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Rainbow~
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posted October 28, 2004 01:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes...it is much clearer in the second picture.....I even put it in my files and zoomed in closer and there is absolutely no doubt it is some poor woman...*sigh*

I saw the man too....

sad, sad, sad....

Love,
Rainbow

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ozonefiller
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posted October 28, 2004 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here to that Mirandee:

Structural Engineer Describes What Went Wrong Inside The World Trade Center On Sept. 11
Vulnerabilities in the design of New York's World Trade Center (WTC) are likely to have contributed to the collapse of its two main towers and adjacent buildings, according to Ronald O. Hamburger, a structural engineer currently investigating the Sept. 11 disaster.

``These buildings were incredibly strong, especially with respect to resisting dead loads and wind loads, but they also had a number of vulnerabilities,`` Hamburger told a packed auditorium on Nov. 29 when he delivered the second John A. Blume Distinguished Lecture - an annual event sponsored by Stanford`s Blume Earthquake Engineering Center.

``What New York City experienced on Sept. 11 was very much like an earthquake,`` he told the Stanford audience. ``Life loss exceeded anything we in the United States have experienced in an earthquake, and the financial loss exceeded anything we`ve experienced - and it all occurred within one square mile.``

As chief structural engineer and senior vice president of ABS Consulting Inc. in Oakland, Calif., Hamburger is a member of an engineering team commissioned by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) to assess the performance of the WTC and surrounding buildings in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks.

He pointed out that four buildings were immediately destroyed in the WTC assault, and three others suffered irreparable damage and are in the process of being razed. Another half-dozen buildings were harmed structurally but can be repaired, and more than 50 others were damaged by the enormous debris cloud and the burning material that followed the collapse of the twin towers.

``Thirty million square feet of commercial space were affected, including 10 million square feet that were taken out permanently - the equivalent of all the financial office space in the city of San Francisco,`` he noted.

Hijackers` plan

Using photographs of the WTC taken before, during and after the Sept. 11 assaults, Hamburger presented a brief chronology of events. He noted that the first jetliner banked into the north tower at a 45-degree angle, damaging floors 92 to 95. About 40 minutes later, the second jet crashed into the south tower, hitting floors 78 to 84.

``I believe that the hijackers flew the aircraft into the lowest part of the buildings they had access to,`` Hamburger commented. ``If there had been no nearby structures, they would have hit the towers lower.``

One member of the audience asked Hamburger if he believed that the pilots intentionally banked the planes at an angle to take out as many floors as possible.

``Yes,`` he replied.

According to Hamburger`s preliminary analysis, the impact of the jetliners shattered and fractured two-thirds of the support columns on one face of each tower, causing the partial collapse of several floors. Debris penetrated each building`s core and may have damaged the core columns located in the center of the 110-story structures.

``The damaged columns held up the weight of the building, so logic would dictate that the building would fall,`` said Hamburger, ``but that didn`t happen. Because of its great structural redundancy, the load was distributed to other parts of the building. We have reason to believe that, without the fire, the buildings could have stood indefinitely and been repaired. But we did have a fire.``

Born of fire

Hamburger noted that the fuel in both jetliners burned off rapidly, despite media reports that the aircraft continued burning long after the crash.

``The impact probably caused a failure of the fireproofing in the affected areas,`` he said. ``We think that the fuel ignited several floors in the building,`` he added, which had a devastating effect on the steel support beams.

``Steel is born of fire,`` Hamburger explained. ``As it`s reheated, it expands and loses its rigidity. Above 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, it loses a significant amount of its strength.``

He said the extreme heat from the fires might have caused the steel floors to expand and bow, which may have caused the support columns to bend inward and buckle. Heat also may have caused the steel flooring to separate from the columns, or the columns themselves may have heated up and buckled outward.

Hamburger and his colleagues have not yet determined which of these scenarios occurred on Sept. 11, but there is little doubt that the collapse of the upper floors of the WTC towers brought down both structures.

``Think of the impact of dropping a 25-story building straight down,`` Hamburger told the audience. ``It was like a pile driver, which is why it collapsed as it did.``

Vulnerabilities

While acknowledging the many innovations that went into the design of the WTC towers in the 1960s - including one of the earliest applications of computer stress analysis - Hamburger also cited several features that made the buildings vulnerable to the intense fires that ultimately caused their collapse.

``The floor trusses [joists] were relatively flimsy. As the tower collapsed, the trusses just fell apart,`` he observed, noting that trusses are difficult to fireproof.

Hamburger noted that each tower was constructed using a novel tube frame system designed to resist winds of up to 80 miles per hour. But the connections of the tube frame were weak, causing them to break apart and become three-pronged missiles that crashed into the street and into nearby buildings.

Hamburger also discussed the collapse of WTC Building 7, which housed the offices of Con Edison, the FBI and the CIA.

``WTC-7 was a 47-story building and became a two-story pile of rubble,`` Hamburger said, ``making it the first major structure in the United States to collapse because of fire.``

Future designs

He pointed out that fires frequently occur in high-rise buildings and noted that between 1994 and 1998, 30 fires occurred in the United States in buildings that were 50 stories or taller.

``The question is, should fire protection standards be changed in some significant way in the aftermath of Sept. 11,`` Hamburger asked, ``and should structural engineering designs include consideration of fire load and the response of structures? Right now, structural engineers know very little about fire.``

He and his colleagues will attempt to answer those questions when the ASCE report is made public next spring.

Does it make sense to design buildings to withstand such events as Sept. 11 in the future? ``In my opinion, no,`` Hamburger concluded, although he does support the decision implemented after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 to redesign federal buildings to withstand the accidental loss of major structural elements.

The Blume Lecture series honors John A. Blume, often called ``the father of earthquake engineering,`` who earned his undergraduate and doctoral degrees at Stanford. In 1974 he helped underwrite the John A. Blume Earthquake Engineering Center, which promotes earthquake engineering research and education. Today at age 92, Blume remains a consulting professor in Stanford`s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/12/011204072931.htm

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trillian
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posted January 20, 2005 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thread in which we discussed consipiracy theories.
Long ago.

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posted January 20, 2005 09:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Such bad memories

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posted January 21, 2005 06:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The republicans are going to destroy this world.

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posted January 22, 2005 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, I'm glad to see that one of my threads get's revived every now and then!

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The republicans are going to destroy this world.

No, I don't think that they will Atlantic Myst, but what I do think that what is going to end up happening(after the one's that are involved in all of this, the one's that surive that is)is that they're pretty much going to pick up and move on they're planed ventures in the world until they slowly die off and leave this country with a kind of bitterness bewteen both sides against eachother that will last and last for many years to come!

After all of this is over of course.

We now still have another four years to go!

"Happy, happy, joy, joy!"

Weapons used?

The Republicans will continue to use intolerance for the Demorcrats and the Demorcrats will start to use indifference for the Republicans!

Yes, this is sad in both cases, just enough to tear this country apart on so many levels and replace with things that we can only fear in the long run!

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Atlantic Myst
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posted January 23, 2005 02:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I have to see bush's ugly face one more time. I'm gonna punch myself in the face.

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posted January 23, 2005 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here Atlantic Myst let me help you with that.

So AM, bare knuckles or brass?

Two fists are better than one! Think symmetrical

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LibraSparkle
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posted January 23, 2005 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL.. Jdub

That smirky face he makes really gets under my skin. I don't know how Laura Bush puts up with it. If my hubby made that face at me, I just might slap it.

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ozonefiller
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posted January 23, 2005 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya see that Atlantic Myst? Now that's an idea!

Slap George Dubya "Twiggy Miester" Bush instead, don't hurt yourself for the Repuke's satisfaction!

Just think, even one of his loyal subjects is presenting you an invitation, just like a target to hit in order to drop the clown into a pool of water, that you see in a carnival!

And you know that clown is there to insult people's intelligence anyway!


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posted December 19, 2022 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Eleanore:
You know, I've heard that said so many times and I don't understand it. So celebrities shouldn't express their opinions? How about any of the rest of us? We should just not have any opinions because we're not a part of the government?
I'm sorry, politicians and lawmakers don't have degrees in every single subject under the sun, yet they still make policies that affect all the rest of us ... policies and laws that relate to all those other subjects that they are not experts on.
This is a republic, by the people, for the people. If you're going to look down on people for speaking their minds, as in freedom of speech ... a constitutional right, then maybe you belong in a country like Cuba or China where nobody is allowed to express any opinion contrary to the government at all. (Not directed at any one person in particular, just addressing the notion itself.)


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posted December 19, 2022 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Bite your tongue Eleanore. Anyone who's tactic is to grab their crotch and yell "yo momma"

But it's fine for presidential candidates to grab women by the crotch, and brag about it/encourage others to do it, if they have money.

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