posted September 10, 2019 03:52 AM            

I do not have your natal data/chart ... So, are you able to draw just those 5 planets (and the 17H, 34, 68H aspect lines to them*) on your Astrodienst natal chart wheel - and post that here?

[*Perhaps using different colours for the lines of each aspect level - and including the out-of-orb Saturn aspects, as your interest in/knowledge of astrology makes you "above average sensitivity".]

posted September 10, 2019 04:16 AM            

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Thank you for demonstrating that natal charts showing harmonic aspects can be drawn without having to purchase any software. ... Moreover, the effort involved can be reduced, by drawing the aspect lines onto printed copies* of one's Astrodienst "without aspect lines" natal chart. And for astrologers/pattern-recognisers, a picture is indeed better than 1000 words of explanation.

[*Or onto a digital copy, by using a graphics program.]

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241116.html

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In trick 9 at http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_tricks_e.htm 0123456789nt = sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars, jupiter, saturn, uranus, neptune, pluto. mean node (n) and true node (t)

When using this trick, the internal code for Chiron is C (for those who would like to be able to include that asteroid as one of the selected objects in the chart.)

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posted September 12, 2019 03:12 AM            

There is also a 17H aspect/modifying-influence from Jupiter to Venus (which I had not noticed in the 17H chart).

For clarity, I have drawn only these aspects in your posted natal chart (shown below). ... Solid magenta lines = 17H : dotted magenta lines = 34H : solid blue lines = 68H.

Note that Saturn-Uranus-Neptune make a 68H triangle. This is not easy to see in the image, but is likely to be a significant influence in the chart.

posted September 12, 2019 05:17 AM            

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I'm familiar with the energetic themes of 2-9, though not so much the 17th.

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1. The first level/"vibration" of a harmonic aspect is the related prime number. And ... 1 : 2 : 3 : 5 : 7 : 11 : 13 : 17 : 19 : 23 : 29 : 31 are (currently) the only prime number harmonic aspects for which a recent "working interpretation" is available (via the research of David Cochrane and David Hamblin*).

2. The first "vibration" of all odd-numbered harmonics manifests as an internal process. For example, if the 5-series is about (say) " an intellectual ability to identify patterns", that process will begin as a 5H/"thinking" process which only the chart owner will be aware of.

3. The 2-series of harmonic aspects provide the mechanism through which the chart owner will "externalise" the results of his/her internal manifestations of odd-numbered harmonic aspects. So, in the above example, the initial 5H pattern-recognition produces an "idea" ... which is then presented to others via a 10H/(5H x 2H) aspect - or a 20H, 40H, 80H, etc.

4. This externalisation by the 2-series of harmonic aspects enables the chart owner to obtain feedback from others - which enables him/her to modify them if he/she chooses to do so.

5. The behavioural traits created by harmonic aspects are rooted in the subconscious - and, as the harmonic aspect number increases, so do the depth of those roots. ... Hence, chart-owners will find it easier to recognise (in themselves) the behavioural traits of lower-numbered harmonic aspects - and may never be able to recognise the traits which are deeply embedded in their subconscious mind.

6. Whether feedback from others is positive or negative - and valid or invalid - will depend upon (some) factors which are outside the control of the chart owner. For example, a valid idea might be resisted by others because they are not yet "ready" to understand it - as in the case of (say) Einstein's Theory of Relativity.

[*In his 2019 book Harmonic Astrology In Practice, David Hamblin gives "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" as a working interpretation for the 17th harmonic aspect. ... However, (imo) this is the peaceful/socially-acceptable rebelliousness, subversiveness and campaigning for change that is achieved via the intellect - rather than the kind which is achieved by a physical "storming of the Bastille".)

posted September 12, 2019 11:14 AM            

So ... only their 17H/34H/68H interactions (and the working interpretations of David Hamblin/David Cochrane*) is "new".

[* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJNPzB7ckU - "interest in the way people understand, experience, interpret and find meaning in their lives" (David Cochrane). ... "Rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" (David Hamblin).]

In your natal chart ... Venus is being directly "shaped" by it's 17th harmonic aspect to the slower-moving Jupiter and Pluto - and externalising ("where it currently stands on that") via the 34H aspect to Uranus and the 68H aspect to Saturn. Whilst Saturn and Uranus are communicating directly with each other, via the 68H triangle that is hard to see.

Those 68H aspects are 17H behavioural traits that are manifesting from deep within your subconscious mind (4H) - which makes them difficult to see in yourself. ... But, have you already identified them in the self-analyses you have done before this one?

And ... do you think it is significant that all four outer planets are interacting with (and only with) personal planet Venus? ... (But note also the Moon-Mercury-Jupiter aspects in the 17H chart.]

posted September 12, 2019 07:42 PM            

I can certainly see the effects of Pluto/Jupiter and my Venus - particularly regarding my love style. Venus in Aries lives to be a flirty "devil-may-care" sort of lass, but Pluto desires obsession, consumption, all-or-nothing platitudes, and Jupiter just wants "more more more" at the expense of everything else.

posted September 13, 2019 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Wow, thank you for taking the time to break all of that down for me! Complex and interesting stuff.

I can certainly see the effects of Pluto/Jupiter and my Venus - particularly regarding my love style. Venus in Aries lives to be a flirty "devil-may-care" sort of lass, but Pluto desires obsession, consumption, all-or-nothing platitudes, and Jupiter just wants "more more more" at the expense of everything else.

Regarding the significant of all four planets and Venus.. yes, it makes sense. I feel that there are so many people existing within me that wants a million different relationship styles and it's hard to reconcile all of them. I've tried to accommodate these needs with.. strange results in my life.

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So ... you can identify how the 17H aspects are modifying your Venus - and how Venus in Aries/7th is operating as "the planet of attraction". ... But, not (yet) how the 34H and 68H aspects are modifying Venus via 4th house interactions with others?

How would you be described by members of your family? And, do you have any Saturnian/Uranian/Neptunian friends whom you consider to be "family"?