, REALLY meant something. That he'd somehow always be in my life - we were inextricably linked or some-such.

Yeah. I know. Crazy.

It seems within the past few days - I've woken up, and, as such, I've given up, too. I don't know what is, or what's real, or if any of it is.

I believe in soulmates, and that we have many. I might believe in twinflames, or twinsouls, or whatever. But I've given up believing that I've found mine - and that I ever will. If he wasn't it, and this wasn't what we were here to do, then f*ck it. I don't know WHAT could possibly be.

And I give up.

posted April 17, 2013 01:29 AM            

I know the story is important. I know bringing awareness is necessary progress. But then I guess that was it. That was ... really, truly, it. I needed him to 'find' it - to create it. Bring it into existence. But, God - he was my partner. He was my best friend - against all damned odds and obstacles. Despite the most ironic circumstances, we were there for each other. We never let each other down. That wasn't easy, either.

Then, like you, I made myself sacrifice for my marriage. (Like I hadn't enough. Anyway.) I was ridiculously happy. We spoke, as usual, everyday - until our batteries died. We were always each other's muse, too, and were in truly rare form.

I felt guilty. I also thought it was kinda the least I could do, considering I'd moved after we'd failed to meet at the airport during a layover he'd gotten for that purpose (that was '08) - and got engaged after we DID meet, (he had a show in LA, and suggested we meet). I guess it was because he'd lied to my face that time - and chickened out of going out for coffee, as he'd invited me to, the following day, as we both knew the topic would come up. I gave up so much hope that day - in March 2010.

So when he DID tell me the truth - day before his birthday, 2011 - ten days prior to my first wedding anniversary, too - I foolishly thought it meant something. After all, it was the one HUGE thing that kept us from ever having a real relationship - not that he's capable. He isn't. But I still thought ... and now, in hindsight, I'm floored I thought that.

It wouldn't have mattered who I married, or how much sense it made, or how I loved my husband. The thought of he and I NEVER being ANYTHING beyond what we were - circumstantially platonic - that was somehow unthinkable. A foregone conclusion. How insane is that!

So I ran like my ass was on fire. From that January on, (it was December 2011) we were really trying. Hell, I thought, maybe, that thing where you're better online would happen. We'd just not click. Nope. Wrong. So, unbelievably, completely wrong. It was seamless. Incredible. We'd average 3.5 hours a night. That was the magic number, for some reason. More than 3, not quite 4.

But October, I'd either gotten it into my head, or, who knows; my husband had made it very clear his already-neediness was turning into full-on resentment because of 'him and the show'. Actually, it'd been there all year. It was just then, nearing my birthday, and after this emotional misunderstanding we'd had in September prompting things to start turning into the first fights we'd ever had - his out-of-the-blue lashing out and saying how he felt like he was married to me - and we hadn't even slept together yet. That I was shaking his foundation, making him question himself and his happiness now that 'for once has his priorities straight' and he wouldn't ever let someone do this to him, and yet, I get away with it constantly - he even invites it. The long story short being that he didn't know how he felt about how close we'd really become now. Maybe that's why I ran. I knew he was afraid, too, damned scared of losing me, but, hey - we were still trying. Much as we could then.

He called everyday, that month and a half. Sometimes twice. Despite his busy schedule, he called. I never answered. I might text. Eventually, my domestic life was so volatile, too, that I'd try and apologise and say I wasn't avoiding him by writing these long, relatively effusive emails every week or so. He'd read every one - and still call me. And I'd still not answer. And send another, days later. He calls them 'my crazy emails' with much disdain.

I think things were finally returning to better footing after we spoke when I finally answered, mid-November.

And he stopped calling.

I'm not joking. He. Stopped. Calling. He'd later say that he'd realised how dependent he'd become and so he'd deliberately stopped calling me. Jesus H. Neither of us want to be 'the one who cares more', you see, so we engage in this battle of who can seem they care less. Sigh.

I'd been winning - until he pulled out ALL the stops in January. After we'd talked it out in December, too. Were really going to try again. (Whatever.)

Suffice it to say, it broke me. And in text, too. (I doubt he could really say these things to my face.) Long and short being he denied everything. Everything. Claiming now that I'D been the one who roped HIM into anything, and that he had just been 'trying to find a polite way' to say that he wanted nothing to do with me outside of being friends - and colleagues.

I was floored. Considering HOW much I NEVER chase ANYONE, we were both drowning in the evidence of his total fabrication. Then he went on to say both a fake reason: I'm crazy, and the real one: he's terrified and we know each other too well for a casual relationship, and don't have any other options. (But he insisted it was the 'I'm crazy' reason. Really glossed over the latter.)

I guess that's when it hit me. Really hit me. That we weren't. We'd been all-or-nothing since the get-go, and 'all' was never an option, so, we're left with 'nothing'.

He kept calling. I kept not answering, until we had a clearing of the air, Valentine's, of all days. The cold war had turned brutal that week. I really hurt him, too. He'd admitted, that back in January, he was really trying to hurt me, too. That when our communication breaks down, he doesn't know how to deal with it and just lashes out. I thought it might be the turning point we both needed. Eh.

The last leg may've been my fault. I was still hurt. Still angry. Even though I was willing, last month, to try getting back to where we were - slowly and with awareness. Full honesty. He kept calling, too.

I just didn't answer. I don't know why.

I think I must've realised a week or two ago that I didn't actually want to see him (as I always have the option, when we drive to Dallas). That it was way too damned complicated and messy and stupid and painful now. Trying to have dinner and pretend like everything's great is arranging those deck chairs on the Titanic. I still remember how he'd finally told me (since the one time we did, the week after he confessed everything to me) that a couple of hours together isn't even worth it. It's too short, and gone in, well, no time. And leaving - God - I'd never been so conflicted about leaving somewhere in my life. Period.

So here we are. Honesty, practicality, civility, a stated mutual desire to get back to what we once were, and ... nothing. He called a handful of times during my trip, complete with 'I'm not bitter' snarky voicemails, regarding my not answering and I ... didn't answer. And he stopped calling. Finally. Hell. I know I deserve it. He's in no way innocent, but I deserve it.

Ever hear the song 'Innocente' by Delerium? Not the techno remix. The real song.

I've never found anything more descriptive of absolutely everything I've felt in this. Nothing. It's ... perfect.

Like, in his backhanded way, he'd complimented me before shattering what was left of me. That I was perfect - his ideal. Then went on to compare me to someone who's beautiful that does or says something you hate so much that you just can't picture sleeping with them. It would be another 5 minutes before he'd kind of admit to it being that a) we're just too close and b) he flies solo with anything being no-strings-attached and 'it'd be extremely difficult for him to have no-strings-attached sex with someone with whom he has so many strings'.

I'd responded with, 'not a problem anymore,' saying they were all duly detached.

I guess I wasn't lying.

posted April 17, 2013 01:51 AM            

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@ starmoon So you are sure you've met before and not only that, you feel as though you may have been lovers at least once in a past life, maybe many times over. When your eyes met for the first time this life, you knew he or she was 'the one'. But wait, the lightning can strike even without seeing each other. In the Age of Aquarius, karmic lovers are meeting on the web without even the benefit of a photograph first. Yet the lightning strike is so powerful, so consuming, so intense, you fall and you fall hard. At first you are floating on air, sky high in your romantic bliss, everything is simply perfect. New vistas of the divine open before you.

Then reality strikes. One or both of you are married. You live thousands of kilometres apart. There are children, or perhaps an illness, involved. No matter what the complications, and there are bound to be plenty, you know that somehow you and your lover must be together. You feel it in your soul. It is a deep and painful longing, a longing no one else in the world can understand unless they, too, have met a karmic lover with a Saturn-Neptune connection. So how does the energy of the Saturn-Neptune connection manifest for the two people currently entangled in such a relationship? So much depends on other factors in their charts and their current circumstances. If they are married to someone else, should they divorce? If they live far apart, should they relocate? These are tough decisions and it could take years of dedication to one another to make happen. Often, one partner is terrified of the other after the initial blissful honeymoon (Neptune) phase. When the reality (Saturn) of the situation strikes this partner, his or her emotions may become unbearable and he/she must close down emotionally out of self-protection. The partner cannot see immediate results emerging out of the connection because it seems so complicated and he/she isn’t sure that they are willing to walk through the fires in order to reach the heavenly love this aspect promises.

The frightened, less evolved partner may even sever the ties. The person willing to break the connection is often the partner who was left behind, who lost his or her only love because this person may have been drastically punished, forced to marry another, or he/she may have taken an oath to never love again. A deep entrenched wound is hindering the growth of this soul. While this soul is hiding and running away from his or her karmic lover, there can be no healing. The scorned lover (the lover who died or was ruined in the past) is once again hurt, grows desolate, and may even give up on living if he or she is not very spiritual. How can something so wonderful, so beautiful and divine come to such an abrupt halt? Why doesn't he or she call? Why the disappearing act? This wounded soul longs to experience the blissful aspects of the relationship and despite the challenging reality of the situation, this soul feels that the end result is well worth the torturous journey that must be taken to get there. A stalemate (Saturn) is reached between the partners, and if Neptune is the weaker planet in the Synastry and in the individual charts, it is likely that there will be no resolution in the current incarnation. However, if Neptune is stronger than Saturn in the Synastry, it is possible that the Neptunian energy can diffuse and permeate Saturn to the point where healing can begin to take place. In this situation, the couple can work together to form a more solid relationship built on spiritual growth, music, healing the self as well as others, inspiring the human race, compassion, and any other activity that grounds (Saturn) the sublime (Neptune) on the earthly plane.

Karmic astrology can help lovers understand the push-pull effect of their karmic relationships. It may not end the pain, it may not sweep away the hollow emptiness left when one karmic lover suddenly deserts the other, but it can help transform the bitterness left bobbing in the wake of abandonment into something much more bittersweet, that of spiritual understanding and acceptance.

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posted April 17, 2013 02:30 AM            

Yep, I'm still here. Same soul, same shiznit, different day.

Man. I'm tired.

posted April 17, 2013 02:36 AM            

My husband and I have the opposition - and, man, is it rough. My whatever-the-hell - we have the square.

I'm not really counting semisextiles in that. Not to say it debunks or disproves the likelihood he's your TF (I make no statements in one direction or another there anymore - soul connection linkages present, and that's it) but it's not the Sat-Nep connection. That's a whole 'nother karmic horse of a different colour.