posted June 12, 2020 05:47 AM              

So ... two objectives/purposes in the current life that are very different, yet each dependant upon the successful completion of the other ... and both contained by a security-seeking bathtub, from which the "baby"/chart-owner does not want to leave the warm water comfort zone (of the lower chart hemisphere) for the cold air stimulation zone (of the upper chart hemisphere).

Hence ... this soul has created the natal chart to produce life experiences which force the ego/chart owner to develop "as intended" in the current lifetime ... however uncomfortable that might be. And, to the ego that is accompanying the soul in the current lifetime, life will seem unbearable until he follows the natally charted path willingly and without complaint/regret.

Moreover, because our one-lifetime ego is unaware of the past life karma of the soul it is accompanying, it fails to evoke the Law of Grace or/and to recognise why "there is no greater love than that of an ego which sacrifices its one lifetime for the sake/development of its attached reincarnated eternal soul".

Hence, the ego instinctively focuses upon what he wants from this lifetime rather than upon what his soul needs. ... And - until that focus is consciously changed by the ego - suffering/misery is the mechanism through which the soul attempts to make him "see the light".

posted June 12, 2020 11:59 AM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Yes, I Do what I hate to Do.
I never wanted to change myself.
Only situation force me to Do what I never wanted to Do.
In your words getting out of bathtub and freezing in cold air.
Thanks you very much!
I'm waiting for the more. 🤔

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I have now added the more. ... But, do you see yet that your current "raging against fate/destiny" is preventing you from achieving the yod-apex objectives of Chiron and Neptune?

posted June 12, 2020 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I have now added the more. ... But, do you see yet that your current "raging against fate/destiny" is preventing you from achieving the yod-apex objectives of Chiron and Neptune?

For example ... what do you currently believe those objectives to be - and why do you believe that?

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posted June 13, 2020 01:32 AM              

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So according to my chart these misery and suffering will not end until I die ?

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According to your chart, the misery and the suffering will continue until you (actively and consciously) dedicate yourself to achieving the objectives of the bodies at the apex of your two Yods (Chiron and Neptune).

posted June 13, 2020 02:48 AM              

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Even if I knew this truth.
My Ego will never except this.
You know I'm old enough and Ego still failed to accept the reality.
So do you see my Ego ever change ?
I see no ray of light yet.

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We cannot move on until you have reflected upon my previous post; stated what you currently believe to be your natal Chiron + Neptune objectives and explained why you believe that.

posted June 13, 2020 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Chiron + Neptune objectives and explained why you believe that.

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posted June 13, 2020 01:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Please I need help here too.
I have absolutely no knowledge in YOD.
The effect of Chiron + Neptune on my life is totally unknown to me me. I can only explain what i believe and what is going on in my life. There is no PM option here so posting too much details might be an issue in public. But all I can tell you i believe that I Deserve better than doing Slavery and Bully from others in this life. If I miss the point again please help me to find the real answer you looking for. I didn't understand what you want to know regarding Chiron + Neptune actually. Sometimes I'm become so stupid that could not understand simple things. Hope you did not mind.

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I have to now sign off the forum for today, though ... but will return to this thread asap tomorrow.

posted June 14, 2020 10:43 AM              

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I have absolutely no knowledge in YOD.

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The Yod is a triangular aspect pattern, consisting of a 60 degree sextile at the base connected to the apex by two 150 degree quincunxes. ... You have two of them in your natal chart : Sun-Chiron-Neptune and Chiron-Neptune-Pluto.

posted June 15, 2020 04:48 AM              

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[/b] understand now. Thank you.
Now the question is why should I become spiritual ? I never wanted to become spiritual. I never got success in material world. So I always try to grow in this field.[/b]

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Reflect again upon this comment in my previous post here :-

"the Yod is considered to be an indicator of spiritual development - which the chart owner is COMPELLED (rather than impelled) to manifest, either consciously or unconsciously.
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Now right now must be a bad transit running for me.

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That progression is causing you to reflect upon your life path ... where you have come from : where you are now : where you are going to. ... Life is hard because you are using your freewill to insist upon going to a place which your accompanying soul will not allow your ego to (happily) go in this lifetime.

Moreover ... when your progressed Mercury reached 26Virgo50, it activated my natal Sun (at 27Virgo41) - and prompted me to respond to your "progressed moon conjunct descendant" thread. ... Hence, (via progressions and transits) your soul is attempting to attract people (like me) to express (in words) the message it has (so far) failed to get you to hear (via its "still, small voice within".

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I see this suffering is life long process. I will never become Spiritual and will always suffer until I die or commit suicide. Every thing in my life so frustrating. A simple thing become a big issue when it comes to me.

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posted June 15, 2020 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
"the Yod is considered to be an indicator of spiritual development - [b]which the chart owner is COMPELLED (rather than impelled) to manifest, either consciously or unconsciously.

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posted June 15, 2020 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
when your progressed Mercury reached 26Virgo50, it activated my natal Sun (at 27Virgo41) - and prompted me to respond to your "progressed moon conjunct descendant" thread. ... Hence, (via progressions and transits) your soul is attempting to attract people (like me) to express (in words) the message it has (so far) failed to get you to hear (via its "still, small voice within".

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posted June 15, 2020 12:56 PM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
It's definitely unconsciously.
Do you think I will become Spiritual without knowing it ? As I told you. I'm telling the Truth that I have NO intention to become a Spiritual Person.
To make my life easier and smoother do I really have to become a spiritual and have to forget about material world ? My Ego never wanted to accept it.

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Yes. ... To make your life easier, you really do have to follow the path that the soul intends/requires you to follow in this lifetime.

Freewill enables you to choose not to follow that path ... but an increasingly difficult life is the price you will pay for doing so.

posted June 15, 2020 01:02 PM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Wow!
I never knew that.
Do you think I will soon meet new people with similar message for for me in real life too ? I think then this is not any coincident. It's pure Astrology. Thank you very much.

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I think you will have been encountering such people since progressed Mercury began activating your natal bathtub configuration (in November 2017) - but you have not yet learned how to recognise them.

posted June 16, 2020 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Somna7H:
[b] It's definitely unconsciously.
Do you think I will become Spiritual without knowing it ? As I told you. I'm telling the Truth that I have NO intention to become a Spiritual Person.
To make my life easier and smoother do I really have to become a spiritual and have to forget about material world ? My Ego never wanted to accept it.

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Yes. ... To make your life easier, you really do have to follow the path that the soul intends/requires you to follow in this lifetime.

Freewill enables you to choose not to follow that path ... but an increasingly difficult life is the price you will pay for doing so.

Hence, those egos which do choose to follow their soul-intended path invariably seem to be materially enriched soon after. ... Perhaps because the finally-allowed-to-grow soul develops so rapidly that others see the person in a new (and very different) light. ... Thus, the one-lifetime ego gets what it always wanted only after it chooses to become the servant (rather than master) of the accompanying eternal soul. [/B][/QUOTE]

posted June 16, 2020 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I think you will have been encountering such people since progressed Mercury began activating your natal [b]bathtub configuration (in November 2017) - but you have not yet learned how to recognise them.

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Yes that's must be the case.
I failed to recognise.

posted June 16, 2020 01:47 AM              

And (astrologically) it is a fact that "nothing in your life will change unless you first change yourself".

posted June 16, 2020 11:51 AM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I don't know actually what is my comfort zone.
Is it living with parent ?
Is it living in birthplace ?
Is it not changing job etc etc ?
And what should I do or aim to change my self ?
I mean what changes I really have to do ?
Is these answers clearly seen in my Natal Chart ?

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It will be all of theses things, and your ego-attachment to the pursuit of material comforts.

In the natal chart, your Chiron wound is being projected into the 6th and 7th houses ... and your Neptune disillusionment is being projected into your 12th, 1st, 2nd and 3rd houses.

To allow your soul to achieve its intended development, your ego has to change what is being projected by Chiron and Neptune. ... So far though, your insistence on "not changing" has prevented us from even beginning to consider what those required changes might be.
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Chiron in Taurus indicates a wound to the self-worth, inflicted during childhood and adolescence. In the 12th house, it can indicate a person who clings to his/her woundedness as a kind of comfort blanket. {I am "worthless" - and thus know that "I Am".)

For you, Neptune in Sagittarius has created a (subconscious) belief that there is no soul within ... resulting in an ego that has a strong desire for material things.

The eternal soul which you are accompanying in the current lifetime has intentionally manifested these beliefs ... to produce a one-lifetime ego that is a replica of a past-life ego which held them so firmly that the soul was unable to develop. So, the current lifetime is round 2 (or perhaps 200) in the soul's fight to make the ego conscious of "the truth" - which now requires Somna7H to "wake up and smell the coffee".

posted June 17, 2020 12:15 AM              

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Yes, I'm Worthless.
No, I'm not saying this
People saying this including my mom, brother, all relative, authority at work etc etc almost all.
I never thought myself as worthless.
I'm a Practical man.
To survive in this Cruel World you need food, shelter etc. For that you need money. For that I do work. Some people rely on other's money. I'm not lucky enough in that matter. Not I don't earn enough to live my own. I'm talking about min requirements. So I depend on my mom and brother. That's why they treat me bad. My Job give no social status. In my country if don't earn enough or your job is manual labor then society and people will humiliate you and treat you badly in every step of life.

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Since you seem unable to break the bonds of your conditioning whilst in your current environment/"comfort zone", my guess is that soul-development will require you to move to another environment.

If/when you choose to move on with your life, your soul will attract whatever is needed for your survival. But, you are not yet able to trust it to do so ... and I have done all I can to encourage you to change that - so must now accept that you may never be able to let go of your childhood conditioning, and move on myself.