posted May 11, 2004 11:17 PM            

Comparing terrorists deliberately targeting civilians to American military forces who take every precaution to not harm Iraqi civilians, even if that puts our military forces at greater risk is another comparison that is total BS, but typical from you.

Who the hell do you think American forces would be detaining in Iraq Ozone, the French? Who's doors do you think they would be looking behind to find terrorists in Iraq, the Germans?

If you think the US will soon come to an end, why the hell not get out now and avoid the rush to the borders?

There are some people in America that wish our country ill and I'm beginning to form the conclusion you're one of them. Please tell me Ozone, just what is it you love about America. Certainly none of that ever shows up in your posts.

posted May 11, 2004 11:19 PM              

I think you could channel your energy toward something more positive than letting jwhop get the best of you. It seems almost like a little game on his part from where I sit. (I appologize if that offends jwhop). It doesn't seem too difficult to get you to blow your top.

I know that I don't know you, so my opinions probably won't mean much to you.

posted May 12, 2004 12:20 AM            

To this I state to all that I'll ever have to state to anybody that witnesses this...

Ready folks?

*Takes deep breath*

JWHOP, for the past few weeks now, you have pretty much done everything that one and all could possibly imagin, in your very own(and the only one's that side with you)power(s) to push every button that you could push of mine to get me to the direction that you seem to quest a great desire for.BUT do you know what JW,what if I told you that all of it doesn't really matter to me,I mean... all of it?

You see, you can reason all you want,you can give me all the facts and figures that you can,you can convince every Republican in the world to fight against me,you can belittle me all you want,you can embarrass me all you can,you can make all the rules on this site(and a hundred sites like this one)work only for you to go against me with,you can stomp,scream,shout, jump up and down in a chicken suit(if all I care)and you can fight me 'til we both reach to the underside of hELL,but nothing of this(or anything else in that matter)is going to work,because by this coming November,I WILL walk to that voting booth and I'm still going to vote for Kerry,just to make absolute certain that I've played my part into (with trial and effort) to making sure that George W. Bush goes home alas.

You might as well shoot me JWHOP,because(and I think that I've stated this before)in the long run...

...the decision is still my own!

posted May 12, 2004 01:54 AM            

Being more direct and pointed isn't a sign of blowing my top I don't blow my top as you call it. Nor am I trying to convert Ozone into a conservative or get him to blow his top or anyone else for that matter.

Of course, your opinion is valued

Ozone, how could 3-4 conservatives on this forum gang up on all the liberals here?

So, we've managed to turn you into a determined Kerry voter then?
What makes you think we don't have the computer voting machines rigged? When you push that submit button you may be voting for Bush whether you wanted to or not.

Besides, I know someone in Pennsylvania who's going to cancel your vote out anyway and there's no way she won't be voting.

posted May 12, 2004 10:35 AM            

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Besides, I know someone in Pennsylvania who's going to cancel your vote out anyway and there's no way she won't be voting.

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posted May 12, 2004 11:20 AM              

Just seems to me that ozone (in many instances) is playing into your little hands.

C'mon jwhop... don't you think maybe, just a little, on some level you take some pleasure in goading ozone into making the off-the-cuff, inflamatory statments he is infamous for?

Not saying you are in anyway responsible for his(re)actions. We are all responsible for ourselves. Your words aren't nearly as crass as ozone's. You clearly have an excellent command of the English language, which I have a lot of respct for... although you may not be able to tell it with all my typos... I need spell check! Along with the ability to use the English language so elloquently comes the gift of making distasteful language sound somehow pleasent, and might I add, a bit overly righteous.

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posted May 12, 2004 12:28 PM            

Ozone was blowing his top and making wild inflammatory statements before I said anything. In fact, I think you have cause and effect mixed up in this case. I would much rather discuss the merits of policy instead of focusing on Ozone's crass, untrue and inflammatory statements.

I wholly agree we are all responsible for our actions so, when a group of people sets about to undermine our legislated national policy by marching, holding rallies, signing impeachment petitions, spreading lies, preaching insurrection and giving aid and comfort to our enemies, they're going to get some personal attention. Further, if those protests are in support of our enemies and led by organized groups whose goal is the destruction of our governmental and economic systems they're going to get even more attention. Further, when those actions have the effect of giving our enemies the mistaken idea that if they just hold on the American left will force a policy change, as it did in Viet Nam and also causes the death of more American Military personnel, then they're going to get all the attention they have coming.

I know notions of right and wrong aren't fashionable. Call me old fashioned.

BTW, your english seems crisp and clean to me.

jwhop

posted May 12, 2004 01:13 PM            

Now JW, I know (for a fact)that your NOT talking about the Demorcrats doing any of these things!

How many times did the house committee of representives(including Newt Gingrich) swore that they would have Bill Clinton arrested for false testomony onto the aligations of the Monica Lewinsky case,how many times did they insist that they were going to IMPEACH the President for his wrong doing?

There's has not been one shread of evidence of WMDs in Iraq,but are we not in Iraq anyway,are we not in Iraq ANYWAY???!!! And for what reason, to eliminate Saddam Hussien and to rebuild Iraq and to give Iraq sovereignty and to who? Well nobody really knows,but I'm sure that it will end up in the hands of Suadi Arabia soon enough! YEAH, the guys that run OPEC,the government that is reponsible of Osama Bin Laden's legency onto maiming and killing innocent lives to the Al-Quaida network! That's who!

And the administraion has been lying to the American people throughout this whole charade of events that BEEN going on since Bush's inauguration as president of the United States of America and with the help of the underhanded workings of Donald H. Rumsfeld and of George Herbert Walker Bush Sr. over the Liberation Act that was written up by ol'Rummy,(two other Republicans and two Demorcrats I should add to) and signed by Bill Clinton himself.

posted May 12, 2004 02:15 PM            

The House of Representatives is not a committee. The House of Representatives cannot arrest or cause the arrest of the President under any conditions. The House of Representatives did Impeach Clinton. Clinton was Impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" as specified in the Constitution, specifically for perjury and obstruction of justice. Clinton, as President was considered to be the not only Commander in Chief but also head of the Federal Law enforcement agencies in the US. Clinton gave perjured testimony in a civil trial in Arkansas, was fined $90,686 by an Arkansas judge and paid a settlement to Paula Jones of $850,000. Clinton deserved to be Impeached when as a federal officer in a position of trust, he swore a false affidavit to a court of law. It only makes it worse that Clinton was an officer of the court, having a license to practice law in that state. He was also stripped of his license to practice law in his home state of Arkansas for 5 years and will have to pay a $25,000 fine to have his law license reinstated.

More lies Ozone and you didn't offer a single bit of proof to back up your wild and inflammatory allegations. On the other hand, WMD has been found in Iraq, including banned missiles and components to make chemical weapons. In addition, large quantities of "yellow cake" was found, which is refined uranium, the component, when enriched becomes bomb grade plutonium. Further, an al Qaida terrorist has confessed to attempting to bomb a complex in Jordan with chemical weapons which was estimated to have been capable of killing 80,000 if it had been successful. The chemicals are in the possession of the Jordanians. Those chemicals came from Syria who many believe was the recipient of Saddam's WMD.

posted May 12, 2004 02:55 PM            

In 1998, as a result of issues surrounding personal indiscretions with a young woman White House intern, Clinton was the second U.S. president to be impeached by the House of Representatives. He was tried in the Senate and found not guilty of the charges brought against him. He apologized to the nation for his actions and continued to have unprecedented popular approval ratings for his job as president.

Paula Jones,

former Arkansas state employee, filed an appeal after her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton was dismissed by U.S. district judge Susan Webber Wright on April 1. The judge concluded that even if the allegations against Clinton were true, Jones's lawyers failed to prove any emotional, financial, or professional harm from the alleged incident.

Source: MEMRI

Middle East Media Research Institute
Special Dispatch Series - No. 497 May 1, 2003 No.497
Nuclear Scientists in Iraq: Citizens Stole Uranium and Other Dangerous Materials

The Qatari television station Al-Jazeera recently interviewed two Iraqi scientists employed by Iraq’s Nuclear Energy Authority - Dr. Hamid Al-Bahali, an expert in nuclear engineering and a graduate of the Moscow Institute of Nuclear Engineering, and Dr. Muhammad Zeidan, a biology expert and a graduate of Damascus and Baghdad Universities. The scientists discussed the looting of the Nuclear Authority after the war. The following are excerpts from the interview:

Dr. Al-Bahli: "I have been working at the Nuclear Authority since 1968, when the doors opened to the use of atomic [energy] for peaceful purposes in Iraq. We activated the first atomic reactor in Iraq in 1968, and within four days we transferred radioactive isotopes to hospitals to treat various illnesses. Since then, and up to 1990, we continued this type of work which was absolutely for peaceful and humanitarian purposes..."

"As for nuclear weapons, Al-Tawitha, the main area that we will be talking about, is free of weapons of mass destruction and as far as I know, nothing was done there in this respect..."

"What happened in Iraq did not happen before anywhere else in the whole world, and I hope will never happen again; there was anarchy. After hearing that radioactive components were stolen, the employees of the Nuclear Authority started informing people that the materials that were stolen were indeed radioactive and should be returned. A person who has dirty radioactive components is in danger. How is he going to behave? He may behave in a way that would harm Iraq’s ecology and even [cause harm] outside Iraq..."

"Tons of uranium known as yellow cakes were stored in barrels. This was a phase in the production of uranium from crude components. There were also other by-products from processing these materials. There were tens of tons of radioactive waste. They were stored in barrels and their radioactivity was not high as long as they were under supervision."

"When order was disrupted, simple citizens - sorry to say - did not have containers to store drinking water, so they stole those barrels, each one containing 400 kilos of radioactive uranium. Some of them dumped the powder on the ground in very large quantities, and others took the contaminated barrels to their homes, and the barrels appeared in various areas. They stored water in them, and had every intention of drinking from them or [using] the barrels to sell milk."

"I visited some homes and measured radioactivity; I saw with my own eyes in one of the homes a contaminated barrel used to store tomatoes for eating. In other barrels they stored cooking utensils and other household utensils for everyday use, not knowing that some of them were contaminated. When they realized that these components were radioactive, they dumped some of them in the river or the sewer system. We found radioactive materials in homes, in beds, and in clothing. I saw a ten-year old girl, who had a yellow cake [disc] hanging from the button of her shirt."

"Every day I visited 4-5 houses and tested outdoor contamination. There are outdoor and indoor contamination tests, and I tested outdoor contamination because I did not have the means to check indoor contamination. The level of radioactivity on the walls of one of the houses was 30 billion/hour, while experts know that the allowed level is 0.2 which means that it was 500-600 times more than the allowed level."

"The U.S. and other countries in the world spend hundreds of millions of dollars to store and dispose of radioactive materials, now they are in the homes of simple poor people, and they are dumped in the river..."

"In another room [at the Nuclear Energy Authority] there was a large storage [area] for isotopes and radioactive materials, and there were more than 200 barrels of yellow cakes and uranium oxide. These materials spilled on the ground. It was obvious that they tried to steal [them], because they broke the windows and doors. This powdery substance can disperse in the air. If a strong wind blows, it can carry these quantities to great distances outside the region..."

"I entered the compound of the [Nuclear Energy] Authority with my colleague and saw that all the doors, except in four places, were opened by the invading forces. I understood that the invading forces knew what was [in store] at the Authority, and that was the reason why they did not open these doors, where there were insects [to be used as biological insecticides]."

"I was very concerned, so I went to the Iraqi police... I told them in so many words: I am not interested in the property of the Nuclear Energy Authority. The only thing that interests me is protecting those people from harmful insects, since there are four labs full of those insects. I want you to send four cars to protect the place."

"We contacted the Americans. They came and talked to us... they took us to the American base, they took information from us about these insects and we explained to them everything in details. After that they told us: 'We will do what is necessary...' Nothing was done. He said that he would take the necessary steps immediately... I cannot explain this [American] behavior..."

"I say to the head of the [International] Atomic Energy Agency, Muhammad Al-Barad’i, that the first step that should be taken is to remove the uranium. Why did they remove the radioactive fuel and leave these other materials?!! Second, there should be a coordinated international testing of radioactive levels in the region and the indoor levels in people who were exposed to radioactivity. Third, there should be treatment [for] people who were affected..."

"Dr. Zeidan talked about the expected ecological disaster from releasing thousands of flies known as chrysomya bezziana, nicknamed screw worm, which were bred by the Nuclear Authority to be used as biological farming insecticides. The flies were released by the looters and were expected to harm animals in Iraq and neighboring countries. These flies were to be released after being sterilized. However, the flies that were actually released in large quantities were not sterilized."

"Dr. Zeidan related his efforts to contact the American forces to warn them of the dangers at the Nuclear Energy Authority:"

"'I tried to reach the Authority in order to tell the American soldiers about the dangers. There was strong Marine protection. The tragedy occurred after the Marines retreated and were replaced with other soldiers; the Authority remained without protection. They were aware of the situation because Dr. Al-Barad’i, the director of the [International Atomic Energy Agency], called them to come and protect Al-Tawitha area... to avoid radioactive and biological contamination...'"

"'In every country there are weak people and thieves alongside good people. What happened was... that those insects were released before being sterilized, because when the war started, the employees fled and left the insects inside the building... the looters came in, removed the air conditioning units and the doors and released the insects...'"

"Dr. Zeidan said that the Marines, under the command of an officer named Mike, tried to protect the place, and he added: 'I saw a person using a barrel that used to contain radioactive materials to carry milk to the dairy. He bought the plastic barrels from citizens not knowing that they were contaminated, and started to use them to carry milk to the dairy. We told Mike, who escorted us, about that... [and] they brought instruments to measure radioactivity in the area. But on the following day, despite the fact that we set up a time for a meeting - they refused to meet with us...'"(1)

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Further, an al Qaida terrorist has confessed to attempting to bomb a complex in Jordan with chemical weapons which was estimated to have been capable of killing 80,000 if it had been successful. The chemicals are in the possession of the Jordanians. Those chemicals came from Syria who many believe was the recipient of Saddam's WMD.

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...many believe?