posted April 20, 2013 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
what plan?
sounds ominous.
BTW you could simply write me a mail, this way I can see you got it.

LOL here the sun is preparing to go to sleep. WEll not now, there is still light outdoor.
God, I love Spring!

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Haha, THAT was my plan. Wasn't it grand? ;p

Yes! Email is wonderful! I can see what time it is where you are and go, 'ah!' as opposed to having no clue.

Here it's sunny and warm with the usual salted sea breeze. Venice is lovely. We're just down the street from the Downeys. I promised the kiddo we'll hit their house on Hallowe'en - if they're in the spirit. We've bet a few pieces of candy whether or not he's Iron Man'd up or not. Hard to tell with him.

One of my lead actors is actually a 95% astrotwin. They're born at the same time, same day - different countries. (Though he's American - military brat.) So much holds true, too. I keep hoping one day they'll get a chance to meet - except I'm not sure a room could contain them.

It's gonna be enough to fit him and my partner in the same space. BIG personalities - one of them Aries, the other double Sag.

posted April 21, 2013 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Haha, THAT was my plan. Wasn't it grand? ;p

Yes! Email is wonderful! I can see what time it is where you are and go, 'ah!' as opposed to having no clue.

Here it's sunny and warm with the usual salted sea breeze. Venice is lovely. We're just down the street from the Downeys. I promised the kiddo we'll hit their house on Hallowe'en - if they're in the spirit. We've bet a few pieces of candy whether or not he's Iron Man'd up or not. Hard to tell with him.

One of my lead actors is actually a 95% astrotwin. They're born at the same time, same day - different countries. (Though he's American - military brat.) So much holds true, too. I keep hoping one day they'll get a chance to meet - except I'm not sure a room could contain them.

It's gonna be enough to fit him and my partner in the same space. BIG personalities - one of them Aries, the other double Sag.

Hoboy.

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LOL

Downey is one of the very few actors I`ve always liked but never had any kind of crush on (the other ones being Johnny Depp and to a certain degree John Cusack and Ewan Mc Gregor).

posted April 22, 2013 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgvD00lnmU

"When the earth was still flat,
And the clouds made of fire,
And mountains stretched up to the sky,
Sometimes higher,
Folks roamed the earth
Like big rolling kegs.
They had two sets of arms.
They had two sets of legs.
They had two faces peering
Out of one giant head
So they could watch all around them
As they talked; while they read.
And they never knew nothing of love.
It was before the origin of love.

The origin of love

And there were three sexes then,
One that looked like two men
Glued up back to back,
Called the children of the sun.
And similar in shape and girth
Were the children of the earth.
They looked like two girls
Rolled up in one.
And the children of the moon
Were like a fork shoved on a spoon.
They were part sun, part earth
Part daughter, part son.

The origin of love

Now the gods grew quite scared
Of our strength and defiance
And Thor said,
"I'm gonna kill them all
With my hammer,
Like I killed the giants."
And Zeus said, "No,
You better let me
Use my lightening, like scissors,
Like I cut the legs off the whales
And dinosaurs into lizards."
Then he grabbed up some bolts
And he let out a laugh,
Said, "I'll split them right down the middle.
Gonna cut them right up in half."
And then storm clouds gathered above
Into great balls of fire

And then fire shot down
From the sky in bolts
Like shining blades
Of a knife.
And it ripped
Right through the flesh
Of the children of the sun
And the moon
And the earth.
And some Indian god
Sewed the wound up into a hole,
Pulled it round to our belly
To remind us of the price we pay.
And Osiris and the gods of the Nile
Gathered up a big storm
To blow a hurricane,
To scatter us away,
In a flood of wind and rain,
And a sea of tidal waves,
To wash us all away,
And if we don't behave
They'll cut us down again
And we'll be hopping round on one foot
And looking through one eye.

Last time I saw you
We had just split in two.
You were looking at me.
I was looking at you.
You had a way so familiar,
But I could not recognize,
Cause you had blood on your face;
I had blood in my eyes.
But I could swear by your expression
That the pain down in your soul
Was the same as the one down in mine.
That's the pain,
Cuts a straight line
Down through the heart;
We called it love.
So we wrapped our arms around each other,
Trying to shove ourselves back together.
We were making love,
Making love.
It was a cold dark evening,
Such a long time ago,
When by the mighty hand of Jove,
It was the sad story
How we became
Lonely two-legged creatures,
It's the story of
The origin of love.
That's the origin of love."
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/hedwigandtheangryinch/originoflove.htm

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Wow. Somehow, I missed this one. Thank you. I'm ... well, I'm struck. Heh.

posted April 22, 2013 03:59 AM            

I first heard it in German, by a guy who definitely was a karmic soulmate of mine (HEAVY karma), though we did not really get to know each other.
he used to perform this song on every of his concerts and open air`s.
The first time I saw him sing the third stanza, I actually broke and cried.
While he was singing the last stanza, I swear, I could FEEL hot desert sand beneath my naked feet (though of course in real-time I was wearing shoes!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIY2SHHHhs

posted May 03, 2013 04:12 AM            

What, from a purely astrological standpoint, do these natural dynamics appear to be? (I'm always looking at what are natural dynamics - regardless of circumstances or artificially imposed parametres and definitions. Nothing else really matters, since they're naturally occurring. It's a default to which you return.)

Per the composite and synastry - what sort of relationship naturally occurs here? Is it really only a friendship between colleagues - and I've been getting it all wrong - misreading everything?

The predominance of Scorpio with such high concentration seemed to belie an 'all or nothing' theme with the Uranian influence and the companion signs being Sag and Libra. What am I missing here? Did it fall apart BECAUSE we tried to explore a sexual intimacy?

Looking at the position of Uranus, it seems 'shared' by us: his sign, but close to the Moon. I'm the Moon-Uranus naturally, but in Scorpio. Which has always been a paradox for me. A study of contrasts in my emotional nature. Is Uranus operating similarly here? I'm assuming it's incorporating his, too, being close to his Moon - even if it's right on the degree of my Mars.

For me, Moon-Uranus in Scorpio is the likely root of why I'm intense, can be quite obsessive and am always detecting the undercurrents. Everywhere. I'm a human lie-detector for this reason. My emotions run SO deep, but seem completely detached. I'm 'aloof and distant' (wait, what? ME?) and am practically Vulcan regarding that side of me.

I'm also naturally noncommittal, but can be very driven and focussed on more than one lover at a time. (Maybe not the same room, that is; I prefer one-on-one relating, but with multiple partners who bring out different facets in me. It helps me feel balanced by exploring more than I would were I solely committed to one person.) I think I relate powerfully and deeply with multiple partners best; there's a kind of unspoken commitment that I would never abandon them, and they DO matter a lot to me.

But I can get squeamish when talk of expectations arise, and I'm being roped into narrowing my focus. In that regard, I don't dig commitments. They feel stifling; I try and give myself - and others - lots of breathing room. As a relationship is deepening, I'm often concerned I won't be able to adequately invest - emotionally, or even physically. I'm told my intimacy is intermittent: I'm totally there, and then completely not. I think it's the artist in me; I'm not flighty so much as I just can't take really constant intimacy. I start getting antsy and uncomfortable before long.

Because of how split my emotional attention can be, I find myself most attracted to partners as noncommittal and here-there as I am - but feel infinitely safer and more secure in a relationship with a more clingy partner. I won't even explore a commitment with a fellow Uranian.

Overall, the composite hits both of us pretty hard, especially our Moons. Its Sun is my Moon degree, and conjuncts his Moon widely, too. Same for the Moon, Merc, Venus, and Valentine. Jupiter hits his Saturn almost exactly, too. I think we're both expressing the Uranus - I'm not honestly sure who is more.

All signs seem to be pointing to his being my twin, and our task nearing as we try and reconnect. But that's been such an exercise in futility, I began avoiding him entirely for, what's now going on a few weeks. It hurts every single second - but I feel completely out of options.

Astrology aside, our sexual chemistry had been a huge undercurrent in everything we'd say or do up until recently. Stifling it has led to so much frustration, resentment, and discord. But maybe I really am wrong. In which case, I'd have to continue avoiding him until I really am truly over him, and can approach things without harbouring my own resentment. Right now, that's just impossible-feeling.

My greatest fear is that I honestly never will. We've both tried to let each other go, but that hasn't worked, either. He says we're too close for a casual thing, and I already know how terrified he is of real intimacy in sex, so he avoids it. I think he realises there's no way he could avoid that with me. Or, again, am I wrong?

I'm still stunned that this has happened. We were SO close and connected. But now ... it's like it's all too much. Communication is totally broken down. I realise that's largely my fault this time. But what else can I do? Except wait ... and work ... to get over him.

Right?

posted May 03, 2013 07:28 AM            

I am sorry you have to go through all of this.

However, I`ve been staring at your composite.
I just can`t see how it could be platonic ever. maybe that is part of the problem though?

But with such a large stellium in 1st composite house, in Scorpio, how could you be detached, especially it hitting your luminaries?

sun-Venus-conjunction in Scorpio in 1st house (and conjunct Jupiter); Venus ruling 7th house.
The Sun being the core identity of any relationship (in composite at least). So what is this relationship about? What gives it energy? What does it vibrate with?

Look for aspects, esp. conjunctions to Sun.
ysou find Venus, DESC-ruler, but also ruler of 12th house.

It`s about affection, love, attraction, in Scorpio: makes me think of what Damon said to Elena: You want a love that consumes you.

Well, maybe you do not want that, but you get it anyway, and it is all so close to the surface in 1st house on ASC.
However, while partnership is a BIG thing here (DESC-ruelr), residues from past lives come with it as well, especially with Karma-Destinn in 12th house, and Saturn-Pluto in 12th house. MAJOR Karma there.
Could be YOUR personal past life story still affecting your NOW, or that which you individually bring into it. And d`oh it`s not easy!

ASC-ruler conjunct Saturn in 12th house, quinkunx Chiron in 7th house. And the quinkunx being a karmic aspect itself of course.

AC-ruler in 12th - some things are below surface. The love is there, but there is also heavy work and issues to sort out. It is also a very spiritual connection, meant for transformation (12th house plus Pluto), but with Saturn there, it is like there are brakes on it. It is so very serious stuff. Both of you can feel it. if you get involved, you will never ever get away again. That is how Saturn-Pluto can feel. But it is in the 12th house, somehow it is not verbalized, it is just that sense of foreboding, that draw, just beneath the subconsciousness, or at the line between subconsciousness and consciousness.
and it is quinkunx Chiron. you both are SO vulenerable with each other, stripped bare of all defences, that you will inevitably trigger deep issues in each other.
Well, it could also be that other people (7th house) bring these wounds to the surface.

mutual reception between 1st and 12th house. So much about spiritual transformation and also the need to be in the present. If you do it right, it can be a wonderful bridge from dreams and subconscious content to make a beautiful loving connection.
If you donīt get it right, you sink like the Titanic. Or at least you feel like it. 12th house mud.

But platonic? No, i donīt think so!

also you have Eros on 26 Sagittarius, the Galactic centre, a spot through which much energy is channelled.
It is conjunct Neptune, ruler of 5th and 4th house.
Up to a certain point the dreamy eroticism can be channelled creatively, but even then with eros, the erotic attraction is still there.

Also There is this Yod of your Eros/Neptune sextile Saturn/Pluto in 12th and both quinkunx Chiron in 7th. Chiron being the Apex planet.
It all points to you needing to get really naked (emotionally) to heal yourselves and the relationships,e specially intimacy issues.

The demands of this relationships are so high; as is the "glory".
but it demands emotional honesty in a way that maybe none of you ever allowed before. Intimacy of the scary kind. Scary because there is just no place to hide, you are getting under each other`s skin.

I wonder though if one of your Saturn`s is triggered by the composite. Is that the reason for the defense mechanism kickin in so strongly? Or is that Uranus?

EDIT:
BTW speaking of the Yod. The triggering planet to the apex Chiron is Sun-Venus-conjunction. All leading back to love and attraction, but with that Chiron, a lot of wounding before the healing can take place.

To me Chiron is like you are without any kind of emotional skin, which is why usually people avoid it. Especialyl if they have been hurt before at that point in their psyche. Stripped bare of all defenses, but practically nailed to the spot with no way to escape the ropes, and the other standing in front of you with a knife in their hands and the option to either cut your ropes and free you, or cut you into tiny little slices.

posted May 03, 2013 07:51 AM            

SN in Capricorn in 2nd house, ruler Saturn in 12th house conjunct Pluto
(partly what I described in the post before, actually is a past issue; but you cannot sail into the future before addressing it).

Where you are going, at least striving to, the relationship itself, no matter what you individually think of it.

NN in Cancer in 8th house, ruler Moon in Scorpio in 1st house conjunct Valentine. Need I say more?

EDIT:
Something on Yods in composite. http://astrologyexplored.net/home/?p=611

I used to think it`s all bollocks, but just lately, well the Yod is REALLY cropping up from uner the carpet.

And since you have it in composite (Eros-Saturn/Pluto-Chiron) I posted th link.

Yes i know they do not use asteorids, But I find Eros, and of course Chiron are special ones, just like Ceres, Juno and Vesta. And probably Psyche, Amor and Valentine.

In our chart the Yod also is a boomerang-yod (one planet opposite the apex planet).

Neptune/Mercury-conjunction on 15-17 Sagittarius sextiles Pluto on 15 Libra, and both are quinkunx Eros on 14 Taurus on the IC on 16 Taurus.

And opposite Eros there is Uranus on 12 Scorpio on the MC (chartruler).

Easy? No.
Electric? VERY.

BTW in the article I posted the link of, in the first example I do not see a yYod with Venus, but with MErcury maybe.

EDIT 2:

Also been thinking about the 12th house placements (and placements in general).

Just like with aspects, wouldn`t it matter WHAT houses the planets are in natally?

For example a 12th house composite Sun might happen because both people have 12th house Sun natally, or 3rd and 9th house Suns, or 11th and 1st house Suns or 10th and 2nd house Suns, wouldnīt that play a role?

In the case of our composite, Moon and Venus are in 12th house.
Yes, I know Drat.

Anyway,

his Moon is in his 10th house, my Moon is in my 2nd house and that of course results in the composite Moon being in 12th house, as it is the midpoint.

His Venus is in his 11th house, my Venus is in my 1st house - hence the midpoint falling into 12th house.

In another composite there was Mars in 12th house, and that happened bcause both our Marss were in 12th house natally.

It does feel different (not just because it is Mars and not Venus, but because of the natals it originated from).

What I have been thinking is that maybe we need to keep in the back of our mind where the planets are in the natal chart, as we cannot really leave out personality out of a relationship. EVEN if something new develops.
But we can`t go anywhere without taking ourselves for the ride.

For example:
my parents have Moon in 12th house in composite, yet they did a wonderful job in their marriage. And probably are more spiritual in a practical earthly way together than they would have been on their own. Or not spiritual,b ut having that awareness of "meaning", a purpose of their life together.

Natally my Mum`s Moon is in 4th house and my Dad`s MOon is in 8th house; both have that potential natally for developing really deep emotional bonds, and in this case their compostie 12th house Moon seems to describe how their personal bonds somehow extend the mundane and get this extra-meaning and purpose; at least their relationship was never secret.

Friends of mine, who have been married ofor 8 years, together for 12 years, and three kids so far have the composite Moon in 12th house in PISCES! square Neptune even.

They are endlessly supportive of each other and for the environment they are living in, sort of setting some kind of example even in terms of partnership, togetherness and raising a family. Very socially oriented (quite similiar to my parents btw).

her Moon is in 11th house natally; his Moon is in 1st house natally.
Well it is her who is the driving force behind their social activities; but he is the supportive factor behind it, has a great sensitivity towards not only her but people in general. Despite being a Cap/Aqua mix.

And what about Antonio Banderas and Melanie Griffith?
Now we do not know what is going on behind closed doors. But what we can see is that obviously they are still togehter and as they claim very much in love. Who knows if that is the truth or not,b ut let`s just say it is.

composite MOon in Pisces in 12th house.

He`s got a 1st house Moon natally, she has got a 10th house MOon natally. Yes it can happen sometimes. Both cardinal Moons,b oth extravert Moons in Aquarius and Aries.

But then we also have the composite of Bertrand Cantat and Marie Trintignant.

Not Moon, but Sun, Mercury, Chiron, Jupiter and Venus in 12th house.
And their relationship had tragic consequences, as he beat her to death in a fit of jealousy.

Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife had also moon in 12th composite house.
widely conjunct and exactly contrasciaon Neptune, also in 12th.

His Moon was in 11th house natally, her Moon was in 1st.