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Topic: I DARE you to say one nice thing...
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Isis
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 16, 2004 01:34 PM
  
About your political opposite.I'll start. I think liberalism can be good because at its best it's openminded. (That's not to say convservatives are close-minded, but the fundamental definition of liberal implies more openmindedness to new things). There  I could continue (because I actually think both sides are neccessary to keep balance to the whole - sans the fanatics), but I'll give someone else the chance to say something nice.  ------------------
“The good things which belong to prosperity are to be wished, but the good things that belong to adversity are to be admired.” Seneca IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted July 16, 2004 03:18 PM
I'm pretty sure I've said this before...I appreciate Conservatives. Especially because I'm an Air sign and a Liberal. Conservatives help ground us. Keep our noses to the grind stone. Without Conservatives, Liberals would all be flying high in the sky looking at all the pretty colors down on earth, AND our series of checks and balances would be SCREWED. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted July 16, 2004 03:29 PM
*clears throat*I have another. GWB, like him or not... In his younger years he had a terrible problem with chemical dependancy that he has clearly kicked. One thing that I respect about him is that he was able to pull himself by his bootstraps, kick the coke and booze problem and try to get his life back on track. The add campaigns smearing him for his substance abuse a helluva long time ago really bothered me. Especially coming from the left.  I mean really... Wouldn't it be a safe assumption that the majority of the Left has dabbled in drugs? I know I have.... and it was fun *edit*
BTW~ Great topic Isis! C'mon guys! Love and Light. Embrace your enemy. Whacha got? IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted July 16, 2004 03:34 PM
Here! Here! Yes, fun - but glad those days are over. I somehow pulled myself back up too.Oh BTW. I dont have a political opposite. I'm not political. I don't take part in it. I don't even know what lefties, righties, wingbacks or whatever other names there are, all mean. Call me dumb or whatever, I just don't care. It doesnt interest me all to much. I have beliefs but dont label myself. If you want to label me that's fine. (now you can all shake your heads, smile to yourselves and think "What a burnout" ) IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted July 16, 2004 03:48 PM
Naw, 26, I don't want to label you. We aren't all political by nature, but keep in mind, hon, this is pretty much a political forum. I'm not nearly as knowledgable as a lot of people here (jwhop and greg  ) but I'm hear for the sake of learning and sharing.IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted July 16, 2004 03:53 PM
Me too.  Well I don't feel I learn much (by choice). But I share (to the annoyance of many others  ). I just like putting my 2 cents in here and there. It's fun here. Many knowledgeable people that I don't agree with. That's okay though. I have to agree they know thier stuff and are quite intelligent. I particularly like what Gregory and Jaqueline usually have to say.IP: Logged |
divinia
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posted July 16, 2004 07:36 PM
I really like this thread, Isis!Okay, I'll show my colors here. I am a "liberal". I always have been, mainly because I have always felt that civil liberties are so important. Now, however, I have a 2nd reason...my family and I receive governmental support (e.g. food stamps and SSI), so I had *better* be a liberal it seems. One thing I admire about conservatives, however, is that they are usually so secure in their convictions. It often seems to me that liberals don't know what they believe in, but you can be darn sure that most conservatives know *exactly* where they stand. ------------------
Sincerely,
divinia What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness? -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau IP: Logged |
divinia
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posted July 16, 2004 07:38 PM
Sorry about the double post!  IP: Logged |
quiksilver
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posted July 17, 2004 12:27 AM
I think many times people get the wrong idea about conservatives. They're moreso focused on the idea of the COMMUNITY MEMBERS(yes, some of which may be comprised of wealthy business owners with big bucks)giving back to society of their own accord, rather than the idea of government taking their money via increased taxes and distributing it as they (the gov) see fit. I mean, money all comes from the same place anyway (the citizens), so why not let them (us) have greater power over what we decide to do with it? There will always be those people who abuse their status of wealth and do not give back to those in need. However, I think there are more who genuinely wish to give back. I was just reading about a very wealthy business owner who donated 50 million of his own money to open an educational center for underpriveledged children. I think conservatives basically trust (maybe too much?) that people will take care of each other whereas more liberal minded individuals see a need to procure money for the same basic purposes but in a different way, namely raising taxes. It seems the liberals are more pessimistic about the idea of people's ability to give freely, and therefore feel that we must be imposed upon to do so, whereas the conservative view is more optimistic/trusting of people to give without government "prodding" via taxes. Both sides are trying to achieve the same ultimate result but in different ways. Two different sides of the same coin....But the intent is usually truly genuine on both sides, it seems. A balance of forces is always needed. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted July 17, 2004 08:51 AM
I love both sides because it`s the God/Dess`s plan for creation to differ yet build on that difference to create a united harmonious whole.------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Isis
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 17, 2004 02:45 PM
Wow Quicksilver, that's the best way I've ever heard that described. I think both are necessary - I think too much of one side and there's no fun, too much conformity, repressiveness, etc, but on the other side, too much of that leads to not being grounded, unrealistic, self-indulgent, etc. When it comes to politics, without the balance, you have Pol Pots, Husseins, and Hitlers. That's why the founding fathers wanted a system of checks and balances. Another nice thing about liberalism - I've yet to find a conservative-heavy metaphysical site of any kind. LL is the closest I've seen, and even here we're a minority. I know! Let's open an Astrology booth at the GOP convention - maybe Nancy Reagan could be our spokesperson, and we'll introduce conservatives to the joy of Astrology  ------------------
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Rainbow~
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posted July 17, 2004 05:19 PM
Isis....I've been thinking, and thinking, and thinking on that question..."I dare you to say one nice thing about your political opposite."  ...and I can't come up with anything!  ...so then I got ta thinking some more...and realized that I wouldn't be on the other side, if I saw anything nice about "my political opposite." But I'll think some more...maybe I can come up with something...*sigh* Love,
Rainbow
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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 17, 2004 05:41 PM
Rainbow, Somehow I KNEW you would say that. It just seems to fit with your personality. For me, I would say that I agree with what Isis and Quicksilver have both said. I would also add that if it wasn't for the opposite, how would I be able to understand my own views. It is through dissent, disagreement and discussions that we learn to walk in another person's shoes. For those of that have the capacity to emphasize, we try to really place ourselves in another's skin and try to see / feel what they believe. I do not agree with Harpyr's stance on many issues - but I VALUE her passion, her intellect and it teaches me so much. A world without people like her, even though we agree on maybe 10% of issues, would be a very sad world. I am always amazed at how many think conservatives are closeminded and yet from those that I know and from what I read from conservatives here, I see the opposite. I see people trying to explain or defend their conservative stance, while still trying to understand the other side. But again, Rainbow, out of all the "enlightened" people here, I absolutely EXPECTED your post to be just as it was. LOL... IP: Logged |
teaselbaby
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From: Ohio
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted July 17, 2004 06:18 PM
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GWB, like him or not...In his younger years he had a terrible problem with chemical dependancy that he has clearly kicked. One thing that I respect about him is that he was able to pull himself by his bootstraps, kick the coke and booze problem and try to get his life back on track. The add campaigns smearing him for his substance abuse a helluva long time ago really bothered me. Especially coming from the left. [] I mean really... Wouldn't it be a safe assumption that the majority of the Left has dabbled in drugs? I know I have.... and it was fun
I'm more democrat than republican, but I'm not a huge fan of either party. LibraSparkle, I was thinking just the same thing about GWB yesterday, after seeing this thread. I haven't actually dabbled in drugs,  but do respect him for his getting past his addiction, and for staying true to his marriage vows (I don't remember seeing anything about him cheating on Laura anywhere). Although I don't agree with most of his decisions in office, I found myself liking both him and Al gore as people, after watching a "Biography" show dedicated to both of them before the elections (and before the debates, where they both bugged the crap out of me ~ I know that's not a nice thing, but it's true). Angela IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 17, 2004 08:23 PM
Well kuddos to you Pid. How openminded....Who woulda thunk it????Thank you too, for all the lovely things you had to say about me and my personality. How insightful to be able to predcict what I was going to say...You're able to make those judgements about me, I presume - since you know me so well....jeese...how long have we known each other, now???? Love you too... Rainbow
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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
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posted July 17, 2004 09:02 PM
geese? What does water-fowl have to do with your foul temperment? LOL...that was a play on words in case you didn't catch it.Rainbow, I do not have to be around you physically to discern your bitterness. All you have to do is post and from your words one can read exactly the kind of person that you are. Maybe some to not want to call a spade a spade, but you do not intimidate me nor do I find you to be enlightened in the least. I do not think of myself any more advanced than the next Knowflake, but I will not pretend that your words reflect sincerity for your fellow man when you spew vitriol for the other side. What I posted I meant about the other side. I do not post things in order to appear openminded - it is how I am. Even if I have strong beliefs I still want to hear the others side. I also value PEOPLE that believe differently than me. There are many here that I disagree with BUT I still banter with them and compare little stories. I don't even know why I respond to you..for some reason the proverb "Never throw pearls before swine" always pops into my head when I want to respond to your posts...maybe I will learn or maybe my Archer optimism just cannot believe you are as angry and bitter as you come across as being. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 17, 2004 11:28 PM
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you do not intimidate me nor do I find you to be enlightened in the least.
Pid...I'm not trying nor have I EVER tried to intimidate you, nor have I ever claimed to be "enlightened." quote:
All you have to do is post and from your words one can read exactly the kind of person that you are
That's wonderful!!! I really hope that people here CAN tell what kind of person I am from reading my posts. I'm posting here at Lindaland because I am a huge fan of Linda Goodman, having read every one of her books, and am interested in other things metaphysical, as well. I'm not perfect nor am I "enlightened." Nor have I ever claimed to be. Where the heck did you get that, anyway? (I think enlightenmentt takes a lot of lifetimes - yes, many lifetimes of working toward spiritual growth before actually being enlightened - as I understand it) So Pid, if you read into my posts anything beyond that, just because I'm expressing negative opinions about your boy GW Bush and his crew, then you're DEAD WRONG! (but we're all entitled to our opinions. You know what they say! They're like @$$holes. Everyone has one ) quote:
maybe I will learn or maybe my Archer optimism just cannot believe you are as angry and bitter as you come across as being.
Not angry! Not bitter!  On the contrary. I pretty much love life and all the beautiful things it has to offer; Sunsets, poetry, music, love, and oh most especially my two precious grand children. I also treasure my friends, some of whom I've made via cyber space (yes, right here at LL and also the original LL)...I'm a pretty happy camper...for the most part.... I am only angry and bitter at the Bush admininstration and everything they've done! And I am not alone there, so why do you feel it is necessary to "single me out?" You make it sound as tho I am the "only one" who is angry and bitter about all the evil things that have come out of that administration.
Me thinks the attempt at intimidation is coming from YOU...but Pid, know that you do not intimade me either. So stop trying.... Rainbow
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26taurus
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posted July 18, 2004 03:01 AM
Just want to jump in here and say I you, Rainbow AND Pidaua. Recently I have had some very nice conversations with you Pid, in other forums. And I feel like I've made a new friend here in LL.But I do believe Rainbow is sincere in her postings and is not trying to make herself come off as enlightened or better that anyone else. You can attribute my opinion to having similar beliefs as her - but in any case I see positivity coming out of her posts. She is a spiritual warrior - passionate about her personal beliefs (we all are here). That is what I get. I'm not downing you pid - you know I luv ya!! (I think  ) Just jumping in to let Rainbow know I hear her. Keep letting your Love and "Rainbow Light" shine through, Rainbow.
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Rainbow~
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posted July 18, 2004 05:03 AM
Aaawwww....thanks 26....   ....I really am....and you're correct. I AM passionate about my personal beliefs...no doubt, due to Mars in Scorpio in the first house...thank you for seeing that... ...and I love you too, 26....I know sometimes it takes courage to speak up for what you believe in here...and I appreciate your support.... Rainbow
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Harpyr
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posted July 18, 2004 12:51 PM
awww pidaua,
I value and respect your passion and intellect as well. 
Conservatism is important because it values the status quo, stresses the importance of the accumulated knowledge of past generations. (Usually.. I'm trying to ignore the fact that it's often a selective memory of hisstory.. ) In the rush towards 'progress', the accumulated knowledge of the past can sometimes be overlooked and that's where conservatism becomes important.
Now, just don't ask me to say anything positive about the 'new world order' type of neo-conservatism that characterizes the globalization hyper-capitalist republicrats. I'm stumpted to come up with a kind word for them.  I'll have to ponder it some more....
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LittleLadyLeo
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posted July 18, 2004 01:48 PM
With the elections coming up I have been thinking a lot about 'what I am.' Not only beacause of the Presidential race, but here in Missouri the gubernatorial race is really heated. I think I've finally figured out what I am, though.I'm not Republican. I'm not Democrat. I'm an American and a Missourian. I vote for whomever I feel will do the best job for my country and my state, whether they're one party or the other. When I was younger I was a conservative liberal. Through the years and experieinces I'm more a liberal conservative now. No one is right, no one is wrong, we just are. All I can do is live my life the way I see fit and hope that the laws are not changed to keep me from doing this. Blessings and Peace to all.  LLL IP: Logged |
Isis
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 18, 2004 02:46 PM
Ahhh, Rain, not one nice thing to say?  Even those who usually hold the same beliefs as you can find something positive to say about Republicans/Conservatives - so long as people blindly think they are 100% right - that the "other side", regardless of what it is (politics, religion, philosophy, etc), is 100% wrong/bad, there will be continue to be the very things you loathe - war, etc. I mean, c'mon, I didn't ask you to say one nice thing about GWB, I'm trying to get people to think about how both sides of the whole are valuable, no matter which side anyone prescribes to. You can't find just one kind thing to say about conservatism? ------------------
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quiksilver
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posted July 18, 2004 04:14 PM
This is a great thread!!! And thank you to all those who are sharing their thoughts It becomes easier to understand the other side when we are actually LESS passionate about our own views. If we are able to "suspend" our passion even if for just one moment, and adopt a more open away of thinking, it will be that much easier to see that even those who hold drastically opposing views from our own do so (for the most part) for what they believe to be honorable reasons. Once we are able to understand this, we can get on with more communication and exchange of information, instead of the exchange of bullets and firepower. Of course, in this present day, bullets and firepower are an unfortunate necessity, as all humans are not presently capable of being able to put aside their own beliefs for the sake of life and humanity. Over time though, I truly believe that the more people who readily demonstrate this willingness to see all people as a whole (even if only within their own little sphere of surroundings), the more this feeling of brotherhood will spread. Soon, we will all be able to work out our problems and opposing viewpoints via the use of our minds and not via the use of physical force. It is up to us to take responsibility as catalysts for helping to bring about this eventual change in the state of human existance, and what better way to start than with ourselves!! IP: Logged |
quiksilver
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posted July 18, 2004 04:36 PM
Also - this is for Little Lady Leo -
I wanted to say thank you for reading one of my posts (in a thread whose name I can't recall right now) with an open mind devoid of negative prejudgements. I appreciate your feedback on that post although I think that this thread is not the best place to elaborate. However, I noticed that you had posted a response on this thread and figured that since it was a relatively recent one, that you might be back again to read what others had written. Hopefully you'll read this post and know that I took to heart what you had to say and I very much appreciated it!!!IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 18, 2004 05:09 PM
Hello Isis.... quote:
Even those who usually hold the same beliefs as you can find something positive to say about Republicans/Conservatives - so long as people blindly think they are 100% right - that the "other side", regardless of what it is (politics, religion, philosophy, etc), is 100% wrong/bad, there will be continue to be the very things you loathe - war, etc.
Ya know....I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth....Tell me now, Isis......did YOU HEAR ME SAY, " I'm 100% right regardless of whether it's politics, religion, or philosophy?" Huh? Did you hear me say that???? NO YOU DIDN'T! So quit it , already! When I answered that question, I sorta did it with tongue in cheek, altho I really had been searching for something "nice" to say about the "other side." So even tho I was half joking, Pid couldn't wait to jump on my answer as the final word! so she could put her two cents in about "what kind of person I am" " so bitter & angry" etc... So while I actually DID come up with something positive to say....I'VE NOW CHANGED MY MIND, and decided NOT to say it......due to the knee jerk (Rush Limbaugh type) reactions of both you and Pid, over my half joking answer.......so sadly, you've both just proved me wrong about any second thoughts I had finding "something nice" to say about my political opposite...*sigh* quote:
You can't find just one kind thing to say about conservatism?
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