posted April 18, 2013 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by dyedye08:
@ Indigio The first meeting chart shows right away to me that this is a big love and a great opportunity for a mutually beneficial relationship (Venus conjunct Sun). However, it also shows that the relationships is somewhat hidden from the public (chart ruler mercury in the 12th house), and that there is a lot of pressure from all sides to establish emotional and social equilibrium (Mercury is part of the Grand Cross involving Saturn, Jupiter and and moon. Essentially grand Cross will give us both great challenges, but also develop a great persistence and inner strength – motivating us to work out the relationship. Do you see this or am I wrong

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Venus is frequently conjunct the Sun, statistically-speaking. I'd imagine most relationships at all might be linked to Sun-Venus; especially friendships.

Saturn-Jupiter-Mercury-Moon is indeed a Grand Cross, and Uranus being a part of it, obviously creates great instability. I'm not sure how solid a Cross is with Uranus being conjunct the Moon like that. I'll gather it's been dictating things as expected.

What else gets me are: Destinn-Chiron-Amor, and NNode-VX-Neptune. Those are the most dominant forces here. 'Destined' for an unconditional, suffering, wounded love. The VX-Neptune seems to belie an irresistible spiritual draw, which would be a growth experience (NNode).

posted April 18, 2013 05:26 PM            

What i consider for soulmates is an unafflicted stellium of either all planets, minus the bad ones (uranus and saturn) (no love stellium)

or a love stellium with a ton of planets conjunct it. the more the better. as long as it's again, unafflicted, and saturn and uranus arent in the stellium. If it has almost all the planets then i consider it soulmates, if it has just a love stellium with one or two other planets conjunct it, i only consider it a soulmate if pluto is in the stellium as well.

A love stellium conjunct pluto is super powerful anyway, so just imagine having other planets added to that stellium on top. (except saturn and uranus)

posted April 18, 2013 06:05 PM            

And that makes sense. Is that what you look for specifically with twinflames?

Personally, I don't consider Uranus a bad planet at all. In fact, Neptune can be just as troublesome, and Saturn can be wonderfully constructive.

I agree that the no afflictions and high concentration would be the most logical arrangement. I think that's what got me wondering (on top of so many bizarre circumstances - and I mean truly bizarre) that he could be my twinsoul. It would certainly make so many other things oddly and suddenly make sense.

And, from my understanding, DD's marriage is abusive. She's concerned that a relationship with this man would lead to similar violence. I do think the potential is there in less evolved individuals.

I've always known that my partner and I were never here for the traditional relationship. (His natal even indicates that an unconventional relationship is his more likely direction - and with his Sun being his 7R, in the 11H, it kinda indicates he prefers the basis to be a friendship. His 11R, incidentally, is Saturn in Scorpio - where he's got it right on his Karma AND MC - which is right where my Moon-Uranus hits.)

I think that's why I thought that we were 'destined' to be creative partners, best friends, and handle our intense attraction to each other as noncommittal lovers would. I was foolish to think it'd be that simple, though. He was the one to finally say that we've never been so casual, and should we begin a physical relationship during shooting, it'd hardly be casual. While neither of us are ready for anything beyond that - everything just fell apart after. Everything. I can't believe how it's gotten. Anyhow.

I'm digressing.

But that's my point about Uranus. I don't knock it - I just understand it and give it its room. I knew marriage was never on the agenda with us, and when my now-husband came suddenly back into my life a couple of months after I rejoined singlehood - I knew why. I knew he was the one I was to marry. And yet, nothing - and I mean, NOTHING, changed about how I felt my relationship with my partner was to be. Hell, it STILL feels like an ultimate destiny - I just can't foresee how on earth it'd get there, and right now, I don't even know how to deal with him. The other feels like a pipe dream.

Anyway.

Ask yourself what you want, DD. Look at your own chart; ask yourself what you're here for. You've not hit your first Saturn Return yet, and it will illuminate SO much.

Your relationship with this man is considerably 'young', too. Despite how I felt, I didn't really give it true merit until MANY circumstances arose to come between us - and, in the 'end', it would only be our own conflict, resentments, frustration - to really break down our communication.

So, in the grand scheme, give it time. And, if you've got Uranus like we do - room. Freedom. Space. Understanding and appreciation for individuality.

I've never wanted to 'own' him. I don't feel he 'belongs' to anyone but the world. I just wish he'd let me 'give' himself to it, like he yearns so badly to do. Of course, Saturn on the MC ... he may just be building a foundation for financial independence. I then hope to God he's ready to ... 'be' again.

posted April 18, 2013 06:11 PM            

Dirae is a variant on Fury, as in The Furies. It should be Dira, but I only learnt this later.

So, Indigo Fury. I try and set things right. Balance karma. Reharmonise the disharmonious. Teach the lessons oh unconditional love - though that one's the toughest yet. Punish those who refuse to balance their karma or repay their karmic debts.

posted April 18, 2013 07:12 PM            

Intuitively-speaking, I'm going to say I'm lacking a complication that you've got: yours is married. This would indicate to me prior karma to sort. (I think I very well may be mine's first love - first real love. He hadn't even dated since an early high-school girlfriend, and he hasn't dated anyone after me, either.) The story would be very different otherwise.

So, it's important to take all factors into account, and understand a bigger picture here. I know I'm ultimately looking for a dynamic partnership - the sort of power couple that often does well out here. That's not a marriage, it's not a committed relationship, and it's only fruitful insofar as producing creative works whose time had come. That, to me, feels like our ultimate 'destiny'.

What does yours look like? I believe that twins are always here to DO something, and they meet close to the time that it's to be done. Granted, again, not much time has passed, but many twins are meeting during this period anyway. It may be part of the larger plan of sorts - hard to know.

If you break your story down into acts, what's the throughline? What happened during the introduction - the setup? (I actually problem solve using story structure quite a bit. I've found it very helpful.)

What's the logical direction for Act 2? I can see how, logically, a period of separation could occur as everyone's trying to better understand their roles in the future. Act 2 is obviously never the ending - it's just the natural result of the introduction, and preparation for the climax.

What's your climax? Where do you feel you need to be in the denouement? Are we going non-linear - and this was the dark moment? Then there's an act of heroism - or sacrifice - around the corner.

We live the Hero's Journey in life more than at realise.

I can certainly see that he may have come to a new understanding regarding his marriage - the karma he must resolve. I wasn't about to abandon mine, either - even as I was noticing signs of emotional abuse. I took a stand, and I've committed to working things through in my marriage. I'm hoping it didn't cost me my relationship with my partner - they're separate stories, which only overlap - but I suspect the person I'm becoming as a result, in the interim, will be right for when things come back together, in whatever Act that will be.

We forget that we have to arc, too, or we wouldn't be here. The heroine is never static; she changes and grows with each trial.

My own heroine has to go through quite the ordeal before she and the hero are even ready for the task they must undertake together, as part of their larger soul group. Such is life, I guess. I try to cut corners and take shortcuts when it's already written - usually literally. If a death were to follow, an actual separation is most likely. Following a period of instability. So, here we are.

I guess I'm doing what I should be doing.

posted April 18, 2013 08:05 PM            

It's scary how similar my husband is to my partner. Even they kinda freak each other out at times. When they're not being ... y'know ... competitive as all hell.

posted April 18, 2013 10:20 PM            

Astrologically my NN is in my 5H (children…but also fun/flings/crushes) and that it squares Chiron, my attention was piqued. We’re all familiar with Chiron being our mortal “wound” that inhibits us in some way or another, but we often stop at that interpretation and forget that Chiron also forces us to dig deep and focus our much of our effort on the area of life it touches in order to mend those tears. A lot of the time we might ever only achieve finding “band-aids” for that pain, because Chiron (to use CafeAstrology’s language) makes us overcompensate in the area of life Chiron falls and so we’re often muddled by going gung-ho for something and when a more balanced or practical approach would offer a more achievable and lasting result. With Chiron placement,I overcompensate in the realm of sex/partnerships (8H placement) and feel that my sexuality is what is going to empower me or to get me the emotional fulfillment that I crave, when I should be focusing on finding a way to express myself (Gem placement) positively through such partnerships—using your sexual bond with another person to ensure all my romantic relationships make me a better person or better able to articulate my sense of self, rather than indulging in the need for “intimacy” for the sake of emotional contentment.
with NN squaring Chiron (our wound/way to heal), I think that Chiron is going to get in the way of or distract the purpose my NN brings to me. NN in 5H is all about figuring out pleasure—that which makes us personally happy and emotionally fulfilled—and it’s also in Aries, meaning learning to be independent, trusting my own instincts, and achieving self-volition is key…but the square to Chiron will strongly divert my idea of what “pleasure” is and also make me fall back on resorting to the comfort of others/community/relationships. Chiron is in 8H, and linking 8H (house of “sex”) with a square to my 5H Aries NN might imply that I feel the way to achieve personal pleasure is through sensuality and deep spiritual connections with another person—the problem, here, should be obvious. For one, NN Aries is all about finding independence, but Chiron simultaneously attracts energy toward wanting a partnership (I also noticed my transiting NN is in my 1H, Aries’ ruler…which means in the past nine months or so I have been dealing with my husband and Twin Flame [NN takes about 18 months to move through a sign] that’s been a karmic test of both my character and my ability to develop my NN’s call for independence). Secondly (and more importantly), NN in 5H has to do with “lighthearted” affairs, children, and creative endeavors, and Chiron in 8H is all about deeply penetrating spirituality/emotions and profoundly transformative relationships. Though the two might seem to go hand-in-hand (after all, who doesn’t want an happy-go-lucky partner with a raw sensual side that we can find ourselves in?!), I view them as complete opposites. While my NN is saying “Hey! Focus on the fun in life and someone or something to enjoy not taking yourself so seriously with,” the Chiron square is infusing (and confusing) that romantic fling 5H energy with “Find a mysterious, resonant, and transforming relationship to fulfill my NN needs.” Do you see the issue here? What it comes down to, for me, is that I can’t satiate my NN’s call to identify independent pleasure by relying on sex/partnerships, even though this probably often feels the natural thing to do given the square to Chiron. NN is a big deal because it’s my purpose in this lifetime and what I should focus on in order to become whole or feel truly happy, and the square to Chiron can act to debilitate or sidetrack my path toward that…which brings me to the idea of an “affair,” I think that this placement would compel me to an affair with someone (if I came across the chance for one), secret flirtations, or covert/improper friendships even, would be the solution to meet my inherent needs.

All of these would just provide another “band-aid” and never really fix my happiness in any concrete or stable entity.

IN my 12th house I got got Libra on 12H with Eros in there, which immediately draws my attention to “secrets” and the “hidden” (12H), “legal contracts” and “marriage” (Libra), and the “erotic” and “irresistible” (Eros). If that doesn’t scream “affair,” I don’t know what does, haha. Either that, or an elopement/secret marriage? Again, thinking of Chiron as indicating an area of life in which we overcompensate to fill an extreme void, the 8H placement would mean using sex or sensuality (in a general sense) is a way of me doing so, and sex/sensuality for emotional redemption, of course, is a huge part of an affair. Since there are so many hard aspects to Chiron, I would say that there is a lot of impulsiveness and very little thinking happening here: opposing Uranus brings to mind indiscriminate rebellion and erratic or unusual relationships; opposing Neptune brings to mind healing through sexual fantasy or indulgence; square Venus, love tinged with pain, feeling unloved or unwanted, sex as a way to heal insecurities with physical appearance; square Mercury, sensitivity to what others say, fragmented modes of communication, having a volatile tongue/sometimes using words to hurt; and trine Pluto (8H ruler, mind you) desiring transformation through sexuality to heal, or feeling comfortable with using emotional overhauls by way of partnerships to restore the sense of self. I will probably be prone to having affairs,” but it does seem as my way of “healing” is inextricably tied to sex/communication through sensuality because of Chiron’s placement.

posted April 18, 2013 11:12 PM            

Chris brown and rihanna have sun conjunct mercury opposite mars, with the sun-mercury and mars both squaring all three outer planets. Ouch.

posted April 18, 2013 11:27 PM            

I have something similar, the whole work story... Intense attraction, deep gut reaching feelings....
I don't think mine is a TF.... It's just to much to bear..
However, I do think he is a soulmate....
We have a purpose... Idk what... But it's a hella long process... Geez already... Lol..

Rad... Idk if u remember but we have everything in the composite....
But idk... (Shaking head)

So far, we never go more than a couple of weeks with out talking.... That's rare, usually 3 days is the max...
For the most part we talk every single day.....

posted April 18, 2013 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by dyedye08:
@ Lioness the worst pain I have ever felt. He was my best friend and ally we were inseparable. Now, I can't even get a call or text from him. I just want my friend back. Music soothes the pain temporarily, then there are days I do really good and then there are days I want to broke down and cry. He got me up all night, singing love songs, constant drinkin' and love songs. This is so hard. Thank -You Lioness. I just want to get over him

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Ahhhh... I know... I think it's even harder when u work together and have no choice but to see each other every day....

Maybe try finding a way where u don't have to see him... Maybe a transfer if that's possible in ur job....

The only way to move forwars is to let go....
I know it's easier said that done... I'm working on doing that too...
Honestly I would rather set my hair on fire, then actually let go....
I'm working on finding ways..
I'm trying to be more social, and I have been thinking about doing some volunteer work, just to help keep my head straight...

He's lately giving me hints he wants to try again... But idk if I can go there.... The fear of heartbreak is paralizing me... The fear of living with " what if "is torturing me....

Either way... I still have to learn to let it go.....