posted July 13, 2013 07:15 AM            

It is nasty, mean, cutting, hurtful and yes I have seen it relate to cheating quite often. Keep it away from me, PLEASE!

posted July 13, 2013 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Lol. I agree!!!
But what is your number 1 take on it??
I always have to determine which aspect of the card it is pointing towards with an extra. Especially if the person is not with me. (Cause then I ask who they relate to on the card).

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I agree. The surrounding cards totally need to be asessed. It`s like in astrology. You can`t really determine the meaning of an aspect out of context, even though each aspec t of course has a basic meaning. But the basic blocks have to be synthesized. Same with tarot cards.

Well, in readings I did for other people, this card came up very often in context where there was dishonesty at play (sometimes it was downright cheating, sometimes it was other kinds of dishonesty).

However the no 1 meaning for me is the nasty fighting. A pretty dirty fight without room for compromise. You or me. Only one survives (metaphorically speaking).

Also Empress mentioned "abuse", and it seems that this card can point to that as well, especially if there is great difference in power.

posted July 13, 2013 09:22 AM            

Now, I'm quite enlightened, because I think he had the 'victim-mentality', so he did what he felt was good for only him - he thought I deserved being shut out. He did it, but it was a 'false-win' for him - is it a winning situation where you completely alienate someone you love?!

posted July 13, 2013 03:21 PM            

For me, the 5 of swords has always been "you've won the battle, but lost the war." I see this card as arguments between two people who mean something to the other(if there was no connection at all, there would be no sense of loss here) who can't just let go of the situation that is causing a serious rift between the two.

posted July 13, 2013 03:37 PM            

They share Mercury with Gemini so imagine combining grounded earth with Mercury air. You have someone who is naturally grounded but kind of like a plant that is attempted to be uprooted. Hence all the anxieties they have and attempt to cover up by smoking, drinking, etc.

I think it would be unfair to expect someone with a Virgo influence to expose his or her anxieties and remain vulnerable without any promise or behavior from the other party to help ground them. They feel so much that it's overwhelming to them. If you can help them safely cross over, you will find them trying to overcome those feelings that cannot be safely filed away and poked and prodded to death. What they feel, they feel it strongly, and possibly to admit how strongly they do is like a death sentence, especially if they have been crushed before.

posted July 13, 2013 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
I know this is off-topic, but Emsie you can't just lump a whole sign into one and call it "virgo style" when not every Virgo is the same way. Not fair to speak that way about all Virgos.

Just my 2 cents

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Ooops! I'm really sorry about that. It was probably my Sag bluntness, lol

posted July 13, 2013 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by MetalAphrodite:
I have a fondness for Virgo men, both Sun sign and those with Virgo planets.

They share Mercury with Gemini so imagine combining grounded earth with Mercury air. You have someone who is naturally grounded but kind of like a plant that is attempted to be uprooted. Hence all the anxieties they have and attempt to cover up by smoking, drinking, etc.

I think it would be unfair to expect someone with a Virgo influence to expose his or her anxieties and remain vulnerable without any promise or behavior from the other party to help ground them. They feel so much that it's overwhelming to them. If you can help them safely cross over, you will find them trying to overcome those feelings that cannot be safely filed away and poked and prodded to death. What they feel, they feel it strongly, and possibly to admit how strongly they do is like a death sentence, especially if they have been crushed before.

My current bf has a Virgo Mars(coupled with a Cappy Venus) and my brother is loaded with tons of Gemini with his Virgo Venus. I've often been drawn to Virgo men for their intelligence and underlying rigidity and nervousness. I suppose it's the Gemini Sun and Merc in me that likes prodding that, the Taurus Moon to somewhat sympathize, and the Cancer Venus to want to embrace that and make it warm.

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posted July 13, 2013 04:09 PM            

we're all so different it's really weird.

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Originally posted by Emsie:
Ooops! I'm really sorry about that. It was probably my Sag bluntness, lol

Then I'd say a Virgo man who was (and probably still is) unevolved emotionally...

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posted July 13, 2013 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by MetalAphrodite:
I usually paraphase cards so I can learn them quicker then alter the meanings as they come.

For me, the 5 of swords has always been "you've won the battle, but lost the war." I see this card as arguments between two people who mean something to the other(if there was no connection at all, there would be no sense of loss here) who can't just let go of the situation that is causing a serious rift between the two.

In all due reality, this situation is mere petty squabbling in the grand scheme of things. You may actually be very right, but what will you sacrifice to make this point? Your choice will lead you to say goodbye to this person and/or situation. It may be time to cut away the dead weight and move forward in your path.

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posted July 13, 2013 04:12 PM            

we're all so different it's really weird.

posted July 13, 2013 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Lol -- yea. I know many Virgos who I'm close with, and we're all sooo different! The Moon and ASC greatly influence our ways. I'm Virgo, my kids, our dog, their uncle, my cousin, a couple of childhood friends, friends from college, middle school, HS..

we're all so different it's really weird.

My mother and nephew are Sagittarius. ]Both born 4 days apart. My mother is an educated "goody two shoes" who is borderline push-over (so really really nice), while my nephew has always been a 'delinquent' [currently in juvenile hall] -- they are 100% different people with the same sun sign.

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I wish my Virgo would be a different kind of man. Unfortunately, I can't change him (nor have the rights.) Ditto the situation...

It takes 2 to tango, so I blame myself as well. I think he's always been in front of crowds, so I guess he likes the limelight and how people admire and give him attention. That could be the root of the problem, because I became really busy and tired in general and couldn't give attention even to myself. And I guess he picked up these little details and took them personally while they weren't intentional.

posted July 13, 2013 06:03 PM            

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And he punished me by withdrawing his attention in return while he was in love with me. This sounds kinda 5 of Swordish, right?

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Yes, sounds like it. With me - out of a relationship - this is how it first played out: I asked a receptionist nicely if they had called my number (I was sitting far away from them, so I thought I might have missed their call for me). So, I asked her nicely, "Hello, have you guys called me yet?" and explained why I was asking - her reply: "Mam, you need to have a seat." WTF..I didn't hear her clearly when she told me that, so I simply said, "OH OK" turned to the other receptionist who was on the computer and ASKED her, LOL. I didn't really hear clearly what the first receptionist told me at first, and realized afterwards what she had said. Well, the receptionist on the computer quickly took my number right then and there . As you can see, I didn't really do anything to 'provoke' this other woman. I was very polite..

The second time was yesterday. I was made to wait 6 hours to in the end be re-scheduled when she could have just told me in an hour tops that they weren't ready to see me. So I went to the 2nd appointment, and again rescheduled (this time they didn't make me wait hours on end, but I wasted time, money, and effort as I suffer from insomnia so it's difficult for me to be up early, etc).

Third time before I went I made sure to call them before I went in to make sure they had my papers ready. I also sent a complaint e-mail to their company, which must have gotten the worker + one of the receptionists (who was nice to me) in trouble. I'm glad the worker got in trouble, but not the receptionist -- hopefully it was just her day off, and nothing more. After the third time, a different worker took me in, and was sooo nice to me and attentive -- etc...

posted July 13, 2013 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Lol -- yea. I know many Virgos who I'm close with, and we're all sooo different! The Moon and ASC greatly influence our ways. I'm Virgo, my kids, our dog, their uncle, my cousin, a couple of childhood friends, friends from college, middle school, HS..

we're all so different it's really weird.

My mother and nephew are Sagittarius. ]Both born 4 days apart. My mother is an educated "goody two shoes" who is borderline push-over (so really really nice), while my nephew has always been a 'delinquent' [currently in juvenile hall] -- they are 100% different people with the same sun sign.

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My bf's a badass, super intelligent, and very caring. I'm a bit of a goody two shoes, but we both have very strong personality clashes XD.

posted July 13, 2013 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by MetalAphrodite:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
[b]Lol -- yea. I know many Virgos who I'm close with, and we're all sooo different! The Moon and ASC greatly influence our ways. I'm Virgo, my kids, our dog, their uncle, my cousin, a couple of childhood friends, friends from college, middle school, HS..

we're all so different it's really weird.

My mother and nephew are Sagittarius. ]Both born 4 days apart. My mother is an educated "goody two shoes" who is borderline push-over (so really really nice), while my nephew has always been a 'delinquent' [currently in juvenile hall] -- they are 100% different people with the same sun sign.

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My bf's a badass, super intelligent, and very caring. I'm a bit of a goody two shoes, but we both have very strong personality clashes XD.

I love this person. Even though his combined Cap Venus and Virgoan Mars have been intimidating, I think it will be worth it bottomline.[/B][/QUOTE]

posted July 14, 2013 02:59 AM            

For all the real life situations. I do get those examples, thanks.

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Originally posted by MetalAphrodite:
I usually paraphase cards so I can learn them quicker then alter the meanings as they come.

For me, the 5 of swords has always been "you've won the battle, but lost the war." I see this card as arguments between two people who mean something to the other(if there was no connection at all, there would be no sense of loss here) who can't just let go of the situation that is causing a serious rift between the two.

In all due reality, this situation is mere petty squabbling in the grand scheme of things. You may actually be very right, but what will you sacrifice to make this point? Your choice will lead you to say goodbye to this person and/or situation. It may be time to cut away the dead weight and move forward in your path.

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posted July 14, 2013 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Emsie:
It's indeed a nasty card. I used to get it months ago as how a previous love interest felt for me (yes, that one who made me suffer heavily by shutting me out with his nasty Virgo-style icy-cold cut...)

Now, I'm quite enlightened, because I think he had the 'victim-mentality', so he did what he felt was good for only him - he thought I deserved being shut out. He did it, but it was a 'false-win' for him - is it a winning situation where you completely alienate someone you love?!

In my opinion, ego and pride definitely operate in the situation if you get this nasty 5 of Swords. And someone def acts childishly.

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