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Topic: English--A very difficult language,
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2003 03:07 PM
juniperbI'm Sorry, soooo Sorrry  But you have to stop that---immediately. I've got my own lyrics zipping along my neurons and I've only got a "one track mind".  School Days  Nothing to do, Nellie Darling, Oh, there's nothing to do, you say, Let's take a trip On the Memory Ship, And sail back to the good old days. Sail to the old village schoolhouse, Anchor outside the school door, Look in and see, There's you and there's me, A couple of kids once more. School days, school days, Dear old golden rule days. 'Readin' and 'ritin' and 'rithmetic, Taught to the tune of a hick'ry stick. You were my queen in calico, I was your bashful barefoot beau, And you wrote on my slate, 'I love you, Joe,' When we were a couple of kids. IP: Logged |
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posted August 07, 2003 04:05 PM
jwhop-What! How dare you! I have no deficiencies in my education. Seriously though it is not my deficiencies that I am concerned with because actually I learned almost everything from my mother so I am in above average shape. My concern is with being forced to attend a school and pay money for Their education. It is almost guerilla warfare. You are being forced to pay money so that you can waste your own time, and then by the time that you are finished receiving your "quality federally approved education" you have no time (what with the rat race)to actually learn things properly and learn things that you deem relevant to your own course or to the world as you see it because you've got to get into the market-place. This post excludes all of the school teachers that actually loved teaching and particularly two high school English teachers, one who every week gave us a list of words and their greek and sometimes latin roots and I think tested us on them, and another who seemed to have a near obsession with History.  IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 11, 2003 01:06 PM
Education? Hell no, this doesn't even rise to the level of acceptable babysitting! http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/2949.htm IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2003 01:36 PM
That's just terrible! The only way to solve that problem is to fix up the region instead of the school. The environment is what's killing the kids not the material their subjected to in school. But every urban has that problem.-StarLover IP: Logged |
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posted August 17, 2003 11:34 AM
jwhop, just wanted to share that my mom just called me to tell me she overheard a conversation between a man and a woman at the laundromat. The woman, a school teacher, was in her 30's and the man was in his 50-60's. He mentioned something about the draft to her and she didn't know what it was. Not only that, when he mentioned that he was in Vietnam, she replied "Oh, I've heard of that." Odd. IP: Logged |
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posted August 17, 2003 01:39 PM
Maybe she was a math teacher!  IP: Logged |
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posted August 17, 2003 01:54 PM
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2003 04:55 PM
OxyThat conversation your mother overheard manages to be disgusting and discouraging at the same time. Wonder what makes people think they will be able to maintain a high living standard----let alone their freedom, with a 10th rate educational system? No nation ever climbed to affluence and freedom through ignorance---or managed to retain them either!.  jwhop IP: Logged |
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posted August 17, 2003 09:22 PM
I guess the importance of teaching has been forgotten by many. Some people don;t care about the lives of others. Disgusting indeed, jwhop.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2003 12:27 AM
Look at it this way. If the goal of the so called education establishment was to screw up the public school systems, they couldn't have done any worse than the abominable disaster they've created.jwhop IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2003 09:16 AM
Oxy, I overheard some young people talking the other night; seems they had heard Gordon Lightfoots song "Black Day in July" aka Motorcity madness. They wondered if anything like that could really happen in Detroit They must have been 18-20 years old. How can we learn if we don`t know the past? These young people are the future here in MI.? At least they were thinking and maybe, enough to actually look into the history of their state. @ Star, math teacher. juniperb  IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2003 09:29 AM
For non Michiganders or Gordon Lightfoot fans  Black Day in July Black day in july Motor city madness has touched the countryside And through the smoke and cinders You can hear it far and wide The doors are quickly bolted And the children locked inside Black day in july Black day in july And the soul of motor city is bared across the land As the book of law and order is taken in the hands Of the sons of the fathers who were carried to this land Black day in july Black day in july In the streets of motor city is a deadly silent sound And the body of a dead youth lies stretched upon the ground Upon the filthy pavement No reason can be found Black day in july Black day in july Motor city madness has touched the countryside And the people rise in anger And the streets begin to fill And there's gunfire from the rooftops And the blood begins to spill Black day in july In the mansion of the governor There's nothing that is known for sure The telephone is ringing And the pendulum is swinging And they wonder how it happened And they really know the reason And it wasn't just the temperature And it wasn't just the season Black day in july Black day in july Motor city's burning and the flames are running wild They reflect upon the waters of the river and the lake And everyone is listening And everyone's awake Black day in july Black day in july The printing press is turning And the news is quickly flashed And you read your morning paper And you sip your cup of tea And you wonder just in passing Is it him or is it me Black day in july In the office of the president The deed is done the troops are sent There's really not much choice you see It looks to us like anarchy And then the tanks go rolling in To patch things up as best they can There is no time to hesitate The speech is made the dues can wait Black day in july  Black day in july The streets of motor city now are quiet and serene But the shapes of gutted buildings Strike terror to the heart And you say how did it happen And you say how did it start Why can't we all be brothers Why can't we live in peace But the hands of the have-nots Keep falling out of reach Black day in july Black day in july Motor city madness has touched the countryside And through the smoke and cinders You can hear it far and wide The doors are quickly bolted And the children locked inside 
Gordon Lightfoot.
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posted August 18, 2003 01:55 PM
In order to defend public schools I will say that they do work for the most part. They are free and most kids do graduate and go on to college. Most people do make it in life. But in my heart of hearts I think public schools are being attacked by big people who don't care about the average person like you and me. Do you get my drift? For instance all of the new textbooks are far worse then the ones from many years before. If you have kids, look at their math textbooks, you might not be able to understand basic math concepts that are in them. Everything is scattered around and almost nothing is relevant to the learning. Even history books are flawed and they edit many of the real facts. -StarLover IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2003 03:00 PM
Hi StarLoverDo you believe dilution of the educational curriculum contributes to the educational experience of students? Is it in their best interests to pass them to the next grade level when they cannot complete the work at their present grade level. Is it fair to students to graduate them from high school when they cannot score 70% on a 10th grade level test? 80%? 90%? Do you believe acceptance to a university is an indication a student has been educated to at least a 12th grade level? Or, do you believe college entrance tests have been watered down? Who do you think the "big" people are who are hurting education? Who do you think makes decisions about which textbooks are used in the various public school systems? Education is not, repeat not free. The cost is approximately $325,000,000,000 per year, the cost born primarily by local property taxes on every piece of real estate in the country. The balance is made up of state taxes and a federal contribution from the general budget of the United States which has increased by about 69% in the Bush Administration. jwhop IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2003 11:43 AM
Freshmen in a fogMost college-bound grads likely to muddle through math, science By Rebecca Jones, Rocky Mountain News August 20, 2003 The majority of college freshmen starting classes this fall may be in for a rude shock when they take their first college math or science course. Only about 40 percent of college-bound high school graduates appear adequately prepared for college math and only 26 percent are likely to do well in college science, according to nationwide ACT scores released today.---------------- http://insidedenver.com/drmn/education/article/0,1299,DRMN_957_2194730,00.html jwhop IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2003 12:18 PM
L'Etat Cest Vous (You are the State) Phil Brennan Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2003 http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/20/12944.shtml IP: Logged |
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posted August 20, 2003 01:43 PM
I'm sorry Star, but I would have to say otherwise to your public school defense...The majority of public schools DO NOT do their job, usually only in affluent areas are they even worth a sh*t... most kids don't go to college unless in an affluent area... and in poor areas (which also tend to have the higher population densities) the graduation rate is pitiful... and virtually no one goes to college after... but that's only from the reports I've heard/read... IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 27, 2003 09:25 PM
Making real progress on the education front------NOT!I suggest they give their teachers the same test they're giving the high school seniors----embarrassment all around. Story from the Baltimore Sun Half of students fail unofficial exit exams at Md. high schools. Scores eventually will count toward graduation; Wide racial, economic gaps http://www.sunspot.net/news/education/bal-te.md.schools27aug27,0,3189672 .story?coll=bal-home-headlines jwhop IP: Logged |