posted April 19, 2013 01:55 AM            

Synastry:

Composite:

Crazy, isn't it? Oh, well - everything happens for a reason.

Oh, and just ignore Lachesis. (Although, you shouldn't!) It's a force of habit of mine. Something all astrologers who use asteroids will do is basically pick the ones most relevant to them. Mine's pretty standard - Eros, Psyche, Karma, Destinn - and then Lachesis. For, well, obvious reasons - for me.

posted April 19, 2013 01:57 AM            

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@ Indigio wait, she told me there wasn't a big change in aspects, I never bothered checking bc I'm still amateur. Thank you so much for the corrections. I should have pointed this out sooner

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She's an idiot. I'm sorry - not to be rude. But the differences are visible from a MILE away. You can see for yourself.

Only a rank amateur IDIOT would say that 7 years difference is 'really nothing'. In fact, I don't even know her, and this woman infuriates me - as an astrologer, purely, but STILL.

posted April 19, 2013 02:48 AM            

Valentine-Moon DW. In fact, his Valentine hits your Sun, Moon AND Mercury. Your Valentine hits his Moon loosely. I'm going to count it because of the level of activity from this asteroid.

He natally has a Pluto-Eros contraparallel - think of it like a subconscious, super opposition. So he's prone to obsession, jealousy, and possessiveness all on his own. Be mindful. You've got Eros-Eros square (welcome to my hell!) which obvious tips off that Eros-Pluto of his. This shouldn't be foreign to you, having Eros conjunct Pluto yourself. Put two obsessive people together, whaddaya get? Yep. Bigger obsession. Your Eros is right on his Ascendant, too.

Checking for Eros-Pluto synastrically ... yep, your Pluto squares it, as I thought. Hoboy.

Now, your Marses ARE super-conjunct (tight conjunction and parallel) which is why that aggression is dominating everything. Doesn't help his Eros is parallel your Mars. I've been there, too.

There's a lot of intense volatility here. A lot is dominated and shaped by Mars, Eros, and Pluto. I'm sure you can see the effects it has.

posted April 19, 2013 03:11 AM            

But before it really gets there, it's in a strong parallel to Psyche. I suspect this explains a lot of your instantaneous kinship and sense of belonging. It can also be empathic / telepathic.

Since we've got plenty of Eros already, the dash of Psyche gives that fated romantic feel, as Eros and Psyche are 'the immortal lovers'. (Honest to God, my relationship with my own is so oddly reminiscent of that myth.) Add in the Moon-Valentine DW, it's easy to see why you bonded so quickly.

BTW, you have Eros parallel your ASC. Just sayin'. With so much Eros going on, you already had it right out there - it was easy for him to pick up on. And that's great! It's a very sexy vibe, Eros-ASC.

Another link is your Moon being parallel his DSC. Behaves a lot like Moon in the 7H overlay. I like that, considering your Sun and Moon are both actually in his 12H. (That's why he's been so profoundly affected. My Sun's in his 8H - it has a similar transformative and karmic impact.)

And, Mars is in the 1H for both of you. Again, it's dominating.

You definitely have a Sun-Saturn DW, too. The conjunction is close, and the quincunx is exact. That'll be strongly felt.

I find it curious you almost have a Karma-Karma and Destinn-Destinn conjunction like we do. Uranus is in the mix, too. I don't think that's common, so it's intriguing we both have it. Of course, they conjunct in the composite. Your Lachesises are both way out of bounds, too. Lachesis, you may know, is the Goddess of Fate. I use her because of her connection to my work, but also the fact she pops up in every synastry I've seen which is between souls who have something major to sort through. There was typically a lot of violence and betrayal in the past. Lachesis also symbolises death, usually karmic in nature. It's typically synastric, but can also be composite.

Actually, let's move on to that now. Or ... right after we discuss his Vertex.

He's a natal Sun-AVX. That means his Sun is right on it, and his VX is a very special placement: the Aries Point. I'm surprised he's not in the public eye. I'm not certain here, but the AVX, being the point of Fate (of the Fate / Destiny axis) tends to correspond to the NNode. He'd be kinda like a Sun-NNode.

Speaking of NNode ... hey! Why do you have my NNode? Give that back this instant! Kidding. We have the same NNode, though; but then we ARE born a month apart with some change.

Okay, composite.

posted April 19, 2013 03:28 AM            

At first brush, it looks like Sun-Mercury-Vesta. That's interesting, as Vesta is a kind of sacred sexuality. It can also represent sexual energy sublimated into spirituality.

The intensity you're feeling is likely Juno-Pluto. It would lend that obsessive quality to Juno, which represents relations of a more committed 'couplehood' nature.

Moon-Valentine, as you know, is likely there from the DW in synastry. It's a lovely aspect.

I think the instability is still coming from Uranus being right on the ASC from the 12H. Karmic, again. It's joined by Amor (again, unconditional love, and how we give and receive it).

This is likely your karma, given Karma is right with it, in a super-conjunction (parallel, too) with Uranus and Amor. That's the instability and the stop-and-go.

Since Amor is here, I'm inclined the lesson now is involving freedom and the concept of universal love, as well as personal love that is also universal. To love truly without conditions. To just 'love them anyway'.

I panicked when the project my partner and I met on went belly-up. But, as 8 years now attests, we hardly lost each other. I've always given him tonnes of freedom - and understanding. We've shown each other an unconditional love (deep down) which gets marred by game-playing, and the fact we have so much resentment for our circumstances.

Obviously, it hurts. Chiron is opposing the Karma stellium. There's wounding needing to be healed with limitless understanding and compassion.

posted April 19, 2013 10:59 AM            

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I definitely can testify for the strength of attraction that comes with Eros-Pluto. And other Eros aspects.

His Pluto is exactly square my ERos, Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp. (my Eros/Vertex is in my 8th and his 5th house; his Pluto is in my 10th and his 7th house)
(interestingly his Pluto conjuncts the composite Mars/Amor/Cupido/NN conjunction, and my Eros opposes composite Moon, with my Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp conjunct it. We met when Tr Jupiter was transiting the composite Moon btw).

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8H Eros-VX? Wow. What do you feel that's doing for you? Has it prepared you for this experience? Is the very nature and being of eroticism tied into your destiny, do you feel?

I can certainly see how you're both 'fuelling the fire' - with his Pluto hitting an intense karmic love / romance stellium, and your Eros heading off the Moon. Did you ever feel like you were the one experiencing the brunt of the emotional volatility? As in, it was really coming from the both of you - but only you could express it?

posted April 19, 2013 12:51 PM            

EROS, Vertex, PAN on 21 Cancer; DESTINN on 23 Cancer

Sun/Moon-mp, AVX, ARTHUR on 21 Capricorn

squaring

Chiron and PHOINIX on 20 Aries

and also

DNA and KASSANDRA on 20 Libra
MUSA and SAPPHO on 22 Libra

(his Pluto is on 21 Libra; composite NN/ Amor and Cupido ALL on 20 Libra as well, composite Mars is on 23 LIbra; composite Moon on 22 Capricorn).

I am big on parallels/ contraparallels and especially antiscia/ contrascia.

The antiscion-axis of my 21 Cancer-capricorn runs from 8-9 Gemini-Sagittarius (thus activating my ASC on 7 Sag, NN and Neptune on 9 Sag, with his 7th house ruler Mercury and MUSA on 9 Sag, oh and my ATLANTIS is on 8 Sag).

The antiscion axis of my 20 Aries-Libra, runs from 9-10 Virgo-Pisces (his Eros on 8 PIsces, my name in his chart on 9 Pisces, my Ceres on 9 Pisces, my chartruler on 11 Pisces, - his Mars on 11 Vigo, his trad. chartruler on 10 Virgo, his Amor on 9 Virgo, his name in his chart on 10 Virgo).

Obviously this means that the antiscion of his Pluto is on 8-9 Pisces. LOL (it is actually ridiculous how often my name falls onto these degrees in people`s, especially men`s charts, sometimes even in the composite).

But I disgress - like so often. Just wanted to mention how there is this subtle interconnection between my 21 cardinal cross/ axis of destiny with these 8-9 degrees of mutable signs, inclduding my ASC, my nodal axis etc.
Whatever falls there, it triggers me hugely.

." Is the very nature and being of eroticism tied into your destiny, do you feel?"
Complicated. My Saturn is loosely conjunct as well (4 degrees) but tightly parallel my Vertex (my Eros is at 54° N, so HUGELY out of bounds. LOL)

I think it makes me prone to being more the "holding back" type, but of course unerneath the controlled exterior there are quite some archaic emotions smouldering inside of me (I mean it falls into Cancer AND into the 8th house. lol)

As for the "relation" to him - it`s complicated. And I cannot explain it in three sentences here on this thread. It`s not that I donīt want to, it just would take up too much space. And I do not want to totally derail the thread. If you want to know about the backgroundstory, I can give you my email address. If not, it`s fine, too.

"AVX on the C-Moon is powerful - as in, it actually GIVES you more power in the relationship than you may first realise."
That is interesting. Why do you think that?

" S/M obviously indicating its importance to you, and the way it combines both sides of your nature."
Funnily the composite Moon is conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp and the composite Sun (and my natal Sun as well) is conjunct HIS Sun/Moon-mp.

When we met Tr Jupiter was conjunct c-Moon on my Sun/Moon, and Tr Juno (on GC EXACT) was conjunct c-Sun on his Sun/Moon. (we were born only one day apart, both with Suns on GC; though different years).

" Man, that's intense."
Certainly.

The night after we met I honestly thought I was dying. I was lying in my bed, with that strange altered state of consciousness, and feeling like being bathed in, surrounded and completely filled by this strange electric current (as if someone was stroking me with an electric cord, but without really hurting),and with some other symptoms, and I was very sure about that I probably was just experiencing my own death, that I was dying of a stroke and would not survive the night.
The strange thing is, it did not even hold any kind of horror to me. It was... alright. LOL
Felt a little spaced out I admit.

Well, of course I did not die (or maybe I did? who really knows?), and by now I have grown used to the fact that when I have seen him, and especially if he is staying in the same city as me, I will not get any sleep, or only in that strangely altered state of consciousness.
And the reason is that he will NEVER shut up on these occasions; he is constantly talking in the back of my mind, and I mean like really hearing his voice.
I guess it must be due to the fact that his Pallas on 24 Aqua and Psyche on 25 Aqua are conjunct my Psyche on 24 Aqua.

Oh btw when we met my pr Psyche (and his pr Psyche, they are inseparable in progressions) was applying to an exac tconjunction to his natal Eros (yeah the one on 8 Pisces, on the antiscion of my destiny-axis. LOL).

posted April 19, 2013 01:03 PM            

I am quoting the author Paul Newman here:

"A contraparallel in declination is most obviously a bridging across two hemispheres. ... the symmetry of a contraparallel unites two planets across the hemisphere in a way that is quite different to a longitude opposition which appears to divide a zodiac chart in half. And this I would sugest is the basic contrast in meaning. ... Finally any contra-poarallel has as its midpoint the celestial equator itself, tying both bodies to this powerful area and affecting them whenever the equator is activated (at the equinnox for instance). Few opposing degrees in longitude have their midpoints at zero Arie/Libra or other cardinal points so they do not have claim to such a uniting energy."

- Paul F. Neman, Declination in Astrology

posted April 19, 2013 01:48 PM            

I'm still trying to get the hang of antiscions. I used to have Solar Fire, but since the switch to Mac ... no dice. AstroDeluxe, the closest thing to it, (published by Esoteric) on my phone ... is great for calculations and the basic points plus some 'roids, but it lacks ALL the goodies my SF6 had. Do I need to suck it up and get Astrolog or is there somewhere else I can calculate the antisicia / contrascia reliably?

Also, in regard to the CPL - wow! I had no idea! But PLL + conjunction is still the 'super-conjunction', yes? Or did that just come right out of my ass and I think it's valid? Heh. Could've sworn KT said that to me one time ... but it's been awhile. (Man, I miss her. My eyes were seriously opened when she taught me what she did about declination.)

I know I have far fewer CPLs than I do PLLs - at least, it appears to be. Maybe they ARE more significant. Hell, I know most people don't give the quindecile its due, either, and I've discovered it has CRAZY power.

posted April 19, 2013 02:24 PM            

I missed something else, too. Phoinix. It's prominent for both of us: right on his Psyche/Mars, square his Nodes, Saturn, Karma, AND Lilith. It's on my Sun/Moon MP, conjunct my Karma-Destinn - and therefore his Pluto.

Speaking of CPLs, it's CPL his VX, and therefore, my Venus. (Did I mention his VX is PLL my Venus? Shyeah. Ay, yi, yi.) It's sextile my Juno (and his) and on my Juno/Lust MP. (WTF that means ... )

Before it all went kaboomba, my husband kept saying to go to Phoenix; that I'd HAVE to go to him. Make a firm decision, and spend a week there. Of course, (I didn't actually offer that) just tried to re-broach the conversation, which led to him exploding in fear, lashing out at me SO badly, that we just really haven't been the same. (That was 16 January.)

I still say I don't need to go to Phoenix. Were my uncle still alive, it might be a different story. But he passed away in '04 - curiously, at the same hospital in which The Comedian (for lack of better) was born. Closest tie I have is a soul-brother in Sedona. I ought to share our synastry ... it's interesting. I feel SUCH a deep connection to Sedona, and have always been 'a part' of his family. For a brief blip on the radar there, before my now-husband came back into my life, I wondered if I shouldn't just do the logical thing and make it official. But I would've been lying to myself; for all the love I feel for him, (much to my chagrin!) I've never been -in love- with him. It's not fair - he's a wonderful guy, and I'm sure we would've made a stellar creative team. But ... such wasn't to be this time around.

posted April 19, 2013 04:49 PM            

"I'm still trying to get the hang of antiscions. "
Some time ago I had a thread on these, and the thing is, it almost felt like automatic writing, and afterwards it was like waking up and sayin: Did I write this? What did I mean with that? I mean it sounds right, but I don`t quite understand it now. LOL

I am referring to this here btw:

"The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn shows him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`Re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?

Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn

Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE"

Actually I am still mesmerized with the completeness of the antiscion/contrascion-series.

"Do I need to suck it up and get Astrolog or is there somewhere else I can calculate the antisicia / contrascia reliably?"
Yes, there is a way. on astro.com

"First, display your chart. Then find in the URL where it says mth= followed by some letters and then a &. Now replace those letters before the & with mr, so that it reads mth=mr
Then press Enter.

The antiscia and contra-antiscia are not listed in the chart drawing, but you can find their positions in the additional tables."

I found that description on the astro.com forum.

"But PLL + conjunction is still the 'super-conjunction', yes?"
I think so, yes.
STill battling with the fact hat of course the likelihood of a parallel is greater than having a conjunction (after all the declinations only span 46 degrees); I also think that if there is a parallel and conjunction, oh boy, that must be REALLY intense!
Actually my Mars is conjunct and parallel my Neptune. lol

Oh and from observation of the sky, ONLY those planets that are conjunct AND parallel each other, really LOOK like they are merged into one, at the same place. If there is ONLY a conjunction without a parallel, the planets seem to occupy different places in the sky still.
Ecclipses can only happen when Sun and Moon are conjunct and parallel (well with a solar ecclipse at least), plus the nodes have to be within 19 degrees of that conjunction and parallel of Sun and Moon.

"My eyes were seriously opened when she taught me what she did about declination."
You are lucky. HOw did you come to know her?

"Maybe they ARE more significant."
I think both are equally significant. Different sides of the coin. Like conjunction and opposition, both equally important, but a bit different in expression.
I think with the parallel the uniting part is more smoothly, more directly, maybe even more unconscious. Like oyu never evern really think about it. These to planets simply operate like an unit.
Like in my case I can`t really say this is my Mars and this is my Neptune. I don`t have two separate planets in this instance. I have one Mars-Neptune-planet and energy.

With the contraparallel the bridging might be more conscious. Like you becoming aware that there are different orientations to both planets, but somehow they HAVE to fuse, the magnetism is there.

In the book I quoted the author mentioned that some, including himself, relate the Northern declination to a more outwardly directed orientation, more concerned with other people, while the Southern declinations are more internalized, maybe even more karmic or past oriented.
For me it seems to hold true. My Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, NN and ASC are all with Southern Declination.
Of course they are also below the horizon (so much under the surface).

Anyway, so if two planets are contraparallel, there is this exchange of energy through these two orientations. In my case Saturn in the Norther declination contraparallel my Mars and NEptune in Southern declination "channels" a lot of this internal energy. It is Saturn that gives my flights of imagination a certain shape and expresses it to the outer world. Hence I may come across a little more serious than I really am inside.

At least that is how I see it.

"Hell, I know most people don't give the quindecile its due, either, and I've discovered it has CRAZY power."
Oh my GOD, you are SO right. It is crazy!
It is almost funny, in the mentioned synastry my Pluto is quindecile his ASC and his Pluto is quindecile my IC.
While his Sun is quindecile my SN, my Moon is quindecile his NN.

Right now, in the progressions a quindecile between my pr Venus and his pr Mars is building.
I wonder if that plays a role.

posted April 19, 2013 05:01 PM            

"t's prominent for both of us: right on his Psyche/Mars, square his Nodes, Saturn, Karma, AND Lilith. It's on my Sun/Moon MP, conjunct my Karma-Destinn - and therefore his Pluto."
WOW! Definitely!
Phoinix.

Well, I always associated it with the mythic bird, the Phoenix, who bursts into flames, and then rises again from the ashes.
I found it fitting it was conjunct my Chiron, cause I have noticed how I very regularly need these cathartic experiences, like an emotional purging (of course my Venus also squares pluto), and it constitutes some sort of emotional healing as well as growth. Burn away everything that`s wrong. It hurts, but it is really a good hurt; almost like a birthprocess, like I am reborn within my life, and not only once. lol

I never checked Phoinix in HIS chart. Turns out his lands on 25 Libra, yes, too wide to be considered a strong conjunction/ square to my axis.
However, I checked the composite. Phoinix is not only EXACTLY conjunct Moon, but also parallel by ONE minute of orb! Wow!

"Did I mention his VX is PLL my Venus? "
LOL Please do not laugh, but his Venus is pll my Antivertex (and widely conjunct at 4 degrees). lol
Actually his Venus is tied to the composite Moon as well (conjunction of 3 degrees)
His natal Venus-Pluto-square coincides with the composite Moon-Mars-square.
Yes, I like my astrology intense!

"I wondered if I shouldn't just do the logical thing and make it official. But I would've been lying to myself; for all the love I feel for him, (much to my chagrin!) I've never been -in love- with him. "
I know what you mean.
I sometimes wanted to talk myself into being "in love" with someone, cause he was so lovely, kind, great, and totally loveable, and I did care a lot for him, loved him, but in the end I couldnīt lie to myself about it anymore. I was not in love with him and never would be. If the spark is missing, it is just missing,r ight?

posted April 20, 2013 02:14 AM            

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Originally posted by StarryEyes:
I like you IndigoDirae!!! You tell it like it is. Love reading your comments. Just saying

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Aww, thanks, StarryEyes! That's so sweet of you. I worry that most of the time I'm obnoxiously snarky. I'm glad that a lot of what I do is useful. I mean that genuinely! (That's a genuine winky-face. Kinda confusing, I know; just roll with it.)

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Haha I think anyone can be your twin flame if you feel that theyreally are. And there can be as many as you want, if u really feel that they are. You know in your heart what the answer is.

There are so many dfferent intensity levels/types of love and attraction that its so hard to say "this" is my soulmate. "This" is my twinflame. idk....ya know?

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I understand what you're saying here, RAS. I both agree with some points, and disagree with others.

On the one hand, I'm liking classification. A little bit of categorisation. For example, my husband is a companion soul. And, if you go by the Graduate theory, my Soulmate, whereas my partner would be (at least, at this point in my life, given the evidence and my experience) my Twinflame. Very different mission and purpose, similar styles of relating. One would be Mystery, the other Suspense. They're both in the Thriller genre, you know? VERY much NOT the same thing - but with enough similarities and overlaps that the levels of intensity can vary, and feel similar.

So, I DO believe that we have one twin-soul, and that individual is here for a very specific purpose with us, and we meet nearing the time at which that's supposed to come to fruition.

posted April 20, 2013 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"It's like being a student of Zen watching a master at work. "
LOL
Nice of you, but really I`m def. not a Zen master.

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Pfttthh. Modest, too.

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Just been doing a whole lot of research and most of all always trying to make sense to myself. Which sometimes might mean that I am quite critical of so called "authoritie`s knowledge", unless it seems logical and consistent to me.

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That's what I love about your knowledge, though. It's tested - and retested - and tested again!

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"I'm still trying to get the hang of antiscions. "
Some time ago I had a thread on these, and the thing is, it almost felt like automatic writing, and afterwards it was like waking up and sayin: Did I write this? What did I mean with that? I mean it sounds right, but I don`t quite understand it now. LOL

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Man, I know THAT feeling. It's always the best stuff, too! I'm just grateful it 'made it here at all', y'know? And typically honoured it 'came' through me. (Whatever that REALLY means.)

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I am referring to this here btw:

"The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

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That's where I learnt about them!

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You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

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One of my oldest best friends (since elementary) is 3š Sag Sun with 20š Cancer Moon. I've always been fascinated by the fact she typifies this contradiction.

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But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn shows him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`Re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?

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Absolutely. It's almost like a matrix: a three-dimensional space comprised of vectors going across that third-dimensional plane. It connects ALL of the planes together. (I'm studying quantum mechanics now, actually.)

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Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

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Yes, that's what I was suspecting, too. Rather than the straight opposition ... I dunno. Twins are sneaky. I've noticed a lot of 'under the surface' action. A lot of 'where you'd least expect it'. Antiscia / Contrascia would certainly fit that - just like the PLLs, CPLs, affinities, and so on.

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But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn

Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE"

Actually I am still mesmerized with the completeness of the antiscion/contrascion-series.

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Absolutely.

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"Do I need to suck it up and get Astrolog or is there somewhere else I can calculate the antisicia / contrascia reliably?"
Yes, there is a way. on astro.com

"First, display your chart. Then find in the URL where it says mth= followed by some letters and then a &. Now replace those letters before the & with mr, so that it reads mth=mr
Then press Enter.

The antiscia and contra-antiscia are not listed in the chart drawing, but you can find their positions in the additional tables."

I found that description on the astro.com forum.

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AH! Thank you for publicly clarifying that I am, indeed, a dodo-head. I'll get on that right now.

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"But PLL + conjunction is still the 'super-conjunction', yes?"
I think so, yes.
STill battling with the fact hat of course the likelihood of a parallel is greater than having a conjunction (after all the declinations only span 46 degrees); I also think that if there is a parallel and conjunction, oh boy, that must be REALLY intense!
Actually my Mars is conjunct and parallel my Neptune. lol

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Oh, point of clarity: I was told (by ... KT? I think?) that the tradition for determining declination is 1š '30. Is it only '46? Total? If so - wow, yeah, that is TIGHT.

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Oh and from observation of the sky, ONLY those planets that are conjunct AND parallel each other, really LOOK like they are merged into one, at the same place. If there is ONLY a conjunction without a parallel, the planets seem to occupy different places in the sky still.

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THAT is actually what I love about them. The ACTUAL visibility of the conjunction - or what we know as a conjunction.

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Eclipses can only happen when Sun and Moon are conjunct and parallel (well with a solar eclipse at least), plus the nodes have to be within 19 degrees of that conjunction and parallel of Sun and Moon.

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No kidding? Wow, I learn something everyday. That would certainly make sense, considering the physical aspect of it that must be present.

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"My eyes were seriously opened when she taught me what she did about declination."
You are lucky. HOw did you come to know her?

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I was. I was unbelievably spoilt. 'Auntie KT' was one of the many absolutely brilliant, mind-blowing, trend-setting, trail-blazing astrologers on the Festival Mailing List, which started around 1993 and continues today as Conjunction on Yahoo!Groups. I became a member in 1994 at the age of 13, and learnt, learnt, learnt. I'm still on it, in fact. But I'm finally not the youngest!

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"Maybe they ARE more significant."
I think both are equally significant. Different sides of the coin. Like conjunction and opposition, both equally important, but a bit different in expression.
I think with the parallel the uniting part is more smoothly, more directly, maybe even more unconscious. Like oyu never evern really think about it. These to planets simply operate like an unit.
Like in my case I can`t really say this is my Mars and this is my Neptune. I don`t have two separate planets in this instance. I have one Mars-Neptune-planet and energy.

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That's exactly how I look at it, too. It's a singular energy. A synergy, actually.

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With the contraparallel the bridging might be more conscious. Like you becoming aware that there are different orientations to both planets, but somehow they HAVE to fuse, the magnetism is there.

In the book I quoted the author mentioned that some, including himself, relate the Northern declination to a more outwardly directed orientation, more concerned with other people, while the Southern declinations are more internalized, maybe even more karmic or past oriented.
For me it seems to hold true. My Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, NN and ASC are all with Southern Declination.
Of course they are also below the horizon (so much under the surface).

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Holy mackerel. My whole chart is practically Southern-declin .. ated? De ... clined? Either way, it's all Southern. So is his. That would make a LOT of sense. Only my Venus and Psyche are Northern. Hey! I can be feminine after all! C'mon, Venus! Pick yourself up out of that 12H shadow and ... and ... oh, forget it. She'd rather read. In the dark. -shaking head-

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Anyway, so if two planets are contraparallel, there is this exchange of energy through these two orientations. In my case Saturn in the Norther declination contraparallel my Mars and NEptune in Southern declination "channels" a lot of this internal energy. It is Saturn that gives my flights of imagination a certain shape and expresses it to the outer world. Hence I may come across a little more serious than I really am inside.

At least that is how I see it.

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I like that a lot. I'm definitely going to go over things with a fine-tooth comb to see how this integration is operating in my own ... charts. (I'm always looking at several charts, rather than just my own. You know how it is.)

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"Hell, I know most people don't give the quindecile its due, either, and I've discovered it has CRAZY power."
Oh my GOD, you are SO right. It is crazy!
It is almost funny, in the mentioned synastry my Pluto is quindecile his ASC and his Pluto is quindecile my IC.
While his Sun is quindecile my SN, my Moon is quindecile his NN.

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Yeah, the last thing you need with a quindecile is Pluto. That's just like ... anybody got some petrol? I'd like to put this fire out ....

Oh, and Venus quindecile Mars in synastry has the sort of staying power where it can easily reach levels of insanity. Seriously got to have an outlet for that, or there are SO many problems. I'm sure it operates similarly, but in this case, woman's Venus, man's Mars. All traditional-like, much as I love being progressive.

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Right now, in the progressions a quindecile between my pr Venus and his pr Mars is building.
I wonder if that plays a role.

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I'm gonna say 'yes'! So ... have fun feeling what that Venus quindecile Mars is like ... she said ... gritting her teeth ... wondering if she should refrain from mentioning something about an axe, a vibrator, and tranquilisers.

posted April 20, 2013 07:05 AM            

Btw, yess to the quindecile!

Our close Composite Sun/Venus/Juno/Pluto stellium is *quindecile* Composite MARS!

And not only that, the midpoint of that quindecile is our Composite MOON!

Lol, becoming familiar with those quindeciles opened a whole new world.
To not even talk about them in synastry, as if all pieces of the puzzle fell at its place suddenly.

Him;
Venus quindecile SN

Me;
Venus quindecile NN

Us;
- Venus quindecile Venus
- NN quindecile SN (and vice versa ofcourse)

(all within 1 degr.)